The Church Book Store

For background see here.

There are a limited number of publications available through Barack Obama's church book store. All or nearly all afro-centric.

You could buy either of Obama's books - or, you can buy The Debt

And white Americans can make reparations for slavery and the century of de jure racial discrimination that followed with monetary restitution, educational programs, and the kinds of equal opportunities that will ensure the social and economic success of all citizens.

Here is Obama addressing Black Harvard alumni during a seminar wherein author Randall Robison received the HLS Medal of Freedom.

Speaking of Bush’s alliance with U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair in a question-and-answer session, Obama drew roaring laughs when he compared the president to a “crazy uncle.”

“I can only imagine the conversations [Blair] is having with the rest of the European Union every day, ‘What’s up with you and Bush?’” Obama said. “It’s like having sort of the crazy uncle that you don’t really want to talk about.”

Barack Obama needs to speak to what he actually thinks of this stuff.

Comments

[BobInStamford]

Why should Obama explain for saying that Bush is a national embarrassment? Rather, you 28%ers should explain why you still support such a disaster.

[Philip McDaniel]

Well, I suppose you’re right, Bob-in-Stamford, civility and respect is not something we have come to expect from any of you. It’s a shame really. But on the other hand, any close look at the Democratic Party, it politicians and constituents, and indeed its history, will reveal a pattern of bigotry, racism, corruption and cowardly violence right back to pre-civil war times. So at least you are consistent.

[seekeronos]

It just goes to show you that racist looney-talk is common for any human, regardless of his skin colour.

Except that race-baiting and racism coming from non-whites is always "acceptable" in the eyes of the Looney Left, and any mention of preserving traditional American and Christian values (mostly defined by the experience of majority of Americans from 1600-1960, who happened to be largely of European descent) is immediately to be tarred with the same brush of vileness used to isolate the KKK or Identity idiots.

[seekeronos]

It just goes to show you that racist looney-talk is common for any human, regardless of his skin colour.

Except that race-baiting and racism coming from non-whites is always "acceptable" in the eyes of the Looney Left, and any mention of preserving traditional American and Christian values (mostly defined by the experience of majority of Americans from 1600-1960, who happened to be largely of European descent) is immediately to be tarred with the same brush of vileness used to isolate the KKK or Identity idiots.

[Legalize]

Obama was wrong to call Bush "crazy uncle." He should have called him "drunk uncle," or "uncle coke-head," or "bumbling buffon," or "treasonous dog," or "an even worse president than Ronald Reagan." Any of those whould have been more apt. Obama was actually very kind to Bush in his statement.

I guess the wingers are just going to have to get used to being criticized. I know you hate being held to account for your litany of failures, but that's the breaks, kids.

[splashtc]

If someone is half black/white do they have to pay for this reparation -or will they be on the receiving end? Will the black person have to prove he/his ancestors were born here or just being any shade of black/brown will do. Will women get double any amount? Would Michael Jackson qualify? Would Obama himself qualify-where is he from indonesia.
Obama is perfect to be the economic and military leader of the usa!

[Legalize]

Obama isn't from Indonesia.

[southdakotaboy]

So much for positive and inclusive politics. I am so disgusted with both sides anymore. No one seems to be able to understand that the other guy isn't evil just because he has another plan or idea about things.
I look around the world today and everywhere you see ethnic conflicts one tribe against another: white muslims vs white christians (kosovo), muslim vs budhist (thialand) and arab muslim vs black muslim (darfur). If we in America don't wake up to the dangerous way we are acting right here in the US we are headed down the same path. We need to step back and tone down the retoric that sounds good for sound bites but hurts in the long run.

[Legalize]

"Barack Obama needs to speak to what he actually thinks of this stuff."

Why does he have to speak to what he thinks about a book, not written by him, sold by a church to which he is only a member? Does he decide what books are sold by the church? Does he control the church? If so, prove it. Absent that, find a substantive reason to dislike the guy (and explain why; I know that's a problem for you), and stop whining about the mean black people.

[Zifnab]

Why is it every time Malkin or Savage or Rushbo shoot their mouths off about Duke Lacross Strippering being hoes and Obama being a halfrican and Hillary/Nancy Pelosi/Diane Feinstien/generic female dem being the wicked witch of the west, the rest of the right gets to chant "Freedom of Speech! Freedom of Speech!" But a black church in Indiana has a book mentioning reperations for slavery, and suddenly everyone in a ten mile radius needs to be held accountable for the printing?

Before you go off on a rant about how radical and crazy and fringe Barak Obama's church is, I've got three words for you: Bob Jones University. Please, would the righties in the room now sit down, shut up, and give it a rest.

[seekeronos]

"...I look around the world today and everywhere you see ethnic conflicts one tribe against another: white muslims vs white christians (kosovo), muslim vs budhist (thialand) and arab muslim vs black muslim (darfur)..."

Hmmm.

And what do you suppose the common thread between these conflicts is?

It is ISLAM.

Those loveable punch-drunk, sword swinging, kuffaar-killing Muzzies just can't be happy unless they are lopping off someone's head for being an infidel.

And that isn't even touching the Shiite vs. Sunni issue.

Satan must be really pleased with himself for creating such a hateful, wicked deception as Islam.

As for Legalize's assertion that Barrack Hussein Obama doesn't need to explain his views of a book he didn't authoer...

... he doesn't _have_ to do explain anything. But it sure would be nice to know where he stands on the Black Supremacist views of the "church" he alledgedly is a member of. After all, a man is often known by the company he keeps.

Unless of course, he is a radical Islamist in "mufti", practicing his al-Taqqiya "deceptions" as mandated by the Koran. And to me, he is far more suspect for his potential Islamist leanings than anything having to do with his skin color.

@ splashtc:

I'm not sure how this will wash for Barrack Hussein Obama. He is "black" as in possessing at least half of his genes from Negroid stock; but many African-Americans do not seem to regard him as a "brother", since his heritage is not one and the same with the heritage of today's African-Americans, most of whom are descended from former slave stock.

And many blacks will argue that he isn't black at all, since he has some of that impure "white devil" blood in him. If "high color" blacks (blacks who have lighter skin tones than the average) are disparaged within the black community, how much more so someone who is regarded as a "half breed"..?

Therefore, his association with a Black Supremacist "church" may be in part to allay concerns with the more radical blacks that he will be a "sell out to whitey".

[templar knight]

Legalize, if Rudy were attending a white separatist church, and there are some, you know damn well you would be shouting the loudest for an explanation, and an apology, and probably a repudiation, along with a resignation. So get real and quit your bullshitting.

[seekeronos]

Ziffy-poos:

How exactly is BJU a "radical institution"? Last time I checked, they were not endorsing the restoration of slavery (as a counterpoint to some silly notion of "reparations", which would be just as racially divisive).

Silliness, really. The white race is already paying reparations through affirmative action and a rapidly diminishing population base. By 2050, whites will be a minority race in the USA, having been replaced by Mexicans and OTMs (at the current rate of migration and reproduction).

[templar knight]

Here's Zifnab's typical liberal whiney brainless response: If someone on the right did something wrong no matter how many years ago, that excuses anything wrong that someone on the left does forever.

Zifnab, now you sit down and shut up.

[Legalize]

"Legalize, if Rudy were attending a white separatist church, and there are some, you know damn well you would be shouting the loudest for an explanation, and an apology, and probably a repudiation, along with a resignation. So get real and quit your bullshitting."

Grow a clue. Just because the barking wingnuts of America unilaterally declare Obama's church to be a radical black seperatist organization, doesn't make it so. And just because you cower at the sight of more than 3 black people standing in a room, and cringe at the concept of people other than you embracing their cultural herritage, doesn't impugn any ulterior motive to Obama.

Most churches argue against materialism don't they? That's what the Tininty Church is about. As for Rudy, yes, he will definitely have to answer for his ACTIONS as mayor of NYC. But wait, Rudy's a Catholic. I DEMAND that he answer to what he thinks about pedophiles; I DEMAND that he answer for why the Catholic church gave a green light to the holocaust during WWII; I DEMAND that he answer for the inquisition; I DEMAND that Rudy answer for every evil and crime perpetrated by the Catholic Church.

But again, if you want to put forth anything more than inuendo, ignorant speculation, and the books of people written by NOT Obama, to establish that he is a black seperatist, be my guess. Until then, yeah, grow a real argument.

[Legalize]

And really, are we supposed to take seriously the deranged and paranoid accusations and ravings of seekeronos, who feels perfectly comfortable tossing out terms like "Negroid?" I know you guys long for the days before civil rights when good black folks knew their place, but this is too much.

[TheSpartan]

Since when does having a set of values aimed at uplifting a traditionally down trodden group of people equal "black supremacy"? It's not like the title of the book was "Kill Whitey"

[templar knight]

"Negroid"....Legalize, are you sure? I never heard the like. Jimminy Cricket!

[Legalize]

"How exactly is BJU a "radical institution"? Last time I checked, they were not endorsing the restoration of slavery (as a counterpoint to some silly notion of "reparations", which would be just as racially divisive)."

Jesus Christ, you are dense. It takes a little less than advocating slavery to be a racist.

"Silliness, really. The white race is already paying reparations through affirmative action and a rapidly diminishing population base. By 2050, whites will be a minority race in the USA, having been replaced by Mexicans and OTMs (at the current rate of migration and reproduction)."

Gee, looks like you identify pretty stronly as a member of the "white race," rather than the "human race." And you think pretty specifically about white breeding v. the breeding of other "races." Of course it's ok for you to be a bona fide Archie Bunker throw-back, but dear Lord, how dare those upity blacks espouse pride in themselves?!

[templar knight]

Now, I'm late for work having to fuss with you libs, so have a nice day and all that!

[Legalize]

Yes, templar, his 1950s-era wisom can be found, as revealed through the use of the charming term "Negroid stock," at his post at: //Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 10:29 AM// - in this thread. It's all on the record.

[seekeronos]

I don't believe the Catholic church analogy is a very good one:

The Roman Catholic Church is a pretty big organization, with nearly 1 billion adherents.

a) Most priests are not pedophiles. Some actually fear God, and are trying thier best to follow Him as best as they know how.

b) Just because a particular pope (Pius XII) kept silent regarding Germany's actions in WW2 does not necessarily mean the entire church agreed with what little was known about the Nazi's handling of the Jews. Nor has it come out that Pius XII was exactly aware of the Holocaust (much less its nature) while (during) it was happening.

c) The Inquisition sucked, and yes, it was generally horrific. Fortunately, I think the RC Church has outgrown that as a means of winning friends and influencing people.

The RC Church, while not perfect, is a far cry better than some other groups claiming to speak for God (Westboro Baptist Church to name one).

As for this church, it may very well be an average, ordinary African-Methodist or Baptist church that happens to have a couple-three bizarre books endorsing black racialism...

-HOWEVER-

Barrack Hussein Obama would do better to "avoid even the appearance of evil", that is, not giving us a reason to suspect that he is endorsing some rather divisive racist politics.

Why could he not have joined a regular Protestant church (regardless of the racial make-up of its congregants)? Instead, he picked this one, the Church of the Controversy.

[TheSpartan]

How exactly is BJU a "radical institution"?

Is interracial dating still against school rules?

[Zifnab]

"Although it admitted Asians and other minorities from its inception, BJU refused to enroll black students until 1971, eight years after the University of South Carolina and Clemson University had been integrated by court order. From 1971 to 1975, BJU admitted only married blacks, although the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had already determined in 1970 that "private schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies" were not entitled to federal tax exemption."

"In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus."

"In a 2000 interview, the then-president, Bob Jones III, said that interracial dating had been prohibited since 1950s"

Oh, yes. Going to a church that sells a book mentioning reperations is exactly the same thing as taking money from a University that actively segregates its students and threatens people with arrest for their sexuality. It's so clear to me now.

[Legalize]

I think Bob Jones actually dropped the interracial ban some time either following or preceding Bush's speech there. It was within the last couple of years, in any event.

[Zifnab]

"The RC Church, while not perfect, is a far cry better than some other groups claiming to speak for God (Westboro Baptist Church to name one)."

I would also like to point out, "Go Pope!" :) :) :)

[Jeff]

Are you dumb or what?

Segregation and no interacial dating are very different.

And homosexuality is against the Christian faith. If they don't want gays on their campus that's their perogative.

And why are you talking about BJU? This is about Obama's Church. If it's OK for Obama's Church to be blatently racist, is it not OK for BJU not allow interacial dating? Or to not allow homos on campus?

[TheSpartan]

That's where we differ Jeff, I don't see a single thing that suggests that Obama's church is racist. They are simply trying to serve a traditionally under served community.

And no, banning interracial dating isn't different than segregation, it's the last bastion of it.

[Legalize]

And BJU doesn't just dis-like homosexulas; it THREATENED GAY ALUMS WITH ARREST if they stepped foot on their hallowed campus. Why you people choose to defend an overtly biggoted institution because being such is "their perogative," while slamming Obama's church with idiotic inuendo, speculation, and your own partisan blindness is beyond me. Ok, it's really not: you guys are just playing the time-honored GOP game of divisive politics and race-bating, general biggotry and hate, rather than have the guts to offer up substantive criticisms of Obama's position.

[seekeronos]

Heh. And this is the part where you get to smear me as a racist, right Legalize?

Well, for what it is worth, I am a Caucasian male married to an East-Asian female, with friends and relatives from many diverse racial backgrounds.

Perhaps my use of the archaic forensic term "Negroid" was ill-advised. I was looking for an all-inclusive term for blacks of both American- and non-American descent, since many blacks (hereinafter to be used in reference to any black persons regardless of immediate ancestry or status of descent from former slaves) like to take issue over whether or not they are descended from former slaves or not.

Apparently, "Negroid" (which I thought to be a forensically acceptable word) upon further research, is indeed charged with a certain negative connotation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid#Definitions

Therfore, I will ask forgiveness for using a potentially offensive word to refer to blacks.

However, the issue of one's status as a descendant (or not) from former slave stock is actually a very key issue for those agitators and polemicists who wish for whites to pay reparations to blacks. (As it would be unreasonable to exact reparations from Asians or Hispanics, as they were never in a position to have owned slaves in the early periods of American history).

Additionally, the population argument remains as well; as long as we remain divide by races and choose to self-segregate, and given the reproductive proclivities of the Mexicans/OTMs - the black, white, and Asians will be minority races in the USA by 2050.

An ideal solution would be to encourage many more mixed race couplings, as a means to create a true melting pot; but old prejudices (regardless of the race of the holder) are very hard to break, as well as our tendencies to seek privilege as a factor of our skin pigmentation (whites by way of presumption, and non-whites by way of playing the victim card as when most advantageous for them).

Lastly - I still want to know:

How is BJU a radical institution? They are a Bible college last time I checked.

[seekeronos]

Ooops. Looks like I took to long to type that last post. :P

[Kite]

Wow....amazing how the true origin of a word has been so falsely thrown about that it's just funny.

The derogatory terms that many minorities scream about came from quite harmless origins. Especially the "N" word. Let's examine.

It does not, as many people think, come from the african country Niger. NO IT DOES NOT.

It stems from the butchering of the english word (originally spanish word) Negro. Now, that word "Negro" is actualy derived from an older and more obscure latin term meaning "Blackening". That term? Nigredo.

Nigredo, Rubedo, Albedo, and Citrinas were latin terms used in scientific chemical processes.

After that quick history lesson it just makes all the hub-bub over "words" all the more stupid doesnt it.

[seekeronos]

Back from lunch.... and now for some more fun with you hippies:

The funny thing is, BJU was tossed up in an apples:oranges analogy.

Now, if he had mentioned a white candidate attending the "LaPorte Church of Christ" (a "Christian Identity" organization in LaPorte, CO)... then we would be talking apple:apple.

Touching back on BJU again: Banning interacial dating is far from "radical". Fomenting armed revolution, or disrupting the social order on a large scale is; but forbidding dating between races on its own campus isn't radical.

It's just socially incorrect. As a private school, it is free to admit and make policies as it sees fit; as a respectable school promoting the cause of Christ, it falls short, and may even violate God's commandment to "love thy neighbor" in a broad sense.

As a matter of policy, BJU would do better to forbid dating altogether, or alternatively, provide a framework for monitored/chaperoned group dating events in keeping with Biblical guidelines for male-female relations that keeps Christ at the center, and denies opportunity for the flesh to yield to sin.

But heathens and atheists would not be able to make any sense of that - and nobody is forcing anyone to attend BJU anyway. :)

[Legalize]

No one is arguing that BJU doesn't have the "right" to be a biggoted institution. And I don't think anyone is especially interested in getting courting adivce form seekeronos. And the analogy is perfectly proper, as the adament defense of the "virtues" of BJU tends to indicate - as is the analogy to Rudy belonging to an religious organization that still perfers that people not use contraception and that priests should spend a lot of time in the company of young men. You are asking Obama to answer for what a church website says, and for a number of books NOT written by him, instead of addressing what the man ACTUALLY says and does.

Futher, all of this hand-wringing about the merits of BJU, apologizing / defending a biggoted university, and cries of "what? Me a racist just because I think in specific terms of race when describing virtually ever facet of civil / political life?" are interesting and all. But, how, exaclty does any of this establish that Barack Obama is a "racialist," or a "black seperatist," or a "black supremicist"? Oh right, that whole cause and effect thing - yeah, that tends to be a bitch for you guys.

So, how does the fact that Obama belongs to a church that espouses black / African pride rise to the level of Barack Obama being any of the afore described "evil" things? What has Barack Obama said and/or done that would lead reasonable person to believe that he was any of those things?

Hint: you must first actually establish what you seek to prove; assuming what you seek to prove is a text-book logical fallacy.

[seekeronos]

Well...

a) I'm not a bottom-feeding ambulance-chasing lawyer (thank God) - which is all I hope you will ever be, since the thought of another ultra-leftie looney judicial activist SCOTUS wannabe judge is just one more step to demise of our great nation. So, you are more than welcome not to accept my legal advice, if for some disturbing reason you see fit to view my argument as such.

b) No, the analogy is quite wrong. BJU is a _private_school_ ... and the Trinity Church is ... hold on, here it comes: a church.

Both endorse some questionable positions, but unless one of Barrack Hussein Obama's competitors, (R) or (D), is a BJU alumnus, this analogy is apples:oranges. Really, it is a non-issue, something that Zifnab tossed up to confuse people as Liberals are so very fond of doing.

And in the long run, it doesn't matter except to besmirch the candidate for his affiliation to an organization with racialist/racist opinions.

Comparing it to the RC Church is also innapropriate, as the RC Church really doesn't have a radical agenda in mind for America. Unless of course, you consider male-female marriages and stable families, and actual replenishment of our population to be socially abberant (as opposed to gay marriage, polyamory, pederasty and bestiality).

I don't agree 100% with the "no-condom" rule, but I'm not Catholic, nor is the RC Church trying to force legislation to ban condoms in the USA.

c) Even _IF_ Barrack Hussein Obama is a black racialist, I'm really not too worried - it's just that many, many other people will care, and it will tend to cause the mainline blacks and non-blacks to think twice, and possibly cause the racialist Farrakhanites to think twice if he flabbles about his church affiliations later down the road.

[mightyjoeyoung]

Wait.

A couple of weeks ago, wingnutville was pushing that Obama was not black enough...hence crap like "Halfrican".

Now he's the next Farrakhan?

Can you guys please choose a talking point and stick to it?

[seekeronos]

Never said he was a racist or a Farrakhan. I'm just pointing out that like most politicians... he is trying to appeal to everyone at the same time, to the point of being nearly inconsistent.

The people lobbing the "Halfrican" charges are unhappy because his great-great-grandaddy wasn't a plantation slave; others raise an eyebrow because he has chosen to associate his (presumably for the sake of convenience) "Christianity" with a church that has questionable ties to Black Racialism.

Oh, and all this because he doesn't want to be painted as a Madrassah-attending Muzzie.

Oy vey, what a tangled web!

[Zifnab]

"How is BJU a radical institution? They are a Bible college last time I checked."

Because segretation based on biblical principle is still segregation. And segregation on the basis of sexual orientation is still segregation. And prohibiting student attendies from watching any movie rated higher than G would be facist if it wasn't so dumb. Segregation and stupid facism are considered "radical" in 21st century America. Thus BJU is radical. QED.

I've had friends who went to Houston Baptist University and Baylor, and neither of those schools were as insane in their student policies as Bob Jones U.

Finally, I'd like to say that I think reperations are silly on principle. Even if you could identify only the families that owned slaves and somehow leveed a "slave tax" that would equitably penalize each person for his benefit from slavery... it was 150 years ago. Are we going to fund reperations for the Mexicans for stealing Texas? Do the English owe Reperations to the Spanish for funding privateers? Should Tunisia sue Italy because Rome sacked Carthiage? Yeah, its generally a silly idea.

But its a silly idea that, at its root, is about reducing the economic disparity between blacks and whites. The endevour is noble even if the methods are flawed. I fail to see how this fundamental idea is racist.

[templar knight]

"A couple of weeks ago, wingnutville was pushing that Obama was not black enough...hence crap like 'Halfrican'".

Huh? Monkeyman, please elaborate.

[mightyjoeyoung]

\\\"please elaborate\\\"

So you fell asleep during the entire spocko kerfuffle? Or are you \\\"accidently\\\" forgetting things on purpose?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612070006

\\\"Halfrican and, again, his father was -- his father was from Kenya, his mother\\\'s white. OK, now, I have nothing with mixed -- nothing against mixed-race people but, my point is, when this guy stands in front of a black audience, pretending like he was born and raised in the hood, and he can identify with their problems, he doesn\\\'t allow -- he is not, in my opinion -- \\\'cause my opinion is your average white guy -- he is not allowed to wear the African-American badge because his family are not the descendants of slaves, OK?\\\"

The Obama isn\\\'t black enough garbage was being pushed by the same wingnuts who pushed that he was some Madrassa attending sleeper agent and the same people who are trying to push that he is now some sort of Louis Farrakhan. Pick meme and stick to it please.

Sure you people won\\\'t come out and say \\\"Barak Obama hates white people\\\" but you\\\'ll cowardly intimate and dance around it. Use garbage like \\\"some say\\\" or \\\"people say\\\". Or maybe \\\"I read on Dan Riehl\\\'s blog that Barack Hussein Osama hates white people\\\". You may not believe it, but you love to pass lies around.

Every right wing blog and radio show in existence is hungry to push something, ANYTHING that sticks to Obama. They get bonus points if they could smear Hillary with it at the same time. This time it wont work.

[Phoenix]

Stupid thread. Let me quote Southdakotaboy who made a good point that was cherry-picked so that his point was lost in this verbal debacle:

"If we in America don't wake up to the dangerous way we are acting right here in the US we are headed down the same path. We need to step back and tone down the retoric that sounds good for sound bites but hurts in the long run.

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