Update On Goose Creek Indictments

Michelle Malkin has a new round up on the Goose Creek indictments. A couple of interesting items from my reading around. The two may soon be transferred to a Navy brig and a remote controlled motorboat was seized in one of the raids. Quite possibly it was just a toy bought for a younger brother, unfortunately, even innocent items can raise questions in this type of investigation.

Adding to their anxiety was a quote in the Charleston newspaper Saturday from the local sheriff, predicting Megahed and fellow student Ahmed Mohamed soon will be moved from this jail in Berkeley County to the brig on the nearby Naval complex. The Megaheds know the brig is used to hold prisoners the president has deemed "enemy combatants."

Samir Megahed said he told the FBI to go in his house "and look around, and if you find something, take it." He said FBI agents seized a $19 remote-control boat Youssef bought at Wal-Mart for his younger brother, Yassien.

See Michelle for more.

Comments

[nowingker]

Our government in action. Keeping Americans safe from Wal Mart toy boats. What a travesty this case has become. The government can't admit its mistake, so just keeps on with the pressure, trying to find some kernel of information they can spin into a terrorist plot.

This story makes me ashamed to be an American.

[Fred Beloit]

nowingker writes: "This story makes me ashamed to be an American."

They'll be coming to get you next, right detective nowingker? But I don't believe this story is the one that made you ashamed of being an American. I bet you have been ashamed of being an American for a long time. Personally, I'm ashamed Alec Baldwin, S. Penn, and J. Fonda are Americans. The list is longer, but there is so little time.

[nowingker]

Yeah, I've been ashamed to be an American since Bush was re-elected and I found out about half of my fellow countrymen were dumb as a box of rocks and mean spirited to boot, you're right.

[Richard]

Good lord, "nowingker," that just might be the most asinine, ridiculous leap of mis-logic I've ever seen. You've gone from the seizure of a remote-controlled toy boat in a possible terrorist case to being ashamed of being an American? Why not give "our" government a tiny bit of faith here, at least until they check out all the possible facts in the case. One of the "students" has a past linked to terrorism in his own country, and is said to have produced an Internet video showing how to build a remote-controlled car bomb, and is alleged to have exchanged information over the Internet about how to miniaturize bombs.

Gee, "nowingker," if the government didn't check this stuff out, given the background, you'd likely be the first idiot to jump up and want to sue your government for not protecting you.

[nowingker]

PS, I absolutely believe given the enviroment Bush has generated and the fear mongering and muslim hate that has been generated that IF the Administration startech marching muslims into concentration camps and then ovens, you would barely hear a blip of concern.

Everyone is too afraid of being wrong, 'what if' they are terrorists even though there isn't any evidence, they're "all" against us anyway...

Exactly what Hitler said about the Jews. You wingers would be lining up to flip the switch on the ovens if given a chance. Cause you know, they're not like 'us'...they're all animals, barely human, all participating in a global conspiracy to demean our country and they have to be eradicated. Right?

[nowingker]

Richard,

There isn't anything in the indictment that references the Internet rumor you speak of, don't you think if the Feds had evidence this guy made a video on how to miniaturize bombs they would have charged him under an actual terrorist statute and not some weird 'under federal laws this constitutes a violent act' or whatever the language was?

If the guy made a video about how to build a car bomb or how to miniaturize bombs unless it was for a school project, then he's right where he belongs. But, there isn't any evidence this rumor is true, it isn't even HINTED at in the Federal indictment, nor is any other terrorist plot, jihad literature or anything but the bare bones of transporting explosive material [not even an explosive DEVICE] without a permit.

This case makes me sick.

[chris]

Walmart HATES OUR FREEDOM. They are arming the terrurrists with remote-controlled boats and Transformer action heros! George Bush has bravely sent our troops to defend us against these EVIL terrur devices and Walmart just SELLS them to any Tom, Dick or Ahmed that walks in their stores!

[Richard]

Two interesting links regarding the issues of the video and remote controlled bombs:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3547942&page=1
http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/426

It's not in the brief indictment. However, I live in Tampa, graduated from USF, know folks in the "community," and suggest that there's likely more to come. All could still be just a "terrible misunderstanding," but if I were a betting man ......

There's a lot of "coincidence" here ...

[Fred Beloit]

Just when I think there may be a spark of rationality in this personage, I read this:

"PS, I absolutely believe given the enviroment Bush has generated and the fear mongering and muslim hate that has been generated that IF the Administration startech marching muslims into concentration camps and then ovens, you would barely hear a blip of concern."

Well, sparks are notoriously short-lived.

[nowingker]

I read the indictment as a bare bones technical violation of the law. The Feds had a month to come up with terrorist ties and none are forthcoming.

Where you see 'coincidence' I see a small, insular ethnic community that is bound to have a lot of cross over ties. I'm sure if you looked at the realtor that sold me my house and anyone he ever sold a house to, you could find a criminal or two, does that mean I'm part of a criminal conspiracy?

I see connecting dots that don't connect, more like the Seattle surgeon who was accused of being the Madrid bomber even though he'd never been to Spain, they weren't his fingerprints and the "Spanish documents" referred to were his children's spanish homework. Same way the 'airport blueprints' were suspicious until it was found the person worked for the airport and had them as part of his job.

I so far don't see anything that makes me believe this is a terrorist case and I felt the family's terror and panic jumped off the page. They started out absolutely believing in the American justice system, that their son would be exonerated, now, a month later, they see all the power of the government being brought to bear to get him to confess to a terrorist plot and they know the truth is no longer relevant, that the gov. isn't giong to give up their son, which is why they turned to the Egyptian authorities for help.

What a nice testament to our form of government, that a law abiding immigrant family who started out believing in the system ends up turning to a third world dicatorship for help because in a single month the father has lost faith in America.

[nowingker]

Fred,

I was talking about you. You would flip the switch on a roomfull of muslims in a heartbeat. Women and children, you wouldn't care. Proof of guilt, you already 'know' they are guilty and your enemy just by their religion and ethnicity. You would be doing the hard job for the homeland.

You and Bob would be the first to volunteer to rid the country of these 'vermin' by lining them up against a wall and shooting them in the head.

[Fred Beloit]

You really don't know anything about me that would entitle you to come to the conclusion that I could kill someone because of their religion, detective nowingker. BTW to which Bob are you referring?

But quick, the world needs your detective expertise elsewhere where young Muslim men, clearly innocent kids, are being railroaded. No time to waste. Bon voyage.

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[charles]

winkie, you're a pip

it's also quite obvious you have never been involved with a criminal court case, especially federal

what are you ever going to do with all your pent up emotion after the next election?

[bloodrage bob]

we're ashamed you're american, TOO, nowinkie. if in fact you are. why is it again that you so rabidly & reflexively defend *every* arab accused of doing *anything* wrong *ever*? you never HAVE gotten around to telling us that story. much less commenting on the current arab "rape wave" going on in each and every european country that's stupidly allowed arabs to immigrate. (google 'malmo, sweden', and 'rapes' sometime.) i wonder why?

death to islam!

[Fred Beloit]

Let's see. This incident was in Denmark. Oh that devilish President of ours (I can still smell the sulphur), "...the enviroment Bush has generated and the fear mongering and muslim hate that has been generated..." But how could Bush infect Denmark? No matter. Rationality has nothing to do with BDS.

[Fred Beloit]

BB, hope you haven't killed too many people because of their religion today.

[nowingker]

You would be right there along with Fred, slobbering all over yourself to kill some muslims.

I do not defend "every" Arab accused of 'anything" I have posted on THIS blog that Europe made a huge mistake by letting in some many arab and African immigrants and then not bothering to try and assimillate them and have posted that THIS group is a huge reason for the rising crime rate.

I am well aware of arab men in western countries who think its okay to rape Western women because they're all sluts, which is why I've also always said that Islam is crap as a religion, just like Christianity and Judaism, they're all versions of the same mindset.

[Fred Beloit]

Nowingker is saying really nasty things about me out of ignorance and spite. I wonder if any of it is "actionable"?

[Fred Beloit]

Nah. She'd get off on an insanity plea anyway so I'd be wasting my time.

[bloodrage bob]

typical nowinkie. sound; fury; no significance.

"i don't not defend each & every arab/muslim ..." well, you certainly do on THIS blog. go back to any post relating to an arab caught/suspected of no good. you're there in pretty much every comments, defending them; scorning the charges brought against them; blaming it all on the close-minded rightwingers full of hatred, blah blah blah.

why is that? since you "blame arabs/islam" for the european crime wave; since you "blame arabs/islam for being brutal woman-beaters *as a part of their tawdry little 'culture'*; since you agree that "islam is a crapola religion" .... why then do you post horseshit like "this makes me ashamed to be an american" after EVERY 'bad haji' post? no speeches! just *answer the frickin' question*!

[nowingker]

Tell me, Bob, which arabs that I have defended ever went to trial or got convicted?

The arabs with cell phones? Nope.
The pregnant arab mom with the 'explosive water bottle? Nope.
The flying imams? Nope.
The VTech 'muslim' shooter? Nope, not a muslim or an arab.

So WHICH cases where I have said the accused are innocent have they been shown to be guilty?

Oh yeah, that would be ZERO CASES, wouldn't it?

[nowingker]

Nowingker is saying really nasty things about me out of ignorance and spite. I wonder if any of it is "actionable"?
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Um, no Fred, rendering an opinion on what you would do in a hypoethical future situation is not 'actionable' LOL.

But, if I was to get serious, I believe me being called a member of Al Quaeda and a terrorist IS ACTIONABLE, because it is an actual accusation of criminal wrongdoing. Get it?

[charles]

"The flying imams? Nope."

You defended the flying imams? Dope.

[seekeronos]

Nah, Fred... you've just caught WonderWings there in a rare moment of Type V Bush Derangement Syndrome, which is characterized by selecting random folks who _may_ support some of Bush's past actions who frequent center-right blog commenting sections and accusing them of having genocidal tendencies.

I mean, I near spit up my coffee when I read his wee little outburst about you and BB lining up to sign up for Official Oven Operators at the new Muslim Death Camps™ we're building.

For NoWings:

Methinks you've crossed over into true nutterdom with that line, man.

There is a sizeable minority of us Americans who might be happy to see the more virulent, jihad-minded Muslims deported out of the USA, much less restricted from movements in country.

But ethnic cleansing is an abominable crime, and goes against the grain of all that is American.

As for you, I bet you are one of those milquetoasts who, when traveling abroad, lies to everyone in earshot on the airplane about how you're really a Canadian national, or some other such apologistic, weak-kneed poppycock.

And I must rebut your atheistic argument that Christianity = Islam = Judaism.

Simply put, there is no comparison, even if they both claim an inheritance (one in truth, the other in pretense) of the patriarch Abraham.

Islam is a religion of compulsion, of violence, and hate, that sends tiny children to die as suicide bombers to cut down swaths of innocent bystanders.

Christianity is a belief in Christ which causes the believer to be renewed from his ordinarily, nasty, sinful life to live anew to serve God, and bring other men (and women) to the saving knowledge of Christ. It is founded upon selfless LOVE, and imitates the love which Christ had for us.

What has obviously confused you is the abundance of folks who SAY that they are Christians, but whose ACTIONS may either bring doubt or cast shame upon the Cross of Christ.

Perhaps you should read Robert B. Spencer's latest book, "Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't" to get a better grasp of the vast differences between the underpinnings of Islam, and those things which motivate the followers of Christ.

Link: >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596985151/002-4986521-7864813?ie=UTF8&tag=robertspencer-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=1596985151

[seekeronos]

Also, I don't think that NoWings has defamed anyone's character... yet.

But saying things like:

"--- You would be right there along with Fred, slobbering all over yourself to kill some muslims. ---"

...indicates that he isn't too far away truly going around the bend and making a slanderous or defamatory remark.

[nowingker]

No, Seek, but I do try to explain to those in foreign countries that not everyone supports Bush and that a good portion of Americans see him for the moronic freak that he is and agree w/them that he's destroying the country:)

I stand by my statement about right wingers. The Nazi's didn't start off killing people, let alone women and children, it took them years to work up to it, and even then they kept it as secret as possible.

What you advocate would be the beginning, get rid of the 'radical' muslims or restrict their movement. Isn't that among the first things the Germans did? They identified the jews, started restricting what they could do/own/etc. WHO is going to decide that a given muslim is a right wing jihadist? Oh yeah, the government in a secret session. Once you start targeting and restricting people's rights based only on their religion or ethnicity, the road to the holocaust oven is frighteningly short.

I absolutely believe that many posters on this board and other winger boards would easily be led to conclude that 'extermination' was the only viable solution. Some, more than others. Some would be happy and eager to do the killing, others, like yourself, just wouldn't want to know the details, you would be satified in believing that 'whatever' the gov. did must be necessary and right.

I'm not getting into a religious discussion, "Islam" sending children to become suicide bombers is about as accurate as "Christianity" demanding the faithful kill abortion doctors. Equally false.

[nowingker]

No, Seek, but I do try to explain to those in foreign countries that not everyone supports Bush and that a good portion of Americans see him for the moronic freak that he is and agree w/them that he's destroying the country:)

I stand by my statement about right wingers. The Nazi's didn't start off killing people, let alone women and children, it took them years to work up to it, and even then they kept it as secret as possible.

What you advocate would be the beginning, get rid of the 'radical' muslims or restrict their movement. Isn't that among the first things the Germans did? They identified the jews, started restricting what they could do/own/etc. WHO is going to decide that a given muslim is a right wing jihadist? Oh yeah, the government in a secret session. Once you start targeting and restricting people's rights based only on their religion or ethnicity, the road to the holocaust oven is frighteningly short.

I absolutely believe that many posters on this board and other winger boards would easily be led to conclude that 'extermination' was the only viable solution. Some, more than others. Some would be happy and eager to do the killing, others, like yourself, just wouldn't want to know the details, you would be satified in believing that 'whatever' the gov. did must be necessary and right.

I'm not getting into a religious discussion, "Islam" sending children to become suicide bombers is about as accurate as "Christianity" demanding the faithful kill abortion doctors. Equally false.

[nowingker]

No, Seek, but I do try to explain to those in foreign countries that not everyone supports Bush and that a good portion of Americans see him for the moronic freak that he is and agree w/them that he's destroying the country:)

I stand by my statement about right wingers. The Nazi's didn't start off killing people, let alone women and children, it took them years to work up to it, and even then they kept it as secret as possible.

What you advocate would be the beginning, get rid of the 'radical' muslims or restrict their movement. Isn't that among the first things the Germans did? They identified the jews, started restricting what they could do/own/etc. WHO is going to decide that a given muslim is a right wing jihadist? Oh yeah, the government in a secret session. Once you start targeting and restricting people's rights based only on their religion or ethnicity, the road to the holocaust oven is frighteningly short.

I absolutely believe that many posters on this board and other winger boards would easily be led to conclude that 'extermination' was the only viable solution. Some, more than others. Some would be happy and eager to do the killing, others, like yourself, just wouldn't want to know the details, you would be satified in believing that 'whatever' the gov. did must be necessary and right.

I'm not getting into a religious discussion, "Islam" sending children to become suicide bombers is about as accurate as "Christianity" demanding the faithful kill abortion doctors. Equally false.

[Fred Beloit]

"But, if I was to get serious, I believe me being called a member of Al Quaeda and a terrorist IS ACTIONABLE, because it is an actual accusation of criminal wrongdoing. Get it?"

Gee, one suspects that being libeled under an alias like nowingker might be a little tough to sell to a judge. Get it?

[charles]

""Islam" sending children to become suicide bombers is about as accurate as "Christianity" demanding the faithful kill abortion doctors. Equally false."

oh dear, someone has never heard of the "baseej" or godwins law, is it any wonder i can't take certain commenters here as seriously as they take themselves

[bloodrage bob]

*other* brave & noble muslims that weren't convicted or didn't go to trial, nowinkie, include the asswipes of 9-11; the proud muslim warriors who so bravely killed the unarmed schoolchildren of beslan school; the noble studs who tried to murder the moscow theatergoers ("entertainment is against islam!"); and the fierce ninjas who behead the schoolgirls in thailand - and indonesia; and afghanistan. ("teaching girls to read is against islam!").

while you may not have defended *those* scumbuckets, nowinkie, ("they didn't go to trail! they were never convicted!"), you certainly don't *attack* them either, do ya. in a world where 'not every arab is a terrorist, but every terrorist IS an arab'; where the fierce warriors of islam attack only unarmed civilians; and the idea of identifying themselves as homicidal asswipes by wearing some kind of uniform is "against islam!" ....

the logical reaction to islamic asswipery is to be suspicious and watchful of *all* practitioners of that cowardly bloodthirsty pseudoreligion. you seem to have a problem with that.

but like all liberals, you want it both ways. a few days back, you whined that "liberals never defended 'piss christ'." no, but you certainly never *attacked* it either, didja. same with the hajis. you "don't condone" arab brutality/butchery to women, gays, and animals. yet you can't be bothered to condemn it, either, except under duress. that would be making a value judgement, you see. teacher said that was WRONG!

that way, you can have it both ways. *classic* liberal behavior. the only behavior you dare to condemn unequivocally is that of .... america & americans. piss off, nowinkie. give us a call when you grow a spine.

[Fred Beloit]

"...not everyone supports Bush and that a good portion of Americans see him for the moronic freak that he is and agree w/them that he's destroying the country:)..."

Nope, no more sparks of rationality now. All is darkness. I guess they only come in the early hours before winkie really winds herself up. It isn't that easy, biting yourself in the back of the neck. BTW, isn't this little smiley face on the end of wink's tirade quoted here cute? A final fillip of falsity.

[nowingker]

the logical reaction to islamic asswipery is to be suspicious and watchful of *all* practitioners of that cowardly bloodthirsty pseudoreligion. you seem to have a problem with that.
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I rest my case. The "logical" reaction to a few hundred or thousand out of a billion people engaged in terrorist actions is to suspect and watch "all" of them. But, winger thinking has nothing in common with that of Nazi Germany, nothing at all. Alrighty then.

I see you had to resort to a straw man argument as usual, Bob, when you can't find any arabs that I ever defended who were found to be guilty of any crimes you bring up a bunch of terrorist events that have nothing to do with the idea that you need EVIDENCE of guilt to assume guilt.

You don't know what I thought about Piss Christ. Myself, I am not a fan of 'performance art' or pieces that purport to be art simply by being offensive. I thought Piss Christ was tacky, and not art, but not something that should be banned.

I have never hesitated to make value judgements, Bob. As I keep saying, I judge all religion based on two thousand year old superstitious nonsense as crap. I am more than happy to judge hate speech as an idiotic response right along with seat belt laws and 'second hand smoke' killing hundreds of thousands of people as utter nonsense just like I am willing to say that calling torture by another name doesn't change what it is, that imprisoning an American citizen without due process is WRONG, and that judging every muslim for the actions of a handful is just as stupid as hating every American because of George Bush.

[charles]

because we all know the myriad actions against a civilized society that those jewish terrorists caused in nazi germany - the evidence is overwhelming

the huge pile of dead civilians, beheaded innocents, and murdered school girls and children drove those poor "volk" to open up concentration camps, to starve, gas, and do medical experiments to find out why the the they were so hated by the jewish citizens of that country

and since they were already so hated why not just invade poland, france, russia, and bomb england ad infinitum just in case some jews lived there as well

JUST LIKE THE WINGERS ARE DOING NOW!!11!!!, damn ignint redneck dingers

[chris]

Saddam Hussein flew remote controlled, WMD-laden airplanes into NYC on 9/11. Clearly this remote controlled boat was destined for the Statue of Liberty.

This is why we fight!

[nowingker]

Here's how they started, I could tweak this myself a tiny bit, replace "jew" with "muslim" post it on any right wing web site and get accolades:

As a result of the victory of the National Socialist revolution, the Jewish Question has become a problem for those who never before thought about solving the Jewish Question, who never fought to solve it. Everyone has seen that the current situation is intolerable. Allowing free development and equality for the Jews has led to an "unfree" situation of exploited competition, and to a handing over of important positions within the German people to those of a foreign race.

The result is that anyone who thinks about this question looks for a solution. Everyone has a proposal on his desk, which gets a more or less favorable reaction in discussions. That was to be expected.

But the solution to so important a problem is not as easy as is often supposed.

The legal measures that have just been issued by the government are cleansing actions that adroitly respond to Judah's declaration of war. Primarily, the laws provide a direction in which to move. One should not underestimate the significance of these laws. The entire people will be educated about the Jewish Question, and will come to understand that a people's community is a community of blood. For the first time, they will be reached by racial thinking, and will be focused not on theoretical solutions to the Jewish Question, but rather on a real solution.

Nevertheless, these temporary measures cannot be a final solution to the Jewish Question, since the time is not yet ripe, although the laws point out the direction and leave room for any future developments.

It would, however, be too early to work out plans for public discussion which propose to do more than can currently be done. Nonetheless, a few principles must be laid out so that the plans one makes can mature, and that mistakes can be avoided.

Fundamentally, one must decide whether or not to bring the Jews in Germany (as well as those of Jewish descent) together organizationally. Many plans announced so far propose to bring the Jews together in a federation so that they can be kept under watch, and influenced. All of these proposals are fundamentally in error. Were one to establish a federation of the Jews, whether under some kind of Jewish overseer or in some sort of federation or other innocent-looking structure, the Jews would have an eternal legal anchor in Germany, a way to present their wishes, a tool for their goals, a legal way to secure secret links. And one would give at least the impression that one was dealing with a national minority that could seek, and would find, support outside Germany. One may not give even the superficial appearance of supporting such an attitude toward the Jewish Question, as it would be politically insane to confound domestic German measures on the Jewish Question with foreign policy questions.

All proposals that include a permanent presence, a permanent regulation of the Jews in Germany, do not solve the Jewish Question, for they do not eliminate the Jews from Germany (denn sie lösen die Juden nicht von Deutschland). And that is what we want to do. If the Jews are able to exploit their host peoples forever, they will remain a constant source of the open, destructive flame of Bolshevism, making it easy to repeatedly kindle it again, not to mention the political uncertainties resulting from disunity within the people and the danger to racial unity. Let us swear off such thinking forever, whether it results from poor thinking or evil intentions. To summarize, the state can and must focus on systematical elimination, on emigration.

If we destroy any organizational cooperation of the Jews and expel the dangerous, subversive Jewish agitators who show any signs of conspiratorial activities, the Jews will still have the synagogue, the rabbi, to shield them. If we support Zionist plans and attempt an international solution by establishing a homeland for the Jews, we will be able to solve the Jewish Question not only in Germany, but in Europe and the entire world. The entire world has an interest in such a solution, on eliminating this source of disorder, which constantly proceeds from Bolshevism. We must establish that clearly.

Perhaps the Jews will be able to become a nation, a people. That would require that Jewish workers, craftsmen, and settlers would develop from the Jewish population. If we regulate this plan, they we will create new foundations for such a settlement. Scattering the Jews to the four winds does not solve the Jewish Question, but rather makes it worse. A systematic program of settlement, therefore, is the best solution.

Plans and programs must have a goal pointing to the future. They may not be focused only on a temporarily unpleasant situation. A better future demands the systematic solution of the Jewish Question, not the organization of the Jews.

We must build our state without the Jews. They can be only stateless foreigners among us, with no legal permanent standing. Only so will Ahasver [the legendary wandering Jew] be forced to take up his walking stick again, and then turn it into axes and spades.

[charles]

winkie, you are truly a sick fuck and have been relegated to the scroll over, along with your sockpuppeting compatriot

your ignorance overwhelms me

[Fred Beloit]

FLASH-FLASH-FLASH

Defense detective winkie, your services are now needed in Norway to defend a few more innocent kids. Fortunately it is not too far from Denmark: These innocents are certainly busy getting in dutch, the little jokers.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_1VUdbIjEkaGaIUIqv_WnOeudsAhttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_1VUdbIjEkaGaIUIqv_WnOeudsA

[nowingker]

What's the matter? Real Nazi propaganda against the Jews hitting too close to home?

There are reams of material on Nazi propanganda, hyping non existant threats, alluding to world wide conspiracies, blaming jews for crimes they never committed, fostering a sense of paranoia and the idea that jews were not 'real' Germans. I know you think we libruls just made up the parallels to Nazi Germany and the Bush Administration/Neocons, but I assure you, they are right there in black, white and vivid color.

Why does bringing this to your attention make me a sick fuck?

[chris]

Oh my, the OUTRAGE shown by Charles. Indigity that only a true GNOSTIC could muster. First the Arabs and their pets violate his bride, now the internets offend him. Where is the justice?

[bloodrage bob]

ahhh, it's always a glorious day when we can read hysterical leftwing dolts making ringing speeches about nazis! "thinking arabs are bad is just like hitler!"

grow up, nitwit. when the brave islamic warriors of the beslan school come to america, will you talk them to death? will you cause them to fall asleep with your pretty little speeches? will you make them break their necks nodding as you pathetically mewl to them "i'm your friend, abdul! please don't hurt me!"

i was already pretty sure you had not one iota of intellectual honesty, nowinkie. your liberal urge to 'have everything both ways' marked you as just another poseur. your sad little "you're all nazis!" screed just makes it official. so piss off, honey. oh, and BTW - your ideological icons stalin and mao killed **10 times** more people than hitler ever did. naturally, this will mean nothing to you. the 100,000,000 killed by communists you'll brush off as "irrelevant". just as you equate the alive-and-getting-fat hajis in gitmo with the death-camp jews.

daddy was right: no sense arguing with a lying fool. type away, nowinkie. go blow arabs, for all i care. if "nazis!" is your idea of argument, you're useless.

[Fred Beloit]

Ms nowingker, may I humbly suggest that you select a new moniker for future comments. After your performance and bad luck here today, it is quite likely nobody will read your comments in future. How about using one of mine if you can't think up a new one as good as islamollama or superintendo chalmers? May I suggest Ms Snarky Doucher?

[nowingker]

Stalin is my 'ideological icon'??? Really since when? And Mao too?

God, you guys are sooooooooo predictable.

Against the Iraq war=liberal=Democrat=traitor=terrorist supporter=COMMUNIST.

LOL.

What a pathic creature, this is your best shot?

You call me a fucking communist while in the same breath accuse me of being intellectually dishonest?

[bloodrage bob]

why, yes, nowinkie. yes, i did.

[seekeronos]

"--- I thought Piss Christ was tacky, and not art, but not something that should be banned. ---"

Indeed, and so should there not be any bans against burning Korans or dumping them down the potty - provided both Koran and potty are owned by the same individual. But Mr. Shmulevich awaits trial as a "hate criminal" for doing the same, and a good many liberals are more than happy to see him hang (or at least, get a stiff jail sentence) for daring to insult the Noble Koran and the (un)Holy Prophet (pb and j) who gave it to us from Allah.

As for conflating Nazi treatment of Jews to our treatment of Muslims -- I approach it from a certain criteria:

If we define radical, jihadist Islam as an enemy ideology.... just as we have done with Communism since the cold war -- and leaving alone those people who wish to practice Islam minus the nasty bits about lopping off people's heads to the long arms of the law, then we have already left the Nazi paradigm, which called for murdering every Jew under heaven.

As for terrorists and die-hard Jihadists... there is no more room for them in the USA.

Deport them back to a Sharia practicing nation where they will be happier; cut off Saudi and other Wahabbist/salafist sources of funds to American mosques, and putting Islam on the same standard and footing of non-favoritism as other faiths are on in the USA.

This means no special foot-baths on the public tax dollar, or re-arrangement of jailhouse toilets so they don't have to poop in the direction of Mecca, or making non-Muslims wear burkhas or chadors, and otherwise having them comply with our standards and assimilate into mainstream American culture, and not us into theirs...

... then I don't see any problems with an approach that deports those unpatriotic muslims who have by their profession and practice of Jihad have become enemy aliens in our midst. It is then that government should act to remove the threat in our midst.

Surveillance? Well, that may be necessary, until some Muslims whose intentions we cannot discern easily... until establish they establish themselves as patriotic and assimilated citizens.

[nowingker]

Burn the Koran, what do I care? Hate speech is just as fascist as what Bush is doing, you can't MAKE people nice or tolerant and the state shouldn't try to.

Seek, we did not deport Communists, we black listed them, and that is generally considered a dark, dark passage in American history that most of us are rightly ashamed of, like most of us are rightly ashamed of warehousing Japaense Americans on the grounds they 'might' be sympathetic to the enemy.

As I said before, the Nazi paradym did not START with murder, it STARTED with a wholesale demonization of the religion and ethnicity and moved on to a variety of restrictions and finally to wholesale killing.

What you support is is the first step on the road to genocide. Will we ever get to that point here in the US? I doubt it, but all the legal groundwork is there, thanks to Bush.

Back to the case in SC, it shows to me, how EASY it is to turn innocent people into terrorists and how EASY it is to convince a population scared of muslism that they're 'all' terrorists even without any evidence of such. They are judged by a different standard and are assumed to be guilty just because they are arab males.

Nobody wins against the Feds, once they put you in their crosshairs, you are almost certainly going to plead guilty or be found guilty. And when these guys are finally allowed to plead guilty to the charges with a recommendation for probation or expulsion, the Federal Judge is free to sentence them to 20 or 30 years if he feels like it and if he happens to be a Little Green Footballs Riehl World type who does't need evidence of guilt to pronounce guilt.

[bloodrage bob]

... as opposed to a intellectually dishonest nowinkie type terrified to name the enemy for fear of hurting their feelings; or somehow offending or insulting them.

because everyone knows that insulting muslims; or offending them; or inconveniencing them is exactly equal to killing them in death camps.

[Fred Beloit]

"Back to the case in SC, it shows to me, how EASY it is to turn innocent people into terrorists and how EASY it is to convince a population scared of muslism that they're 'all' terrorists even without any evidence of such."

Let's do get back to young Muslin men in small numbers, so far, all over the world who seem to be engaged in ethnic, or rather, religious cleansing, my dearest darling nowingker. You haven't had a chance yet to clear the innocents pointed out to you in Denmark and Norway, as you have done for those in SC? Well, it takes time to complete a thorough investigation. I'll try to be patient. I noticed you have been very busy.

[Fred Beloit]

"...the Federal Judge is free to sentence them to 20 or 30 years if he feels like it and if he happens to be a Little Green Footballs Riehl World type..."

Hahaha. How alarmingly self-unaware you are nowingker! Wouldn't you call someone who comes to this blog every single day and comments at length and at frequency, someone "exactly like you", as the song goes, a Riehl World type? I am amazed.

[nowingker]

OMG, you can't generalizes about entire populations based on the actions of a miniscule population sample. What about that do you not understand? That goes for white people, blacks, arabs, Russians, everyone.

X is a member of Y group
Members of Y group have commited A type crimes
X has commited A type crimes

This is faulty logic, the fact that you can't see that is scary on numerous grounds, not the least of which is that the country appears to be populated by people who couldn't pass an elementary logic test to save their lives.