TNR Second Source Versus Beauchamp

I've read around on the issue and haven't seen this below pointed out. It appears that what TNR claims to have confirmed has little to do with what Beauchamp claims was done in this regard. The second source describes an altogether different practice.

TNR: The last section of the Diarist described soldiers using Bradley Fighting Vehicles to kill dogs. On this topic, one soldier who witnessed the incident described by Beauchamp, wrote in an e-mail: "How you do this (I've seen it done more than once) is, when you approach the dog in question, suddenly lurch the Bradley on the opposite side of the road the dog is on. The rear-end of the vehicle will then swing TOWARD the animal, scaring it into running out into the road. If it works, the dog is running into the center of the road as the driver swings his yoke back around the other way, and the dog becomes a chalk outline." TNR contacted the manufacturer of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle System, where a spokesman confirmed that the vehicle is as maneuverable as Beauchamp described.

Shock Troops: He slowed the Bradley down to lure the first kill in, and, as the diesel engine grew quieter, the dog walked close enough for him to jerk the machine hard to the right and snag its leg under the tracks. The leg caught, and he dragged the dog for a little while, until it disengaged and lay twitching in the road. A roar of laughter broke out over the radio.

It appears TNR's witness witnessed an entirely different scene. How is that considered corroboration? And it certainly has nothing to do with fact checking as regards Beauchamp's narrative. It's a completely different version of events.

Plenty of posts to read via Memeorandum.

Comments

[ts]

Posted by: nowingker | Friday, August 03, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Posted by: nowingker | Friday, August 03, 2007 at 04:12 PM

Wow, you have no life. Almost 5 hours. Sad that.

[bloodrage bob]

whaat? what's that you say, noyyyinger? you say you don't want to talk about beauchamp and his easily-proven lies anymore? you don't want to comment on that now?

what you wanna talk about now is ... vietnam?

ok, show of hands: who DIDN'T see that coming?

[nowingker]

I didn't bring up Vietnam, dumbfuck, one of your fellow wingers did.

How's about we talk about Matt Sanchez, want to? The Weekly Standard's gay porn source for discounting Beachamp's story?

Is it in the water? Are you people really taking stupid pills? Are you wearing tin hats? WTF?

[ps]

How's about we talk about Matt Sanchez, want to? The Weekly Standard's gay porn source for discounting Beachamp's story
posted by: nowingker | Friday, August 03, 2007 at 05:14 PM

OH Lookie, you've pulled out the Max B gay card, snicker.
Ace has an answer for you *wink*

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/235812.php

[nowingker]

You guys are the ones who are afraid of gay people, scared to death that gay marriage is going to destroy heterosexuality or some such nonsense.

If its true that he was a GAY PORN ACTOR, then, I'm going to have to say that he loses some credibility.

Not that I don't expect the wingersphrere to do its usual hypocritical about face on issues of pornography and homosexuality. I would expect nothing less.

[Capitalist Infidel]

Damn, I've never read such vicious hatred of our military as I've read from nowanker. Is that kind of seething rage against our soldiers commonplace on the left?

[Rich Casebolt]

All this gnat-straining, flung all over the place ... by one Leftist who recently told me that his biggest concern was the threat to his civil liberties by our current Administration.

The fact that you have not been "disappeared" yet, nowingker, speaks volumes as to YOUR credibility ...

... and so, what's next ...

... the words "Baby Killer"?

Let me make something clear; for every war criminal supposedly "produced" by war ... in both Vietnam, and Iraq ... there are TENS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS who continue to treat the Iraqi people with respect.

You want proof ... go to the Kurdish areas, go to Anbar, go to Diyalah ... the people see us now as a trustworthy "tribe", and are working with us.

That would not be the case, if the problem you describe was as pervasive as you imply it to be.

How many mosques ... and homes ... were NOT blown up to get at the enemy, when the traditional calculus of war would say that such destruction is prudent. The type of brutes you describe wouldn't have given their preservation a second thought.

And, among those tens of thousands, there are not a few like Marcus Lutrell and his departed shipmates ... who were willing to accept a clear and present risk to their lives by letting noncombatants who could expose them to their enemy go free.

They are not the first of our warfighters to do so ... and they will not be the last.

It is an American tradition ... from spending billions on precision-guided munitions, to executing tactics that place our warfighters at greater risk on a regular basis ... to do our best to win the war, without grinding the innocent to powder.

Otherwise, this war would have taken less than a day.

The fact that you would characterize brutality as pervasive among our warfighters, in the face of the evidence above, speaks more about your credibility, nowingker ...

... and even more, about your morality.

[red]

---He's a soldier, so he must at some time not have been a lefty traitor or he would not have enlisted, correct?----

Leftie traitors have been known to join the service for reasons other than wanting to serve the country. Some wanted to burnish their resume and lead anti-war movements. I give you, winter soldier John Kerry.

Some one mentioned Haditha as an example of us right wingers denying reality. Its hard to argue with people who follow currenet events through a dope induced haze. Haditha prosecutions are falling apart and very soon traitor John Murtha, will need to stand before cameras and apologize for calling Marines cold blooded murderers before the trial even started. Yep, he's a lying lefty no doubt.

Haditha prosecution said to be fraught with problems
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04/11/news/top_stories/1_22_254_10_07.txt

Marine Investigator Recommends Dropping Charges in Haditha Killings
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288879,00.html

Nothing but lies from the left.

[charles]

i know i'm late to the party, but holy crap winky, i'm worried about you - give the internet a break

you're getting nuts

i'm not being sarcastic or mocking - i disagree with most of what you say, and you get pretty carried away but it's usually funny

i don't think you're a bad guy - give it a rest, the blogs don't seem to be doing you any good take a vacation, shut off the computer for a week or two

then come back and we can call each other names again, but in the meantime - i'm sincerely worried about you

good luck

[narciso]

Tillman died in Uruzgan province, as a result of a tragic misunderstanding; arising from an earlier confrontation with the Taliban. Jessica Lynch's
capture, was mixed up with a nearby incident of a soldier named Weaver:
in the fog of war these things happen; a similar incident happenedin Iwo
Jima. Abu Ghriab was an ongoing investigation, that arose out of a very limited
time span. Haditha, was tragic but understandable regarding previous procedures

[maurice]

Oh yeah? Uh...uh...Matt Sanchez is GAY!!!!

Take THAT!!!!!

[wjo]

I predict that once the soldiers come back from Iraq, assuming Bush doesn't declare martial law or find a new way to read the Constitution that legally gives him the option of staying in office, you are going to hear a lot more tales like this, a lot more stories of how the soldiers came to hate all Iraqis and stopped trying to differentiate between innocent civilians and insurgents. In five or ten years time I think you will find, that just like Vietnam, the situation led to all kinds of crazy and criminal behavior. If I'm right, maybe you will remember our little dialogue, maybe not.

Nowingker: I will remember when you are in a concentration camp run by Halliburton and staffed by our brutalized psycopathic Iraqi veterans in Bushitlers new SS Sonderkommandos.

That paragraph tells me everything I need to know that you are, in fact, out of your mind. When Bush is back in Crawford in 2009 what will happen to your already mentally unbalanced "reality"?

The only way we can lose in Iraq is to give up. To the Left that is a good thing because we are the despoilers of Earth and without our humbling, will continue our reckless, greedy, arrogant, indivividualist ways.

Nowingker, if you are looking for a tyrant, quit looking at Bush and look at Chavez. That Dude is the real deal and does everything your fevered imagination pretends Bush is doing.

And, by the way, after interviewing everyone in Beauchamp's company, the Army concludes these "vignettes" are shinola. Of course, the Army, being corrupt from top to bottom and under the thumb of our Fuhrer would say this so we boobs in the "faith based world" can go back to watching NASCAR and beating our uppity wives.

[Gmax]

To anyone wondering about some more information on the investigation done by the Army into the claims by Beauchamp:

Col. Steven Boylan, Public Affairs Officer for U.S. Army Commanding General in Iraq David Petraeus, just emailed me the following in response to my request to confirm an earlier report that the U.S. Army’s investigation into the claims made by PV-2 Scott Thomas Beauchamp made in The New Republic had been completed.

He states:

To your question: Were there any truth to what was being said by
Thomas?

Answer: An investigation of the allegations were conducted by the command and found to be false. In fact, members of Thomas’ platoon and company were all interviewed and no one could substantiate his claims.

[Fred Beloit]

It is in everyone's interest, nowinker (aka wjo, et al), that you resign from your position as Senior Blog Propagandist for CAIR; Daily Kos; Hammas; The Great Cuban Revolution; Savages Unlimited; Che T-shirts, Inc;, Religion of Peace (A Non-profit Community of Agitators); Scholars Against Reason; Marc Cooper Commenters Assoc.; Ward Churchill for President Committee; Actors, Dancers and Singers United for Peace at Any Price, and We Mean It; or Murder-by-Words Group "We care", whichever may apply. I and others here are concerned that defending the indefensible by using tired and worn out half-truths, untruths, and self-deception is ruining you mental wellness. Thank you and all the best in your new career.

[bloodrage bob]

it's all falling apart, liberals. just like we said it would. the army's announced "everything beauchamp wrote is a lie. feel free to see for yourselves".

the 2 or 3 guys in beauchamp's unit who "corroborated" his whoppers have declined to do do *under oath* to the command. wonder why? big difference between saying "yeah it happened" to a dipshit liberal journalist, and *testifying under penalty of perjury*.

now watch how fast the liberals run away form this story. watch how fast they move into "the facts weren't as important as the tone" mode. watch how fast they chuck beauchamp into the memory hole. "damn it! can't ANYone write a foolproof lie around here?!?"

oh, and dumbfuck noyyyinger? you DID "bring up vietnam" first, even though you lied (go figure) and denied doing so. your typically idiotic post of 8/3, 3:08 pm. get some help, son. fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.

[Jeremy]

So exactly HOW does one fit a human child's skull onto an adult head? My head is a size 7 1/2. That means my skull is somethng like 6 1/2 to 7 inches in diameter. How do I fit a childs skull which is considerably smaller onto mine?
I'm baffeled. maybe nowinger or what ever his moronic name is can explain without resorting to cheap insults and attacks. I just want information so if I ever find a childs skull in a mass grave I can wear it with pride.

[wjo]

Fred:

I ain't nowinker. Sarcasm is usually lost on the humorless.

[Fred Beloit]

Apologies, wjo, I read the first sentence and dropped the hammer. I'm prone to this error and have done it too many times before. Kneejerk is what it is called. Sorry. I'll keep working on it.

[wjo]

Fred:

Figured as much. Lefties get me wound up too. Although, if nowinker is a good representative I'm buying aluminum foil manufacturer's stocks.