Why Attack In Scotland?

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Some officials suggest an attack in Glasgow is linked to yesterday's event in London. There are good reasons for that.

GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) - Two men rammed a flaming sport utility vehicle into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing into the glass doors at the entrance and sparking a fire, witnesses said. Police said two suspects were arrested.

New PM Gordon Brown is Scottish and the Queen is visiting the Scottish Parliament according to this headline. For now, Whitehall is not linking the events. Injuries are being reported. One of the two "Asian looking men" arrested was said to have looked very composed as he was led away. Witnesses claim it looked as if some accelerant was employed, but there's also a strange report of a car accident prior to the incident.

Experts believe that the latest incident suggests the possibility of a wide ranging organised attack against British targets, especially key tourists areas. Glasgow airport would today have seen many British tourists heading out of the UK after schools closed yesterday.

The latest attacks comes just hours after the appointment of Gordon Brown as Prime Minister. Brown is himself Scottish. Whitehall however this evening refused to link the London attacks to the latest attack in Glasgow. No links have also been established between the incident at Ibiza airport today and the attacks in the UK.

Here's a good detailed account:

He said the car "raced across the central reservation and went straight into the building."

Strathclyde police say told two vehicles had been involved in a collision just outside the airport at approximately 3.15pm today, and that one of the vehicles had burst into flames as a result of the accident.

They later confirmed that a car had been driven into the front of Terminal One - the main terminal of Glasgow Airport, and two people have been arrested in connection with the incident.

She said: "As soon as I left the building there was black smoke gushing out where the car had obviously been driven into the airport.

She told how one of the men suspected of being behind the attack, who had himself been on fire "seemed very composed" as he was led away by police.

Scott Leeson was at the airport awaiting the arrival of a colleague when the Jeep rammed into the terminal building.

He said: "The car came speeding past at about 30mph. It was approaching the building quickly.

"Then the driver swerved the car around so he could ram straight into the door. He must have been trying to smash straight through.

"Luckily he did not get the car too far in. He just managed to get the nose of the jeep inside.

"I spoke to an airport official who seemed to think that it was not an accident.

"He was very angry. He said the men in the car got out and started throwing petrol about - that must be how it caught fire.

Another witness has said how he saw one the men from the vehicle appeared to throw a can of petrol over himself and the vehicle.

Comments

[jolari]

Up to the date info being posted by residents of the UK @

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709387&page=4

[southdakotaboy]

Looks like AlQada has stopped going for the big bang and is now just going for as many little hits as they can. If they get a big death toll it would just be viewed as a bonus.
This switch in tactics is going to cause us much more trouble then any attempts to score the "Big One". When the muslims try to make a huge attack they have a much more limited set of options and means. With a lesser scale attack they actually increase their chances of avoiding detection and being able to carry out the attack. The next step I would look for is attacks on shopping malls. These might not even be real physical attacks at first. What the terrorists might start off with would be a series of bomb threats in a certain location or region.
This campaign could be carried out in a series of stepps that would increase in violence. The first step would be bomb threats, these threats would cause economic trouble and social disruption at first. Only after they had reached a point of dimminishing returns would they start with physical attacks. These attacks could include but would not be limited to random shootings and bombings. The mall shooting in Utah might have been an attempt to see what effect it would have. Once the terrorists could no longer hit these targets at will they could then switch back to threats which would still shut things down and cause problems.

[nowingker]

HOw can you be so sure it was Al Quaeda, the witnesses said the men were Asian.

A winger replay of the VA college student who WingerLand was 200% convinced was a muslim terrorist, a Manchurian Candidate or who at the very least did it on his own but due to affiliation w/muslim ideology??!! How'd that prediction work out for ya?

[Buzzy]

We would say Arab while in EU they typically call them "Asians" is my first thought although you should be aware that Islam is the fastest growing religion in many "Asian" countries. You were aware that Muslim is a religion and political set and not a race aren't you winky?

As for the VA incident, apparently you bought the government's "nothing to see here" line on that one old boy. I guess you do believe the government when it suits your purpose. Maybe you're basing your opinion on the fact he didn't have an al Qaeda membership card in his wallet. You are aware that he expoused jihadist views, including the establishment of sharia law in the US... aren't you? Just how do you define the problem, how do you identify the enemy in this war? I've found that those definitions are the main difference between right and left here in the US given that the DEMs don't believe that the Islamist are at war with the US and "Death to America" is just a right to free speech extended to people who have never been here.

[nowingker]

Good lord, it is RIDICULOUS to say that Europeans don't know the difference between a freaking Asian and a Middle Eastern person.

Yes, I know that there are Asian muslims, but those Asian muslims are not part of Al Quaeda.

As I remember the nut who shots up the VA college also had a lot of Jesus Christ ideation in his rantings. If you are still trying to blame that tragedy on radical islam you are way too far gone for me to bother with.

[Philip McDaniel]

For a Brit, the comment on being an Asian would generally conjure up someone from the Indian subcontinent.

[jolari]

Good lord, it is RIDICULOUS to say that Europeans don't know the difference between a freaking Asian and a Middle Eastern person.

Yes, I know that there are Asian muslims, but those Asian muslims are not part of Al Quaeda.

As I remember the nut who shots up the VA college also had a lot of Jesus Christ ideation in his rantings. If you are still trying to blame that tragedy on radical islam you are way too far gone for me to bother with.

Posted by: nowingker | Saturday, June 30, 2007 at 03:47 PM

The UK reporters have made it clear today that they use the term "Asian" in a different way than the citizens of USA. Any person from any country in Asia is considered Asian by them

[nowingker]

Sorry, I can only say "huh"

I would hope that a person from an Asian country would be considered Asian, especially you know, if witnesses said they LOOKED Asian.

Wingers never learn. Oh how well I remember that the "MSM" had reported the VA shooter being "Asian" was just them being politcally correct, even though, of course, they were reporting what the WITNESSES SAID, and then I remember being lectured that just because he really was Asian, didnt' mean he wasn't also a Muslim, and then when both those asinine theories were debunked the LGF nutters went on and on about how he must have had 'training' and they were absolutely sure he was a terrorist plant.

The fact that all of those insane notions were totally, completely WRONG, means nothing to you...here you go again, exactly as before.

Maybe these guys are from the ME, maybe they are even Al Quaeda, but right now witnesses say they are ASIAN, maybe the witnesses are wrong and maybe not, but really, can't you stick to the facts EVER????????????????

[Jim Treacher]

Brits also call elevators "lifts," apartments are "flats," trucks are "lorries," etc. It's like they have their own slang or something.

And just because these guys were yelling "Allah! Allah!" doesn't necessarily make them Muslims. Maybe they were trying to say, "All a' you, get away from the flames!" Think about that one, wingnuts!

[Philip McDaniel]

'"All a' you, get away from the flames!" Think about that one, wingnuts!'
LOL
Not bloody likely!

[Jim Treacher]

Or soccer hooligans. Isn't Allahakhbar one of the Scottish teams?

[jolari]

Maybe this will help someone who has difficulty in accepting other countries use of the word "Asian."

"Police subdued the driver and a passenger, both described by witnesses as South Asian — a term used to refer to people from Pakistan, Afghanistan and other countries in the region — arresting them and taking one to the hospital. Witnesses said one of the men was engulfed in flames and spoke "gibberish" as an official used a fire extinguisher to douse the fire."

[Buzzy]

Sorry Winky I thought you were referring to the VA Muslim who ran down all those kids on the quad with his jeep Cherokee screaming Allah Akbar. You were obviously talking about the Korean nutjob shooting students.

Looking about I realize it was the Muslim driver in North Carolina

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/blosser200603081346.asp

Maybe it was the Muslim cab driver who ran down the people in Virginia. Sorry that was in Tennessee.

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/02/19/muslim_cabbie_who_ran_over_two_students_becomes_an_extremist_islamofascist.php

Sorry it's just hard to keep all the religion of peace attacks straight.

[Buzzy]

OK, here it is... nope this one is in San Francisco and he ran over Jews.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Popal083006

[nowingker]

See Buzzy, your paranoia makes me want to play devil's advocate and find a bunch of stories about crazy Christians who kill their own children because Satan is going to git em, or who kill other people--hookers, doctors who perform abortions--because this is what Baby Jesus told them to do. Crazy comes in all stripes and all religions and surely you don't consider, for example, the Iranian nut job who ran over his college chums as a "terrorist" in any real sense other than he's a disturbed nut trying to make a politcal statement in his own mind.

I would be shocked if the guys in Scottland were NOT Pakistani, but that doesn't make them Al Quaeda, for whatever reason, and it would be most excellent if someone spent some time trying to figure it out, England appears to be full of Pakistanis living off the state who think jihad is way cool and hip. Why? I have no idea but somebody better figure it out soon because THEY are the real threat, not Hezbollah, Hamas or anybody else, but the local guy down at the fish and chips store who has gotten a strangely romatic view of killing his fellow citizens and thinks its not only cool, but righteous.

These guys may or may not be 'professionals' in that they were trained or affiliated with any actual terrorist group, they may or may not be local, deranged, misguided freaks, like the guys in NJ, who think Jihad is cool and want to try it.

We don't know. Talking about this attack like it is for certain Al Quada is pretty pointless until more information is known.

[southdakotaboy]

Several things. First nowingker I am sure women around the world are overjoyed that you have cured postpartum depression. Thanks for explaining it as being due to Christianity, Jesus and Satan. Now you just need to go and cure cancer and we will be set.
Secondly AlQada has in many of its video statements called for muslims in Western countries to rise up and preform random acts of terrorism. AlQada also recently released a video showing groups of suicide bombers graduateing from a scuicde school. Then you add in the fact that Alqada itself calls itself an umbrella group. It is for those reasons that I used the term AlQada to make the point I did.
So besides the whole name thing nowingker do you have any other twisted leaps of logic to contribute?

[nowingker]

Silly me, I have the crazy idea that its very helpful to determine exactly WHO is conducting these attacks and WHY in order to better (a) apprehend the guilty (b) fight the people and the ideology.

Of course, its much easier to lump Hamas/Hezbollah/Al Quaeda/Islamic Jihad/Fatah/Al Sadr's Army/Local Paki Down The Pub all together and not worry about any differences in strategy, ideology, etc.

Except, its not too intelligent or efficient, otherwise, go team!

[Phoenix]

I'd like to know what your career is, Nowinger. Whatever it is, it involves linear and analytical thinking. I can be analytical but I'm sure not very linear. At any rate, I don't much care what name the latest virgin-seekers call themselves. Their goal is always the same - kill infidels.

I think I heard that the Scotland attempt was connected to the London attempts. I've just sent out a query.

What gives me the willies is the guy pouring gasoline on himself after the failed explosion. Fighting an enemy who wants to die? Can it get any more creepy or difficult. I'm still reading that book about WWII, and 90% of the strategy of the fighting is counting on the other side's desire to live.

[Phoenix]

They think they were Pakistani and part of the group that did the 7/7 bombing. And they're arresting more from Northern England.

[nowingker]

What gives me the willies is that in all probability these guys have been in the UK for YEARS, all the benefits of the "West"...a degree of upward mobility, no matter how limited, nobody starving or freezing to death or dying for lack of antibiotics, no honor killings [legal anyway], and THIS is what they want to do? Kill civilians at an airport, don't even bother w/a military target, go straight to families traveling on holiday. Nice.

However, I do think its very important to differentiate disenfranchised freaks who think its glorious to die a 'martyr's death and people who are actually part of terrorist organizations and have access to to training and tools that the Pakistani working at his uncle's grocery store doesn't. They are two different kinds of dangers and need two different but integrated strategies. The Pakistani living in England who romanticizes jihad is dangerous, but he may be turned back toward sanity w/the right levers, carrots and sticks, the guy who is already a card carrying member of a terrorist group needs to be taken out of action.

[d. walker]

attack in scotland because the new PM is from glasgow..

[Buzzy]

My main problem with how Bush and the world in general has responded to the attacks of the past 25 years or so is that they always play up bin Laden or al Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah and refuse to accept that it is radical Islam that is the enemy of everyone who will not submit to their religion. We can call them Islamists or Jihadis but the fact remains that there is a large portion of the Muslim religion that has declared war on Christians, Atheists, Gays, Boy Scouts, Democrats, Republicans and every other person who does not submit to their religion or pay a tax (jizya) and accept the way of life they allow for non believers in their religion.

The Islamists admit that they are at War with us, they call it Jihad or Holy War. Only since 9/11/2001 has America understood that we are at war even though more than 9 major attacks were made against us before that date.

The people at war with us go by many names but their aim is the same. If you want to understand these people better Winky you only have to read the Koran, visit some of the myriad Islamist websites. Once you understand these people either you will look at any incident involving a Muslim with a great deal of suspicion or you truly have you head deep in the sand.

[Buzzy]

Winky, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it is most likely a duck. Are we to differentiate real terrorists and those who just want to be real terrorists. Makes no difference if they kill you now does it.

[Fred Beloit]

winkaline is a malicious idiot or an Islamist, one or the other. There is no other possibility.

[nowingker]

Its the difference between being assassinated and killed by a random criminal in a hold up. You are dead either way, but finding your killer and preventing the next assassination or random murder/hold up depends on knowing what happened and which type of criminal was involved.

[Fred Beloit]

Terrorists who want to kill people for political or religious reasons are NOT criminals but warriors of the worst kind. If you capture one, he is a prisoner of war. How do we know they are making war, call it jihad if you wish? Bbecause they say so.

[nowingker]

I think its stupid to elevate every individual who commits a terrorist attack into an 'enemy combatant' in the 'war on terror'...unless they are part of a terrorist network, got funding, backing, advice from a terrorist organization they should be tried as the common criminals they are. It is a waste of resources to put idiot Pakistani clerks and disgruntled arab college students who feel discriminated against and go on a loner 'jihad' in the same class as Al Quaeda operatives who have been trained to conduct effective attacks and have access to an intellgence network. Of course, since its totally dumb it is absolutely what WingerWorld advises.

[southdakotaboy]

nowingker calls the right's approach to terrorism dumb and yet he advocates going back to the same system of fighting terrorism that got us to this point in the first place. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks nowingker.

[nowingker]

So, anyone can sit here at my computer, write a manifesto and declare war on the United States and that would make then an 'enemy combatant' who, when apprehended would be sent to a military prison?

Don't think so, whether the manifesto did or did not use jihadist language or muslim doctrine, an individual would not really be 'at war' with the U.S. and if this individual committed a terrorist act, if they acted alone, based on their own 'war' with the U.S. they would get sent to PRISON as it should be.

The problem with wingers is they are either too stupid, too racist, too uneducated or too kill crazy to bother figuring out who the 'enemy' is and so to make it simple they declare 'we are at war with Islam' and thus, any muslim that commits a crime is a defacto 'terrorist' and 'enemy combatant' no matter what. But coming from the same contingent that thought the flying Imams were doing a 'dry run' and that the arab college kids caught with too many cell phones [oh the horror!] were also 'really' terrorists and doing a dry run, it isn't surprising.

[Fred Beloit]

Oh my gosh. Now she is denying the flying imams were doing a dry run. Unbelievable! Tell us they were just saying their regular prayers like the peace-loving jihadists they are. -- http://michellemalkin.com/2006/11/21/flying-imams-leaping-cair/

[nowingker]

Fred, if you think the imams were doing a terrorist dry run then you are absofuckinglutely too stupid for me to waste my time and this is my last response to you!

You are trapped in Winger Fantasy Land where all muslims are terrorists, even those who hold senior positions in organizations that are moderate and who attend conferences on improving relations with non muslims and preach moderation.

[Fred Beloit]

YES! I DID IT. I DID IT. FREE AT LAST. FREE AT LAST.

[bloodrage bob]

why attack scotland?

many theories abound, but the most popular seem to be:

1) muslim idiots lash out due to extreme embarrassment over flirting with skirt-wearing scots with fabulously muscled legs who turn out to be men. "men wearing sexy skirts is against islam!"

2) muslim idiots lash out in fury over inability to decipher scottish brogues. "talking with funny accents is against islam!"

3) revenge attacks in retribution over being tricked into eating haggis. "they said it would taste good! practical jokes is against islam!!"

[Philip McDaniel]

Here is something for the winklet to contemplate: While it is true, so far, that not all Muslims are terrorists, it is true that all the terrorists in the last few years have been Muslims.
From my vantage point, the enemy IS Islamic. This cult will have to change its form -- otherwise sooner or later Western civilization will be compelled to deal with it decisively.

[Althor]

"Muslims Are Gonna Get'cha": New Lyrics To Old Gloria Estefan Conga The Latest Rave In The UK
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I know that being a farce, though a very poignant one in light of recent events in the UK, that maybe this post should have been made under the heading of "HUMOR", but in spite of whatever dark humor it may posses, its satire starkly exposes one of the greatest tragedies to befall Western Civilization, and that is our own effeminate, affectated, "politically correct" inability to identify the Islamic threat for what it really is and has always been; and said dismal failure to recognize this looming threat may very well spell our doom!

Many of us sugar-coat Islam as a "Religion of Peace", and fail to recognize this "War on Terror" that has been thrust unwittingly upon us, as the inevitable clash of Western Civilization with this barbaric, tribal, bestial, murderous,
intolerant culture of death, that has no respect for life whatsoever, and no moral scruples in achieving its temporal goals in its lust for power and world dominance.

From its satanic inception, Islam has been but a blight of woe and bloodshed upon humanity. In spite of whatever so called "moderate Muslim" apologists may claim as to "Jihad really being an esoterical struggle of enlightenment within one's soul" in their wishful thinking of rationalizing to themselves and others all that they themselves find immoral and highly reprehensible in the faith they practice, the blunt reality suffered by the myriad innocent peoples throughout history mercilessly slaughtered and enslaved under the yoke and oppression of Islam - converted by the accursed false prophet and his sword, and witnessed by history - is an incontrovertible fact!

The apologists for Islam, all those rationalizing the very evil inherent in it, may apologize for all the carnage and barbarity until they are blue in the face, but the stark reality is that the "Jihad" waged by the prophet himself (Piss be Upon Him) was not a "spiritual" one but a bloody bath of murder, pillage, rape, enslavement, and "conversion"
and conquest waged by his sword and with his own hand; and the Koran does calls Muslims to engage in such barbarous and merciless struggle against all who oppose it, and the imposition of its "Sharia" and its accursed prophet on all people. It's the Jihadist terrorists who are truly following
the Koran to the letter of the law, not the rational
"apologists", and it's about time we face that shocking and unnerving reality and how it defines Muslims!

All our "apologia", and every other way we may wish to spin it, is just throwing sand in the wind like children and having it blow back in our faces - literally "blown-up"- and as much as we may stick our heads in the ground and pretend this is not so, and as much as we may make-believe and sugar-coat it, the problem is Islam itself, and the Muslims are out to get us - we may refuse to listen, but they have not made it a secret, but rather keep making it perfectly clear time and again.

In light of the events unfolding in the UK, isn't it high time that such imbeciles as Madam Pelosi, and her brood of yellow-bellied, defeatist, "Let's all go back to a pre-9/11 mentality and sing Kumbaya with the terrorists" Democrats would OPEN THEIR EYES?

Isn't time for them to look at Islam and Muslims for what they really are, and the threat they not only pose to our very survival as a nation but verily to Western Civilization, and take their heads out of the sand - or in many cases out of their arses - and face reality for a change?

Anyway, I hear that after the events of the last days in Great Britain, Gloria Estefan has re-released her 80's hit "Rhythm is gonna get'cha" with new more appropriate lyrics for the times, and that it is fast becoming all the rave across the pond! Here it is:

(To be sang to Gloria Estefan's "Rhythm is gonna get'cha" Conga hit from the 80's)

I know you can't control the Muslims any longer

Feel the rhythm of the bombings getting stronger

Don't you fight, just stick your head in the sand

Do the Jihad beat

Everybody gather 'round now

let your body feel the blast heat.

Don't you worry if you can't run

let the panic move your feet.

In Congress when you turn off all the lights

There's no place Pelosi can hide

Oh no, the Muslims are gonna get'cha

The Muslims are gonna get'cha

Muslims are gonna get'cha

Muslims are gonna get'cha

Muslims are gonna get'cha - unless you get them first!

But seriously now, isn't it time to stop all the
"politically correct" effeminateness madness and call "a spade a spade" and stop frisking and harassing hapless Nordic seventy two-year old grandmothers and go through their knitting, while we let a bearded Muslim with a Koran in hand, wearing a turban and a heavy jacket in 98 degrees heat - strapped with explosives, go through our security points unchallenged lest we "profile" the terrorist S.O.B.?!?!

Damn right if you are a Muslim you are a potential terrorist, and should be treated accordingly! When was the last time you heard Christians, Hindus, Buddhist, Animists, or Jains strapping themselves with explosives and blowing themselves up in order to kill innocent people?!?! If you are a decent law abiding Muslim, I would suggest you convert to a more "innocuous" faith. Hell, even an atheist is potentially less harmful than a Muslim Jihadist hell-bent in fulfilling the murderous precepts of his barbaric faith!

If anything, the events in London and Glasgow amply demonstrate that in spite of all the hysterics by the left and the Democrats, we not only need the Patriot Act, and the NSA surveillance, but must expand such programs, integrate such preventive measures, and must pre-empt the terrorist if we are to survive; not to say we need plenty more "Guantanamos"!

The unfolding events in Britain are making it poignantly clear we must stop playing games with ourselves and face the savage realities in which we are engulfed...but then, there are none so blind as those who will not see - and that, in the face of the Islamic Muslim threat we face, is no joke!

Althor

From Hyscience:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2007/07/muslims_are_gon.php

[Phoenix]

BB's three reasons to attack Scotland. Ha Ha Ha.

You made me die laughing.... Thanks! :)

[Phil McDaniel]

Althor; very well said!

[seekeronos]

Nowingie... how can you NOT say that the "Flying Imams" were not either doing a "dry run", or if not that, then at least trying to play Victim Politics by using thier apprehension as a publicity stunt (to say nothing of probably lawsuit damages they will win) ?

The loud praying might have been annoying, but not sufficient reason to detain them. However, add up all of the rest of the unusual behaviours, and you get something that is worth stopping them for.