Dems To Cut College Funding, Mandate Abortion

After considering the weeks events, Democrats led by Harry Reid have decided to discontinue all federally funded college loan and grant programs, while mandating first trimester abortions for all impregnated women.

What with the Virginia Tech tragedy, clearly college is too dangerous and we've lost higher education. And as the religious zealots now sitting on the Supreme Court have banned late term abortion, it's possible a women could find herself one or two days away from giving birth with her life somehow mysteriously in danger ... you know, she might succumb to the great ennui.

Clearly the only solution is to deal with the matter early on and not actually risk giving birth at all. Child birth is now officially a lost cause, according to Harry Reid.

What a weak willed bunch of surrender monkeys are the Democrats of today. I don't think they deserve to be called anything involving the word "party." Henceforth, they should be known as the Democrat Clusterf*ck, or D and C.

Comments

[scarshapedstar]

Ooooooookay.

[BobinStamford]

Stay the course, defeatmonkeys! The SURGE is WORKING.

[nowinger]

In other news incompetant career hack Paul Wolfowitz days mismanaging the World Bank are numbered. Thanks to Bush's appointment of an ideologue, hostile to the World Bank's culture, World Bank countries may upend the tradition of giving the US sole discretion in appointing a president. Go Bush, another great triumph!

Incompetant, career 'memory challenged' hack Alberto Gonzales continues to hang on to his position for dear life. Thanks to Bush's appointment of an incompetant career hack hostile to the long tradition of DOJ independance and non politicization another great American institution has been harmed.

For further evidence of the succesful surge in Iraq, we've just built a 'Berlin Wall' in Baghdad to keep the Shia and Sunni apart. Hail the Glorious Victory.

Oh yeah, and our friends the Chinese appear to have put dangerous chemicals in pet food ON PURPOSE, and when some of our own companies determined the gluten additive was unsuitable for pets, they fed it to HOGS, destined for your dinner table. I must be too dumb to understand the great logic of feeding something to an animal destined for human consumption that isn't safe to feed my pet. Who needs regulation, though?

The good news just keeps on coming for Bush.

[Carol H]

The supreme court did not ban late term abortion, it banned one specific method of later term abortion, the method that is often the safest for the woman. While intact D&E is now illegal, it is still legal to remove the fetus in pieces from the uterus. Most of these very rare abortions are done in the second trimester. I woman who finds out that in her second trimester that she is carrying a severely malformed fetus that she does not wish to continue to carry must now have it cut in pieces inside of her body instead of being removed intact, increasing the risk of injury to her body. I would like someone who is agaisnt intact D&E to explain to me why that is better.

[Carol H]

The supreme court did not ban late term abortion, it banned one specific method of later term abortion, the method that is often the safest for the woman. While intact D&E is now illegal, it is still legal to remove the fetus in pieces from the uterus. Most of these very rare abortions are done in the second trimester. I woman who finds out that in her second trimester that she is carrying a severely malformed fetus that she does not wish to continue to carry must now have it cut in pieces inside of her body instead of being removed intact, increasing the risk of injury to her body. I would like someone who is agaisnt intact D&E to explain to me why that is better.

[Purple Avenger]

"I must be too dumb to understand the great logic of feeding something to an animal destined for human consumption that isn't safe to feed my pet."

Yes, you are too dumb to understand why something like that might be OK. I would suggest you try a diet of hay for a while as a lesson.

[vetter]

CarolH is pro-infanticide 'cause her nappy headed pimp say so

[nowinger]

Well, funny, Avenger, but it appears that feeding chemically tainted food to hogs is NOT OKAY, because the FDA is trying to find out where all the tainted 'hog food'w went. I believe you guys actually DO get dumber every day.

But, for those of you who are really dumber than rocks it is not okay to feed something to a hog that people will eat that has caused the deaths of thousands of cats and dogs. It's poison dumbass, that's why we've banned wheat gluten from China. Again, wingers will say ANYTHING no matter how obviously stupid and moronic if they think it will score them some points.

Did you really, really, really think that tainted gluten which caused the recall of billions of pet food would be OKAY to get into the human food chain.

PS, doctors can also poison the fetus inside of the mother before delivering it, so it appears that the 'partial birth abortion ban' isn't much more than a symbolic victory, though if they overturn Roe v. Wade its only a matter of time before women start dying again from homemade abortions and then the law will get put back into place, except of course for states where they don't care about women who've had sex dying of botched abortions, they deserved it.

[madeline]

I'm an ARNP at a Woman's Right To Choose clinic and love my job. I do 100 abortions per week , minimum. Abortions will NEVER go away. And PBA will be continued, under another name and by switching to give meds to kill the baby BEFORE he exits the birth canal. You can't stop it, there's too many ways around it. My clinic's been preparing for this SCOTUS ruling for 2 years. We only do about 30 a month and the demand for it is only increasing..We call it pre-emptive day care!

[madeline]

I'm an ARNP at a Woman's Right To Choose clinic and love my job. I do 100 abortions per week , minimum. Abortions will NEVER go away. And PBA will be continued, under another name and by switching to give meds to kill the baby BEFORE he exits the birth canal. You can't stop it, there's too many ways around it. My clinic's been preparing for this SCOTUS ruling for 2 years. We only do about 30 a month and the demand for it is only increasing..We call it pre-emptive day care!

[nowinger]

Madeline, I thought there were only 2000 partial birth abortions done a YEAR throughout the country, 30 a month seems pretty high.

[Nth]

Carol H & Madeline : You are sick, twisted, aides to monsterous activities. Monsters you are and always shall be.

Unlike Imus I wont apologise.

[nowinger]

Don't worry little winger, the activist supreme court is going to overturn Roe, and it appears they aren't going to do it because the court has no jurisdiction but they're going to do it, based on the majority opinion because the government has a vested interest in keeping the fetus alive and because poor, dumb misinformed women don't understand what abortion entails and might regret it later when they understand that their babies were killed.

Once Roe is overturned we will be treated to back alley abortions, high school girls dying from blood loss and septic shock, and I would guess a LOT more babies born to poor and minority women. The poster child for the anti abortion folks: the college girl slut who uses abortion as birth control will go to Canada or find a doctor to give her an illegal abortion. When the country finally goes back to illegal abortions it will be interesting to see what happens, will the wingers applaud the deaths of these wanton evil sluts? Will they change their minds about abortion when they see it isn't created a new generation of white babies but brown ones?

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

[jong]

Actually, it's the Bush Administration that wants to cut student loans to $0.

If you want to win in Iraq, you're going to need a lot more soldiers. So are you for a draft? The army's almost broken as it is. They just lengthened tours to 15 months because we don't have the manpower.

Aa for the Supreme's decision. Every previous ruling has allowed an exception for the life of the mother - it's established law. But not this one. Ignoring established law - my god, they must be activist judges.

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At least $12 billion will be cut from federal student loan programs in 2007 as part of the Deficit Reduction Act signed by President Bush in February

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In what critics have called a clear sign that the US military is showing signs of strain, the Pentagon has announced that US soldiers will now serve up to 15 months both in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of 12.

US defense secretary Robert Gates didn’t shy away from the critics telling reporters on Wednesday: "Our forces are stretched; there's no question about that," adding "this decision will ask a lot of our army troops and their families."

[templar knight]

nowinger, nice try. Fear and misinformation is what you accuse the "wingers" of spreading all the time, yet you are as guilty as anyone with that abortion screed. It is highly doubtful that Roe is going to be overturned, and if it was, each state will decide its own abortion laws, and you may be sure that states from NY to California will enact liberal abortion laws. Abortion will only be regulated in a very few small states, but women there will still most likely have access to abortions, anyway. But it was a nice screed, as screeds go, and I'm sure it took a lot of thought.

[nowinger]

I don't see what fear and misinformation was in my post. I WANT them to overturn Roe, I WANT the wingers to live with the consequences they have wrought. I WANT them to have to live with young girls dying. I WANT them to come up with the money for all those babies who will allegedly be saved by outlawing abortion.

Remember, wingers don't want to overturn Roe, they want to make all abortion ILLEGAL. The real wingers also want to make contraceptives ILLEGAL for everyone but married people.

What makes you think the Red State wingers will be satisfied with outlawing abortion in their own states? Actually, my estimate of states that would keep abortion legal and available is about 15 only, all of New England, the West Coast and a couple of others; the rest will outlaw it.

How will the women in those states still have acess to abortion? In a lot of states there is only ONE abortion clinic right now. Where do you think a high school girl is going to get money to travel from say Arkansas to New York, or a poor woman? Do wingers really believe that making abortion illegal will mean women won't have them anymore? I guess prohibition and the war on drugs has taught you guys nothing. If making abortion illegal won't stop women from wanting them and getting them, what other outcome can there be but self induced abortions and abortions performed by unqualifed people? Do you really think that rolling back Roe won't result in abortion related deaths? I think you know what I'm saying is true but you don't care.

[templar knight]

nowinger, abortions will be regulated in more states, true, but there will not be an outright ban in any state. That's what I believe. Whether you are right or whether I am right is to be seen, but your desires are unworthy of you.

Look, most people in the US are against abortion just for birth control, but I don't know anyone who is totally against abortion. I'm sure there may be some people like that, but they are a small minority.

[nowinger]

Dude, the Catholic Church is against abortion AND contraception, all of it, all the time, for every one. They may have a 'death of the mother' exception but that's it. No condoms for anybody.

[charles]

I WANT them to overturn Roe, I WANT the wingers to live with the consequences they have wrought. I WANT them to have to live with young girls dying. I WANT them to come up with the money for all those babies who will allegedly be saved by outlawing abortion.

translation: i want people to suffer if i can't have my way

you are an evil little turd

[nowinger]

I want what the wingers want, the only difference is I am honest about what will happen when abortion is made illegal: women will die. If the wingers are right there will also be maybe a MILLION more babies born, somebody has to pay for those babies.

You're a hypocrite, you want your ideology making the 'unborn' more important than the woman made the law of the land but as the typical COWARD, HYPOCRITE, you can't stand to be told what the results will be.

Thousands of women died from illegal abortions when they were ILLEGAL, what makes you think making them illegal again will result in anything different.

I agree that wingers should get what they want, and Roe should be overturned and you call me evil. Ah to be a winger, so easy, breezy and nice...never accept the consequences, never, never, never.

[BobinStamford]

You cons should get back to losing your war in Iraq. One dumb idea at a time please. Surge on!!!

[wardmd]

Dear Medical and Legal Morons (that's pretty much ALL of you posting so far)...

First, overturning Roe v. Wade would NOT (I repeat WOULD NOT) make abortion illegal. It WOULD, simply, return the decision of whether (or not) abortions can (legally) be performed in a given state, to the PEOPLE (voters) of each state.

I dare say there are a SUBSTANTIAL number of states who population would IMMEDIATELY vote in favor of legal abortions (pretty much all of the "blue" states, don't you think?).

Second, this whole debate over an exception for the "health" of the mother is a joke. If you are SO concerned over the "health" of the mother, how about ONLY ALLOWING an abortion if the abortion itself would not put the mother's "health" at risk? Do you think ANYONE can get an abortion today without having to sign all manner of release forms (protecting the Doctor from litigation) - for WHAT PURPOSE (if there's not "health" risk)?

Abortion IS NOT "birth control" - it SHOULD NOT be considered as such.

There are MANY, MANY alternatives to abortion (starting with the obvious "don't get pregnant in the first place").

Yes, of course, Religious Right-Wingers don't think ANYONE who's not married should be engaged in sexual intercourse, but that's not what the Supreme Court delt with.

They delt with the HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL (even in the medical field) procedure - the so-called "partial birth" abortion. There are VERY, VERY few doctors who view this procedure as EVER NECESSARY (even for the "health" of the mother).

Perhaps it's time to allow MEDICAL SCIENCE to dictate the "cut off" for abortions (rather than politicial or worse, the voters)... How about when Medical Science AGREES (a concensus?) that a fetus has a REASONABLE likelyhood of survival outside the womb, after that abortion could only be performed if the LIFE of the mother was at risk (if the pregnancy continued)?

[nowinger]

I am pretty sure all the major OBGYN associations came down in favor of keeping intact D & C as legal, so it seems the Supreme Court has already interfered with medical science.

This court case is only talking about 2000-5000 abortions out of over a million, it isn't particularly relevant other than as a symbol. Abortion ALWAYS 'kills' the fetus, however it is performed and whenever it is performed.

There are far fewer blue states than red states, the blue states have more people, more industrial concentration, higher per capita incomes, and thus, perhaps more 'sway' than the aggregate number of states would indicate.

Its also a medical fact that PREGNANCY poses a far higher risk to the mother than abortion. If you want to talk about health of the mother, the mother's health would always be best preserved by abortion. This is what happens when you make silly uninformed arguments while pretending to have an iota of medical knowledge.

There are not many, many alternatives to abortion. In pregnancy prevention there is "don't have any sex at all" or "use contraceptives". Once pregnant there is "have the baby" or "get an abortion". That's two choices, you could add a third since you can have the baby and keep it or have the baby and give it up for adoption.

90 percent of abortions are performed within the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy. When the 'fetus' is not viable, is not far developed and cannot feel any pain.

My understanding of intact D & C is that its done usually on malformed fetuses that have no chance of survival. It would seem pretty moronic for a woman to carry a healthy baby almost to term and then 'abort' it, instead of delivering the healthy baby and giving it up for adoption. The idea of healthy 8 month old babies being killed by intact D&C is more winger PR nonsense.

[charles]

you're also an idiot and a really lousy mindreader

i find it amusing to see what you think i think

[seekeronos]

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I'm an ARNP at a Woman's Right To Choose clinic and love my job. I do 100 abortions per week , minimum. Abortions will NEVER go away. And PBA will be continued, under another name and by switching to give meds to kill the baby BEFORE he exits the birth canal. You can't stop it, there's too many ways around it. My clinic's been preparing for this SCOTUS ruling for 2 years. We only do about 30 a month and the demand for it is only increasing..We call it pre-emptive day care!

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My, Nurse Madeline... you really are an evil cow, aren't you...?

I have to wonder if she yanks each of the hundreds of innocent fetuses she murders every week, fresh and warm out of their mothers wombs only to twirl them about her head whilst singing show tunes, before slinging their lifeless baby corpses into the nearest wall with sadistic glee.

Or perhaps she eats them after offering up as burnt sacrifices to her evil god Molech.

[wardmd]

Nowinder,

I'm sorry, are you saying that the so-called "partial birth" abortion is a medically necessary procedure? Are you saying that it's being performed for the "health" of the mother?

Oh, that's right you already conceeded that PREGNANCY itself "poses a far higher risk to the mother than abortion" - so using your logic, EVERY pregnancy should be prevented at all costs, or if pregnancy DOES occur, the fetus should be aborted (for the "health" of the mother).

That's EXACTLY the reason that Conservatives have opposed abortion rights legislation (when it includes the "health of the mother" exception) - because EVERY pegnancy places the "health" of the mother at risk - so, by definition, EVERY pregnancy could be aborted (because they would ALL fall into the "health of the mother" exemption).

If you truely believe that "intact D & C is ... done usually on malformed fetuses that have no chance of survival", would you support legislation that RESTRICTS this procedure ONLY to "malformed fetuses that have no chance of survival" (or the LIFE of the mother is at risk), or do you believe that a woman should have the RIGHT to abort a perfectly healthy fetus with EVERY chance of survival, just because she wants to?

That, it seems to me, is the crux of this particular debate...

At the point when the fetus CAN survive outside of the womb, how can you argue that it should not have the same legal rights as any other human being?

I would NOT support legislation to ban abortions when the fetus CANNOT survive outside the womb. Until then, the woman SHOULD have the right to choose.

Again, Medical Science - not the legislature nor the courts - should be the ones who set (or adjust, as medical science/technology changes) the definition of when the fetus can survive outside the womb (and, thus, when on-demand abortion can or cannot be performed [unless the LIFE of the mother is at risk]).

You say, "In pregnancy prevention there is 'don't have any sex at all' or 'use contraceptives'" - is that how you all feel about sex and pregnancy prevention? No wonder there's so many unwanted pregnancies...

How to prevent pregnancy, let me count the ways...
Abstinence
Birth Control Pill
Cervical Cap
Condom
Contraceptive Film
Contraceptive Foam
Contraceptive Implant
Contraceptive Patch
Contraceptive Ring
Contraceptive Sponge
Contraceptive Suppositories
Diaphragm
Female Condom
Fertility Awareness Method
Intrauterine Contraception
Outercourse
Shield
Withdrawal

Then, of course, there's vasectomy and tubal ligation (both reversable), for those who simply can't be "bothered" with any of the above mentioned methods, but still insist that they have a "right" to play parental roulette.

[vetter]

BiS is retarded, right?

[vetter]

SURGE ON surennder monky liberls, into the maw of defeat! SURGE ON, BiS, into your psychotic, bland, iterations! Surge on, fools, but eventually we WILL stop defending you..

[Buzzy]

wardmd, it's refreshing to see that someone else understands that Roe v Wade is much less about abortion and so much more about Federal v States rights. Funny that neither the neo liberals nor the neo conservatives trust the American people to decide this matter for themselves on a State by State basis.

Surge on baby killers and yes BiS is retarded.

[TheSpartan]

wardmd, "withdrawal" and "outercourse" are actually horrible methods of birth control, but you might know that had you read the literature. The thing Wingers don't like to talk about is that abortion and teen prgnancy rates dropped significantly during the Clinton Administration due to increased levels of education.

[charles]

this is too rich with irony to pass up

as i've sais here many times - "all i have to do is quote you to make you look foolish"

so we get nobrainer posting this;
"If the wingers are right there will also be maybe a MILLION more babies born, somebody has to pay for those babies."

yeah, the parents idiot - but you take no responsibility for making babies

followed up by this;
"Ah to be a winger, so easy, breezy and nice...never accept the consequences, never, never, never."

why is irony always so ironical?

p.s. 10 points for moonbat caps lock - minus 5 points for lacking the egregious use of exclamation points and 111's

[templar knight]

charles the "troll hammer", top of the morning from deep in the heart of Texas. I marvel at your talents, and defer all troll hammerings to you. But that was rich right there, it sure was. Made my day.

[wardmd]

TheSpartan,

I didn't say they were all GOOD forms of birth control, only that there are MANY forms of birth control (it's NOT a binary ["abstinence" or "pregnancy"] choice), nor did I rank them in any specific order of efficacy or popularity, etc.

It should not be dismissed out of hand, however, that abstinence is 100% effective at not only preventing pregnancy but is also 100% effective in preventing transmission of venereal diseases (and HIV/AIDS) - not to suggest that intercourse is the only way to contract HIV.

I applaud the efforts of the Clinton Administration for lowering the teen pregnancy rate, as I’m sure YOU’LL want to applaud the Bush Administration for having the lowest teen pregnancy rate in the past 30 years (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf)!

As has been pointed out, pregnancy (in and of itself) can put the health (if not the LIFE) of the mother at risk. Needless to say ANY abortion (as with ANY surgical procedure) ALSO places the health (if not the life) of the mother at risk.

I just wish everyone could agree that unwanted pregnancies (and abortions in particular) should be something that we ALL strive to REDUCE, not encourage.