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Shorter Dan: "Whaaaaaaaaaaa! I liked Obama's quote better!"

Longer Dan Riehl - in your butt, cuz you like it that way, Ziffy Lube.

Sell-out? Empowering enemies?? When will you guys wake up and realize that YOU LOST your silly little war in Iraq? There shouldn't be too much discussion on this one. You.lost. Got it????

Hey Victor we are still fighting over there, the democratically elected government is still in charge and the insurgents are still getting knocked around when ever they poke their heads out of their hideouts. They are reduced to mostly attacking civilians. Your like Bagdad Bob in reverse. He claimed that they were winning right up to the end. You on the other hand will keep claiming we lost even after we have won. You are such a tool.

SD Boy:

If we won, as you claim, then we should be able to pull out.

Feingold voted against invading Iraq. He got it right. Bush got it wrong.

Pulling out the troops means no more dead troops. Only those who want American troops to die want to stay in Iraq. (Along with those who want to aid the Shia fascists who currently make up the "government".)

Dan, why do you want to empower Shia fascists? Do you like Shia fascists? Are you a Shia fascist?

Well, Vickie, when you say "we" lost it that I can presume that you aren't one of "us?" As in an American? A patriot? A human? As it appears by your posts you are about 12 years old, can you give us a single reason to care a whit about anything you say, no matter how many CAPS you us? What a buffoon. Clearly nothing but the return to power animates all you lefty jackasses, period. And again, as I have oft asked zippy, BiS and the rest of you tools: Why do you post here? None of you can make a coherent argument and ya'll just give us more ammo to mock your toolishness, so what gives? Are you just a masochist or what?

Victor I said "after we have won" meaning that we are still in the process of winning. Get a clue. We are facing a long struggle in this. We still have troops in Germany,Italy and Japan. Thats no even counting Korea and the Balkans. You are so typical of the left, you have a short attention span and can't handle things that might take time to do right.

Why post here? Because you flag-waving shitheads are very entertaining. A guy at work mentioned this site a few months back (he is a WMD believer - a true schmuck!) and I finally checked it out. The level of stupidity and ignorance is truly amazing!! I can't get enough! You dopes actually believe that you didn't lose that silliness in Iraq. Its bad to get smoked by a bunch of guys without even a real army - but to claim that it didn't happen is pure theater.

Keep up the good work. I look forward to each and every post.

Victor,

" You dopes actually believe that you didn't lose that silliness in Iraq."

Is it over? Hmm.... where have I been. Are the troops home?

Oh poor Vickie. Somewhere beyond deluded! Well, it's said that "ignorance is bliss," and you surely do nothing to disprove that. Stick around: Maybe you'll actually learn something here, rather than your normative echo-chambers (Kos, mydd, Dung, etc, etc...)

Thats right - hold out til the bitter end. Victory is just a surge away! Too funny!

And when victory is achieved, Vickie has many options: (A)Just lie and deny her postings, (B) Vote for the surge before voting against it, (C) slither off to the gender reassignment clinic and simply stop posting. One thing Vickie cannot do is, well, support the troops or America. So sad.

Victor/mkultra:

The war is decidedly not lost, any more than it is conclusively won.

What is occurring at this moment appears to be an acceleration, as various insurgent factions (Sunni and Shia) are trying to break up the progress being made in converting their former allies into ours.

As you might expect, civilian casualties have risen since the Petraeus version of COIN has been implemented as Sunni insurgents, al Qaeda terrorists, and the "bad" JAM attempt to derail proven COIN strategy and tactics with the only method they understand—more violence.

This is incredibly counterproductive for insurgents and terrorists, of course. It leads to situations were Sunni militiamen are standing guard with Marines and pointing out IED locations instead of setting them. It leads to situations where the Iraqi security forces and Sunni tribesmen ambush and slaughter entire al Qaeda units. The difference is subtle, but the underlying currents seem to be changing perceptibly against the insurgency.

This isn’t to say that the war will be resolved soon. It won’t. But saying that the War is lost betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how insurgencies operate, how they are fought, and why most insurgencies end up losing.

When victory is achieved??? Hahahahaha! You nuts are priceless. Don't change a thing, guys. You are amazing!!

Thank you for your support, Vickie. I keep forgetting that the war is "already lost" and that the genius level Democratic leadership has saved all the bunnies. And Bushitler is in Guantanamo. And algore's offsets have saved us from the Rethuglicanist global warming FOR OIL war profiteering. And the Christianists are all dead, like that Tony Snow bastard. And the Islamomaniacs not only love us but will even let us out of the house sans burka from time to time. I love VICKIEWORLD, it's so pretty here!

Hahaha! You cons are in such complete denial! 4 years of shock and awe and stay the course and liberations and that idiot McCain still can't walk down a street unless surrounded by troops. You fools lost YOUR war.

Remember that scene from Silence of the Lambs where the weird tranny-killer mimics the screaming of the girl in the well in his basement? That's what I hear in my head every time I read anything Vickie/Victor scribbles down. Yikes.

Victor=another sock puppet, probably a Ziffy creation=BrainlessBob

No, we're all laughing at YOU, victor.

Hahaha! Quoting movies, eh? You cons live in a world of fiction. What losers!!

"Victor I said "after we have won" meaning that we are still in the process of winning. Get a clue. We are facing a long struggle in this. We still have troops in Germany,Italy and Japan."

We haven't won in Germany, but we are still in the process of winning?

Process of winning? That's rich.

Look, when Americans can't walk around the Green Zone without flak jackets and helmets, and when they are getting killed in the Green Zone, we are not in the process of winning anything, no matter how much you wish it to be true.

Name one sign of progress in Iraq - just one. Number of Iraqi death declining? Nope. American deaths? Nope. Disarming the militias? Nope. Cleasing the domestic security forces of terrorists? Nope. Reducing the ability of the Sunni insurgency to kill? Nope. Securing the Green Zone? Nope.

What are we doing in Iraq? Backing a government filled with Shia terrorists who owe their allegiance to Iran. Only traitors, i.e., right wingers, believe that Americans should die for that cause. I don't believe that Americans should have to die to empower Shia terrorists. Right wingers do. That's the difference between the right and the left in America today.

Confederate Yankee, you just don't get it. The domestic security forces are full of Shia bad guys and nothing, repeat nothing is going to root them out. They will continue to kill Sunnis. Sunnis, in turn, will continue to kill them. The Iraqi government will do nothing to root them out.

Look what happened in Tal Afar last week. Iraqi police - yes police - slaughtered innocent Sunnis in revenge killings. The police officers - yes, police officers - were taken into custody, and then they were released. Released! And the right wing in this country did not raise even a peep. Not a damm word.

That is the reality in Iraq today. We are siding with government security forces that massacre innocents. We are arming them. Paying for their ammunition, weapons, equipment. We are training them. Training them to kill innocent civilians. Giving them the weapons to do it.

And what does Bush and his cult members have to say? Not a word. They are just fine with it. They just keep on arming, and training, and backing the same government that let these terrorists kill at will.

My tax dollars are funding these fanatics. It's insane, really. But the Bush cult kids like Confederate Yankee seem to have no problem with it.

The blood of those innocents killed in Tal Afar is on your hands, wingers.

vetter, now when I see victor's nick, I will associate him with the sicko killer/kidnapper in the Silence of the Lambs. Thanks a lot! LOL!

Victor sounds like she is about five or so. Why don't you go home and play with your dollies and let the grownups talk vickie.

The wingers don't care about victory in Iraq, they care about the appearance of victory. BushCheney has been saying we were winning in Iraq for four years and the wingers have been saying the same thing, we were willing the WHOLE TIME, it was the media that was lying. Once the Dems took over Congress and the country turned against the war, BushCheney took a different tactic, we were not winning, but were were about to win, all they needed was more time. Things have now gotten so bad in Iraq that BushCheney can't figure out how to give the appearance of victory, if they could, our troops would be home. There is no real victory to be had in Iraq and if there ever was a chance, it is gone now. The Iraqi government that we back is full of Shia terrorists, we can't get them out because there is nobody to replace them with, only more Shia terrorists or Sunni terrorists.

In the nuanced world of mkult and his blowfish, see, war is just another video game wherein every thing happens NOW and is super easy! You "cons" with your reality, your factual and historical basis for your beliefs, ya'll don't get it! What we really need is Ziffy to come back here and share some of his racist "goat-herder" hatin' chit-chat...

mkultra is most likely a Sunni Islamist. And he feels no guilt whatsoever for the hundreds of thousands of Shia slaughtered by Sunni Muslims in Iraq, not even including the thousands of Kurds as well.

mkultra, the reason the Shia are after the Sunni is the way they were treated by the Sunni for dozens of years. The Sunni in Iraq have much atoning to do. Frankly, I don't blame the Shia, I disagree with them, and think it is counterproductive, and wrong, but I don't blame them. They seek justice for years of oppression. And they seek it in the way taught to them by their Sunni oppressors.

Counterproductive? Don't blame them? Using power drills on people is counterprodutive? I thought I had seen it all, now the wingers are sympathetic to the shia death squads. The wingers 'don't blame' them for torturing, raping and murdering their countrymen based on religious and ethnic affiliation.

You stupid fucker, I said it was wrong. Damn, read my fucking post. And I never said a damn thing about torture or anything like you mention.

Oh, then you, nowinger don't blame the Sunni for gassing the Kurds, raping and murdering thousands of Shia, genocide on a massive scale against the Marsh Arabs, Kurds and Shia.

I can't believe it, liberals are now supporting genocide on a massive scale, and the use of poison gas. Damn, nowinger, you are sympathetic to Saddam and his genocide. You don't blame him or the Sunni for massive torture, murders, rapes and mutilations.

templar knight = one angry con. His president is a disgrace, his surge is a joke and he is ranting like a fool. This is pretty funny.

You said, "Frankly, I don't blame the Shia" there is no way that can be read as anything but sympathy for the shia terrorists, it is wrong you said, but you DONT BLAME THEM. You said it. In typical winger fashion, you saying that you don't blame the Shia is turned around to me saying that I support Sunni terrorism. When your mistakes are pointed out, attack the messenger.

Hey look, more signs of 'success' in Iraq. The cons just keep racking up the victories!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070402/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_troops

"Longer Dan Riehl - in your butt, cuz you like it that way, Ziffy Lube."

Why don't you ever talk to Sean Hannity with that mouth, Dan?

"The Sunni in Iraq have much atoning to do. Frankly, I don't blame the Shia, I disagree with them, and think it is counterproductive, and wrong, but I don't blame them. They seek justice for years of oppression."

hahaha. So, temp, would you classify the Shia as "terrorists" or "freedom fighters"? I'm just curious. Wow. Way to get caught with your rhetorical pants down.

an important thing to remember is that none of the wingers who are so bloodthirsty have ever seen Iraq, nor is there any desire to go over and fight their war.

It is like a video game to them. The wingers like Dan grew up playing way too many Risk games. And so victory becomes the most important thing. People's lives, wasted billions, all this is so much rubbish. It is crucial to be able to stand up at the end of the game and say "I won! I won!" this is all that matters to every winger that posts here.

Yeaah!! Ziffy the racist is back, and makin' them hard hitting posts she's so famed for! Ahhh Ziffy, as per YOU the Shia are just a bunch of filthy 3rd world goatherders, so who cares if they are freedom fightin' filthy 3rd world goatherders or terroristic filthy 3rd world goatherders! Gosh, why do you harbor such loathing of the brown people? Maybe you need to hie thee over to the Puffington Toast and leave some stimulating comments wishing death to Tony Snow, Cheney, etc, etc. Such ugliness...

Thanks Templar Knight, at least you are honest. At least you have the guts to say that as a winger, you support Shia terrorism against Sunnis.

Now, if the rest of the winger crowd would be just as honest, we could have an honest debate. If the rest of the winger crowd could simply admit that the end goal in Iraq is to kill every man, woman and child who happens to be a Sunni. And that if it means empowering a government made up of Shia terrorists, so be it.

Hat tip to you, Templar Knight.

And now the return of the much in demand CHICKENHAWK meme from LazyOldLoser! Egad...zzzzz....

Shorter Mkult: DEATH TO THE GOATHERDERS

Death to the goatherders? You cons are nuts. Sadly its these ragtag goatherders that have defeated the US military. Grow up cons, you morons lost the Iraq war.

The goatherders weren't killing each other in large numbers until we liberated them and killed off the chief goatherder dictator. Ill be damned if I can figure out why taking sides in a goatherder feud is helping protect Americans from terrorisim. The goatherders dont' seem too smart or sophisticated to me. They're the garden variety poor, oppressed ignorant mob whose only outlet other than beating their wife and their dog is to rage and hate at some other form of goatherder or some infidel who invaded their country 900 years ago or the ever present zionist aggressor. I never got why we are so sure the goatherders are going to bring the country to its knees.

its not about being a chickenhawk. It's about how wingers cannot properly put the cost into their cost-benefit calculus.

then again, cons don't live in reality

for example, conservapedia still doesn't have an entry for vagina

for another example

Dan hasn't worked a real job for years

Hahaha, good try, Ziffy. But I would not classify all of them as either. I'm sure some of them see themselves as freedom fighters, and I agree with that moniker for some of them, and some of them are obviously terrorists, no doubt. But what you have failed to grasp, along with all the other libs here, is that the Shia were abused, murdered, raped, mutilated, tortured, gassed, etc. What did you expect them to do, play nintendo?

Nowinger, that is your interpretation, and your liberal friends, hardly important to me. But you've convinced yourself, and your liberal buddies. What a miracle of modern science that is. An idiot like nowinger convincing himself and his allies that he is right.

nowinger=BrainlessBob=Zifnab

I tell you what mkultra I don't have much sympathy for the sunnies in Iraq either. I don't want them wiped out, but if they continue to resist the new democratically elected order of things (which they chose not to participate in) they get what they deserve.

Reid is really a sorry Senate majority leader. Seriously - Teddy would be better at the job.

mkultra, the Sunni terrorist makes another appearance, I see. And didn't even bother to read my post, just read the vomit of his allies, I suppose. How does it feel to be a dog eating vomit, mkultra? You are just spewing out the same vomit nowinger and Zifnab just belched up. At least be original. Give us the Sunni terrorist view. What would OBL do? Al-queda in Iraq? The Islamist? Or Mohammed? Besides behead them. We already know that. Something new, please?

goatherders, huh, nowinger? You sound just like the people just prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor who said, "The Japs are midgits who can't fight, they have .25cal ammo that won't even hurt a man, one American can whip 100 Japs, etc. Underestimating the enemy, again. I'll bet 99% of these so-called goatherders could whip your ass any day, nowinger. And I'd put money on it.

"I'm sure some of them see themselves as freedom fighters, and I agree with that moniker for some of them"

All hail Muqtada Al-Sadr! I love my Shia death-squad freedom fighter friends! We shall genocide to victory!

You've really tipped your hand on this one, but I have to say I'm a bit surprised that you would support a group of people that have been killing American soldiers.

I guess in conservatopia, IOKIARDI whether your bashing evil anti-war activists or cheering on troop-killers.

mkultra, pardon my arrogance, but I think I "get it" better than most, or at least far better than you in particular.
Take your Tal Afar massacre example.

You unilaterally decide--and provide no evidence to support--the charge that the Sunni's massacred as a result of the twin truck bombings were "innocents."

I'm quite sure many victims were, but did you ever wonder why that one particular neighborhood in Tal Afar was targeted for retaliation? That is something we don't know at this point, and something that that the three government agencies investigating the massacre are attempting to discover.

You also act as if the officers who carried out these extra-judicial killings are free and walking the street, when that is not the case at all. The IA released the police officers to avert a riot, and the Iraqi police rearrested them and two civilians in took them into custody the same day. You are either lying, or only bothering to learn enough of the story to support your own agenda. Either approach is dishonest.

As for "raising a peep," I certainly blogged about this massacre... twice, as a matter of record. I also used sources in Iraqi to scoop the NY Times about the joint investigation launched by the Iraqi Interior Ministry, Ministry of Defense, and the Ministry for National Security of this massacre.

You present the part of the relatity in Iraq today that supports what you want to be true. I do the best I can to cover the good, the bad, and the ugly.

And for the record, I have little love for President Bush, having once called for his impeachment. Sorry if that ruins the cheap stereotypes that you use in place of intelligent discourse.

For the love of god, are you now telling me that the goatherders who have homeade bombs and some old military assault riles are on par with the Japanese Army of WWII, which rampaged across Asia, gobbling up country after country? What countries have the goatherders conquered? They can't even make a decent play for Israel, a teeny, tiny country with no resources. Where are the goatherder armies full of state of the art weapons? They didnt' even use weapons to knock down the WTC, they used box cutters and commercial aircraft. I am not afraid of the goatherders, they are not a threat that is anything close to the German or Japanese war machines of WWII. The goatherders don't have the technological acumen to build such an army even if the Russians and the Chinese might sell it to them. The only time the goatherders had a prayer of doing anything outside of taking pot shots at people was when the USSR was backing them and training them.

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