Told Ya So

Let the Dems and defeatist Republicans chew on these numbers for a while.

America hates to lose!

In the wake of the U.S. House of Representatives passing a resolution that amounts to a vote of no confidence in the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, a new national survey by Alexandria, VA-based Public Opinion Strategies (POS) shows the American people may have some different ideas from their elected leaders on this issue.

The survey was conducted nationwide February 5-7 among a bi-partisan, cross-section of 800 registered voters. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent. The survey was commissioned by The Moriah Group, a Chattanooga-based strategic communications and public affairs firm.

The survey shows Americans want to win in Iraq, and that they understand Iraq is the central point in the war against terrorism and they can support a U.S. strategy aimed at achieving victory, said Neil Newhouse, a partner in POS. The idea of pulling back from Iraq is not where the majority of Americans are.

By a 53 percent - 46 percent margin, respondents surveyed said that Democrats are going too far, too fast in pressing the President to withdraw troops from Iraq.

By identical 57 percent - 41 percent margins, voters agreed with these statements: I support finishing the job in Iraq, that is, keeping the troops there until the Iraqi government can maintain control and provide security and the Iraqi war is a key part of the global war on terrorism.

Also, by a 56 percent - 43 percent margin, voters agreed that even if they have concerns about his war policies, Americans should stand behind the President in Iraq because we are at war.

While the survey shows voters believe (60 percent- 34 percent) that Iraq will never become a stable democracy, they still disagree that victory in Iraq (creating a young, but stable democracy and reducing the threat of terrorism at home) is no longer possible. Fifty-three percent say it's still possible, while 43 percent disagree.

By a wide 74 percent - 25 percent margin, voters disagree with the notion that "I don't really care what happens in Iraq after the U.S. leaves, I just want the troops brought home."

Public Opinion Strategies "scored the best win-loss record among the major polling and media firms in the 2004 election" and was named Pollster of the Year in 2002.

Comments

[Legalize]

I'm utterly shocked that there's no link at Drudge or at the Riehl Wurld to the website of Public Opinion Strategies, a REPUBLICAN polling firm, that supposedly polled a whopping 800 non-partisan indivisduals and came up with conclusions vastly inapposite to every other poll ever conducted on the matter.

I hear that George Allen conducted a poll of 14 of his best friends and 13 of them said he won the election.

Idiot.

[Legalize]

Another story that won't make the cut on winger sites concerned about the accuracy of reporting. Turns out that a GOP Rep. from Florida made up the whole House Speaker Nancy Pelosi / Plane story, and leaked it without caring much whether or not it was true. No doubt there will be retractions from the good, honest, conservative bloggers concerned about "truth" in reporting.

Story: http://www.tbo.com/news/nationworld/MGB16WIUDYE.html

[templar knight]

Legalize, you better call me a 53% now, you 47%. You Democrats are going to ruin your chances by slandering our troops. Haha! I knew it. I knew you would screw everything up. You just can't help yourself!

[charles]

you say

"Turns out that a GOP Rep. from Florida made up the whole House Speaker Nancy Pelosi / Plane story,"

story says

"Putnam now acknowledges he had no personal knowledge of any Pelosi request. He said he was commenting on an anonymously-sourced story in The Washington Times and additional coverage from CNN."

your credibility is lacking, your partisanship is showing

[Legalize]

You must be terribly hard of reading, charles. The Rep. admits he knew nothing about the story he pushed so hard. Does this have to be explained to you in great detail? The "story" has been demonstrated to be bullshit and he didn't care one way or the other; he, like Riehl, like Malkin, pushed it anyway.

Pardon me if I'm not terribly concerned about inquiries into MY credibility or partisanship from supporters of Dan Riehl, who can't even link to the Republican polling claiming to have the pulse of the public.

[Jeff]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Sour grapes

HAHAHAHAHAHA

...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

We win again

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You lose again... Wanna tissue...

But I'm sure that the poll must be part of the vast Right Wing conspiracy to kill every Muslim and take over the world's oil so that Dick Cheney can get rich...

I used to be pretty sure that LIEberals were completely useless and morons... now, I'm positive - thanks Legalize... My research here is done, you can go back down to your parents basement and stare lustingly at your nude poster of Ted Kennedy, because you are no longer needed.

[Rob Kaufman]

Congrats on your continued stupidity Jeff, your streak continues.

[Legalize]

My God, you guys are beyond dense. Do you read anything beyond what your partisan masters feed you? POS is a REPUBLICAN POLLING FIRM, the same firm that was accused of violaing Virginia polling laws in 2001; the same firm that payed for a developed the anti-Clinton adds in the 90s; the same firm that is directly linked to the Bush Adminstration: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GOP_organization_linked_to_dirty_politics_0609.html

Jesus.

[Jeff]

"Congrats on your continued stupidity Jeff, your streak continues."

Thanks, but as usual the liberal is wrong. We may disagree, but I am far from stupid, please ask me how my grades in college were and I would be glad to send you a copy of my DARS report. 3.45GPA...

Legalize:

You just linked to a Democrat leaning website... Isn't that a little hypocritical given what you are saying?

Hey weren't you supposed to be looking at Ted Kennedy right now? Get back down into your parents' basement.

[Rob Kaufman]

Sorry Jeff but what do your grades in school have to do with your continued stupidity? Nice delection though, but stupid is as stupid does and you sir are quite stupid.

[cd6]

Is it really named "POS Polling?" What, was "Lousy Polling, Inc" already trademarked?

That said, if every other poll shows a majority against the surge but this poll says 53% of Americans support it, well then gee whiz I guess I'll believe this one.

Maybe if the British knew how much America loved victory, they wouldn't be leaving Iraq (story linked)

[Legalize]

Jeff, you twit. I linked to a website that details facts about the polling firm - the firm that hasn't even published this "poll" according to its own website: http://www.pos.org/

There is no link to this poll. Not at Drudge. Not here. Not at the firm's OWN WEBSITE. You want more links, detective? Here's another: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Public_Opinion_Strategies

Good thing your DARS report doesn't detail that you don't know what a friggin' push poll is. I guess they didn't teach you how to do research at your diploma mill.

[charles]

you must be terribly stupid legalize

i merely used your own words and contrasted them with an actual quote from the article, and proved you wrong

let's try again

your post says
"Turns out that a GOP Rep. from Florida made up the whole House Speaker Nancy Pelosi / Plane story"

article says
"Putnam now acknowledges he had no personal knowledge of any Pelosi request. He said he was commenting on an anonymously-sourced story in The Washington Times and additional coverage from CNN."

which demonstrates by using the exact information you provided he did not "make up the whole story" he was an idiot who used an anonymously sourced story and CNN to make his point, which proves he is a stupid partisan as well

now you say
"The "story" has been demonstrated to be bullshit and he didn't care one way or the other"

now i can read, and i did see something to that effect written in the article but that's not the way you portrayed it,

so maybe one of us does have a problem with reading comprehension, and i'll give you TWO guesses who i think that may be

i'm not here to support dan - he can probably handle himself a lot better than you can

i am just here to point out your stupidity, which is just about too damn easy to be interesting for much longer

and believe me ms. granny silicone tits can certainly defend herself

harpy that she is, she could probably chew you up and spit you out without missing a beat or breaking a sweat, i don't think she needs your pitiful "help" defending her

[Legalize]

Wow, it gets better about POS. Turns out they were schilling for disgraced ex Rep. Curt Weldon: http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Campaign/071906.html

And, wow, charles, you can really semanticize with the best of them. You also dodge the overall point quite (un)artfully. The story is about a GOP Rep. who ran with a bullshit story merely to smear House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, based on bogus reporting; he didn't care if it was true or not; Riehl doesn't care; and you don't care. For a bunch of whiners complaining about "librul bias" in the media, you are sure quick to dance and squirm whenever your own complicity is put right in front of you. As far as I know, none of the wingers who pushed this story has retracted it. Does that sound terribly honest and "truth-seeking" to you?

Couple this with Riehl and Drudge pushing a bogus poll perpetrated by a bogus GOP polling firm - without any verification as to its veracity - and yeah, draw your own conclusions if you are capable.

[Jeff]

I was saying earlier,

VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY

This poll doesn't even exist, you are a genius Legalize.
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I love the diploma mill comment though, I went the University at Buffalo, and double majored in business/economics.
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So how was Ted Kennedy? His manboobs still turn you on?
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And Rob, I would like to ask you, what is stupidity? I guess I'm laying all my cards out, I am also a member of Mensa. By virtually every measure, I am not stupid. But whatever.
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Back to the matter at hand. Conservatives win again, and libs can't take it. Conservatives have always won, and we always will, sure we have had roadbumps, but we have crushed the liberals on the way. Which brings us to 08 when we will crush Dukakis in a dress Clinton.

[Purple Avenger]

"you don't know what a friggin' push poll is."

Push polls are what we've been hearing from the media for 2 years.

[charles]

you're one hell of a mind reader leg

they're politicians dude, they'll push any piece of shit out in front of them if they think they can get away with it-and no i don't care, i'm innoculated- they're politicians it's what they do

i don't whine about liberal bias - if you were ever involved in a story that was written about in the media you would have first hand knowledge of how incompetent they are

i learned my lesson many years ago

"dance and squirm" a very interesting use of words

and what is this word complicity you mention

all polls are bogus, and you lefties are the ones pushing polls seven days a week, i'm sorry you don't have the ability to come to your own conclusions, but that's not my fault or my problem

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi" another interesting choice of words

and i didn't dodge the overall point - the point you tried to make was false

and btw wtf is "You must be terribly hard of reading" is that fucking english? or is this an easl blog?

like i said not here to support dan, just here to point at your stupidity and mock you until i become bored

[Legalize]

Jeff, I went to grad school at UB too. It is an excellent school, so I will retract my comment about the "diploma mill," obviously. None of that has anything to do with what this "poll" is - bullshit. What is also painfully obvious is that with all of your supposed education, you STILL can't refute ANY of the glaring evidence put forth that this poll is utterly bogus. So, again, WHERE IS A LINK TO THE POLL? POS, by its own account, hasn't released a poll since January. You lost in November, and you continue to lose in the court of public opinion.

Want another poll? Mitch McConnel's OWN CONSITUANCY in Kentucky (conservative KY) thinks he is off base: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003547313All All you have are your ramblings about Ted Kennedy's "man-boobs." Very compelling work. It seems that you are not alone, however, as PA doesn't appear to know what a "push poll" is either.

[Legalize]

Yeah, charles, you're doing a magnificent job "mocking," while at the same time putting forth nary a shred of objective information to remotely back what you are sputtering out.

[charles]

ooops

you're quoting polls again, polls are rubbish designed to push opinion, they're bogus and you're falling for it

"putting forth nary a shred of objective information to remotely back what you are sputtering out."

don't care, not trying to

proving your statement false didn't require it

[Legalize]

Sure thing, charles. There is absolutely no difference between a polling firm on the GOP payroll, "releasing" a poll (that has yet to even be PUBLISHED or linked to) that contradicts what Faux News polls say, what WSJ polls say, and what even the president even understands to be true - Americans don't support this war or the "surge." At least you can admit that you are a troll with no interest in objectivity. And you didn't "prove [my] false statement." "False statements" can not, by definition, be "proved." What you TRIED to do, while admittedly NOT putting forth any objective information to establish what you pretend to be saying, is DIS-prove my assertion that the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi / Plane story (a) was bullshit; (b) was cynically perpetrated by folks who had no interest in its veracity - by their own admission; and (c) has STILL not been updated by the right-wing blogs that glommed all to it - blogs that purport to be desperately interested in reflecting "truth" in reporting.

*Note: the McConnell poll was published by the Courier Journal out of Louisville, KY, which perpetually endorses Sen. McConnell, and Republican Governor, Fletcher in every election. And that's just one poll. If you have doubts as to its veracity, you are welcome to cough them up.

[Rob Kaufman]

Legalize, I was able to find the actual poll on http://www.moriahgroup.com/ with the actual results here http://www.moriahgroup.com/downloads/IRAQNATIONALPOLLDATA.pdf. Just reading the way they worded the questions tells you all you need to know, but reading about the two people in control of the group helps to enlighten.

[Jeff]

Legalize, when did you graduate, and which major? I just graduated half a year ago. Cool to hear someone else from there.

[Jeff]

Legalize, when did you graduate, and which major? I just graduated half a year ago. Cool to hear someone else from there.

[charles]

i choose b)

but that wasn't your assertion

you said he made it up, but he didn't- so no matter how many words you may string together, results are the same, it's right there upthread for anyone to see

c) i don't care, you're all playing games

Faux news, gee i never saw that before, and it's not very clever if you know how to pronounce "faux"

and in the only polls that count 2004 bush won, 2006 dems won the majority - those were polls that counted all the others are just so much bullshit for you political junkies

you look to politicians for your salvation

to me they're just entertainment

as far as the dems having a majority right now, that's fine by me

in my opinion whichever party wins the presidency the opponents should automatically become the majority, i think govt works best that way, don't you?

the more gridlock there is, the less damage they can do - i see it as a win,win

given your behavior around here you've got quite the nerve calling me a troll

[scarshapedstar]

"The survey shows Americans want to win in Iraq"
Wow, that's a real hard-hitter. Up next: Americans disapprove of cancer.

[Purple Avenger]

"Wow, that's a real hard-hitter."

As opposed to congressional democrats who just want to scoot.

[scarshapedstar]

Yeah, I mean, this war was masterfully planned and executed and it's eminently affordable, so there's no legitimate reasons for wanting to end it.

[Legalize]

No, I told you so: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/02/gop_pollster_sa.php

Pwned.