Gore Called Out

Well, at least now we'll get to see what a punk Al Gore actually is. Sure, he'll go to Congress where many of his old cronies will cover for him, along with the media, both throwing softball questions designed to confirm Gore's pseudo-science.

PERTH, Scotland, March 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In a formal invitation sent to former Vice-President Al Gore's Tennessee address and released to the public, Lord Monckton has thrown down the gauntlet to challenge Gore to what he terms "the Second Great Debate," an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, "That our effect on climate is not dangerous."

Monckton, a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, said, "A careful study of the substantial corpus of peer-reviewed science reveals that Mr. Gore's film, An Inconvenient Truth, is a foofaraw of pseudo-science, exaggerations, and errors, now being peddled to innocent schoolchildren worldwide."

Ouch!

Monckton and Gore have once before clashed head to head on the science, politics, and religion of global warming in the usually-decorous pages of the London Sunday Telegraph last November.

Monckton calls on the former Vice President to "step up to the plate and defend his advocacy of policies that could do grave harm to the welfare of the world's poor. If Mr. Gore really believes global warming is the
defining issue of our time, the greatest threat human civilization has ever faced, then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge."

LOL It'll be interesting to see Gore's response.

Comments

[Oregonian]

What's "falling" is thread hijacking. I've already given enough warnings. Take it somewhere else. - Ed.

[Zifnab]

It's Dan's thread and he'll talk exclusively about Gore if he wants to,
talk exclusively about Gore if he wants to,
talk exclusively about Gore if he wants to,

You would talk too if it happened to you.

[djangone]

Lord Monckton is a climate scientist...where? Hahaha!

The goofballs you people pull out as 'experts'... I guess when you lack actual experts other than debunked non-climatologists and Michael Crichton, you go with whatever loon you can find. In this case, an English aristocrat with zero scientific standing who's published exactly zero studies.

You might as well send Dan himself to debate Gore, though the charge for cleaning the floor with Dan's remains would be Dan's to pay. It could be classified as a Superfund site for all the toxic garbage that'd spill out.

Here's a good one on Monckton:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1947246,00.html

My favorite bit:

'So what of those graphs [in Monckton's piece]? Look at them carefully and you see that they are measuring two different things: global temperatures (the UN panel's progression) and European temperatures (Monckton's line). You will also discover that the scales are different.'

What a shocker. An utter fabricator and liar being praised by conservatives. Never seen that one before.

[charles]

what's your opinion of prof richard lindzen?

[Zifnab]

"And why can't the oil industry, who has a vested multi-trillion dollar annual interest burning fossil fuels, have their corporate-funded private research institutes taken seriously? I believed the tobacco industry when it said cigerrettes don't cause cancer, and by god they were playing on the straight-and-level!"

[bloodrage bob]

and how exactly do the corporate hypocrites, them oil and tobacco liars, how exactly does their contemptible "say one thing and do another" differ from gore?

the guy who, while droning at us to reduce consumption, takes private jets everywhere and spends more to heat & cool his mansion in a *month* than the average, ordinary, non-hypocrite american spends in a **year**? the guy who, while snivelling about waste and pollution "defiling sacred mother gaia", raked in profits from his wholly-owned zinc mine? a mine that generated MILLIONS of tons of toxic waste into the local water tables?

i see no difference.

[Jeff]

He'll agree, then Dr. Al Gore will get stuck in a snowstorm and eaten by a polar bear... Well if the Goracle does agree to an actual debate anything can happen...

[Oregonian]

Our Danny boy runs in terror again from those of us who laugh at him.

Found those GPA numbers yet, Danny?

[Legalize]

And by "actual debate," Jeff means pointing out spelling errors whenever he can't respond to substantive claims - like a number of substantive claims made about the alleged "expert" seeking to "debate" Gore.

[Zifnab]

A global warming debate?
Like...
http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/Event.aspx?Event=12
http://www.ohlone.edu/newsevents/200701inconvenienttruthmovie.html
http://www.law.utah.edu/_FILES/PDF/Fordham2007.pdf
http://reasic.wordpress.com/2007/03/14/global-warming-scientists-to-debate/
... these debates?

You're right, Jeff. Forget listening to climatologists or meteorologists. Nothing matters except Al Gore, Al Gore, Al Gore. If Al Gore doesn't debate this man, then Global Warming is dead to me. Dead to me I say!

[Phoenix]

>then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge."<

Good point. It will be interesting to see what Gore does with this 'opportunity'.

[Phoenix]

>then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge."<

Good point. It will be interesting to see what Gore does with this 'opportunity'.

[Legalize]

Everyone knows that the disposition of the Global Warming "debate" hinges on whether or not Al Gore deserves his Oscar, what Leonardo DiCaprio's electric bill is, and what some "aid" to Maggie Thatcher, with zero credientials, has to say!

[skh.pcola]

And AlGore's climate credentials are...? That fact notwithstanding the logic shortage on this thread, you leftards sure seem to idolize The Goricle's every inane utterance.

[Legalize]

No, whatever your name is, "teh left" isn't really all that hung up on Al Gore or his movie. Hell, I haven't even seen it; no one makes him out to be the foremost authority, even though he's only been studying it for 30 years. YOU make it the focal point of every discussion re global warming, in a pathetic strawman attempt to discredit the science - without, you know, actually tackling the science.

[Raging_Dave]

What's the point, when every time we bring up the global warming and cooling cycles that have happened for longer that we can count, you simply dismiss it with a blithe wave of the hand, and a "Oh, but that's different" remark?

It's a religion to you, and nothing we say can change your mind.

[benrand]

No, they scream at the top of their lungs "THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED".

Sort of like the intensity of belief of flat-earthers, hardcore Christians and hardcore leftists.

We are not allowed to ask questions about this subject, just believe it because it's true.

How many real scientists would get very far in the careers with this kind of adolescent childish attitude?

[charles]

"adolescent childish attitude"

benrand, it's all they've got

i've made it a point to expose it on a daily (or so) basis

unfortunately because of their willfully obtuse immature childish behavior you will never be able to pierce their ignorance

[brad]

Do you have your mommy check under the bed and in the closet for Al Gore before she tucks you in at night, Dan?
Gore truly terrifies you, it seems. It's funny to see we agree. I think he's the dem's best chance in 08, too. Please keep attacking him. It doesn't help him at all.
Well, not you specifically, Dan, since yer small potatoes n he'll likely never know yer name, but you wingnuts in general. Not recognizing you've been discredited n that Bush has done to conservatism what Carter did to liberalism makes me very happy. Don't adapt or adjust, just die off.
Thanks

[Crust]

Monckton: "opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions"

That is pretty funny. By debating some obscure aristocrat and climate skeptic, Gore can not only raise his profile but be exposed to an audience of billions! I mean like winning an Oscar might get him and his cause some exposure, but really there's nothing like debating Monckton to hit the big time.

[templar knight]

Don't worry about it, brad. The Democrats are sure to shoot themselves in the head, after all, it's what they are best at. And I don't know how many damn times I have to say this, dammit, we all agree the planet is warming, we just don't agree on the causesssssssssssss, dammitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[charles]

"Do you have your mommy check under the bed and in the closet for Al Gore before she tucks you in at night, Dan"

"adolescent childish attitude"

benrand, it's all they've got

i've made it a point to expose it on a daily (or so) basis

unfortunately because of their willfully obtuse immature childish behavior you will never be able to pierce their ignorance

this stuff writes itself, my irony meter is pegged

"Bush has done to conservatism what Carter did to liberalism makes me very happy"

if bush was conservative you might have a point, but i agree with you about carter

[brad]

Hehehehehehehehehe.
You need a new irony meter, charles.
Tho I really love the Bush ain't conservative meme. It'll work, too.
Now tell me how you're the real majority n etc. It makes me smile.

[benrand]

"obscure aristocrat"

Doesn't that sum up Al Gore?

[charles]

now tell me how you aren't childish and immature?

i have no desire or reason to reply to you on any other level

[Crust]

Benrand, sure does. Other than the fact that he is neither obscure nor an aristocrat, that is.

[brad]

I'm being quite childish n immature, chaz.
But that's the rule of this site. Actual insight is not permitted, as per Dan's 'style'. And I'm the one smiling, so I WIN!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yyy]

I guess Dan doesn't know that this guy's article on climate change was totally debunked by an atmospheric physisist.

I highly doubt Al Gore is going to debate some eccentric British aristocrat who has a degree in journalism and classical studies about climate change science.

Once I did some research, as I suspected this guy Monckton is a total buffoon.

[Zifnab]

"I guess Dan doesn't know that this guy's article on climate change was totally debunked by an atmospheric physisist."

Yeah, right. More like a liberal atmospheric physisist. How much money has he donated to Moveon.org? What does he think about polar bears?

Actually, this page has been surprisingly polar bear free for a while. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Post about the polar beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

[charles]

"this stuff just writes itself"

my work is done here

thank you,

thank you very much

[Buzzy]

You can always tell when its Spring Break in middle school can't you.

[Rob Kaufman]

Yes Buzzy, we get to see more of your inane tripe when you are out of school.

[Zifnab]

Real, open, honest debate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070319/na-gen-us-scientists-warming

"Philip Cooney, former chief of staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, acknowledged at a House hearing that some of the changes he made were "to align these communications with the administration's stated policy" on climate change.

The extent of Cooney's editing of government climate reports first surfaced in 2005. Shortly thereafter, Cooney, a former oil industry lobbyist, left the White House to work at Exxon Mobil Corp."

See, perhaps we should have George Bush debate Al Gore on global warming. Bush seems to have some very important, insightful, and thought-provoking opinions on the matter. And he reads 60 books a year, so he must know a whole bunch. Maybe he can tell us all why he's been squelching government scientist free speech by threatening their job security if they publish anything on global warming. Or maybe he can explain how he and his corporate buddies have absolutely no financial interest in fossil fuels, unlike the greedy money-whore Gore.

[Buzzy]

Y3, I doubt AlGore will debate anyone on the topic of Man Made Global Warming. Losing would cost his carbon offset scam too much. AlGore just likes to spew and he spews information that even scientists supporting Global Warming find far fetched.

In Norman OK a few weeks ago AlGore stated that by 2047 extreme drought in Oklahoma would make it a barren wasteland. I later spoke with several NOAA guys who had been very much on the Global Warming bandwagon and most felt that his scare tactics and overhyping the problem wasn't good for the cause. They told me that they believe that Global Warming will be a problem for mankind in the coming centuries but nowhere as quickly and sudden as AlGore is making it to seem.

Now these are professional scientific types who believe in Global Warming. They all told me that "carbon offsets" are just as stupid when AlGore sells them as when Bush put them in his Clean Air Act. They pointed out that what the problem needs is solutions that move us away from the formation of carbon dioxide (and other elements) in the atmosphere not something that allows people to feel better while driving / polluting more. They did point out that within the last several decades America has made some real progress at reducing emissions but that globalization of our industry has only moved much of these industries to China, India and the 3rd world which are exempt from the Kyoto treaty and have no or very little environmental protection laws or regulation.

They pointed out that at no time in his speech did AlGore talk about existing programs available on campus which would allow the students to get their courses without driving as much. OU has huge numbers of commuting students many of which drive 100 miles or more to and from class several times a week. He also didn't talk about real here and now logical and rational things that people could and should be doing to alleviate the problem.

Now these were professional scientific types that all believe in Global Warming and most think there is a actual man made element to Global Warming. I came away pretty much convinced that nobody has proven Global Warming is man made but that there is enough information that we would be stupid not to make real attempts to reduce our pollution and CO2 emissions on a personal, National and International level.

To my way of thinking we need to tune out the politicans who overhype Global Warming just to sell a product as well as those who allow American corporations to pollute in Kyoto exempt nations while still enjoying tax protection etc. as American companies. We seriously need to reduce our use of oil based products (in transporation, electricity, as well as manufacturing)by using hydroelectric, wind, solar and even nuclear power. Until I spoke with these guys I hadn't really thought about electric cars (100% electric) as still being petroleum based as long as the Electricity is produced by oil or natural gas.

AlGore needs to be called out by these guys and replaced by someone who has some answers to this problem and who will do something more than sell scammy carbon offsets to movie stars.

[benrand]

"Maybe he can tell us all why he's been squelching government scientist free speech by threatening their job security if they publish anything on global warming."

Sort of like that good Doctor of Science with the Weather Channel, Heidi Cullen?

Didn't she want to de-certify all meteorologists who didn't agree with her position, global warming is correctable but curtailing of American economic activity?

I think she did.

Yeah, balanced debate at the Huffpost, yep. Free speech and all that.

[Buzzy]

It's been a long time since the left was interested in anyone's free speech save their own. It's been suggested more than just a few times that they change their title to the repressive party.

I was just reading where AlGore is being called to speak before a congressional hearing on GW and that its likly the questions will be more like a grilling.

[benrand]

"I highly doubt Al Gore is going to debate some eccentric British aristocrat who has a degree in journalism and classical studies about climate change science."

This should read:

"I highly doubt Lord Monckton is going to debate some eccentric aristocrat from Tennessee by way of St. Albans and Harvard who has a degree in governmen t and dope smoking who failed out of divinity school at Vanderbilt and has no apparent background in any science whatsoever but acts as if he does, and would fail basic college physics, about climate change science."

[Zifnab]

"Didn't she want to de-certify all meteorologists who didn't agree with her position, global warming is correctable but curtailing of American economic activity?"

Link plz!

Seriously, do you guys have any new or interesting talking points you don't completely pull out of your asses?

[yyy]

No, they don't.

Al Gore is a hypocrite and a Democrate, ergo, global warming is a lie.

Any action to reduce carbon emissions will crush the global economy.

Any action to reduce carbon emissions is a Marxist plot to take over the world.

The earth warmed and cooled in the past, ergo, this warming trend must be natural not manmade.

The sun is doing it.

There were no SUV's in the past when the earth was warmer, ergo, SUV's and man's activities play no role in the current warming trend.

It is an abridgement of free speech that a handful of non climate experts who don't believe in global warming aren't taken as seriously as the scientists who study the cliimate professionally.

It's getting warmer on Mars, ergo, since there are no men or SUV's on Mars, the current warming trend is not due to man's activity.

Several decades ago some climate experts predicted a cooling trend, ergo anything modern science predicts will be wrong; wrong in the past, wrong in the present.

It's cold outside/snowing outside today, ergo, there is no global warming.

The scientists and scientific bodies that support this global warming as largely manmade are Marxist, liberal, Earth worshippers who cannot be trusted.
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In other words they have nothing of substance to say on the matter.

[Zifnab]

You forgot cosmic space rays. That's, like, the new thing. Cosmic rays from deep space are magically warming the atmosphere in ways mankind cannot begin to conceive.

It's kinda like the ID response to evolution.

Speaking of which, where's the fundie-warming philosophy of "It's all part of God's Great Plan to bring about the 2nd Coming of Jesus!" I'm sure there's some biblical prophecy we can use to encourage us to burn more fossil fuels.

[benrand]

"Meteorologists are among the few people trained in the sciences who are permitted regular access to our living rooms. And in that sense, they owe it to their audience to distinguish between solid, peer-reviewed science and junk political controversy. If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval. Clearly, the AMS doesn't agree that global warming can be blamed on cyclical weather patterns. It's like allowing a meteorologist to go on-air and say that hurricanes rotate clockwise and tsunamis are caused by the weather. It's not a political statement...it's just an incorrect statement."

http://climate.weather.com/blog/archive/200612.html

"If a meteorologist can't speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn't give them a Seal of Approval."

There ya go, silence her critics...

[bloodrage bob]

aaaaaand there goes y3 running off at the keyboard again, fulminating about what a tragic world it'll be when we have warmer summers and longer growing seasons. to stop this, y3 of course does not call for voluntary steps to be taken to keep things cold. ("leave your doors open with the a/c running to help cool the environment!"). nooo, being a hardcore leftwing statist in love with government and coercion, she/he wants to make doing all the things she/he dislikes **illegal**.

with lots & lots of draconian penalties for those who don't do as they're told.

just like our democrat friends did back in the '20's, when they outlawed liquor. and drugs. both "wars" were/continue to be miserable, laughable, spectacular FAILURES. costing us all money & freedom.

none of which matters to our statist boob buddies. jesus, what a pack of idiots they are.