Was UPJ Behind Memorial Day Vandalism?

Many of you have likely been reading about the military graves having been vandalized on Memorial Day.

The vandals who desecrated the graves of U.S. veterans over the Memorial Day weekend were professionals, says a Vietnam vet who kept night watch at the cemetery in Washington State.

No one has taken responsibility for back-to-back flag desecrations at the Woodlawn Cemetery in Orcas Island, Wash., according to San Juan County Sheriff Bill Cumming.

Here's a fellow I might want to ask some questions. Or perhaps some other members of United for Peace and Justice.

WASHINGTON - It's not every day that Luke Ryan, an innkeeper from Washington state, yells at a congressman's chief of staff.

"I'm just furious. My mind is blown," said Ryan, 37 of Orcas Island, in a meeting Monday with the staff of Rep. Rick Larsen, D-Wash., to protest the war in Iraq.

Ryan, along with nine other activists from his state, were part of a coordinated lobbying day by United for Peace and Justice, a non-profit coalition that organized Saturday's anti-war rally on the National Mall.

Comments

[Not a CIA Agent]

"attempting to deduce the reason for someone desecrating a grave? teen prankster, political statement, whatever...."

No no no. The wingers have it nailed down. The only reason these flags would be planted is some sort of anti-war protest movement by radical left-wing hate groups who may or may not be - according to Ennis - Iranian Marxists from North Korea's Cuban Embassy. I bet those flags were even paid for out of George Soros's pocket.

We know this because we have an eye witness account of peace protestors on the opposite side of the country, lobbying their Senator.

Now that we've got that myster solved, where's Osama?

[Evan]

This post, along with the comments here, is a garbage-slinging attempt to associate persons and organizations critical of the US government and its policies with grave-desecrating scumbags. It is based on no actual evidence, just your opinion that people who criticize the US hate soldiers and would therefore plant swastikas on military graves.

[Fred Beloit]

nowinker, are you opposed to an investigation of this desecration, during which the police might question anyone who they feel may be of interest? greenwing, I may owe you an apology for I might have misconstrued your comment. If it was indeed ironic, please forgive me. nowinker has the effect of numbing the brain and raising the sand.

[seekeronos]

Heh. You libs are off yer meds again. Typical.

Where in Dan's post here did he _authoritatively_ assert that the UFPJ bloke Luke Ryan, or his people within the UFPJ as the perpretrator of the grave desecrations?

I could be wrong, but as I read it, he is only making a speculation that there may be a link.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Or did you libs toss that right out the window the moment you contracted BDS?

As for the swastika flags, just google up some images from anti-war protests, particularly ones conducted over the past few months in Portland, OR.

The same misguided hoodlums who were burning effigies of soldiers and defecating (pooping) on American flags would be of the same broken minds and mental disturbance of someone who would go about a cemetary planting swastika flags and (sic) burning small USA flags mounted near veterans' gravestones.

A common theme these would-be crypto-anarchists is within their troubled, ungrateful, minds which are infested with the maggots of selfishness and spite for America is to equate the Armed Services of the United States with the WW2 German Wehrmacht, and Bush as Hitler.

Ergo, what better way for such folks as these, than to express the dim workings of their rage-addled, doped up brains than to resort to such vile acts as defiling someone's grave?

As for the REAL doings of the American "nazis" and white nationalists and assorted other villians of that stripe, they are too busy enlisting in the Army for the purpose of getting free training for the great race war/ethnic cleansing they've been dying to launch here in North America to bother with desecrating graves, even Jewish ones, which as one of the commenters astutely pointed out, would have been a far more likely choice for a Nazi-sympathizer/WN/WS/anti-semite to have targeted.

Read more here >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1180584000&en=bd10fc3226cbddc3&ei=5070

[nowingker]

The POINT here is that Dan has no 'in' with the local police he is purely speculating in a disgusting manner, inferring that a specific person who he goes on to name should be investigated solely based on his political views.

Maybe this example will help you. If an abortion clinic is bombed, it is unlikely that the local Planned Parenthood director is responsible, though not impossible. It is also unlikely that JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AGAINST ABORTION you are also FOR bombing abortion clinics. So, on that basis, it is also unlikely that the local Catholic priest or Baptist minister would be investigated solely on the basis of their being agaisnt abortion. Get it?

Political views are not evidence in a criminal investigation.

Smearing this guy is disgusting.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"nowinker, are you opposed to an investigation of this desecration, during which the police might question anyone who they feel may be of interest?"

Ten hours of waterboarding. If they confess, they were clearly guilty. Why do you hate Law and Order, Nowingker?

[nowingker]

On second thought, you are right. Every member of this peace group should be shipped out to Syria for some 'interrogation' then we'll get those confessions and prove how right the wingers are!

[Fred Beloit]

Calm down, Evan, we all know that all those in the peace movement, even those hooded gentlemen who were recently video-taped defecating on the flag, are responsible citizens who have every right to attack the Government in word and deed, well legal deed, which this clearly was not. And we must never forget that these and other peace-lovers are fond of volunteer soldiers, and I'm quite sure the soldiers know it. But, are you opposed to the police asking the local leaders of this and any other peace organizations some questions? Are you saying the police have no right to ask certain people or classes of people questions?

[Fred Beloit]

The only way to treat nowinker when she gets ridiculous is to pay absolutely no attention to her until she regains reason.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"Where in Dan's post here did he _authoritatively_ assert that the UFPJ bloke Luke Ryan, or his people within the UFPJ as the perpretrator of the grave desecrations?

I could be wrong, but as I read it, he is only making a speculation that there may be a link."

Wow. Those goalposts are all over the place. You're never going to score any points that way.

[nowingker]

On what basis would the police ask anti war activists questions about this crime?

Hows about the first thing the police do is interview people in the area who might have seen something going on in the area? Hows about they analyze the crime scene, look for physical evidence, tire tracks and whatnot.

For all you know the individual that Dan is smearing is well known and liked in his community and the police know for a fact he would never be involved in such an act. For all any of you nuts know the guy was out playing pool with the police at the time of the crime and has an ironclad alibi.

If you actually believe that simply by being against the war it should make one a suspect in committing a crime it is no wonder you morons think torture is the best way to get information and want to throw Nancy Pelosi in prison and have Bush disband Congress.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"even those hooded gentlemen who were recently video-taped defecating on the flag"

Something just came out of someone's ass, that's for sure. Do you have a link to any of this, or have we entered the realm of rampant imaginative accusation?

Perhaps Fred should let the police do the police work. Or maybe he could call the police right away and say he's got a big lead on the crime. Heck, we should put you and Dan in charge of the investigation since you seem to know so much about the criminal liberal minds.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"If you actually believe that simply by being against the war it should make one a suspect in committing a crime it is no wonder you morons think torture is the best way to get information and want to throw Nancy Pelosi in prison and have Bush disband Congress."

They've been suggesting that ever since November.

[seekeronos]

Nowingker:

I get your point. However, Luke Ryan _may_ be of particular interest for questioning. I don't think Dan called for his _arrest_, much less expect that a judge would even serve a warrant for Luke's arrest in light of a very tenous connection of being from the same town where this desecration occurred.

Police questioning is not necessarily the same thing as an arrest: if Luke refuses to answer questions, he is free to do so until such time as a warrant is served, or Luke does something stupid enough to be observed by a police officer as "probable cause" for arrest.

Is Luke's political affiliation any cause for investigation? Generally, I'd say not, unless that political affiliation was known to sponsor or be sponsored by unlawful activities, groups and persons - which _may_ be the case, if it can be proven that UFPJ, in fact, does things and endorses activities of a legally questionable nature.

Using your abortion clinic as an example, I'd probably not question a priest whose parish was in the general vicinity of the clinic as to a potential involvement in a (supposed) attack, unless there was some reasonable suspicion that that priest, had a (supposed) distant but somewhat well known affiliation to people who belonged to a terror organization like the "Army of God".

Personally, I think that the police in Orca would be negligent if they do not attempt to question Luke on any possible connections to the desecration. The man just might have a few leads, or none at all.

Presuming of course, that he is in fact, an upstanding citizen with views significantly left of center, and in opposition to current the administration's policy.

[Fred Beloit]

Not, old chap, I'm beginning to think you are just another of nowinker's sockpuppets. The reason is you say a lot but never answer simple questions. Mr. Lukas, from Pickle City, Wash.(pop. @ 5000), goes to DC, where he bangs on the walls of Congress and says his mind is blown because Congress won't stop the war. Some group, I say group because of the number of graves desecrated, desecrates graves in Pickle City, Wash (pop. @ 5000). (1) Do the police have a right to initiate an investigation of this crime? (2) Is it legal for them to question anyone they feel may have information helpful to their investigation? Could you please answer these two simple questions?

[nowingker]

I may be wrong but I think that vandalizing cemetaries tends to be something done by drunk teenagers, not adult anti war activists who are upstanding enough to get a meeting in Washington with their Congressman. Maybe the local school principle should be hauled in for questioning, too?

It is horrible to be speculating that this man could be involved in a crime only because he's against the war and for no other reason. If he had a history of civil disobedience including damaging property, then Dan might have grounds. He doesn't.

This is Winger Character Assassination 101.

It presumes that all people against the war are capable of a criminal act, hate the troops and hate the troops SO MUCH they are capable of desecrating their graves. 1+1=5000000.

According to wingers if one anti war activists does something criminal that means ALL anti war activists support it. Pure stupidity.

[Fred Beloit]

Not, awaiting your reply.

[nowingker]

Why do you ask stupid questions like that?

DUH, I mean really?

Of course the police should investigate the crime and follow up on all leads.

Dan's post, however, smears a specific individual, indicating that the police should question this specific person solely because he has protested the war.

Protesting the war in Washington DC is not 'evidence' or any kind of probable cause that this person was involved in any way shape or form with this crime. What about that can't you comprehend???

[Fred Beloit]

Patiently awaiting the reply of Not a CIA Agent. No hurry at all.

[nowingker]

Was Dan Riehl behind the prostitute killings in Atlantic City?

Dan lives in New Jersey and he has blogged many derogatory things about women, even so far as accusing Valerie Plame of being a prostitute, he has also blogged often about his support for violence.

See how it goes.....

[seekeronos]

Speaking for myself, I believe all people are capable of committing any crime and any particular time for any particular reason. It is called "sin".

However, there is an important balance to this: patterns of law-breaking, patterns of thought which tend to act in concert with specific patterns of law-breaking.

Therefore, while all people against the war are _capable_ of committing a crime, most do not do so. Good common sense, and perhaps a godly fear of the Law intervene to restrain most of us at some of our worse moments of thinking.

A very select few actually are that foamingly mad to revert to acting upon lower-brainstem thinking which makes people poop on flags, burn effigies, and desecrate graves in a particular way.

I'll tell you what, when I was a high school kid, we'd often have keg parties in the back corner of a local cemetery that abutted some woods. Great place to party and bring a girl, if only for the "spookiness" factor.

Maybe one of the jocks would get stupidly drunk and pee on a headstone. That was really about the worst of it, aside from the litter of beer cups and cigarette butts or whatever.

There are probably a good many of us with similar experiences of youthful stupidity... but placing several dozens or hundreds of swastika flags on people's graves?

That's not a childhood prank. Maybe a knocking over a few headstones or something like that, but the scale of this exceeds teen stupidity and ventures into an act of protest turned criminal.

So yeah, nowingkker... the presumption is there to some degree, but in this case, the restraint was lacking. Some people DO hate the troops (as an extension of US foreign policy) so much that they'd stoop to something like grave desecration, but most people, probably from my generation and older, wouldn't dream of acting out upon their impulses.

Of course, my generation and my parent's generation are at no small amount of fault for neglecting the youth of today so much, that they feel defecation upon flags and burning effigies is the best way of getting the attention they lacked.

[Fred Beloit]

Oooooooohhhhhhhhh I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times there...patiently awaiting Not a CIA Agent's reply. Amusing myself by singing an old tune like that and a newer tune like this: I'm not asking for much, just take me downtown and get me a little tush...

[nowingker]

In this case, I agree, it has the hallmarks of a 'war protest' acted out by morons, replacing American flags w/Nazi flags seems a strong sign it wasn't a random drunken prank, too much planning, also the police believe so many flags were replaced that it was a concerted effort.

None of that points to accusing peace groups or individuals as Dan has done. In fact, it seems highly unlikely that someone who got an audience w/his Congressman would stoop to such a pathetic act.

But, Dan doesn't care about the truth, he's a winger, so ALL he cares about it putting the idea of anti war activists desecrating military graves out there, he doenn't even care about sliming a probably innocent man or a group that almost certainly had nothing to do with this act.

All he wants to do is work up the base into a frothing at the mouth, kill the peace protesters because they ALL hate the troops frenzy.

He's pig with no more moral compass than whomever desecrated those graves.

[greenwing]

Well, if New Jersey had a total population of under 5,000, I would guess Dan would expect to be questioned. They probably could question everyone between 5-95 with that size population.

Nowinger, I see no attempt to smear in Dan's post at all.

Fred, next time I will be sure to put the /sarc

[Fred Beloit]

Well, hell is starting to freeze over. Not a CIA Agent either went back to Giupetto's puppet shop or is preparing such a long and convoluted reply that I wouldn't read it anyway. Ooooooooohhhhhhh every girl's crazy bout a sharp dressed man...

[Fred Beloit]

Thanks green.

[nowingker]

Not an attempt at smearing? Give me a break.

Dan wants to know if UPJ was behind the vandalism, but that's not smearing?

He cites no evidence of UPJ ever being involved in vandalism or violence or soldier hating to back up his infererence.

He goes one further and names a specific, American citizen who happens to live and run a business in the town and opines that the cops should question him, but that's not smearing.

I guess that is good old fashioned winger logic and detective work.

"Is the Pope behind abortion clinic bombings?"

That's called smearing. It is called character assassination of the worst sort.

[seekeronos]

I disagree. A smear would take the form of:

"The Pope is behind abortion clinic bombings, because the Catholic Church dogma teaches that abortion is an abomination before God"

A smear is an assertion of an untrue allegation, or an allegation that has no credible evidence to support it, as a fact.

Asking the question is not a smear - it may not be a wise question, or it may even fly in the face of facts or the observed good character of a person, but is not a smear in and of itself.

The UPJ (according to a link a commenter posted here) seems to be a front organization for a number of anti-American groups, all of which seem to have a common goal of either converting the USA into a socialist state after the European model, or otherwise subverting it if she won't be converted.

Luke Ryan's connection to this as a lobbyist for that group may mean he knows something about the grave desecrations.

To suggest that he is guilty, or to assert that he _is_ connected, could be construed as a smear. However, to ask the question, or to seek his cooperation in gathering information about the event, is well within the scope of legal police procedure.

And if Luke Ryan is contacted for questioning, and if he is of such a fine upstanding and reputable character as we presume him to be, then it is likely that he should have no problem cooperating with any investigation that seeks his cooperation.

[nowingker]

Is the RNC behind MLK's assassination?

That's not a smear? Again, give me a break. I am SURE I can dig up plenty of on the record racists who belonged to the R party at the time of King's assassination.

In fact, there is MORE evidence the R were behind MLK's assissination than that this peace group is behind the grave desecration since I see NO INFORMATION that the group has ever been accused or involved in any similar vandalism or endorsement of violence or attacks against the troops.

All Dan has is a group that is agaisnt the war and from there he jumps to insinuating they were behind this crime and names a person of interest. Sorry guys, that is as unAmerican as it gets.

Guilt by association, guilt by inference. Guilty first, then get evidence.

[Dan Riehl]

Today's question: Should liberals be tattooed with an L for liberal, or an M for Moron? Mebbe both?

As if suggesting a place as a start for asking some questions equals accusing someone. Of course, it actually does on the increasingly Stalinist Left in America.

Liberalism today is the epitomy of the un-enlightened masses and they need to be crushed, they're dangerous. Obama, Clinton - they're all revealing themselves to be socialists and the moronic liberals commenting here are just more of the same.

[jong]

Most Americans are against the war but I still think this applies to Dan and his "questions" for anti-war Americans:

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[nowingker]

Oh Dan, don't play it cute, the HEADLINE of your stupid, fascist, moronic post is "WAS UPJ BEHIND MEMORIAL DAY VANDALISM?"

You and your cadre of liars, slimer and attack dogs are the dangerous ones.

"Was George Bush behind 9/11?"

Now, does that sound like a suggestion or a place to start or an accusation you idiot?

[Fred Beloit]

Not a CIA Agent asked for this linkthhttp://www.portlandtribune.com/opinion/story.php?story_id=117459283544877600 regarding "peace demonstrators" defecating on an American flag.

[Fred Beloit]

Gee, Erica, I didn't know you were so good at plagiarism. It must be great to have a skill to fall back on should times get tough.

[jong]

Dan's Amerika: If you're anti-war, you're guilty. No presumption of innocence. No evidence, no facts, no connection. Don't support our policies? We're gonna arrest you. Maybe use a few 'enhanced interrogation' techniques to get to the truth.

[LOL]

This post is a microcosm of the wingnuts' desire to embrace totalitarianism.

1. An attack is made upon something we cherish by an as-yet unknown entity.

2. We know people out in the world who we want to punish.

3. We punish these people we suspect, while lying to ourselves a little about our evidence against them.

4. When it turns out that there was no strong evidence for punishing them, we say, well they were a threat anyways: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud of Nazi flags!"

Wingnuts just want to lock up and detain those killing of thought crimes, just as Pentagon wingnuts just wanted to knock out Saddam under any pretense.

[LOL]

This post is a microcosm of the wingnuts' desire to embrace totalitarianism.

1. An attack is made upon something we cherish by an as-yet unknown entity.

2. We know people out in the world who we want to punish.

3. We punish these people we suspect, while lying to ourselves a little about our evidence against them.

4. When it turns out that there was no strong evidence for punishing them, we say, well they were a threat anyways: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud of Nazi flags!"

Wingnuts just want to lock up and detain those guilty of thought crimes, just as Pentagon wingnuts just wanted to knock out Saddam under any pretense.

[LOL]

sorry, corrected a typo in 2nd

[LOL]

Dan Dan Dan

you can't convince me that you think being "Stalinist" is bad, when you desire to imprison and "crush" your political opposition. We all know who the real authoritarians are here. Who's the one demanding the government rush in and protect him because he's oh so scared? Do you need to be burped, little baby?

[nowingker]

The troubling and dangerous thing about the wingers is they are completely blind to reality or facts.

They really believe that being against the war makes you a traitor, that EVERYONE who is agasint the war sympathizes with the terrorists, hates the troops and should be silenced, one way or the other.

They really believe Iraq is 'winnable' and the only thing keeping us from a glorious victory is the MSM and the Demcratic Party, apparently the Dems are so powerful they can thwart a war while being unable to win the presidency, or even get their own Congressional members to follow orders.

They are completely delusional, unable and unwilling to think logically or base anything on facts in evidence. I've said it a million times, this is no different than the inquisition and the witch hunts.

[jong]

Dan asks: "Today's question: Should liberals be tattooed with an L for liberal, or an M for Moron? Mebbe both?

and

"Liberalism today is the epitomy of the un-enlightened masses and they need to be crushed,"

Germany 1938: Dan pulls on his jackboots, looking forward to a long day of "questioning" and "arrests".

Sieg HEIL, Dan

[nowingker]

I wish Dan would make up his mind.

I thought the Democrats were all rich, hypocrites and now I find out today they're all SOCIALISTS and that's why they need to be 'crushed'

I doubt Dan knows what a socialist is, he figures its safer than calling them communists, but still sounds scary to the rest of the wingers.

[seekeronos]

The Libs are in full BDS meltdown... yikes.

"Was George Bush behind 9/11?"

No, as that is completely preposterous, even when asked in a hyperbolic sense to try to make a point.

"Was Luke Ryan of Orca Flats, WA behind the grave desececrations in the town of the same name"?

No, probably not. The only potential - and somewhat far-fetched, IMO - link was his membership in a radical (i.e., non-mainstream) socialist consortium of lobbies which happen to opposed to the war, among other leftist agendas.... which means that he might know some people by several degrees of separation that may have had something to do with this crime.

That's it.

Pure. And. Simple.

Now, nobody here is talking about rounding him up and waterboarding him other than a few of the more deranged moonbat commenters here.

Nor does anyone want to intern the average antiwar protestor. They are surely annoying, but they have largely done nothing worthy of arrest, aside from maybe the flag-pooper-onners (who should be cited for indecent exposure or lewd conduct, if no means of citing them for disrespecting the flag is possible).

Let us say that Luke was as mouth-frothingly mad, totally beset by wicked fantasies driven by his rampant BDS... yet if he is a lobbyist who values his career or ability to lobby... only a fool would go so far as to "foul his own bed", by allowing himself to be linked to a crime such as this in his own hometown.

If anything, he would probably have the foresight to cooperate the police if or when they did choose to contact him, being the smart young man that he is.

And Iraq is "winnable", if we have the desire and the grit to stick it out until a proper puppet government can be stood up.

[nowingker]

PS,

Danny might want to rethink that forceable tattooing idea...what with the Nazis having done that back in the day and all.

Just sayin.

[nowingker]

A radical, non mainstream consortium of socialists? Oh really.

Among the members are the Center for Constitutional Rights, Friends of the Earth, Iraq Veterans Against the War, NOW and Greenpeace. I would hardly call these groups radical or out of the mainstream.

But, I guess in wingerland all the environmental groups are de facto socialist, communist groups that worship the Earth and want to seize control by the global warming 'hoax' and I guess NOW is some kind of socialist, goddess worshipping type group. Okay, got it.

You people are truly deranged.

[Fred Beloit]

Dan, you must have lent these folks money at some point. Only owing someone money could elicit such unreasoning dislike. Of course these are only about two or three people using a host of monikers. nowinger uses so many she forgets what they are and even evolves over a few weeks from nowinger to nowinker to the most recent nowingker. Today she also used Not a CIA Agent and then forgot she was using it. Her passions outrun her brains by a country mile. Too bad she doesn't put that passion into something more useful than hyperbole.

[templar knight]

wingie, in your part of the country, I suppose NOW membership is common, but I don't know, nor have I ever known anyone who has been a member of NOW. If you look at the small membership of NOW, it is hardly mainstream anywhere but with the wicked witches on the East and West coasts.

As for those other groups of freaks, hippies, anarchists, and assorted Left-wing nuts and misfits who make up UPJ, they are hardly mainstream anywhere but in Looney Leftland. You really ought to get out more, wingie, if you think this bunch of deranged misfits is mainstream. Of course, you are probably one of them yourself, so you are hardly an objective source.

[jong]

About 2/3's of Americans want us out of Iraq, that makes UPJ a hell of a lot more mainstream than, say, the Republican party.

[nowingker]

Oh good grief, just because you neanderthals all think constitutional rights are only for pussies and that global warming is a hoax, doesn't mean any organization that supports these things is out of the mainstream.

I'm sure you also think the National Audobon Society and the Sierra Club are made up of freaks, hippies and nuts.

You all know that Dan is full of s***t about accusing this group of any involvement in the cemetary vandalism, you all know that this anti war group is not full of socialists, but you cannot stand to admit any one of the winger fold is wrong, so you will defend Dan's idiotic post to the death, no matter what kind of stupidity you have to claim.

But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised since you wingers also think the Democratic Party is controlled by communists and socialists... This country is doomed.

[seekeronos]

Actually, tattooing non-capital offenders might not be a bad idea at all. But that's off topic.

Not all of the UPJ's minions are radical socialists, but a good many are:

* 50 Years is Enough Network (socialist)

* After Downing Street Coalition (not sure, but have heard them mentioned numerous times in the context of socialist movements)

* Black Radical Congress (BRC --- heh, this one admits openly to being radical)

* Campus Greens (most "green parties" are crypto-socialists)

* CODEPINK: Women for Peace - National (also linked to International ANSWER, a well known group with Marxist underpinnings)

* Commitees of Correspondence for Democracy & Socialism - (duh, another socialist group!)

* Communist Party USA (Gee, I wonder if they are a bunch of godless commies?)

* Democracy Rising

* Democratic Socialists of America

* Freedom Road Socialist Organization - (more self-admitted socialists)

* Freedom Socialist Party - (still more Sozis)

* Green Party of the United States (Ralph Nader's baby... and he is about as red as they come)

* Greenpeace (anti-nationalist/one-worlder government socialists with a glossing over of Gaea worship)

* International Socialist Organization (Oh, looky... Another sozialist group!)

* League of Revolutionaries for a New America (scary sounding name... ya think?)

* Left Turn (Doh!)

* National Organization for Women (N.O.W. - not exactly socialist, but their crusade to crush the "Evil Patriarchy" puts them in bed with the Sozis on a recurring basis)

* Socialist Alternative (Doh!)

* Socialist Party USA - (Doh!)

* Solidarity (Lech Walesa's baby. Quite far to the left, but not as bad as the Soviet Commies)

* US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation (Not necessary socialist, but plays up to the Islamists and seeks to destroy Israel)

* Young Communist League (Doh!)

* Young Democratic Socialists of America (Doh!)

So yeah, nowinkger... that looks like quite a few UPJ member organizations that are quite out of the mainstream, and some that are even rabidly radical and bent on deposing the USA or Israel.