There They Go, Again

Laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.

WASHINGTON Feb 22, 2007 (AP)— Determined to challenge President Bush, Senate Democrats are drafting legislation to limit the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively revoking the broad authority Congress granted in 2002, officials said Thursday.

While these officials said the precise wording of the measure remains unsettled, one draft would restrict American troops in Iraq to combating al-Qaida, training Iraqi army and police forces, maintaining Iraq's territorial integrity and otherwise proceeding with the withdrawal of combat forces.

The officials, Democratic aides and others familiar with private discussions, spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying rank-and-file senators had not yet been briefed on the effort. They added, though, the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is expected to present the proposal to fellow Democrats early next week for their consideration.

This is a lot of fluff and bluster but I wouldn't look for it to ultimately have any real impact. Between the Republican delay tactics, a potential veto, a potential override and then a suit before the Supreme Court, all these idiots are really doing is distracting everyone from the work at hand to appease their cowardly, anti-war base.

While this silliness all plays out, things will go forward in Iraq. What matters is results, or a lack of them over time. If we can't turn it around, we'll be out no matter what. If we do, the Democrats will be left holding a losers hand come 2008.

Sad that a political party is willing to gamble its future on a loss by the US military, but not really surprising, given said party has been more interested in treason than national defense for almost two years.

Comments

[Purple Avenger]

I think Harry Reid needs to go reread his copy of the constitution.

[Phoenix]

The word 'craven' comes to mind when I read of this.

[Terry Gain]

Even before the Surge is fully implemented it's obvious that it's working. Victory in Iraq means oblivion for the Dhimmocrats for as long as people have memories.

The Dhimmocrats have one last chance to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Cutting off funding is the Dhimmocrats Surge.

[Darth Malice]

Switch Joe!!!

[Guest]

War's going great, huh?

What are we doing there, again? Oh, yeah, that's right, stroking Bush's ego. Great use of lives and a trillion bucks. You guys are real patriots.

[Chris Vosburg]

Dan Riehl writes: "While this silliness all plays out, things will go forward in Iraq. What matters is results, or a lack of them over time. If we can't turn it around, we'll be out no matter what. If we do, the Democrats will be left holding a losers hand come 2008."

Yep, that's why a pathological gambler can't leave the table.

[Terry Gain]

pathological gambler vs pathological loser. I'll take the gambler especially since he's holding the better hand. The only way the gambler loses is if the pathological loser gets to abort the game.

[BobInStamford]

4 years and nothing to show except billions wasted, thousands dead and chaos in Iraq. Your silly little surge is meaningless - just like your leader. That's the purpose of this legislation - to remind you that your leader is irrelevant. Surge off!!!

[Doug]

So if the Democrats have been "more interested in treason" for the last however many years, which one of us do you think should be locked up, Dan? Harry Reid? Hillary? Obama? Do you think any of them should actually be hanged?

C'mon, Dan. You can't make a big tough-guy statement like that and then not follow up on it. Either name names or just admit you're full of crap and wuss out like your pal Frank Gaffney did on the Colmes show the other day.

[Darth Malice]

Doug I would start arresting the most of the MSM.Most of the Dems should be jailed......We must defeat world-wide Islam,but first we have to clean house here of our traitors.

[Philip McDaniel]

“…but not really surprising, given said party has been more interested in treason than national defense for almost two years.”
A lot longer than that, Dan. Civil War, Vietnam, et al.

What is really amusing, however, is reading all the comments by the loonies that hover around your blog. It is clear to me their sophomoric prattle is no match for true conservative intellectual discourse. Watch the spittle fly ….

[Darth Malice]

The Dem Party should be outlawed in my humble opinion.Is that extremist and harsh?Yes it is,but our survival come first.

[Legalize]

"I think Harry Reid needs to go reread his copy of the constitution."

Hilarious.

[southdakotaboy]

I don't believe that the Democrats are knowingly commiting treason. I do think that they are showing us a glance into how they think. They don't believe what the extreme Muslims are saying. It is as simple as that, they honestly think that every word that comes out of those guys's mouths is for the most part empty rhetoric or symbolic expressions ment to satisfy the base.
I mean for the most part the only real experience the Democrats have with " religious extremeists " is our own Christian right. I know compairing the two is a stretch for any conservative, but that is hosestly how most of those on the left view Evangelicals. Democrats in Congress have heard what the Christian right has said over the years and then seen that at the end of the day that they would be willing to cut pragmatic deals. They view Osama and the like as just a bit more prone to violence because of cultural differences. In the end they think they can play this game out by their rules.

[Marc]

"I think Harry Reid needs to go reread his copy of the constitution."

Maybe he can get Rep. Eric Cantor to help him out. In Cantor's version of the Constitution, Congress has no role in declaring or funding war. I believe it's written in crayon.

[Darth Malice]

Dakota the difference between Osama and Falwell is Falwell won't cut your head off.The Dems identify with Al-Quaeda and Islamic terror because they are sticking it to the West.Of course the Dems will find out they will just lose their heads last.

[Brad]

"Senate Democrats are drafting legislation to limit the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively revoking the broad authority Congress granted in 2002"

And what exactly did that resolution authorize? Deposing Saddam Hussein and ridding the country of WMDs. Mission accomplished, right?

When you all get done with Operation He Tried to Kill My Daddy, maybe we can get back to focusing on al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. You know, the people who actually attacked us and who are actively regrouping?

[Throm]

The Dems are like the big dumb oaf in high school. A little rat like kid (Islamic terrorist) say, "I'm gonna deck you one." The oaf just says hahaha, then what happens? He gets hit in the face, he's shocked and stunned. "The little rat-boy hit me." No one else is shocked, rat-boy did what he said he would - it shouldnt be shcoking, but amazingly some people just dont take anyone at their word. In 1996 OBL said he was going to a ttack us. We ignored the USS Cole and other attacks abroad, Democrats (Bill Clinton) said, "It's not that big of a deal, it won't happen; let's negociate." Negociations didnt work, because the Al Qaida doesn't want negociations, they just want us dead, and we got attacked on 911. For about 5 minutes the Democrats took a tough stance. Now some liberals are even asking, "did we overreact to 911?" in the LA TImes.

The bottom line, the Democrats can't figure anything out when it comes to combating our enemies which have sworn our destruction. They might be good at hiding tax increases, and making socialism sound utopian, but they are unfit parents for our republic

[Darth Malice]

Throm,I just wished the Dems would put the same energy they use to re-distribute income to protecting Western Civilization........Hey Brad tell me what Clinton did to fight terror again?

[Throm]

I can answer for Brad. He pulled out of Somalia. He didn't pursue OBL. He gaves Kim Jong-Il what he needed to help with nukes. He let Cechnia go to ruins by Russia (he stood by Russia the whole time.) However, he did one thing right by helping out in Kosavo.

Does one right correct hundreds of wrongs that have now weakened our nation?

[Throm]

Oh, and how much did the Israeli-Palestine conflict increase under his watch? I know the Democrat line: "Israel doesn't deserve our support, because balh blah blah." But because Clinton sat on his hands all that time it reached the boiling point right before Bush came to office.

So Clinton left Bush threee things (which some people are dumb enough to attribute to Bush)

1) A massive M-Eastern conflict in Israel
2) Terrorist felt safe and attacked us
3) A recession, which was multiplies because Clinton's terrorists attacked us.

[Brad]

"Hey Brad tell me what Clinton did to fight terror again?"

Man, it really is all about Clinton with you people.

He tried to take out Osama by missile attack in 1998, but the conservatives all insisted it was "wag the dog" to distract from the really pressing national crisis of a blowjob. Then after the Cole bombing -- three weeks before the 2000 election -- he formulated a plan to attack Bin Laden again, but waited (wrongly, in my mind) to avoid more lecturing from the right. He had his NSA folks give Condi Rice a thorough briefing in which they insisted that Bin Laden would be their top priority. They were ignored.

What has this adminsitration done? It's botched this at every turn. They ignored the August 2001 PDB titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack inside U.S." and, the day before 9/11, Condi Rice was out making a speech about what our top national security issue should be -- missile defense against China.

Ask yourself why this administration has seen four different counter-terrorism czars resign in protest. I'm sure your answer will be that they're all unhinged moonbats, but it's clear that the professionals -- men who worked in this field under Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton -- all think bush 43's approach is wrong.

[Darth Malice]

Throm I have to disagree with you.We are in a battle with Islam.We were on the wrong side in Kosovo....We should have backed the Serbs.As far as Chechya as much as the Russians deserve a butt-whoop they too are fighting militant Islam.....Throm Clinton should have been impeached for Somalia.Good thing Ethiopia got the job done.

[Darth Malice]

Brad that missile attack hit nothing but empty tents....as it was meant to.

[Legalize]

"Dakota the difference between Osama and Falwell is Falwell won't cut your head off."

No, he just thinks that medical clinics and doctors should be blown up. While you, who argue against the evil that is "Islamocommiehippieveganfascism," in the same breath, love to argue AGASINT every treasured western tradition in the book, so that your paranoid fantasies might be indulged.

"The Dems identify with Al-Quaeda and Islamic terror because they are sticking it to the West."

It's amazing sometimes how clueless you people really are. You really DON'T see any irony in arguing for your brand of anti-western fascism while at the same time accusing others of being "anti-western" merely because they haven't taken the utterly insane and unsupportable leap of faith (and logic) that you have - a leap of faith that repeatedly reveals itself to be disasterous. The fact that you advocate ethnic clensing and the tactics of monsters pretty much immediately eliminates all right you have to opine about "anti-Western" values.

"Of course the Dems will find out they will just lose their heads last."

Case in point. If you really "think" this way, there's not much more than can be done with you, absent praying that you never obtain any position of influence.

[M.A.]

Darth Malice, you really think Clinton "meant to" hit "nothing but empty tents?" Talk about Derangement Syndrome. There is no such thing as BDS, but there is a whole lot of CDS around...

Anyway, in the real world, Clinton had a good (not great) record on fighting terrorism. Bush ignored the threat of terrorism and Clinton's warnings about OBL (hence 9/11) and after 9/11 Bush has devoted his time to trying to take out the enemies of Al-Qaeda (like Saddam, the secular anti-Islamist dictator).

Bush is, in effect, our first pro-Islamist president, a guy who has given OBL what he wants and worked to remove OBL's enemies (like Saddam). And you're still obsessed with Clinton, who had his faults but was (unlike Bush) serious on national-security issues? Weird.

[Legalize]

M.A., I think Clinton Derangement Syndrome is merely symptomatic of the radical right's general and absolute refusal / inability to take personal responsibility for their actions. Expect them to play the Clinton card in perpetuity every time one of their hair-brained schemes goes wrong - over and over again. Hell, according to them Katrina was Clinton's fault too.

[Throm]

Show your dhimmitude a little more M.A.

And Saddam is secular? Oh boy. Just Wikipedia it, I'm not going to be bothered attempting to explain the obvious.

"No, he just thinks that medical clinics and doctors should be blown up"

I have never heard that, please back it up.

"you advocate ethnic clensing"

Again, please back a big statement like that up. I only support the ethnic cleansing of certain animals - moonbats in particular.

Exit question: Does it seem like M.A. and Legalize are try to outdumb each other? Or is it accidental?

[Throm]

"Hell, according to them Katrina was Clinton's fault too."

Actually, George Bush blew up the levies, and he intentionally released massive amounts of CO2 the year before. And don't tell anyone this, but George Bush actually controls the weather. George Bush is entirely to blame for people staying back to "protect" their Rick James LPs.

None of the blame should be shifted to the Democrat mayor or governor of Louisianna, whose job is traditionally to get appropriations for projects like levees, dams, etc.

Goerge Bush IMO bears no responsability for Democrats being to dumb to build a levee when its needed. Also why didn't Ray "Chocoate City" Nagin work harder at enforcing evacuations.

[Darth Malice]

Legal,no one on the right favors blowing up abortion clinics.I want to see them shut down legally.In fact no one helped Eric Rudolf when he was on the run......The Right Wing obeys laws thank you very much.....Now Legal and Ma I am not obseesed with Bill,but he was much more about expanding socialism here at home than fighting terror.Blackhawk down told Bin Laden we have a glass jaw.We got hit over and over and nothing happend.Our planes were shot at over Iraq in the 90's and nothing happend.Wether yall like it or not we have to get brutal with this enemy or we are going to get served.....By the way Bush needs to get schooled on firmness too.

[Fred Beloit]

Let's look very briefly at some of our enemy's beliefs and then at what the Dems purport to believe: (1) E. Men have rights, women do not. D. Women have equal rights with men. (2) E. Democracy is no good and despots are OK. D. Democracy is good, despots are not. (3) Killing women, children and civilians is OK in our just cause for our beliefs. D. Killing civilians, women and children is never justifiable. (4) E. All people within our borders must obey Muslim laws concerning religion, e.g., dress and wine. D. People within our borders are mostly free to do as they choose regarding religious prohibitions. (5) E. The use of any kind of weapon is justified in war. D. Certain weapons are too damaging and should never be used in war. (6) E. Those who write, draw, or publish any serious or comedic works critical of Muhammad should be killed. D. The media should be free to practice as it sees fit. (7) George Bush is Satan and the U.S. should get out of Iraq. D. George Bush is Satan and the U.S. should get out of Iraq. Well, at least they have something in common.

[Gus]

Such an echo chamber of stupid. Darth Malice wants to throw me in jail, Osama wants to behead me. Personally I am more afraid of the nut at home than the one living in luxury in the country of our good ally, Pakistan.

[Legalize]

"Legal,no one on the right favors blowing up abortion clinics.I want to see them shut down legally.In fact no one helped Eric Rudolf when he was on the run......The Right Wing obeys laws thank you very much....."

Are you stoned? How do you think Rudolph evaded capture for what, 7 years? He enjoyed enormous support when he was on the run. Jesus.

"Now Legal and Ma I am not obseesed with Bill,but he was much more about expanding socialism here at home than fighting terror. Blackhawk down told Bin Laden we have a glass jaw."

Surreal. You mean after the GOP-controlled demanded that we pull out of Somalia - just like it did whenever Clinton engaged in trying to combat bin Laden types. You really don't remember that any time Clinton made a move internationally, the heroic GOP accused him of trying to "wag the dog."

"Our planes were shot at over Iraq in the 90's and nothing happend."

What's the matter with you? Iraq shot at our planes, but never had the capcity to DO ANYTHING to them or anyone else. Any time Saddam got uppity, U.S. and Brit planes bombed his positions back to the stoneage.

"Wether yall like it or not we have to get brutal with this enemy or we are going to get served.....By the way Bush needs to get schooled on firmness too."

Yes, I often hear tough-talk from winger types about "getting firm," and "doing what must be done." But rarely, if ever is there a coherent policy put forth that describes what exactly that is. As far as I can tell, the plan consists of (1) invent a threat; (2) kill a lot of people indiscriminately; (3) take the oil; (4) nuke Iran; (5) put non-wingers in prison; (5) ??

Your version of "getting tough" tends to undermine, precisely, at the most fundamental level, what the West stands for. Which makes me wonder why you purport to fight for western values, while at the same time you have so much contempt for them.

[Darth Malice]

Rudolf was picking through a dumpster,I would have turned his sorry butt in..........Legal I favor #3,% and 5......We might be able to sway you to the darkside after all.Free tinfoil hat!!

[Legalize]

-you advocate ethnic clensing-

"Again, please back a big statement like that up. I only support the ethnic cleansing of certain animals - moonbats in particular."

Please speak only when spoken to. Unless you are Darth in disguise, go stand in the corner until I am ready to smack the idiocy out of you.

[Darth Malice]

Gus only as long as the GWOT last do I want you in jail.....For your own good:)

[Legalize]

Yes, Darth, continue to not respond substantively to anything. Again, I feel silly for even bothering to figure out where the hell you are coming from.

[Darth Malice]

Legal I am always ready for one of your beat-downs :)

[Darth Malice]

Legal,look I believe in peace,love and understanding as you do....I just want to defend it.

[Legalize]

"Legal,look I believe in peace,love and understanding as you do....I just want to defend it."

Ok. Now, we're getting somewhere. I want to defend it too. Can you see that just because we have different views as to the ends utilized to achieve the same ends, this does not impugn "treasonous" motives on either of us?

[redrichie]

Condi, Rummy, Cystbutt, Loofahboy & Cheney ignore the warnings that led to 9/11, then lie the country into a war that's cost $600,000,000,000 and 3,187 American lives, and you guys call Clinton the traitor? Wake up. You're letting the country go down the tubes in the name of cheap partisanship, and the crony capitalists who have taken over the Republican Party wouldn't bother to take a crap on you unless there was money to be made.

[Darth Malice]

I never said YOUR motives were treasonous,just your dem comrades....Yours is a sweet naivity.Don't worry though,you have Darth Malice to guide you..............I can respect a guy like Lieberman who is every bit as liberal as you,but he is willing to take on our enemies.Don't you think Al-Quaeda likes what the Dems are doing legal???

[Darth Malice]

Now Red flattery will get you no where.....why are you hitting the GOP's good points?......To me they are a bunch of weak sisters.

[Terry Gain]

4 years and nothing to show except billions wasted, thousands dead and chaos in Iraq. Your silly little surge is meaningless - just like your leader. That's the purpose of this legislation - to remind you that your leader is irrelevant. Surge off!!!

Posted by: BobInStamford | Friday, February 23, 2007 at 08:15 AM

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Here Bob, let me help you understand what's been accomplished.

1. Terrorist-supporting, genocidal, mass murdering, Stalinist, nuclear bomb and WMD pursuing regime removed in 3 weeks.

2. Al Qaeda decimated and reputation destroyed among Arabs as tactic of killing innocents backfires.

3. Three Democratic elections in 18 months.

4. Rule of law accepted by vast majority.

Insurgency and killing of innocents continues in Iraq- as it has for the last 30 years. Major differences are firstly, that until recently killings in last 3 years have been much lower than in previous 25 years and secondly, killing no longer being carried out by government. It is ridiculous to suggest that America is to blame because small minorities of Iraqis are using extreme force to attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government.

Critics of the mission are lacking patience and historical perspective

[seekeronos]

I am still waiting to hear Legalize expound on Jerry Falwell's fatwa ordering Christians to blow up abortion mills, or other supposed plans to subdue the "enemies of Christ" in some sort of Inquisition type plan to remake the USA over as a "Christ-O-Fascist" theocracy.

And even if he (Falwell) had said such a stupid thing, I think Legalize might be actually surprised to learn that nearly all Bible-believing Christians find the idea of blowing up abortion mills to be just as repugnant as is the murder of the millions of innocent babies the abortion mills have committed.

As for locking up or deporting moonbats - well, we interned large numbers of Japanese in WW2, and interned Germans, Austrians and Hungarians during WW1... so you tell me how many American buildings or people were killed by enemy aliens in domestic operations in either of those two wars?

Given the rage level that the moonbats seem capable of (not entirely unlike their rage-a-holic Islamist cousins who get frothingly mad every time a funny pic of "Mohammad in the Turban-Bomb" comes into public view)... perhaps deporting some of y'all or detaining some of y'all at Gitmo might be a good dea until the grown-ups deal with our external enemies.

[Darth Malice]

Legal to be fair Pat Robertson does not count.....Seek could you imagine Conservative Christians granting Fatwas???It would be a load of laughs!:)

[Phoenix]

From Legalize:

"It's amazing sometimes how clueless you people really are. You really DON'T see any irony in arguing for your brand of anti-western fascism while at the same time accusing others of being "anti-western" merely because they haven't taken the utterly insane and unsupportable leap of faith (and logic) that you have - a leap of faith that repeatedly reveals itself to be disasterous. The fact that you advocate ethnic clensing and the tactics of monsters pretty much immediately eliminates all right you have to opine about "anti-Western" values."

Just when you cut your talk to short remarks and seem to become somewhat reasonable, you give in to your compulsive need to say too much. In this quoted bit, you have jumped ship into utter generalization. I hope you don't end up in a courtroom some day trying to save a client. Can you detail the remarks above so that they make sense? Avoid generalizing because you'll lose whatever point you're trying to make.

[Phoenix]

Jerry Falwell Fatwa I: Take down Pat Robertson with prayer.

[Phoenix]

Presbyterian Fatwa I: All Presbyterians will go on a hunger strike until they get their destiny back.

[Phoenix]

Catholic Fatwa Against Global Warming: The Catholic church will no longer have the bishops swing that brass ball of smoke in efforts to help out with global warming.