Natalee Holloway Search To Be Resumed

Not sure what to make of this, Father of Natalee Holloway, Dave Holloway, intends to resume the search for Natalee's remains by concentrating on deeper water. This on the heels of the re-arrests of the three primary suspects. Also, Joran Van Der Sloot should be in Aruba within days, a judge has approved his transport.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - The father of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway will relaunch a search for evidence of her remains in waters off Aruba, he said Thursday after police re-arrested three suspects in her 2005 disappearance.

While authorities searched the sea to depths of 330 feet, Dave Holloway told The Associated Press that he believes his 18-year-old daughter was thrown into deeper waters - a belief based on talks with a police official and a private forensic expert.

Holloway said a private boat owner is providing divers, sonar equipment and the ability to map the ocean floor.

"It's like this: we've searched all the land areas ... It's common knowledge on the island that if someone were to dispose of the body, it would be out in the ocean," he said by telephone

Holloway said he would alert police on the Dutch Caribbean island if anything is found.

Comments

[Yoda]

"It's like this: we've searched all the land areas ... It's common knowledge on the island that if someone were to dispose of the body, it would be out in the ocean,"

193 kilometers square Aruba is. Search that all, they did not.

[Darth Vader]

Luke, I warn you -- Bill O'Reilly is the Dark Side and He will poison You with perpetual Missing Blonde Tabloid pap.

[seekeronos]

Bill Adkins strikes again.

Dontcha know that cute young blondes gone missing = permanent media coverage?

[Rob]

Joran his phone was tapped for the last seven months.
He disccussed the disapearance with friends.

[Princess D]

Realize Aruba law does not allow what transpires in courtroom to be made public (always some leaks though!). However, that will not deter the media frenzy that is sure to follow this. Lots of "Breaking News";nothing to report! Dan, is scubajap still around?...she always provided great info.

Alabama Mom, Maria, Bigfish, Pathenry, JR (he may have been banned?),greeneyedlady, any legal eagles and all the rest of the old NH gang.....COME OUT, COME OUT...WHEREVER YOU ARE, PLEASE?????

[Princess D]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh dugo and iquitos....are you out there toooooooooooooo????????????? counted on your great info also!

[Until She Comes Home !]

The answers are out there somewhere.

[sand dollar]

From what I've heard to this point, the aruban fix is still in. the alleged charge is 'voluntary manslaughter.' what a bunch of......garbage!

[Lisa]

Hey, hope there will finally be some resolution.

[Erik]

Each side involved in this needs it to be over with no more questions outside of those which just cannot be answered. I hope they all get "closure"... although I dislike that word.

[dumbblonde]

For the sake of this young woman's family, I hope they can find her. There is nothing worse than the disappearance of a loved one. My younger brother went missing years ago. I knew in my heart that he was dead (and he was), but my greatest fear was that we would never find him. We did, after several days. They were the longest and most horrible days of my life. Hard as it may be to believe, the horrible grief I've suffered because of the death of my brother was nothing compared to the days spent not knowing where he was or what had happened to him. I can't imagine being in the position of Ms. Holloway's parents - still not knowing, after all this time.

And for all those out there who sneer at our interest in and concern for Ms. Holloway and her family - have a heart, for crying out loud. If you consider the story beneath you, ignore it.

[DANEgerus]

After watching Van Der Sloot's sneeringly arrogant TV interviews I have one word in response.

Waterboarding.

[Miss Mouse]

It is not because a blond has gone missing that there is so much media, it is because of a mother and father that care and won't give up until there is closure.
I'm sick of stupid people and that blond crap.
I don't think Natalee overdosed on Cocaine because if that were the case they would have come out and said that.
They are hiding something with all their lies and changing stories.

[Princess D]

Natalee's family and their friends were on the island within 24 hrs.(less than that), once all realized she was missing; don't recall the timeframe, but they were at the Vandersloot's house and had the Kalpoes' names within hours.....not a coincidence to have obtained that info WITHOUT the help of police initially. If Daddy Vandersloot was not "connected" in numerous ways....Natalee's unfortunate fate would have been known long ago, IMHO.

I am just as sick as Miss Mouse of the characterization of Natalee's disappearance...if one is not interested in the subject please just shut up and disregard the story. Anyone who has a family member Natalee's age, and would have to go thru the hell of her disappearance, or has a heart and compassion, would be sickened by the entire scenario, (read that as political coverup and botched investigation).

The family has been thru hell...my sincere sympathies, dumbblonde.....which I am sure you are NOT...I don't know how anyone can endure what you and the Holloway's have been through.

[JW]

It's coming maybe sooner than later but we will have more answers or I should say lies. I think Aruba wants the tourist back and want this taken care of more than most people think.

[beenherebefore@yahoo.com]

Back in the ol'NH days on this site, there were a lot misrable apologists for the Joren and gang.. Hopefully the three pigs will get their justice and we can laugh all the nay sayers..

[sand dollar]

As per the latest 'breaking' news; the kalpoe brothers 'may' be held for eight (8) days because of 'new' evidence, that 'may be flawed' per the 'judge' from curacao who was flown in to 'handle,' the hearing. We've been down this road before. Again, the most serious 'charge' the 'authorities' are concerned about is...voluntary manslaughter. We're going to hear again that whatever happened to Natalee Holloway was her fault...just ask julia renfro of aruba today.

[DennisAOK]

If the Americans find the body before the Arubans break the case, the island will look even worse. Hence, he arrests. I'm betting the phone conversations are incriminating and at least one of the boys talks, or the boatman (Croes?) comes clean. If not, it will take the body being found to nail the Eurotrash van der Sloots and their American apologists.

[Hydrangea]

Hate to say "here we go again". Let's hope that they actually have something on the boys that sticks. It's interesting that Dave is heading back out to the deep waters to search again. I wonder how this ties into the latest arrest, what was improperly analyzed, what was uncovered in the phone records. Still, there are so many questions.

[bec717]

Let's hope the case is solved~ Aruba sure could use a great influx of tourism dollars since this case has slowed down the industry (even though it was stated many time over when this hit it would not!)

[tj]

Tourist season must be here, it's arrest time for big head Joran and the infamous Kalpoe Bros.

[seekeronos]

I've nothing at all agaisnt the police or other authorities putting paid to this case, if not locating NH alive.

My point in poking this particular hornet's nest is this:

If it were a "Shaneequa Coleman" or a "Lupe Martinez" or an "Ahn Lo Sung"... would the NH fanfolks here have as much concern as they do for Ms. Holloway?

...

I'd like to think that y'all would give as much concern for missing black, Latina, or Asian girl as there is for the rich young white girl.

Can you HONESTLY say that you would?

But I think y'all will be hard pressed to convince yourselves (much less anyone else, in all honesty) that there wouldn't be 10% of the media coverage, and much less public concern.

This is all I'll say about this, since I reckon that the real hardcore NH fans who reputedly catapulted this blog to worldwide fame and recognition will only get more infuriated if I've inadvertently bumped into a sacred cow.

[Lexy]

Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 12:29 PM
Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 02:23 AM
Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 02:40 AM
Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 06:15 PM
Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 06:42 PM

LOL, I think you need to read up on how to get your point across effectively....good luck! :>)

[Cloggy]

An arrest is not such a big deal, just a way to hold them for the first 8 days for questioning. This 'new' information will turn out to be some phone records or so. This case is history by December 31 !

[dumbblonde]

"I'd like to think that y'all would give as much concern for missing black, Latina, or Asian girl as there is for the rich young white girl.

Can you HONESTLY say that you would?"

Yes, seek, I can HONESTLY say that each and every time I hear of anyone missing - male or female, adult or child, white or otherwise, my heart HONESTLY breaks for the family.

I'm disappointed that anyone would want to make this into a race issue. I'm especially disappointed that someone as given to preaching and scripture quoting as you are seems unable to put your heart where your Bible is.

[Princess D]

Julia Renfro's opinions, information, etc...were always overidden by accurate info provided by scubajap here.

Regarding making this a race issue????? PLEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE....color me stupid, but a case such as this would be followed whatever Natalee's race....a teenager missing for years even if she was purple would be an equal travesty of justice; the affluence and political connections of one of the suspects....Urine, ooooops, Joran, is WHITE also. I also recall a case involving a Latino family....does Menendez ring a bell???????? Jose Menendez was murdered, but of course some will claim the only interest was due to his blonde wife Kitty......you want to make an argument for affluence instead???? OJ Simpson ring a bell???? ohhhhhhhh, right his brutally murdered wife was a blonde.....that was the ONLY reason people followed that trial. I DON'T THINK SO..... RACE IS AN IRRELEVANT ARGUMENT, you'd have a better chance at using the argument of affluent, monied families....JMO...neither applies!

[seekeronos]

"--- Yes, seek, I can HONESTLY say that each and every time I hear of anyone missing - male or female, adult or child, white or otherwise, my heart HONESTLY breaks for the family. ---"

I'm glad and heartened to hear that from you, DB.

As I said earlier upthread, or elsewhere on a few of the NH threads that have popped up recently... yes, I would like for closure to come to this case, and for Ms. Holloway's family to be at peace, and should a preponderance of evidence and testimony provide proof of guilt for the accused young men, then for justice to be delivered unto them as well.

However, the MEDIA attention to this case (well over two years running) and others like it point to the fact that we (as a society) have much more interest in the fates of those unfortunate affluent, young, white, and likely shapely young women who have gone missing than any of the following (who by comparison, generate a 15-minute blip in the news by comparison) :

(1) Males of any race, wealth, or physical condition (unless they are Republican politicians tomcatting around with hookers or call boys)

(2) Women of any race except Euro-caucasian (possible exceptions made for women of colour who approach Tyra Banks in good looks)

(3) Overweight women of any age with mousy looks and bland hair.

These three (minus noted exceptions) won't rate anything near the focus and minute-by-minute round the clock coverage that the ideal MWW is guaranteed.

This is not an indictment of anyone specifically, but rather a question: if people do not account for race, good looks, or financial status in how they tend to look at people, then why do we not have much more massive and exhaustive coverage of the un-pretty people as well?

If I'm mistaken, please advise me. But I'm really hard pressed to think of any *unsolved* cases of non-white or un-pretty missing folks who get anything approaching the airtime of a JonBenet Ramsey, or a Natalee Holloway, or a Taylor Behl.

Princess D:

With all due respect, it seems that you are conflating the actions of the aggressors (Menendez, OJ Simpson, Joran) and their respective races (Latino, Black, White) into a discussion concerning media coverage of missing young white women.

I am not correlating the race, social status or other identifying characteristic of the aggressors - I think that this is indeed irrelevant and immaterial to the amount of coverage afforded to the (MWW) victim.

[Princess D]

seekeronos: absolutely agree with your clarification of my comments; the only (non-white) Latino that was a victim was Jose Menendez who was murdered by his children in Beverly Hills; OJ was a "celebrity" prior to the crime...thus the media circus. I intended to focus on the fact that any teenager's disappearance under the circumstances on the island of Aruba, would command media coverage; I tend to believe the affluence of the families in the cases I mentioned was more relevant. The only case I can recall (and I don't believe it was a murder) that involved a "non-caucasion" victim was Tawana Brawley, which resulted in being a hoax that commanded an inordinate amount of media coverage. I stand corrected, you are right! I believe we can safely say we would not even know Natalee's name 2 years after the crime, had she not been an affluent (won't concede on that issue) white girl, unless she was a wealthy, gorgeous girl of any race, who's family would move heaven and earth on the airwaves to not let the disappearance of their daughter be forgotten. thank you for correction of my commentary...

[JW]

need to find the body for trial or they wouldn't be looking again.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Prosecutor Hans Mos is confident of a conviction of J2K
even without Natalee's body.

[Truthseeker]

Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty as hell. You know it, I know it, he knows it.

Yeah, waterboarding would be just fine.

[greeneyedlady]

Alabama Mom, Maria, Bigfish, Pathenry, JR (he may have been banned?),greeneyedlady, any legal eagles and all the rest of the old NH gang.....COME OUT, COME OUT...WHEREVER YOU ARE, PLEASE?????

Posted by: Princess D | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 09:58 AM
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Hi Princess D, don't remember you, did you go by another nic? Most of these posters have moved on to other forums like SM, BFN and RU. I still post at Dan's NH test blog along with a few other posters. I also post at other forums too.
This is good news about the 3 being re-arrested, just hope now after all this time we can get some answers as to what really happened to Natalee. This new prosecutor sounds committed to finding the truth, at least that's my opinion of him. I hope I'm not wrong.

[Princess D]

Hi greeneyedlady! I hope you are well, sooooooo good to see you again! yes, I did use another name, but can't use it anymore....someone else was using it, and as usually goes on these blogs, relationships develop and then turn ugly...blah, blah, blah;(of course it was all my fault)! anyway where is Dan's NH test blog??? Like to see some of the others....and I agree, although I have been naive in the past regarding the 3 suspects, I believe, and truly hope they get to the truth with the help of this new prosecutor....fingers crossed, and hope Natalee's family will finally experience the peace and obtain the answers to her sad disappearance. Nice to see you and thank you for reply....(still have the Tennessee walker?????).

[greeneyedlady]

I think I know who you were Princess D...lol..yes I still have my horse. The link below will take you to the test blog, not a whole lot going on over there right now tho. We need some more posters, hope you join in.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2007/11/123.html

[iwabwu]

News, from Debbie at BFN -

The Line Up - Fox News - Sunday, Nov. 25, 2007
Time: 10:00 PM Eastern
Replay: 12:00 Midnight Eastern

On The Record - Fox News - Mon., Nov. 26th

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I just heard on Fox News to watch Greta Monday night... she will be live from Aruba.

Time: 10:00 PM Eastern
Replay: 1:00 AM Eastern
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Other forums -

www.blogsfornatalee.com/forum (must register to read and participate)
www.scaredmonkeys.com (front page, many articles, links, youtubes)
www.scaredmonkeys.net (forum, may read without registering)

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/ a blog supporting Natalee

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html loads of info

[iwabwu]

I'd like to think that y'all would give as much concern for missing black, Latina, or Asian girl as there is for the rich young white girl.

Can you HONESTLY say that you would?

But I think y'all will be hard pressed to convince yourselves (much less anyone else, in all honesty) that there wouldn't be 10% of the media coverage, and much less public concern.

This is all I'll say about this, since I reckon that the real hardcore NH fans who reputedly catapulted this blog to worldwide fame and recognition will only get more infuriated if I've inadvertently bumped into a sacred cow.

Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, November 23, 2007 at 06:15 PM

seekeronos,

I don't follow many missing persons cases, I never have. Sometimes, it's just too sad to contemplate all the misery in this world. There are thousands of missing people worldwide. Some are probably in mass graves, some are probably lost along the side of the road, I just don't know.

I wonder how many involve suspects that are the offspring of the rich and those with political connections. I'm not sure how many have investigations that people decribe with words such as "conflict of interest" or "cover-up". I wonder how many people search crack houses and garbage dumps for their missing children.

Sometimes, the horror of circumstances, while families are looking for their missing offspring is overwhelming. This is why I believe Natalee Holloway has been in the news for so long. Unlike many, she wasn't a two night story on FOX.

There are many people on the FBI's list, and many people on lists all over the internet.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm

I've never followed a missing person's case before Natalee Holloway. Her case has put a 'name and face' to the thousands of people that go missing every year. Sometimes, all it takes is a wake up call and coffee. JMHO

[suzyqueue]

I thought Dan might have something posted about what's going on. Wow - 2 and a half years!! I wonder if this will lead anywhere? I would certainly like to hope so, but it's tough to be optimistic. Maybe this time.

GEL - I remember you talking about your horse on the OT!!

[SouthernBelle]

We have all definitely come full circle. I feel like I am at a family reunion. :)

I sure hope they actually have something 'this time'........ hate to see them with egg on their face again.

[Princess D]

greeneyedlady...thank you for the link, but typepad won't let me post! damn! sent email to Dan...as if he doesn't have enough to do! anyway, happy to hear you still have your horse....I am interested to see what happens tomorrow with Joran in court.....at least I can access posting here! good to see iwabu, SouthernBelle, and the rest of the old gang....those were the good old days! thanks again!

[Princess D]

Good morning all.....full circle! excellent characterization Miss SouthernBelle!!! Forgive me, but I want those "badboys" to fry! There is definately enough evidence if we could get past the politics and Daddy Van der Sloot. I am thinking that Deepak went back to beach where Joran left Natalee, making Joran an accessory (recall he called Deepak to come pick him up, and Deepak refused); just one of many theories...guess we will see!!!!!!!!!!

[Dax]

Santa Dax checkin' in. A big Hidy Hi to all, be you North, East, West, and ... um ... yes ... even South!

Looks like the Xmas Van der Goose might finally be cooked. I only hope it isn't the same lame Aruban keystone cops working their magic again.

Toodles

[Princess D]

HAHAHAHHA...greeneyedlady, typekey won't let me post again at test sight....ughhhhhhhhh....hope you see this....going to try again at test blog...

Hi PrincessD, see you made it over here. You said on Dan's front page that you had been naive about J2K before..what did you mean, if you don't mind my asking?

Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, November 26, 2007 at 01:51 PM

Not at all....I tend to be focused on the law (Aruban Law specifically) and am naive in that I believe justice will prevail, regardless of political connections, lying, cover ups, etc. I always hope the "truth' will come out, good outweighs bad, people have consciences (a confession perhaps??? sure that would happen! NOT)...that was what I meant. I did not intend to imply that I believed J2K were innocent...NO WAY!

[PrincessD]

signed out and back in again at other test link you provided me greeneyedlady.....it worked!!!!

[Hydrangea]

Glad to see some of the old regulars! Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to get some news. Thought I'd post this link to MSNBC. Watch the video that's in the article to the end. They quote the transcript of the conversation that was secretly taped when they left the 3 "boys" in the cruiser together when they were arrested in the beginning. To those that think that the 3 should be left alone...listen and tell me they aren't guilty of taking part in Natalee's disappearance.

[Hydrangea]

oops the link...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21974871

[PrincessD]

Hi Hydrangea! I saw the video you are referring to...it is awfully hard to dispute the guilt of these 3 stooges...I hate to be vindictive, but nothing would make me happier than if Daddy Paulus was included....as an officer of the court, he is held to a higher standard and was required to cooperate, instead he exacerbated a cover up! Hell, they didn't even search VdS's yard!

[Hydrangea]

Yes Papa Sloot, is at the very least guilty of being non-cooperative and coaching J2K. I wish I understood more about the legal system in Aruba. The constant changing of their stories is indicitve of their involvement.

[Hydrangea]

meant indicative ... my typing is rusty!!

[Hydrangea]

bbl

[rwilymz]

"There is definately enough evidence if we could get past the politics and Daddy Van der Sloot."

Yeah? Such as?

Ironclad innuendo and open/shut supposition?

There's no physical evidence of anything. There's inconsistent statements which are admittedly suspicious, but then anyone who's in a position of having to explain why he was trying to get into the knickers of a chick who's now missing is going to be flummoxed even if she turns up the next day with a really bad hangover and reeking of rum-vomit.

These kids -- and I'm going to have to include Little Miss American Girl in this as well -- are equally guilty of being stupid teenagers. That's all that the **evidence** points at.

While it *may* be that foul play entered the equation at some point, there's just as much evidence that she was kidnapped and sold into white slavery and is now in some Aden whorehouse as there is that she's dead and her bones are bleaching themselves in the Caribbean sun.

For all the talk of the politics of Pater Van Der Sloot guiding the puppet strings here, my better -- and more cynical -- self strongly suggests that the opposite politics is granting another hearing to pacify the ten-second-attention-spans of us American ijjits.

Mommy had her legal 15-minutes; now it's Daddy's turn.
And we fall in line asserting how "concerned" a parent they both are after allowing a virtual child go galavanting around the world on their own.