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Making stats work for your argument Dan? The only thing you refer to is number of visits but there is no reference made to the duration of those visits.

You may go to Washington DC 20 times in a year and stay one day, whereas I might go 5 times and spend a week to 10 days each time. Which of us has spent more time in DC?

Not only that, Romney has been campaigning in states Huckabee has never set foot in. Huckabee is completely devoted to Iowa and only Iowa, Romney is trying to win every state.

Buy used car from Huck, I would not.

Would you buy a used car from any of them?

Guiliani would tell you he repaired the car himself

Romney would tell you it wasn't really a car...then he'd tell you it was

Thompson wouldn't tell you anything about the car (his wife would do all the talking)

McCain would tell you all about when the car was invented.

Well... on the Dems side we have:

Hillary: who would buy you a crapily-made car using your taxed money at 80% of your income

Obama: who would try to convince you the car has no Islamic baggage in the trunk

Breck Boy: Who would warn you about the erm... sperm deposits located throughtout the upholstery

and for teh winnah:

Algore: who would not only sell you the car, but also tell you he INVENTED the highway it rides on.

Wait, so I'm off base on flip-flops by Thompson in '94 but because Obama went to a school that might have had some slight muslim teachings involved he's got "Islamic Baggage"?

Man, I'm surprised you're not more supportive of Dan's Huckabee rants.

Oh, BTW Gore never said he invented the internet. What he did do was facilitate the growth of the internet by pushing government agencies to create a web presence while he was VP. Clearly he was way off base with that one.

"--- Wait, so I'm off base on flip-flops by Thompson in '94 but because Obama went to a school that might have had some slight muslim teachings involved he's got 'Islamic Baggage'? ---"

Yup. You are. Longer response pending Dan's spam filter not being gimpy.

For starters, please consider that most madrassahs are suffused within and throughout with Islamist doctrines. They are Islamist schools servicing Islamist culture, teaching Islamist memes (such as the supremacy of Islam in both politics and as a faith) and has as one of its principle focuses the learning of the Koran and certain Hadiths.

Ok seek, I've come to expect this kind of hypocrisy from you so it's not like it comes as a surprise.

Now how this all reflect on Obama as a person is probably of small import, but the fact remains that at a young age, he was immersed in Islamic culture, and likely will be very sympathetic to Islamists - much more so than any of his competitors. Thus, Obama must convince us that he is not secretly sympathetic to our Islamist enemies, and until he does so (in my opinion - by taking an oath of loyalty to the United States, and a repudiation of any Islamist beliefs... and if he is indeed a "christian", to do so upon a Holy Bible) he should be considered a potential security risk and not as a viable candidate.

And the irony? Hillary was the one who first appears to have unearth this pig-poop smothered gem. Some of us righties might have just happened to run with it. >> http://dannycarlton.townhall.com/g/960d539c-9f06-4e4d-8767-ed47da8e9d7c

On Huckabee: I don't find myself caring much for the man's politics. That he is a minister and a Christian is fine and all, but his politics are decidedly much further left than I am comfortable with. And, yeah, he is a flipper on some things as well.

On Algore: Let me revise that. Not only did he invent the highway, but he will also sell you a pedal-powered car with a free copy of his book, and, if you call before midnight, he throw in a Global Warming Tinfoil Hat to keep out all those bad thoughts caused by CO2 emissions.

"Operators are standing by".

And yes, Virginia... Algore did create them thar internet tubes. Them hacks over at CERN like Tim Berners-Lee were just the tech guys who connected a few odd pipes together.

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." (Algore, 2000)

On FDT's supposed flip-flop: Go back and answer my question - did Fred ever *vote* for any legislation supporting abortion - specifically, legislation supporting a woman's right to abort fetuses in the first trimester.

Because I don't think that the several Right to Life groups that have endorsed Fred's 100% pro-life record in the Senate (106th and 107th Congresses) would have done so if they found fault or lip-flop.

Just because he answered a glib question that apparently provided no room for an answer outside of either "unrestricted abortions, abortions with parental or spousal consent, and abortions in the first trimester" does not make that PVS report an accurate reflection of his believes thirteen years ago.

And just supposing that he DID feel that way - WAY BACK then, then I'd say he had a change of heart early on, and the evidence is in his voting record.

The FairTax thing I don't consider to be a flip-flop, but a reconsideration and a refinement: in one of the recent debates, I recall Fred talking about a two-tiered structure - where people can either go with a flat-tax type plan where they pay from a 10% sales tax up to a certain income level and 25% beyond that level, OR continue to work with the existing tax code.

I'm greatly simplifying the matter with my summary of Fred's tax plan, so lookie here:

http://www.fred08.com/virtual/taxrelief.aspx

Scroll down to Item #7 of Fred's White Paper and read for yourself.

This is a bit more reasonable and sensible than either Ron Paul or Huckabee's notions to scrap the IRS -- there is way too much infrastructure and market involved with the current tax code for it to suddenly disappear.

The two-tier plan might prove to be an adequate test market for people who may choose to adopt the flat(ter) tax idea, and lead to the market-chosen reduction or obsolescence of the IRS we have come to know and grudgingly acknowledge each April.

Can we start with the fact that the school he went to wasn't a Madrassa to start with?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Let's see that Gore quote in it's full context.

Going from supporting 1st trimester abortion to not supporting it at all isn't a flip-flop?

Then what the heck is...

Oh please. Give us a small break... in that video and CNN piece, they are obviously practicing al-taqqiya (Islamic deception) to get sheep like you to think it some tidy little liberal NEA-endorsed school that just happened to be primarily Islamic.

It may now be operated as an Indonesian state school, but don't fail to remember that Islam is the state religion of Indonesia. Unlike our great nation, there is no great effort to remove the mention of Deity from public schools. In fact, most schools are rather expected to mix Islam into everything.

"--- Going from supporting 1st trimester abortion to not supporting it at all isn't a flip-flop? ---"

Explain to me how a single questionnaire he filled out for Project Vote Smart in 1994 equates to his being a fetus killer, when his voting record for over seven years - the thing he is to be judged by - suggests otherwise?

I spent at least two hours scouring over www.thomas.gov looking for any bill connected to abortions and other family issues Fred was connected to - nothing I turned up suggested that Fred was ever a pro-abortion supporter.

Perhaps I missed something - can you name me chapter and verse which bills or resolutions Fred actually voted for first-trimester abortions?

Thanks!

And another thing about Barry "Hussein" Obama:

Why didn't he properly salute the flag when the national anthem was played like every other red-blooded American son and daughter?

Or is not the man who would be president unwilling to show the proper example of respect for our national symbols?

Actually I don't sulute the flag during the anthem either...I take off my hat (if I'm wearing one) and put my hand over my heart but I don't salute. I leave that to the military.

And why the quotes around "Hussein" to draw attention? I do know his middle name, and unlike you I'm not so narrow minded as to think it makes one shred of a bit of difference.

"--- Actually I don't sulute the flag during the anthem either...I take off my hat (if I'm wearing one) and put my hand over my heart but I don't salute. I leave that to the military. ---"

News Flash: All of the above acts are considered a "salute". At least you have the common decency as an American to render the appropriate salute, which is more than can be said for one of your heroes, Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, failed to do.

This failure to observe even the most basic display of affiliation with the United States, as a United States Senator and a person seeking to be elected to the highest executive office in that same nation, should call everyone to question his patriotism, if not his qualification to be POTUS.

Image here:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/images/salute.jpg

US Code, Title 4 Sec. 9 on proper respect for the US Flag:


"---------------
TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES

CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG

Sec. 9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag

During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the
flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present except
those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention with the
right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform should render the
military salute. When not in uniform, men should remove their headdress
with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being
over the heart. Aliens should stand at attention. The salute to the flag
in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
----------------"

And the name might not make much difference to you... now.

But once he is elected, mark my words, the accomodations to the Islamists and the Caliphate won't be very far behind.

Some nutball Jesus freaks have way too much time on their hands.

Ok Seek, just where did I claim him to be one of my heroes?

I think you need to start wearing your tinfoil hat again, they're coming for you.

"--- Some nutball Jesus freaks have way too much time on their hands. ---"

As do some freaky far left loonies who tremble at the mere mention of the Name of Jesus, for fear that the "Jesus Cooties" might rub off on them.

"--- Ok Seek, just where did I claim him to be one of my heroes? I think you need to start wearing your tinfoil hat again, they're coming for you. ---"

I'll pass on the tinfoil hat. That's reserved for Ronulans and socialist fringe Dhimmicrats.

As for Obama being one of yer heroes - that was a wild guess. But then again, you probably have a thing for Frau Hillary. At least we know that with her we will have four to eight years of the same old chicanery and wickedness we had with Billy-bob.

Obama adds in that big unknown of his hidden Islamism (or at the very least, his sympathy for them) and a hatred for the sovereignty of the United States in favour of something else.

Whoso does not salute the flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance is (in my eyes at least) someone who shouldn't even be let onto the Senate floor, much less the Oval Office.
But I could be wrong.

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