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But dammit, I have a wide distrust of the United States here lately too.

This is a must-see if you are unfamiliar with...Rage Boy. Keep scrolling down for more Islamist photo propaganda. (Hint to the Boob: I understand he is single.) Note how most of the shots are close-ups. This indicates no large crowd. They use close-ups when there are only a few protesters present. http://www.nopc.info/forum/showthread.php?t=21501

We need to get rid of all the current crop of pols in Washington and start over.

Wait, I thought we didn't care about image, because even if the rest of the world hates us we can get by on our giant sacks full of money and our unstoppable military might.

The US is the pre-eminent world power. Distrust is part of the landscape. Happened with Britain, France, ... Rome, Greece ...

It's irrelevant.

Everyone loved British modernism in India, just not the Brits. Everyone loved Roman plumbing and roads, but not the Romans.

Don't get offended. We've *arrived*. We're top dog. We need to stop trying to act like one of the gang. ...Or else cede top totem and become one of the gang again.

IslamoLlama whines: "I thought we didn't care about image, because even if the rest of the world hates us we can get by on our giant sacks full of money and our unstoppable military might"...

Hmmm, just curious panderer to terrorist towel heads, how did you come up with such a bizzare opinion?

Just asking is all...

"Hmmm, just curious panderer to terrorist towel heads, how did you come up with such a bizzare opinion?"

Check the backlogs. Dan's stated belief is that American image doesn't (shouldn't?) matter. Torture, secret prisions, war mongering, ostrosizing the UN... none of that really matters so long as we've got guns and money.

Have always preferred reputation (what one has done, how one has acted) to image (how one would like to be perceived). Image can be bought and paid for like software, movies, and can openers. Reputation usually wins out in the end, however. We ought to continue to do what's right and reputation will follow. Now, Llama, I have given you ample cause for another rant about outrageous and untrue charges we have all heard before. Have fun, all three of you.

*rolls eyes*
These outrageous and untrue charges are... ? The secret prisons the CIA has confessed to? The photographic evidence of torture at Abu Garaib? The repeated, documented, lies the White House has propogated concerning WMDs and the Saddam-9/11 link?

Seriously? Come on, man. Please don't ask us to choose between your lips and our lying eyes.

As Henry Gomez said (referring to Cubans trying to flee) "the rafts are only going in one direction".

This is tangentially related to the subject: http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/michaelledeen/. Religious leaders in Iraq join to condemn al-Qaeda.

Yes, Llama, you got it and right on time.

Islamaquala write: "The secret prisons the CIA has confessed to?" If they admitted to them, they must no longer be secret. "The photographic evidence of torture at Abu Garaib [sic]?" Embarrassing for those photographed. But, if embarrassment were torture, you would be dead by now since you embarrass yourself here every day. The US perpetrators, a few enlisted personnel, were accused, tried, and are now in prison. How many of the real torturers among the enemy have been put on trial by al-Qaeda? "The repeated, documented, lies the White House has propogated [sic] concerning WMDs and the Saddam-9/11 link?" You must mean Bill Clinton's White House, he was the first President to make this case; it is on videotape. Very lame, quala.

I'll add a few letters to 'image' and challenge Llama's narrow view.

Use your imagination for a minute and imagine the U.S. sealed off 100% in every way possible from all countries.

What do you suppose would happen? Imagine that the U.S. completely disappears from the planet tomorrow. What would the result be worldwide?

Fred,

Embarrassing how libs think in such narrow confines and emphasize the same idiotic things as 'oh-so-bad'. They lack the ability to think in 'what-if' terms and that's walking up a one-way street to chaos. Futuristic sight is not in their cognitive capabilities.

It comes from fixating on the blame game.

Phoenix, Quala would buy a magnum of champaign and a few pounds of pork chops and celebrate. Oh wait. Never mind. Make that a pint of buttermilk and some falafel.

Yeah, and they, or at least and most especially the Quala, all three of them, are almost insanely repetitive of old material that just doesn't fly anymore.

My god, Fred. Do you even read what you write before you post it?

You managed to work "embarassment is the same thing as being electrocuted", "once a secret prison is uncovered it was never really secret", and "Bill Clinton made us invade Iraq!" into a single paragraph. Amazing.

You could write for the New York Post. Or the Enquirer.

"What do you suppose would happen? Imagine that the U.S. completely disappears from the planet tomorrow. What would the result be worldwide?"

A drastic reduction in greenhouse gases?

Please show evidence of a guilty verdict of some American military who electrocuted someone.

Here you are, Iguana, you poor soul. View this evidence, all invited to do the same. Afterward, take the towel off you head, face Mecca and say: "You were right Fred. I apologize. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmwASJKCDc

Iguana, I would insist you show your a-- before I forgive you, but you already have.

As I said, Fred - Zero ability to take the wide view. They are disabled. Islamo qualifies for disability - flatlined cognitive skills.

It seems they can only repeat what kos tells them, over and over again.

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'What do you suppose would happen? Imagine that the U.S. completely disappears from the planet tomorrow. What would the result be worldwide?'

A drastic reduction in greenhouse gases? ---"

Heh, maybe only a little.

You'd have to zap the Chinese though, they've done passed us as the number one producer of greenhouse gases. Although, the way some of our lunatic lefties here foam and belch forth the "holy gospel according to Kos", we are still in the running.

"The secret prisons the CIA has confessed to?"

Different ... how? from
1] what has always been, and
2] what every other nation has of their own?

"The photographic evidence of torture at Abu Garaib?"

There was no "photographic evidence of torture". At Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, or anywhere else.

There was photographic evidence of "mistreatment" at Abu Ghraib. They are two separate and distinct things.


"The repeated, documented, lies the White House has propogated concerning WMDs and the Saddam-9/11 link?"

For someone who purports to be so politically attuned, you're coming off as a naive little twit. ...or a partisan hack, take your pick.

First, many of the "documented lies" are not so documented as you wish to believe -- you need to close one eye, stand on tiptoes and have at least two fingers crossed in order to see some of them as "lies"; and second, to the degree that many of the individual statments are strictly *inaccurate* -- what in the hell do you expect?

1] this is defense-related foreign intel stuff, not federal highway dollars, being discussed. AT BEST you're going to get the tiniest fraction of the available data, and a large portion of it will be wrong -- deliberately. You may not know this, or if you do, not appreciate it, but foreigners who wish us harm read the same newspapers as you do. You start spitting out Grade-A Gospel defense intel, we're suddenly at the advantage of the whole planet. There's much misdirection in what we get told. You got fooled by it? Oh well... That's a price the nation's willing to pay no matter who's in office.

2] These are politicians doing the talking. Their job is to either get re-elected or to get the country to dance around the flagpole. In either case, they're going to say whatever they think they need to in order to reach their immediate objective. You got fooled by *that*? They don't care, and they never will. ...no matter which politician you're talking about.

Good god, get a grip!

"There's much misdirection in what we get told... ... That's a price the nation's willing to pay no matter who's in office."

This is the way it's always been, and frankly, if it was any other way, it would entail a gross breach of our security. These people screaming we have a right to know - no, you don't have a right to know.

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