Was UPJ Behind Memorial Day Vandalism?

Many of you have likely been reading about the military graves having been vandalized on Memorial Day.

The vandals who desecrated the graves of U.S. veterans over the Memorial Day weekend were professionals, says a Vietnam vet who kept night watch at the cemetery in Washington State.

No one has taken responsibility for back-to-back flag desecrations at the Woodlawn Cemetery in Orcas Island, Wash., according to San Juan County Sheriff Bill Cumming.

Here's a fellow I might want to ask some questions. Or perhaps some other members of United for Peace and Justice.

WASHINGTON - It's not every day that Luke Ryan, an innkeeper from Washington state, yells at a congressman's chief of staff.

"I'm just furious. My mind is blown," said Ryan, 37 of Orcas Island, in a meeting Monday with the staff of Rep. Rick Larsen, D-Wash., to protest the war in Iraq.

Ryan, along with nine other activists from his state, were part of a coordinated lobbying day by United for Peace and Justice, a non-profit coalition that organized Saturday's anti-war rally on the National Mall.

Comments

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

Disgusting!

It makes me shudder just imagining the shame and heartbreak the grandparents and great grandparents of the responsible parties will feel once these vandals' faces and names are known to everyone.

If you cannot get it together enough to show respect for others, at least get it together enough to not disgrace generations of your own family by your actions.

Disgusting!

[The Disgruntled Chemist]

Wait, are you saying that United for Peace and Justice is a Nazi front group? Because the Fox News story only says that the flags were either burned by Nazis (if you believe the VFW guy) or by a group of vandals unaffiliated with any organization (if you believe the Sheriff).

Also, the UPJ rally was in Washington D.C. and the flags were burned in Washington state. Why does the fact that they were lobbying on the entire opposite side of the country make them suspect?

This post just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something incredibly subtle, but I kind of doubt it.

[Not a CIA Agent]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

I hear they also infiltrated the CIA and added Valarie Plame's name to the "covert" rolls.

[BARRASSO]

Plame was totally covert and you would have to be a liar and a communist to think otherwise no matter how many facts there are!!

[Purple Avenger]

Just showing their "patriotic" "dissent".

Graves are easy though, the residents don't fight back.

[greenwing]

And in the Philadelphia suburbs:

As veterans and their families filtered in to a local American Legion on Memorial Day, they found a somber scene.

Swastikas were sprayed all over the Manoa American Legion building in Delaware County, prevalently displayed and polluting the patriotic look of the veterans’ sanctuary.

"I was just shocked to think that someone would come to a place like this and desecrate it with a swastika,” said Phil Miller of American Legion Manoa Post 667. “Especially on Memorial Day. It's just horrible.”

Some volunteers spent the day of honor and remembrance painting over the fresh swastika graffiti that tarnished the post.

Police were still investigating the vandalism.
Copyright 2007 by NBC10.com

[Phoenix]

Acts such as these serve one purpose: To add fuel to a simmering fire of dismay and disgust from ordinary people who usually remain quiet until they've had enough. Those who commit these acts of vandalism are too stupid to see that they're defeating themselves because they will drown in the backlash that is sure to come from the section of society made up of people of character.

[LOL]

rofl Dan confused washington state with DC, this is definitely a high point in your career of stupidity!

What's funnier is the wingnut commenters who gobble it up, never even closely looking at your post.

[Quaker in a Basement]

Just checking to see if I understand: you're insinuating that Mr. Ryan is involved in a crime on the evidence that 1) he opposes the war, and 2) he is from the area where the crime occured?

On that basis, what crimes can we lay at your door?

[Purple Mushroom]

Haha. Wow. That is dumb. I can't wait for Dan to completely ignore this massive inconsistancy and post another three or four links detailing how UPJ has had a long and established history associated with the Nazi Party. Maybe Ace of Spades can bust out some keen investigative journalism like he did on the Larry Johnson's memo scope.
Should I like to the crazied spittle-spewing accusation post?
http://minx.cc/?post=227970
Or the half-assed mea culpa?
http://minx.cc/?post=228126
Heh. What a patriot, eh?

Better yet, maybe Dan can enlighten us about the fine young men our military is currently drawing into its ranks? Are these flags defamitory gestures... or recruiting tools?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1180584000&en=bd10fc3226cbddc3&ei=5070
Maybe this is just a little way for the American Nazi Party to show how much they support our noble Bush Administration?

[Phoenix]

Why are you all gloating over something so petty? You don't know if this guy Ryan is involved. Who cares? The vandalism is outrageous and has the same effect no matter where it takes place. Why don't you decry it?

[templar knight]

Purple Mushroom, you dumb ass, Dan isn't alleging that these people are associated with the Nazis, he is suggesting that the shits who desecrated the cemetary put up the Swaztikas as an affront to our military. Jesus, you liberals are just plain, downright stupid.

And we all know that the area in question is not a hotbed of Nazis with a history of supporting our military, but a hotbed of crazy liberals and leftists who oppose our military.

You liberals have outdone yourselves with stupidity tonight. Frankly, I thought you boys couldn't get any more stupid, but you proved me wrong.

[Lord Nazh]

What happened to the rest of the page? (or is it just me that only sees one story on this whole site??)

[Darth Malice]

The people that did this are pond scum!

[Cindi]

ATTN DUMB ASS:

Follow the bouncing ball.K?

May 27: Vandals burned dozens of small U.S. flags decorating veterans' gravesites in ORCAS ISLAND, WASHINGTON.

ARE YOU FOLLOWING?

WASHINGTON - It's not every day that Luke Ryan, an innkeeper from Washington state, yells at a congressman's chief of staff.

"I'm just furious. My mind is blown," said Ryan, 37 of ORCAS ISLAND

GET THE CONNECTION YET?'

Wasn't all that hard to figure out. DUMBASS'S

[Cindi]

Haha. Wow. That is dumb. I can't wait for Dan to completely ignore this massive inconsistancy
Posted by: Purple Mushroom | Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 09:47 PM

incosistancy? lay off the mushroom's honey.

Maybe I'm missing something incredibly subtle, but I kind of doubt it.

Posted by: The Disgruntled Chemist | Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 05:21 PM

Yeppers, you missed it. Here's your sign.

rofl Dan confused washington state with DC, this is definitely a high point in your career of stupidity!
What's funnier is the wingnut commenters who gobble it up, never even closely looking at your post.

Posted by: LOL | Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 09:22 PM

Need eyeglasses do you LOL? Speaking of someone not following closely. You don't deserve a sign. You should get the entire house on your head. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[R.L.Page]

This is one of those parody sites, ... isn't it?

[Purple Avenger]

"You liberals have outdone yourselves with stupidity tonight. "

They ran out of spray paint. They're frustrated.

[LOL]

Wait Cindi, so Ryan, who was on the other side of the country, was involved in this scheme because he's from the same town as where it happened?

[LOL]

"Wasn't all that hard to figure out. DUMBASS'S"

Of course, this quote makes it hard for me to take you seriously. Are you pretending to be a stupid wingnut in order to troll me? If so, well done.

[Bill Adkins]

Wait - I see now. Because Ryan is from Orcas, Washington and Orcas is where the vandalism occurred, it makes Ryan a suspect. Stop the presses!! Martin Luther King was killed in Memphis -- and Elvis is from Memphis. Headline: "Was Elvis Behind MLK Assassination?"

[BobInStamford]

Hahahaha. This site is the domain of heroes AND detectives. Luke Ryan is clearly an evil-doer. Thank you for your service, patriots!!

Incidently, the SURGE is WORKING!!!!

[seekeronos]

Notice how the unwashed latte-sipping hippies here complete ignore the fact that graves were desecrated, American flags were burnt, and like to harp on some minor point about someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If you mouth-foamingly mad liberals had any fibre of patriotism in yourselves, you'd be outraged at the vicious acts done by these miscreants... regardless of their political affiliation or lack thereof.

The fact is, you support these criminals if only because they hate America, you hate the idea of serving and sacrifice for the good of the nation, and you hate the idea that their sacrifice is a very large part of what made America great.

No, you are quite content to see America slide into the ash-heap of third-world ignominy at the hands of her enemies, rather than feel sorrow and even anger against those socialists and one-worlders who would ravage her and enslave her people.

Yellow-bellied, knock-kneed cowards, soggy milquetoasts and backstabbing, despicable traitors you all are, every one of you who support and applaud these scum by your lack of outrage or even concern for this grave insult (no pun inteneded) against the memories and sacrifices of our forefathers.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"Notice how the unwashed latte-sipping hippies here complete ignore the fact that graves were desecrated, American flags were burnt, and like to harp on some minor point about someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Gee, you're right Seek. In all this talk about smearing the UPJ organization on baseless grounds, we completely forgot to get angry at the Nazis. Why oh why won't someone stop us from decending into the brute third-world ignorance and cowardace by randomly pointing fingers at peace organizations and accusing them of being Nazi sympathizers? Because, if there's one thing that makes a country strong, its a big fat scapegoat.

"this grave insult"

Ah, good. You can still make jokes about the dead. I was worried you were concerned with respect.

[templar knight]

Uh, Not a Cia Agent, and the rest of you dumb liberals, no one is suggesting these people who did this are Nazis. Dan is suggesting that perhaps some followers of a deranged guy(you know, Luke Ryan, the one who shouts at his Congressman), might just be guilty of desecrating graves by putting swastikas on them. Considering that you dumb asses are constantly accusing soldiers, and conservatives, and others of being Nazis, as if you even knew what the hell the word means, it is a lead. Nothing more, but a man with common sense, something you liberals know nothing about, might just start an investigation by looking at these deranged liberals.

[Not a CIA Agent]

"Uh, Not a Cia Agent, and the rest of you dumb liberals, no one is suggesting these people who did this are Nazis."

Um... Temp? Why the fuck not?

[templar knight]

Because there has not been a rash of Nazis going around burning American flags and desecrating the graves and cemetaries of soldiers. If this had been a Jewish Cemetary, common sense(whoops, that phrase again) might lead me to suspect Nazis. The likelihood is that leftists are behind this, the same leftists who support Ryan and his deranged band. Of course, I said start your investigation there, if it leads elsewhere, fine.

[Fred Beloit]

Those who live in the rocks and shallow water under bridges are merely acting out the frustration resulting from the fact that their elected leaders have sold them out to stay in office. I refer to the war funding bill. Naturally they jump on anybody they think they can victimize to vent their fury. Some of us sympathize with them. Our leaders are letting us down with the immigration legislation, an undecipherable hodgepodge of compromises. Perhaps the people of the Left and Right might agree on one issue and get together to force it into law: Term Limits.

[danni]

testing.....

[Fred Beloit]

danni, testiculating

[nowingker]

How typical of Dan to have his last/almost last post be one of his trademarket nonsensical juxtapositions. Graves were vandalized in Washington State....peace protester from Washington State is in DC=pick him up and waterboard him! Too funny.

Any of you nutters notice that the blue ribbon intelligence group the gov. hired to advise them on intelligence gathering techniques says we did it better during WWII? and that '24' style interrogations are amateurish and don't yield results? Didn't think so.

Any of you nutters read the declassified info. that Valerie Plame was considered covert? Didn't think so.

Any nutters read that your brave media hero Rupert Murdoch says he's convinced global warmings is manmade and he's going to change FOX's coverage of it...kind makes it clear that FOX was never about objectivity, though doesn't it? Didn't think so.

Any of you nutters have a brain left? Didn't think so.

[Fred Beloit]

nowinker, I'm afraid your comments get more ridiculous every day. Why don't you go haunt some other blog for a change. It would do you and some of the rest of us a lot of good. Here are some suggestions: Confederate Yankee, Little Green Footballs, A Second Hand Conjecture, Eject Eject Eject. You will enjoy them because you will find plenty to dislike on them and people will actually read your comments there, for only a short time of course.

[Evan]

This is a pretty vile insinuation, considering there's absolutely no evidence for a connection except your belief that anti-war people hate soldiers.

[danni]

danni, testiculating

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Wednesday, May 30, 2007 at 11:22 AM

hahahhhahhaahaha! think i know you....humor is familiar...lol.....

[Fred Beloit]

Yeah, Evan, you're shocked, shocked to think that anyone would get the idea that peace-above-all folks would dislike volunteer soldiers. I feel your pain.

[nowingker]

Yeah, absolutely, me mentioning FACTS is totally, like so much more ridiculous than Dan insinuating that some guy in DC at a peace protest needs to be questioned about vandalizing graves.

Totally, like, I get you, dude, my bad.

[Fred Beloit]

If I don't know you, danni, I would like to. Like people with a similar sense of humor (even if it is a bit...odd).

[Fred Beloit]

"...pick him up [a person whom nowinker calls a 'peace protestor' by FB]and waterboard him." This is a fact? I would, I think more accurately, describe such a person as a grave desecrater.

[Evan]

It's a vile insinuation because you have no idea who is responsible. The perpetrators obviously have no affection for fallen soldiers. UPJ is anti-war, and its representative is very upset that his senator voted to continue the war and hailed as a compromise a bill which demanded no restriction on continuing to fund the war.

There is, I repeat, no connection between these two events, except in the mind of people who believe that all advocates of stopping the war hate all soldiers.

[nowingker]

Huh? So now you've jumped through Dan's hoop and you actually believe this guy is responsible for desecrating the graves only because he's against the war? Good lord.

[Evan]

I missed the date on the second article; it's from back in January. Anyway, it's still the case that mentioning this guy as a suspect is a consequence of his being from that town, and your belief that all war opponents hate all soldiers.

[Fred Beloit]

But nowinker, do you not think that it is a bit counter productive for a "peace protester" ahaha (who, we are told by Evan, are folks who we should have no reason to believe dislike soldiers) to desecrate the graves of fallen soldiers? Do you think this is a smart way to demonstrate that the peace movement is composed of people with values? And, nowinker you called the desecrater a peace protester, not me. And, Evan, though certainly not evidence, the jerkwater town coincidence is interesting, wouldn't you say? Nowinker, I have no idea why you think I am blaming any individual. I simply tried to say anyone who did this is a grave desecrater. Even if it was a subteen prankster. Do you disagree?

[Not a CIA Agent]

"There is, I repeat, no connection between these two events, except in the mind of people who believe that all advocates of stopping the war hate all soldiers."

Nowingker, you're forgetting that in the previous thread these guys were totally convinced that Hitler was a member of the far-left wing of the Democratic Party.

The only logical conclusion is that these flags were planted by the Anti-War Nazi Party of America. Since all Democrats secretly sympathize with Nazis and want to kill the Jews while they spread their hate-God message by embracing radical Islam, the UPJ Nazi front-group was attempting to rally dead soldiers to their call through little white flags with swastikas on them. We know this because the flags and the protestors were both located in regions named "Washington".

With keen minds and sharp intellects like these, is it any wonder why we invaded Iraq in order to capture Osama Bin Laden?

[Ennis]

UFPJ is little more then a thin cover for who really makes up their "organization". UFPJ is a coalition of just about every anti-America organization in this country. It's leaders have ties with and get funding from North Korea, Cuba and Iran. They also are very heavily funded and supported by none other then Tereza Heinz (she dropped the -Kerry like a hot rock after 2004), George Soros and many of the other "usual suspects" of American moonbattery. Well, Soros and Heinz are not Americans-she is Portuguese and he is Hungarian. I did have to laugh during the 2004 Republican convention when they threw those big protests. Yes, the wife of the Democratic nominee PAID for those protests.

UNITED FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE (UFPJ)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6166

"UFPJ was officially created on October 25, 2002 in the Washington, DC offices of People For the American Way. Its initial membership consisted of approximately 70 organizations. Prior to UFPJ's founding, the anti-war movement had earned a reputation as a hodgepodge of radical elements. All the large-scale peace demonstrations to that point had been held under the auspices of International ANSWER, an organization aligned with the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party; Global Exchange, headed by the longtime pro-Castro communist Medea Benjamin; and Not In Our Name, a project organized by Ramsey Clark and fellow leaders of the Revolutionary Communist Party. United For Peace and Justice was created explicitly to put a milder face on the anti-war movement, although from its inception UFPJ shared with the aforementioned groups a passionate hatred for the United States and for capitalism.

The Co-Chair and principal leader of UFPJ is Leslie Cagan, an original founder of the Committees of Correspondence (a remnant organization created by the American Communist Party upon going out of business) and a strong supporter of Fidel Castro since the 1960s; Cagan proudly aligns her politics with those of Communist Cuba.

The breadth of UFPJ's agendas extends well beyond anti-war activism. Passionately anti-American, this group condemns virtually every aspect of U.S. foreign policy and domestic life. It impugns America's "daily assaults and attacks on poor and working people, on women, people of color, lesbians/gays and other sexual minorities, the disabled, and so many others." It asserts that "the government treats all immigrants as potential terrorist threats until proven innocent, in violation of the Constitution," thereby "expanding the scope and depth of racial injustice within the U.S.'"

Follow all the links to see what a lovely collection of traitors and seditionists these people are. These "peaceful people" do long for peace. Their idea of peacefulness is the death of this country and everyone in it. UFPJ IS a fifth column organization-they are the enemy.

[nowingker]

Where is there evidence the graves were descrated by a 'peace protester' vs. a drunk high school kid or a deranged Vietnam vet or a space alien? Doesn't exist except in your mind.

It seems kind of goes-without-saying-obvious that someone who descrates a grave or cemetary would be considered a grave desecrater, no?

It is simply more evidence that the winger mentalitly is to start with their conclusion and work backwards, finding evidence that supports the foregone conclusion they have reached, ignoring anything that doesn't fit the viewpoint.

[danni]

attempting to deduce the reason for someone desecrating a grave? teen prankster, political statement, whatever.... there is no valid reasonable nor acceptable explanation....simply sick unit...not being judgmental....ha!

[greenwing]

With a land area of 57.3 square miles (148.4 km²) and a population of 4,453 (2000 census), Orcas Island

Just a big coincidence - nothing to see here, move on folks!

[Fred Beloit]

nowinker, if you are addressing me, you are delerious. I just said what you have have repeated. No matter who did it, it was an act of grave desecration.

[nowingker]

Dan's post is very clear in its intent. A military cemetary was vandalized+An anti war activist lives in the same town where the cemetary was vandalized=the anti war activist should be questioned on the basis of his being an anti war activist and living in the same town.

Or, to say it another way, anyone who criticizes the government should automatically be suspected of committing crimes against the government, I believe in legal parlance that is called a 'chilling' effect.

[Fred Beloit]

greenwing, the head criminologist of interpol, has spoken. None dare entertain conjectures. Add this to the list of things that may not be uttered in universities.