Ah - Ah - Ah, Ahmadinejad

Ah - ah - ah, Ahmadinejad, perhaps not quite as catchy as Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. But it does seem to be the news of the day.

Michelle Malkin is in NYC for Mahmoudapalooza. Based upon news reports, NYC officials seemed to make it clear the Iranian pinhead would not be given access to ground zero. Hopefully reports that the trip is still on are older reports out of Iran and he isn't allowed to do an end run.

I very much doubt he could be arrested for such a maneuver, though it would be nice to see his name pop up on a terrorist watch list. If he makes an un-official visit to ground zero, the backlash could be profound and do more than anything to prepare the nation for military action against Iran's nuclear sites.

Allah is blogging the visit, as well. Meanwhile they are silencing the dissident press in Iran.

TEHERAN - Iran’s judiciary has sealed off the offices of a popular news Web site critical of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s policies after journalists continued to update it despite official filtering, the Web site said.

Rights groups and diplomats say there is a broad crackdown on dissenting voices in the Islamic state, which is under growing Western pressure over its disputed nuclear programme. The authorities deny such moves, saying they allow free speech.

A different point of view from the Columbia Law School. Also, years ago, in defending Nazis at Columbia - keyword honest. Perhaps Buckley had a point in 1962.

... President Butler harrumphed something about how Columbia "does not ask what a man's opinions may be but only whether he is intelligent, honest, and well-mannered in their presentation and discussion.

Comments

[IslamoLlama]

See, that's why I'll take Ahmadinejad over Bush as a world leader any day. If you're going to have an authoritarian fascist thug running your country and waging foolish foreign wars while blowing the budget almost exclusively on military spending, at least pick a leader that keeps your gas prices at under a $1 a gallon and knows how to talk to reporters without embarrassing himself and his country.

Ahmadinejad ran circles around Scott Pelley. It seems the only questions Pelley knew how to ask were "Do you have nukes?", "Have you got any nukes on you?", and "PresidentOfIranWhoHasNuclearWeaponsSaysWhat?" That said, Pelley's hat tip to Steve Colbert was touching, when he pitched his own version of "George Bush: Great President or Greatest President?"

Seriously, this is what happens when you break the MSM with bullshit right wing screeching and hollering about liberal bias. Congratulations, Pelley is now the voice of America, and Ahmadinejad just ran verbal circles around him. You wingers looked like a bunch of absolute wankers. Priceless.

[Dan Riehl]

You know, Islamo-lame-ass, it's a shame we live in such a civilized society here in America. Because it would be great sport to haul your pathetic ass out into the street to gut shoot you and watch you bleed out. It's a shame good Americans have to pay taxes and fight in wars to protect scum like you. But, hey, it's America. But, you know, if you want to contract some nasty disease and die, feel free. And make sure to let us know. Some folks might want to drop by just to piss on your grave.

[Techie]

The delusion has reached full swing. The media is so right-wing that the political process is broken?

"But he can work his tongue prettier than a twenty-dollar whore."

Back away from the pipe, llama.

[IslamoLlama]

There's that eliminationist rhetoric again, Dan. Don't get too huffy, I'm sure one day, when the South rises again...

Your right wing ilk have so much American blood on your hands, I'm always surprised how you can raise high holy hell over what an excellent job of "protecting" everyone you've done. Half a trillion wasted, over 3700 soldiers dead, all in the wake of Katrina, the VA Hospital debacles, Jose Padilla, and Congressional child molesters, and you somehow cling to the notion that Big Daddy Republican is the only thing standing between America as she was in the 50s and the New Caliphate stretching from Deerborn, Michigan to the San Fransisco Bay.

This is why your man Pelley comes across as a doffus and Ahmidenijad runs off a rhetorical winner at every confrontation. This is why your party is losing the war in Iraq and the one in Afghanistan. And its why you lost the '06 election, and will lose many more elections to come. Hold on to your seat, Dan. It only gets worse from here.

[Brucie]

Firstly, Ahmadhidenejad should have been denied a visa in the first place, end of story

Secondly,

That's gratifyingly self revelatory Islamo

Since we're reciting KOS talking points and cherry picking comments instead of focusing on Dans' post maybe we can indulge in a psuedo mathematical equation

Please apply your overwhelming political acumen to this:

150 years of Democratic leadership and a predictable act of nature = President Bush caused Katrina and hates black people

Thanks for your input,
Brucie

[nowingker]

it would be great sport to haul your pathetic ass out into the street to gut shoot you and watch you bleed out.
---------------------------------------------------

Said like a true, ahem, patriot and lover of freedom.

I wonder what is the difference between Dan wanting to 'gut shoot' the people he disagrees with and the Islamic radicals who want to behead them?

Dan would say because we don't do it in America and they do it in the ME, but that is only because of the system of laws that Dan and the wingers are methodically dismantling so that one day, in fact Dan and his ilk will be able to act on their muderous ideologically based impulses just like they do in the Third World...this is what happens when you stop being a country of laws where the law applies equally to everyone and you start being a country where whole classes of people are considered suspect/traitors/the enemy or otherwise deserving of being gut shut and having their grave pissed on simply because they have a different set of values.

You couldn't have made the wingers look any more evil, sick and twisted than desiring to murder them for their opinions.

Hail the Glorious Fatherland! er Homeland that is.

[Dan Riehl]

"Dan and his ilk will be able to act on their muderous ideologically based impulses"

LMAO Yeah, right, nowingsjustanassforahat. I don't even ban or delete comments but I just can't wait to change the laws so I can murda you. Go figure that one out, moron.

[nowingker]

You said it, I didn't. Your words and their meaning are very plain. It's 'a shame America is a civilized society' because it would be 'great sport' to 'gut shoot' someone whose politics you disagree with and 'watch them bleed out.'

[Dan Riehl]

"You said it"

Well, obviously, you have no appreciation for sports. heh! You can't answer my point so you ignore it - loser.

[nowingker]

What point did I ignore? The idea that you don't ban people from your blog so you wouldn't 'really' want to murder anyone if you could?

You've shown and said EXACTLY that, and numerous posts over time have shown a desire to either kill or imprison your adversaries.

You don't delete or ban posters because you want as much traffic as you can get. If you were at the level of Daily Kos you would tolerate no dissent because you could get away with it, just like if you could get away with 'gut shooting' people who have views you disapprove of, you would obviously do it, since the notion came out of your own brain and mouth.

[dumbblonde]

"See, that's why I'll take Ahmadinejad over Bush as a world leader any day."

You're free to leave for Iran. I'm sure Ahmadinawhackjob would love the propoganda. And the U.S. would be better off without those who are unable to appreciate the life and freedoms they enjoy here.

[Brucie]

Interesting site, I like the vitriol

But enough about me,

That's a very cute tactic Nonwingker,

Are you and Islamo the same person posting under different handles?

Even though you have violated Godwins law and rendered any further opinion of yours moot, I'm curious about this statement:

"the system of laws that Dan and the wingers are methodically dismantling"

How does one dismantle a law, and what laws might you be referring to?

Or are you just making stuff up on the fly?

Thanks,
Brucie

[dumbblonde]

Oh, and IslamoLlama?? It seems about 45% of the KOS idiots agree that Whackjob would be a better president. So would you mind taking them with you to Iran? I'm sure they would appreciate it, and so would we. Thanks :)

[nowingker]

You dismantle a "system of laws" by dismantling them, one by one, watering them down or beefing them up, reinterpreting legal precedents in the same way, reinterpreting the enforcement of existing laws, funding and defunding various related agencies in order to increase or decrease focus and enforcement.

Examples include The Patriot Act, the covert domestic spying program, the collecting and maintaining of giant databases with citizens' private information, the vast expansion of issues and documents covered by National Security and the reduced scope of issues and documents available via FOIA, the establishment of secret prixons, the imprisonment without due process of American citizens, legalizing of torture, the vice president's refusal to abide by the records act, destruction of habeous corpus, police departments and FBI maintaining files of political 'dissidents', the arrests of citizens for wearing political t-shirts, the establishment of special 'zones' of free speech....

This only relates to civil liberty laws, the same 'system of laws' is being dismantled on every other front as well, environmental, corporate, you name it.

[Brucie]

OH. I thought you were actually going to specify a law that was dismantled, or even bring up a point that hasn't been beaten to a pulp already

In your above posted litany where have you specified something that hasn't been apparent WELL before 1/21/2000? Other than the patriot act of course

[nowingker]

I wasn't aware that the United States had imprisoned any Americans without due process prior to George Bush becoming president, I also wasn't aware of any new directives about what does and does not constitute approved interrogation methods prior to George Bush's presidency, nor was I aware that large scale warrentless wiretapping that bypasses court oversight was going in prior to George Bush's presidency. I also wasn't aware of any vice president in history who claimed he was a part of the legislative and executive branches, depending on which laws he desired to circumvent.

Please enlighten me.

Lastly, I said SYSTEM OF LAWS, so your desire that I quote a specific statute and then explain how it has been dismantled is a bit disingenous.

You might also consider looking up 'trend' and applying it to this discussion, as in 'the trend toward a more repressive, less transparent government is obvious'

[bloodrage bob]

nowinkie translation: "i am unable to back up my ludicrous wild-eyed claim with any specifics or facts, therefore asking me to do so is disingenuous, grossly unfair to me, and technically hate speech."

[Brucie]

Ignorance is not a valid excuse Mr. Nonwingker

And trends are just that, trends

You could have saved quite a bit of typing and further obfuscation by being honest and just saying "I
don't know"

Or "my rampant BDS has destroyed any knowledge I may have of history"

See how few words that took?

I prefer to lead by example

Thanks,
Brucie

[Brucie]

Upon further reflection I believe it would be more accurate to sustitute the word "fad" for "trend"
much closer to the truth, wouldn't you agree?

Thanks,
Brucie

[nowingker]

I gave something like FOURTEEN specific examples, all involving changes in law and its interpretation.

However, I know in the Wingersphere that '14 examples' equals = 'no facts' or 'I don't know'...

I am always taken aback by how easily you simply lie and deny the obvious and seem to even believe it.

[IslamoLlama]

For those of you who loyally stand by our President, in the face of the ever loaming specter of an Iranian politician going back in time and winning the '00 election, exactly how would Ahmadinejad have done a worse job? Would he have dismantled the seperation of church and state more? Would he have been more corrupt? Would he have been more successfully at selling fake wars? Would he have made Iraq more friendly towards Iran? Would he have been less helpful to Katrina victims?

I'm just wondering why the wingnuts are so horrified at the idea of Ahmadinejad in the White House. What could he have done as an American President that would have been worse than what our current President has already done?

Or, maybe you're assuming Ahmadinejad in the White House with an equally compliant rubber-stamp Congress. Silly me. I'm living in the fairy-land where the President of the US doesn't have Supreme Unilateral Dictoral Power. No wonder you're afraid of President Ahmadinejad as much as you're afraid of President Hillary Clinton. Having invested that much power in executive authority, I'd be pissing my pants as a wingnut conservative too.

[Brucie]

That's humorous and somewhat adversarial with just a light hint of self doubt, well done!

What's glaringly obvious and revealing is how many times you stated "I wasn't aware"

Looks like I'm going to have to agree with you, your debating prowess is sure to become legendary

Thanks,
Brucie

[Brucie]

Islamo, you're a silly little man aren't you?

But seeing how you saw fit to bring it up again, I'll take this opportunity to reiterate:

"Please apply your overwhelming political acumen to this:

150 years of Democratic leadership and a predictable act of nature = President Bush caused Katrina and hates black people"

Thanks,
Brucie

[Fred Beloit]

Isla-moe writes "You wingers looked like a bunch of absolute wankers. Priceless." Tell us do you often watch bunches of wankers?

[IslamoLlama]

"Please apply your overwhelming political acumen to this:

150 years of Democratic leadership and a predictable act of nature = President Bush caused Katrina and hates black people"

I'll see your "Blame it on 150 years of Democratic Leadership" and raise you a "Heckava Job Brownie". It's amazing how the Party of Personal Responsibility somehow tries to dodge the bullet every time they fuck up. Did Clinton appoint Brown to head FEMA? Did the Democrats fail to predict the breach of the levees (apparently "no one could have...")?

I don't think for a second that George Bush hates "black people". I'm sure he's a huge fan of Alan Keys, for instance. Bush hates Democrats. Louisiana is a Democratic State. Ergo, Louisiana gets totally dicked over and ignored for years while Trent Lott, of Deep Red Mississippi, has disaster relief personally crawling over his back lawn to finish touching up his deck within hours.

That's your stark dicotomy, Brucie. The only people who ever seem to get aid from a Republican Government are Republican political donors. And this is entirely due to George Bush in office. I contend, without a hit of unseriousness, that if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were President of the United States in 2005, every person in the Rita, Katrina, and Wilma disaster areas would have received equal relief regardless of political affiliation. And if he didn't, Congress would have seen that there was hell to pay.

[Fred Beloit]

"

You dismantle a "system of laws" by dismantling them, one by one, watering them down or beefing them up, reinterpreting legal precedents in the same way, reinterpreting the enforcement of existing laws...Example include The Patriot Act, the covert domestic spying program, the collecting and maintaining of giant databases with citizens' private information..." by nowink.

There are so many things wrong in this nuthouse of comments that this quoted comment resides in, wink, that one hates to refute any one of them without refuting them all. But the fact is they have all been refuted before.

But let's just take this one (I get board re-travelling worn roads): No citizen of the United States, that I am aware of, has brought out a case demonstrating that they have illegally or wrongly been spied upon.

[Brucie]

Your statement,

"Brucie. The only people who ever seem to get aid from a Republican Government are Republican political donors. And this is entirely due to George Bush in office."

The facts

"At President Bush’s request, Congress has provided a total of $16.7 billion in Federal funds under the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s (HUD) Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) program to help rebuild damaged housing and other infrastructure. This unprecedented program represents the largest single housing recovery program in U.S. history."

Why on earth should I pay attention to any of your statements, especially given your penchant for saying ridiculous things about the dwarf from Iran

Answer this instead, "What is a twelver, or who is the madhi in the well"

Thanks,
Brucie

[Fred Beloit]

Sorry, bored.

[IslamoLlama]

Indeed, you've located where Bush requested the money, but not how it was spent.

http://www.star-telegram.com/388/story/243818.html

“It is truly amazing to me that the only work on houses has been done by faith-based organizations, and no one else has been doing anything,” said Angela Baker, director of the Methodist organization Rita Recovery. “What has taken so long? It is appalling to me that it has taken this long.”

Then, of course, there is this.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/252364.html

"Just the $1 billion the U.S. Government Accountability Office estimates FEMA lost to "fraud, waste and abuse" within a short time after the storm would be enough to cover the city of Waveland's budget for 143 years, or buy more than 6,000 new houses."

Massive fraud on an unprecedented level, presided over by a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't appear to acknowledge that it exists. This, billions in aid, authorized by a Republican Congress and distributed by a Republican President that appears to assist only the most select of individuals.

When asked why the money isn't distributed faster or more efficiently, the response in both articles - by administration officials - has been "government regulation". Of course, the Republican Congress and the Republican Presidency set down the regulatory guidelines. So this still manages to fall squarely in the lap of the Republican party.

And who is getting the money that is spent? Halliburton, for one. In another incident recorded by the Committee on Government Reform (page 5):

http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20060824110705-30132.pdf

"One example of the misuse of subcontractors involves the “blue roof” program. In the aftermath
of Hurricane Katrina, FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers entered into contracts with three
large contractors, the Shaw Group, Simon Roofing, and LJC Construction, to cover winddamaged
roofs with blue tarps.15 These contractors subcontracted with other contractors, who in
turn subcontracted with yet another layer of subcontractors. Because so many contractors took a
cut of the funds, the fees charged to taxpayers were vastly inflated. According to one published
account, the costs to the taxpayer under the tiered contracts were sometimes 1,700% higher than
the job’s actual cost.16 A second account reported that the taxpayer paid an average of $2,480
per roof for a job that should cost under $300.17"

And my personal favorite - Katrina Aid Going Towards Football Condos.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8R0A6E00&show_article=1&cat=0

" About 10 condominium projects are going up in and around Tuscaloosa, and builders are asking up to $1 million for units with granite countertops, king-size bathtubs and 'Bama decor, including crimson couches and Bear Bryant wall art.

While many of the buyers are Crimson Tide alumni or ardent football fans not entitled to any special Katrina-related tax breaks, many others are real estate investors who are purchasing the condos with plans to rent them out.

And they intend to take full advantage of the generous tax benefits available to investors under the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005, or GO Zone, according to Associated Press interviews with buyers and real estate officials. "

Once again, who awards these contracts? Who regulates what may be spent? The Bush Administration, ultimately, holds the purse strings on these projects, having already requisitioned the money from Congress.

And yet you still cling to the fanciful notion that this is somehow all the Democrats' fault. Unbelievable.

[dumbblonde]

This is a pointless "debate". Obviously, Islamo knows nothing about Ahmadinajad, or about the Islamic Republic of Iran. And Islamo, for the record: YES, Ahmadinajad WOULD further dismantle the separation of church and state, as Islam IS the State in Iran. Duh.

*snorting with disgust*

I second Beloit's sentiment: bored.

[Brucie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070829/ts_nm/neworleans_katrina_bush_dc

"We" all know the govt never moves fast enough or spends enough, Right?

Wow! Gov't waste, political corruption and graft in La, who'da thunk?

And yet you still cling to the fanciful notion that this is somehow all Bushs' or the Repubs fault. Unbelievable.

Maybe it would be beneficial for you to take up residence in Iran, the political climate might suit you better, after all you seem to share many of the same opinions about the US as the mullahs and thier puppet

And I for one, could sleep better at night knowing you were enjoying the fruits of your political leanings

Thanks,
Brucie

[nowingker]

Talk about Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I can't believe anyone is arguing that the Katrina clean up was a 'heck of a job'

Oh wait, of course I can. The fantastic job done by FEMA and the rest of the Federal government in the wake of Hurricane Katrina should stand as a model for how all future natural disasters should be handled. In fact, the timely, organized, efficient and well coordinated response to the disaster may stand as one of the high points of Bush's presidency. Heck of a job, indeed.

LOL now I am bored.

[nowingker]

Talk about Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I can't believe anyone is arguing that the Katrina clean up was a 'heck of a job'

Oh wait, of course I can. The fantastic job done by FEMA and the rest of the Federal government in the wake of Hurricane Katrina should stand as a model for how all future natural disasters should be handled. In fact, the timely, organized, efficient and well coordinated response to the disaster may stand as one of the high points of Bush's presidency. Heck of a job, indeed.

LOL now I am bored.

[IslamoLlama]

"Wow! Gov't waste, political corruption and graft in La, who'da thunk?

And yet you still cling to the fanciful notion that this is somehow all Bushs' or the Repubs fault. Unbelievable."

Yes, you can play the "Louisiana is a corrupt state, ergo Bush is not responsible for corruption" except that isn't actually worth much when Bush is responsible for oversight of the funds.

You know, Bush also picked up a few DUIs back in the 70s. Drunk driving? During the 70s in Texas? Who'da thunk? Ergo, Bush didn't do anything wrong back then either, right?

Is that really all you've got? Does it explain the corruption in Texas, Mississippi, and Alabama? Does it in any way vindicate your President or somehow cast a negative light on Ahmadinejad like you'd hoped? As far as I can tell, my original premise still stands. Ahmadinejad would have made a better President. Maybe not a good President, but still a huge step up from our current Free World Leader.

[templar knight]

Islamoidiot,

You've really gone off the deep end this time. You're playing the part of the ape in the shiny coat, I see, never able to blame anything on an Islamist, no matter how crazy he might be. My suggestion to you, emmigrate to Iran, that particular ruler satisfies your requirements quite well. What a tool you are. Worthless POS.

Hell, yes, billions were wasted in this Katrina mess, right from the start, when Democrats were raising hell because checks were not being handed out fast enough. Then, when Bush did exactly what the Democrats wanted, he gets slammed for wasting money. DUH? Thousands of scum took advantage of the situation, and who are they, fricking sorry ass Democratic scum, like you, who's also sucking the government tit, you POS. So don't say a damn thing about wasted money, you're wasting thousands in taxpayer's money yourself, you ape.

And you want to talk about contractors and their cozy relationship to government, boy, you're so stupid you don't know that The Shaw Group is big, and has been big, in Louisiana Democratic politics for years. Hell, the husband of Gov. Blanco of Louisiana has taken so many free plane rides in Shaw's planes, that some think he is one of their pilots.

And the Democrats are in control of Congress, they can pass any law they want, so quit whining. Go whine somewhere else, you little shit.

[Brucie]

Mr Nonwinkger,

Are you talking to me?

"I can't believe anyone is arguing that the Katrina clean up was a 'heck of a job'"

Maybe you can point me to where I said this? Try as I mayI'm having some difficulty finding this statement

Nowhere did I defend anyone or anything other than the fact "This unprecedented program represents the largest single housing recovery program in U.S. history." In a reply to Islamos disingenuos statement

And with a grand total of $114 billion allocated thru the congress probably one of the biggest govt wastes ever

Nothing about this surprises me in any way, the fact is we reside in one of the greatest countries in world history, warts and all

Why do you insist on trying to debate things you thought I wrote?, rather than the words smack in front of your face? Both you and Islamo keep on trying to argue points that you bring up, rather than anything I have actually said here

For example you say now
"The fantastic job done by FEMA and the rest of the Federal government in the wake of Hurricane Katrina should stand as a model for how all future natural disasters should be handled. In fact, the timely, organized, efficient and well coordinated response to the disaster may stand as one of the high points of Bush's presidency. Heck of a job, indeed."

It's not very clever and all too obvious, you seem to get a lot of practice posting without actually making a cogent point, and the nyah,nyah, nyah routine not only makes you look immature it also wears thin rather quickly

If I may, allow me to give you some friendly advice: Grow up already, your BDS makes you all too predictable, and easily dismissed as unserious - do they stamp you guys out with a cookie cutter or are you extruded?

Thanks'
Brucie