If you read The Drudge Report, you know he gets off on the weather, though he doesn't, as a rule, push Global Warming. The screen cap is an item he has up right now.
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LAS VEGAS HAS ISSUED AN EXCESSIVE
HEAT WARNING... 122 TO 127 IN DEATH VALLEY...
Must be Global Warming, right? Perhaps not. They re-located some weather censors in ... Death Valley in the nineties and are now producing a trend that, some argued in 2002, objective data does not support. And those Death Valley temps are not really outside of past norms, or close to the record in even cooler parts of Death Valley.
Ow! Gore deserves a re-appearance for this one. See here for more, including temp. trend graphics.
There is one all-time hot record that is the ultimate global prize: 58°C (136°F) set at Al Aziziya, Libya, in 1922. This was the hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere in the world and has stood for 80 years in spite of real or imagined `global warming".
Instead, the NASA Ames Research Center (ARC), has set up their own temperature instrument in Death Valley, even though there is already a long-standing instrument at Furnace Creek right in the open central part of the valley.
The new instrument is located 20 miles south of Furnace Creek at Badwater (Fig.1).The photo shows the Badwater area with a large salt pan stretching into the far distance, caused by evaporation of salty water welling up from a spring just metres this side of the sign shown in the photo.
It was at Furnace Creek that the all-time hottest record in the USA was broken, 57°C. ( 134°F.) in 1913, just 2°F short of the Libyan all-time record.
The GISS historical data for Death Valley (i.e. Furnace Creek) is presented left and shows no overall warming at Death Valley since the 1950s.
If there is a media announcement of a record being broken at Death Valley, the skeptical observer should immediately demand to know if the record was broken at Furnace Creek, or at Badwater. If it is Furnace Creek, then the record will be quite genuine. But if it is Badwater, then the record will be a complete fake.
The temps currently being projected do not approach the record at either location.
I don't totally understand the point you are trying to make.
Are you saying that our planets average temperatures are not rising?
If furnace creek breaks the heat record, does that mean it is rising?
Posted by: moldy | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 01:09 AM
"...other guys smearing eggs on him?"
That sounds like one of your queery fantasies, Bob.
Posted by: templar knight | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Horray! Climate != Weather
Dan once again flexes his complete lack of meteorological knowledge! Thus, demonstrating that a single point on earth isn't quite as hot as it was in 1913 on a specific day of the year proves... absolutely nothing about the global climate!
Get back to your Libbybating.
Posted by: IslamoLlama | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 10:51 AM
".......There is one all-time hot record that is the ultimate global prize: 58°C (136°F) set at Al Aziziya, Libya, in 1922. This was the hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere in the world and has stood for 80 years in spite of real or imagined `global warming".
Well, if there _was_ a consistent trend toward global warming, dontcha think that the old record would have been broken many times as the planet gets consistently warmer and warmer?
Posted by: seekeronos | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 02:00 PM
"Well, if there _was_ a consistent trend toward global warming, dontcha think that the old record would have been broken many times as the planet gets consistently warmer and warmer?"
That's an interesting hypothesis, why don't you do some scientific research and investigate it?
Posted by: IslamoLlama | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Why don't some of these global warming scientitsts sucking the government tit do some scientific research on it, IslamoZiffy? That would be a better question.
Posted by: templar knight | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 04:02 PM
Temp, you boggle the mind sometimes.
Posted by: IslamoLlama | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 05:50 PM
"Temp, you boggle the mind sometimes."
How so...?
I'm not a government-funded scientist paid to research these things --- but even I can see that there is something fishy going on when you have somewhere that is chronically hot all the time, and it fails to get warmer in a manner commensurate with what Algore says is happening.
I mean, we are talking about a climate pattern that hasn't otherwise changes in over 85 years. If things were getting hotter, that record would have been exceeded. Frequently, and especially so in recent years, if the polar caps are a-melting, the polar bears are a-swimming, and the Sahara is glassing over from all that heatr!
Posted by: seekeronos | Tuesday, July 03, 2007 at 10:11 PM
seek,
I was under the impression that the argument in the scientific community was 'why' the climate was warming - not 'if'. Are you saying that you don't think the climate is warming?
moldy
Posted by: moldy | Wednesday, July 04, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Yup. At least not on a consistent, worldwide basis. I think that there might be regional warmings and coolings and changes in climate which are brought on by ancient geological processes well beyond the scope of our ability to observe them _knowledgeably_ in our species' known history.
That is to say, there are periods of glaciation (ice ages) and thawing whose time to cycle is measured in centuries at the shortest, and tens of millennia closer to the average.
Posted by: seekeronos | Friday, July 06, 2007 at 01:02 PM