Surge On, Dudes?

Aravosis may not be the best source, but he is tied into the liberal Dems. Problem is, is this being put out to drum up pushback from the Left early, or is their cause really lost? I can't say for sure.

BREAKING: Conservative Dems expected to vote with GOP to give Bush unfettered blank check on Iraq tomorrow

It's time to replace some conservative Democrats in Washington, DC. I just heard from an impeccable source that there is serious concern on the Hill that conservative Democrats in the House will vote with the Republicans to strip any and all restrictions from the Iraq supplemental tomorrow, effectively giving Bush all the money he wants with no restrictions and no effort to hold either him or the Iraq government accountable for anything. I.e., they will vote to continue this war along the same disastrous course because they're too afraid to challenge George Bush and his failed leadership. Let me reiterate: This isn't some idle rumor. The concerns are coming from Hill sources themselves.

Comments

[Knemon]

"It's time to replace some conservative Democrats in Washington, DC."

Ah, the Big Tent.

[southdakotaboy]

I this is true would anyone know when the vote is? I would like to be able to step outside at that time to hear the wailing and lamentations of the nutroots crowd. It should be so loud that I will be able to hear it all the way out here in South Dakota.
Do you think we should let the World Records people know about this? It is bound to make some sort of top list like maybe the largest number of left wing strokes...hehehehe.

[jong]

Actually, the Republicans are close to meltdown because they know if Iraq does't get better, a lot of them will be looking for new jobs come next electin. Eleven Republican Reps met with the President a couple days ago and didn't have a lot of good things to say.

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Brian, the Republican congressman then went on to say, “The word about the war and its progress cannot come from the White House or even you, Mr. President. There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.” The meeting lasted an hour and 15 minutes and was, in the words of one, “remarkable for the bluntness and no-holds-barred honesty in the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.”

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Republican Representatives telling the President he has no credibility on Iraq. Ouch!

[Fred Beloit]

But you also have no credibility on Iraq, Erica. Why? Because you opposed it from the beginning, as you oppose all wars. It wouldn't matter to you if the Iraq battles were going well or badly, since you are against battles. Now isn't that true? Yet you, and you under other net names, and some of the other multiple personalities who show up here, pretend that you are against the war because we are losing it, which is simply untrue. So, by this pretense, you have lost yo creds.

[southdakotaboy]

I do agree with those 11 on one main thing General Petraeus needs to be the one to sit in front of the country on national TV and let the country know whats going on. No holds bard. He needs to tell it all the good, the bad and the ugly.
It will never happen though because the Dems and the MSM can't let an honest evaluation of the war get out to the American people. If it ever did they would be sunk. Americans don't like people who want us to lose and thats what the Dems are working for. They have been aided and abetted by the msm who only show the bad news and little or no good news. Even when the msm shows some good news they play it down as much as they can.

[jong]

No Fred, I was for Afghanistan but I'm against stupid wars. And Iraq is the biggest fiasco in our history.

Fred, though, gets his pom poms out at every mention of war.

[Moonbat_One]

So some Democrats are going to side with the USA and not let al-Qaeda win in Iraq for self-serving and cynical political calculations?

Chilling.

[Fred Beloit]

:...I was for Afghanistan but I'm against stupid wars." writes Erica. So Bush has done well in Afghanistan, according to Erica. Erica feels Afghanistan was a smart Bush war. Question, are you still for the actions in Afghanistan, the war there now?

[jong]

Another clue for Pom Pom Fred, when eleven Republican representatives tell the President of the United States he has no credibility on the war he started, it's a BIG F***** DEAL.

Honest evaluation of the war? It's a mess. Period.

Oh yeah - the people we're fighting for? Their Parliament is planing to take a TWO FREAKING MONTH VACATION in July and August.

[Fred Beloit]

You are in a tight squeeze Erica, how about an answer. Are you still for the war in Afghanistan? Yours, Pom Pom

[Fred Beloit]

Common, Erica, you don't need to write a book rehashing all the old false charges. How about a short answer?

[southdakotaboy]

Jong by definition wars are messy that goes without saying. If you look at every major armed conflict the US has been in there have been many small and large disasters. We have done everything from carpet bomb our own troops (Patton's breakout from Normandy) to issue our troops guns that wouldn't fire if they got alittle dirty (first version of the M-16). Somewhere along the line the American public has come to the illogical conclusion that war should be some sort of easy, walk in the park. Wars should not be run by anyone other then those who train for it.

[Fred Beloit]

Well, guess one just has to answer for her. No, she is now against the war in Afghanistan. Why? Because bin-Laden and al-Qaeda's leadership are no longer there and she would say getting bin-Laden was the reason for the war there being a "smart" one. But using this logic, she falls into the bottomless pit. Because her logic would force her to now say going into Pakistan would also be a "smart" war, because that is where bin-Laden is now thought to be. But she could never bring herself to say anything like that, which is why she is either writing her old book or she will be forced to come back with a twisted and illogical answer (nothing new there).

[Fred Beloit]

Here is another really goofy quote from Erica, Dakota. "And Iraq is the biggest fiasco in our history."

[jong]

Read my post again Pom Pom. It's clear on what I think of Afghanistan. And name a bigger fiasco than Iraq.

Wars should be absolutely, positively the last resort. Iraq wasn't. Wars of choice that go wrong don't get much support. Particularly when the public that pays for and fights that war lose faith in their president.

World War II, Hollywood gave out wooden Oscars because all our metal was devoted to the war effort. Iraq War, Bush gives out tax cuts.

[Fred Beloit]

How about slavery, Erica? Any chance you might consider that one a bigger fiasco? And, I reread your posts. All you say is Afghanistan was a "smart" war, without giving Bush any credit for it of course. You didn't say a thing about why it was "smart". By the way, when we were planning to invade Afghanistan, I doubt you were in favor of it. I'm afraid I just don't believe you, doesn't fit in with your way of thinking. Yours, Boom Boom

[jong]

No, pretty much everybody was for the Afghanistan war. I know that doesn't fit into your warped world view, but it's the truth. Look it up.

[Hard Right]

What my fellow Conservatives need to understand is that no matter how well the war goes, unless it is 100% perfect the left will latch onto ANYTHING negative and say it's proof of it being a disaster. The left can only see that which reinforces its POV. Anything that does not support that view doesn't exist or is a lie by evil Conservatives.

[Hard Right]

Define "everybody" Bong.

[Fred Beloit]

BTW Erica, concerning your crack about Bush, whom you applaud for starting the war in Afghanistan, and tax cuts. There is nothing at all preventing you and your fellow Democrats from paying more taxes voluntarily. I would wholeheartedly support a Government ad program to ask all Americans to contribute to a voluntary tax increase, if they feel more taxes are needed. Most respectfully, Boom Boom

[Fred Beloit]

Yeah, HR. The entire staff of the NYT was for the war. Sure sure sure sure.

[Phoenix]

ha. What cool news. I bet Pelosi and her grandpa Reid are fit to be tied and straightjacketed. Yay. I wonder if Rahm Emmanuel has anonymous hate-email on his computer? :)

Why do you all bother with Ding Jong? She is incapable of original thought. Look at her posts - quotations, links, plagiarism........... If The Kelvinator is the blog fridge, she's the blog microwave.

[Jason Van Steenwyk]

Back when I was a reporter covering the mutual funds world, around 2001, I called Ron Paul's office over some story or another, and spoke to his official spokesperson. We were talking about the SEC, and the spokesperson said "Well, the SEC should be abolished tomorrow! ...

(pause)

...well, obviously, that's off the record."

"Well, you mean, you WISH it were off the record."

The US markets are the best in the world, in part, because they are the best regulated and individual investors have some protections, under the law.

Yes, Ron Paul is a crank, and in the fullness of time, will be discrediting the Republican party more and more.

[Purple Avenger]

"Iraq is the biggest fiasco in our history"

How so? Clinton's fecklessness led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands in Rwanda...although some would argue that Carter's fecklessness in dealing with the Iranians was considered a green light for the Soviets to invade Afghanistan -- arguably a much greater blunder when all that flowed out of that is considered.

Fiascos of inaction often result in worser outcomes than those of action.

[Purple Avenger]

"and in the fullness of time, will be discrediting the Republican party more and more."

Don't let the fact that he doesn't really consider himself a Republican stop you...

[jong]

Historical Revisionism Fred? Making crap up? The Times supported the war in Afghanistan. Duh.

Every Democratic senator and representative but one voted for the war in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was the correct response to 9/11.

[southdakotaboy]

The blowback from the msm coverup of the progress in Iraq is starting to be felt if this is true. Still haven't heard about the vote yet. I really don't think the nutroots understand how shakey their grip on the House is. The Republicans only need to win back what 16 seats to retake the House? There are easily that many blue dog Dems who are vulnerable if they come down on the wrong side of this. Expect one of two things from the msm they will either completely shove Iraq off the news or the will start pushing the idea that all the progress is because of the Dems being elected. We should start to see one or the other in the next couple of months (end of June start of July).

[Fred Beloit]

Erica, you haven't answered my question. Do you support it now?

[Fred Beloit]

Re Herring Erica. I ask about her opinion and she talks about all the Democrats in Congress. Please answer, Erica. Why was the Afghan war the "smart" one? "Afghanistan was the correct response ti 9//11." writes, Erica. OK, Erica, why?

[Phoenix]

Oh, look, Fred. Erica is doing a ZIF.

:)

[jong]

So what's the deal with the grade-school style insults? Do you think that really advances your arguments any or reflects well on you? You want to have a discussion about facts and opinions, fine. You want to hurl juvenile insults around, no thanks.

[Hard Right]

Bong, maybe you get insulted because you come across as the usual liberal. That means an arrogant, exceedingly negative, prick.

[templar knight]

Fred, the liberals were for the war in Afghanistan as long as IT went well. As soon as the worm turns, they are gone...gone...gone. You cannot depend on a liberal for anything, they are rarely honest, have little patience, never dependable when things get tough, and are just sorry people for the most part. I'm sure Ziffy is an exception, however. Uh-huh!