Are Some Radical Feminists Child Abusers?

I've wrestled with making this post, based upon a tip. I have no real connection to the people involved on either side of the issue. But given that this is linked to a radical feminist the Lefty blogs, including Amanda Marcotte,  Majikthise, Feministing and others raised up to suit their purposes, I wonder, has any of them considered that basically teaching a young man he is evil and destined to rape women simply because he was born with a penis might actually rise to the level of child abuse? If the Lefty feminist blogs know this person and know her mind and this is it, I hope some of them have had the decency to advise her to get some help.

Should a Mother post something like this below on the Internet, simply because her teenage son was caught looking at Internet pornography?

"(I) hate myself for not pouring him down the sink at Planned Parenthood or grabbing a rusty coathanger and doing the job myself even if it killed me."

Or this and the other items below?

I've had him read Dworkin, my site, and other places (namely OAG's site) and I still can't unseat this problem. He can recite feminist literature all day long, he can understand the tenets, the ideas behind it, how it links together but he will not allow this knowledge to stand in the way of his porn use.

"I know, that as soon as my child leaves my home and moves into his own place that he will be looking at porn immediately. I know that I am raising a problem for women. I know that this child will one day grow and will fully absorb the messages that porn sends to men. I know that my child masturbates to degradation of my people (when I use that phrase I mean womyn) and that with every orgasm he will further solidify his own hatred of and superiority over, women.

"I know that there will likely come a day where my son coerces a young woman into sex (rape) and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. I look into the eyes of my son and they still sparkle like they did when he was a baby, but he's not a baby anymore, he's growing into a man and that man will have trained himself to degrade women before he leaves my home.

Maybe you remember "Biting Beaver," a blogger who had her caused pushed by Amanda Marcotte and others. They even raised money for her.

Well, bad news, everyone. Biting Beaver, who was brave enough to tell us all her horror story about trying to obtain emergency contraception in rural Ohio but only being able to get it basically as the window of opportunity was closing, has discovered that she didn’t take the EC in enough time and she is indeed pregnant.

Update: For people who were asking if they could help Beaver out, she has a PayPal—check the comments here and look on Biting Beaver to get her email address. I would like to add that if you want to continue giving financially in this direction, there are thousands upon thousands of women in this country that need abortions a year and don’t have the money to pay for them.

Evidently there's a war going on around her "Women's Space" Why Men Hate Us

As of about 10:00 p.m. on the day of this post, there were three registered users on my Women’s Space/Margins boards, which women I care about and I created in 2000 and which have been a haven for all sorts of women since then.  We’ve supported one another, been friends with one another, cared for one another there for seven years .

Allegedly it came about after posts like this were discovered:

writing about her teen-aged son -- because she caught him looking at Porn on the Internet:

But he is not and the way he treats his girlfriend, his sister, his grandmother, and myself make me hate myself for not pouring him down the sink at Planned Parenthood or grabbing a rusty coathanger and doing the job myself even if it killed me.

And unfortunately, it seems to mirror much of her other writing:

My boys are good boys, they're smart boys, but they are boys and as such, the Patriarchy want them. The Patriarchy is doing it's level-best to assimilate my boys and bring them into the folds of Male Power and Privilege and it's my job to put the spark of empathy, the fire of self-determination and respect into their young minds to make women safer. To make their wives and girlfriends and fuck buddies safe from them, because left unchecked they could rape, they already have the equipment.

Now, if only I can figure out what to say *sigh*

Comments

[Bob]

You do realise that you are repeating something that was written on a private message board with only about fifty members that was hacked by a bunch of internet psychos who have made it their mission to track this woman down and destroy her life?

Well done you.

[Dan Riehl]

Boob, your compassion for a child who may be having his mind poisoned is touching. Now shove off.

[Pablo]

Why do women who so hate men continue to have sex with them?

Two words: Daddy issues.

[ANonemoose]

Bob, this is your local internet psycho here.

We're doing this because the woman is fucking bat-shit insane. That, and the fact that really, fucking the psychological development of children up because she cant move past being 'the victim' as well as a 'product of the events in her life' instead of taking a stand and being a wholesome and decent mother to her kids...its inherently wrong.

We may be internet psychos, but some of us have a sense of moral obligation, even if we are a bunch of hackers on steroids or labeled as an 'internet hate machine' .

Btw, I've a kid of my own, and i sure as fuck wouldn't ever want anyone like BB near my kids. I fear whats already been subjugated to those kids already because of their mothers fucked up view of the world.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry guys, we'll get Brandon out of that psycho-bitch's control

[Anonymous]

in case anyone is unsure, in denial, or taken in by the denial of others; although the forum where bitingbeaver posted is down, the comments are cached by google here:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:3Hb2Y2I79ZgJ:www.womensspace.org/Feminist_Motherhood/182.html&hl=en&strip=1

they were not made up by Encyclopedia Dramatica. They were found on the forum, which is what provoked all this outrage, etc, including some individuals leaving trollish comments on feminist forums.

The suggestion that bitingbeaver was impersonated by someone who hacked the forums, just in order to stir up controversy against feminists is not, I think, believed by anyone who actually knows her or is linked to the forums, and is not credible.

[Screeching Rodent]

"elyzabethe" writes :'nobody actually uses the words womyn or womon. just fyi.'

Umm... "elyzabethe", honey.... "Biting Beaver" did in fact use the word "womyn" in the linked post.

Hint: read first, then screech. You won't look *quite* as stupid that way.

Hint #2: punctuation and capital letters aren't actually, you know, tools of the Patriarchy. Really.

[Screeching Rodent]

P.S. to "elyzabethe":

http://www.google.com/search?q=womyn

Yes, you're right. Absolutely no one uses that word. Nope.

[Beth]

"the only people who believe in that 'men are in charge and women should be subservient' mental madness are progressive feminists who need to project their own inadequacies in life and radical Islamists who consider females dirty dog.

Unlike you, I am a woman who has long since moved on from the perspective that I surely must be subservient since I am a woman.

Posted by: syn | Thursday, August 09, 2007 at 12:19 PM "

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Standing ovation, syn! Amen!

Maybe when they grow up, they'll learn that REAL women in a free society don't *let* others dictate roles or rule their lives.

(Oh, wait, I forgot, we don't have a free society, according to the slack-jawed leftard narrative.)

[bour3]

Wouldn't it be amazing if her son was as cavalier about abortion as his mother?

[Beth]

Oh, this is rich!

"At the moment, it all comes back to Brandon's own self-loathing and feelings of inadequacy. Through porn he is told that males (and by extension him) are inherently more worthy than at least one other group of people.

Of course, as he ages the hatred will (and has) become more embedded, at this point Brandon is so terrified of all things female that he literally would not even carry a flat of flowers for me in the store. "

Congratulations, "BB," you've raised a son who hates women! It's not the pr0n that did it, it's you!

GAWD. I don't like pr0n either, and I also think it exploits women. But fer Chrissakes, that woman has created all that "self-loathing and feelings of inadequacy" in him all by herself. It would be surprising if he DIDN'T have issues with women, with a mother like that.

Of course, *some* people would blame teh Patriarchy™ rather than BAD PARENTING by a disturbed parent, while at the same time blaming bad parenting by a disturbed parent (the father, always) for their own issues. LOL!

I know feminists can raise healthy children well, just like anyone else. But not that one, and not any of the bots parroting or defending her crazed rants. Jill has a child, yet defends this woman? Does she think this is NORMAL behaviour for a mother? Would she treat her own child the same way? I'm a mother, and in my wildest nightmares I can't even conceive of having that sort of loathing for my own child, nor do I want to understand, empathize with, or defend that crazy fucking bitch.

[jason m. french]

I feel much sorrow for her son, but at the same time, BB and her defenders have given me new appreciation for how awesome my mom was and still is.

[jason m. french]

Also, I need to add, if BB thinks that barring her son from the computer will prevent him from seeing porn, she's losing it. My first glimpse of Penthouse was at 10, when a friend showed me a mag he found "in daddy's night stand."

[David Schatz]

It is my belief that both sexes are equal not only in the inherent need for reproductive matters, but how we "dance" together throughout life. In a balance that if graphed would look somewhat like a set of mirrored bar graphs each noting a strength or weakness the other posseses. And if laid side-by-side would match perfectly. If either male or female were to become a total dominating force world wide this balance would be shattered and so would everything.

The problem with our development is the centuries old base it rests on. So change comes slowly. Hopefully change s allows us to realize our equality rests on our weight in balenced scales. Because if is not, be afraid of that sinking feeling. On of us may have jumped off.

[David schatz]

I apologise for the spelling errors. It is late after all.

[Screeching Mousetrap]

Screeching Rodent:

Is "womyn" in the dictionary? No.
Is it used much outside of feminist circles? No.

Lots of people on the net use the term "fgsfds". That doesn't make it a real word, though.

[Screeching Rodent]

"Is "womyn" in the dictionary? No."

Wrong.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/womyn

"Is it used much outside of feminist circles? No."

Err.. that's the point. People (including Chris and Techie) were making fun of nutbar extreme feminists using the term. "elyzabethe" took exception to this, and claimed that "nobody actually used" the term. She was wrong. And you are wrong.

Again: read first, then screech.

Next.

[Screeching Mousetrap]

Actually I did read first. I read the Merriam-Webster dictionary that's sitting in my freakin' bookcase. It lacked the word "womyn". As does every dictionary site I've checked except dictionary.com.

So I'm going to go with, "It's not a real word.", seeing as it's about 5 to 1.

Next.

[RW]

Anonymous, thanks for the link.
Suffice it to say that in a nutshell, those gals are simply b#t$h@t crazy, period. Wacko. Nutcases.

One cannot tell from the text but there is a wide range of what constitutes "pornography", ranging from Playboy to, well, the gutter. My guess is that the wacko-crazy female in question caught her son looking at boobies and went more ape&^it. Best if she were kept away from any other humans, IMO.

Looksee, I have a 10 year old daughter & a 7 year old son and I can guarantee that my son will soon learn the art of masturbation - I may not like it & I certainly will keep porn away from him, but....guys like t*tties. It's inherent. We lust after pretty women. It's part of our DNA. We do all sorts of wild and crazy stuff in order to get our hands on the pretty women and feel them up. And it does not constitute "rape" or the act of degrading women to engage in the activity that we begin to seek (pretty much nonstop) beginning with puberty (and subsiding shortly after we realize that wifey ain't ever gonna lose that pregnancy weight....hey, I kid). :)

For the folks who always see men seeking to hold a woman "in her place", especially via sex: Amanda, you've nothing to worry about. We've seen your picture. You're safe, hon. Trust us, you're very, very safe. Then again, most lefty femme types generally are.

Why is it that the gals most interested in abortion are the last one's you'd want to $#&#$, anyway?

[Anonymouse]

I'm sure you've seen this, but a woman called 'aNOMOS' posted something on the womensspace blog (http://womensspace.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/blogging-while-female-men-win-hacking-as-sexual-terrorism/) saying "Truth is their moms had those same thoughts. Of course she did." This is clearly absolutely ridiculous - would my mom be disappointed that I look at porn? Yeah. Would she ever wish she had aborted me? Of course not. And this applies to every (sane) mother too.

[Klaus]

"(I) hate myself for not pouring him down the sink at Planned Parenthood or grabbing a rusty coathanger and doing the job myself even if it killed me."

I don't she said this, but I do think she posted that "I wish I could aborted him."

The kid is 13, what else is he going to be doing. The older probably looks at porn as well, he's just more skilled in hiding it. She is creating the monster she seeks to destroy, she's so fucking deep in her mythos she's willing to sacrifice anything.

I can't say whether she's physically abusing him or not, but she's clearly poisoning his mind. It's not 'normal' for a 13 year old boy to recite feminist tenets, ideas, ect. He should be reading sci-fi, playing games, playing outside or doing something that interest him. I'm nearly positive that feminism is not one of them. He's a kid, let him be one.

Overall, I feel for the kid. With him and his fucked up hormones, diabolical random erections, evil lust for the boobies. This may not be taken seriously because I am a destined member of 'The Patriarch', despite the fact I grew up in a matriarch.

And I must say thank you to whoever for making sure my matriarch wasn't a penis-hating batshit fucking insane womyn.

[Anonymous]

I lol'd.

[Alex]

"(I) hate myself for not pouring him down the sink at Planned Parenthood or grabbing a rusty coathanger and doing the job myself even if it killed me."

This quote was not made by BitingBeaver, but was made as a reply by a user named "Anonymom" to BitingBeaver's post (see BitingBeaver's Encyclopedia Dramatica article for proof.) I suspect this is where the libel murmurs are coming from. Most likely an innocent mistake, but you might want to edit your post to clear this up.

[Anonymous]

"Why is it that the gals most interested in abortion are the last one's you'd want to $#&#$, anyway?"

RW, if I recall the Carlin line correctly, it went, "You ever seem to notice how women who are against abortion are women you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?". Still, I laughed anyway.

Anyway, to get to the issue at hand, is this for real? Does this Biting Beaver, as well as many other feminazis, actually believe this? Do they really believe that a boy going through puberty, learning about the way his body truly works, exercising ways at learning through looking at pornography by going through the act of masturbation is really going to lead to future harm against other women?

I'm having difficulty believing this is true and not just a crock of BS. I just can't grasp the idea that any caring parent, feminazi or not, would think such things about their child, or put "their fellow sisters" ahead of their child, regardless of gender. Do you love your child? If you answered yes, then don't go around saying you wished you had aborted him when he goes and does what's natural to him and his body, or "crimes against women" as I suppose you might see it. Or would that be spelled womyn? Pardon me if my proper spelling is incorrect.

I read the Encyclopedia Dramatica article. If this woman, and indeed all other feminazis, are for real on this, then yes, they are batshit crazy. I really hope Anonymous succeeds in his efforts, as I always do. I just hope that he can be saved.

[Marshal Banana]

I can only hope that these radical fems see all the well-reasoned outrage in these comments, as Anonymous's attacks, while effective to a certain degree, seem to only result in a lot of them screaming "See! See! Our hatred is completely justified!"

[Anonymous]

i love it how all you crabby old cunts backtrack to defend one of your psychotic members of your little community here. the Encyclopedia dramatica article also had links to her blog where she says the she wishes she had Killed her son before birth.

what makes me laugh even more was that one bitch that actually said "(I) hate myself for not pouring him down the sink at Planned Parenthood or grabbing a rusty coathanger and doing the job myself even if it killed me."

I don't she said this, but I do think she posted that "I wish I could aborted him."

as if saying that was any better.

thats like saying "oh, i didnt say that i would gouge out your eyes and skullfuck you to death, but i did say I'd kill you" as if the magnitude of the death was somehow okay because the threat wasn't graphic

fucking idiots

[Klaus luvs ED and praises Anonymous.]

@ Anonymous (Saturday, August 11, 2007 at 09:42 PM)

Read the entirety of the post before you come forth with your angry piss-poor thoughts. I wasn't defending the lady.

I was trying to accurate, what's the point of condemning the nut through misinformation. If it turns out she didn't say that what else is false?

"as if the magnitude of the death was somehow okay because the threat wasn't graphic"

One is better than the other in this case because one makes her 'batshit crazy' while the other says 'she's a bit of a nut'.

People will see a difference between 'She died in an accident.' and 'She died through intense skull fuckery'.

@Marshal Banana
They have persecution complexes regardless. They (feminazi's) will always have one because they lack a penis. Any male who disagrees (with them) is a apart of The Patriarch and any female who disagrees they accuse of being male or brainwashed by The Patriarch.

(not checked for grammar and/or spelling)

[Brett]

Libel?

A prog's first instinct is to punish his opponents. It's what makes their political philosophy so evil.

[Lily H.]

Very, very odd post. I am frightened for the souls of Biting Beaver's sons.
I consider myself a feminist, and have raised a son to adulthood, along
with his sister, and have always tempered my views on my belief systems
with allowing my son to retain as much male identity as I could allow,
with parental, NOT feminist reasoning.
While I never saw my son view porn online, he had a penchant for
pasting up girlie pics on his bedroom wall when he was younger. I asked
him if he could relocate the "gallery" on a less-viewed wall away from
the door, and he complied with my wishes with nary an argument.
I had the foresight to ask him on another occasion, just to gauge
how he felt about the women in the photos, "Would you talk to them if
they had clothes on?" He most surprisingly replied "yes", without blink-
in an eyelash. From what I could perceive, he not only appreciated the
fantasy vision they represented, but in other roles than pin-up girls.

He treats his younger sister with love and respect, not because I
pumped him full of feminist doctrine, but because I raised him and his
sister in a home filled with love, warmth and security, something
Biting Beaver may have been lacking.
Quite by odd co-incidence, which prompted me to respond to this
article and forum, was during those years, we had a back neighbor who
was a full-on, card-carrying feminist who conceived her son from a one-
night fling and was bound and determined to raise this kid within a
very dominant feminist mind-view. Mom was probably nearly forty,
struggling through graduate school, and her son was then about three
years old. Suffice to say, this boy was hyperactive, to say the least,
and seemed to possess a very healthy dislike for his mother, in which
he acted out continuously, disobeying Mom's weak-kneed entreaties to
"use your inside voice", etc, etc.
She was anti-spanking, and tried vainly to get him to obey her,
despite his temper tantrums, and making himself heavy to make his
mother drag his stocky-built frame by one arm, flailing the whole time.
I can't tell you how many times I got fed up by witnessing this futile
attempts of parenting by a seemingly intelligent, older mother. Even
my own children got exasperated by this endless cycle. On one occasion,
this brat pushed my daughter (one year younger and much smaller than he)
down a full set of cement apartment stairs.
In the meanwhile, Mom was putting herself through school as a Master
of Fine Arts, metalsmithing/jewelry making. This would be the end of
the story, but there would be a more recent development, again, by co-
incidence. Years later, my son, who was several years older than the
brat, was sent to a small neighborhood charter school, where, who would
turn up as a fellow student? None other than that same kid!
His mom regarded herself as a highly cultured type, certainly one
who would have exposed her child to the most top-drawer level educa-
tional opportunities available. Why her son wound up in our lowly charter
school (specializing in high-risk, disadvantaged kids) was truly a
mystery. When my son tried to interact with his former neighbor, the
boy came off with a very stand-offish, detached attitude. I can only
wonder what must have developed between his toddler years to his teens.
In a way, I was/am glad I was spared this calamity. I hadn't heard any
recent news about Mom, except she found her career as an art instructor
at a local art school, and holds workshops in her trade.
I feel pity for the poor son she so shoddily raised. I can't imagine
where or how he's doing nowadays. Another feminist casualty...

[Anonymous Myn]

I remember Biting Beaver back when she was the mom in The Manchurian Candidate. And again as the mom in Psycho. And again as the mom in Ed Gein.

Believing that everyone around you (or half of them, anyway) are just biding their time before they rape you or someone like you is, in a word, schizophrenic. This woman is mentally ill. Anyone who defends her is mentally ill. Anyone who tolerates her behavior is mentally ill. It's really that simple.