Ignacio Ramos Beaten In Prison

Euphoric Reality seems to have gotten the scope on the MSM, which is breaking this now. I haven't seen a government response.

Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos was viciously assaulted in prison, where he is being held in general population! The assault occurred at 10:00pm Saturday night (Feb 3rd), apparently following the airing of America’s Most Wanted (see video clip below).

Comments

[seekeronos]

If Mr. Ramos is one of the agents who was wrongfully sentenced with regard to shooting an illegal alien trafficking in drugs accross the border, he probably should have gotten a medal.

But now he is probably the subject of many attempts by the Mexican mob behind bars... it wouldn't be surprising when news turns up he was killed by mysteriously slipping on a bar of soap or something equally spurious.

[Legalize]

"Scoop."

[seekeronos]

Has anyone got any points of contact for the families of Officers Ramos and Compean?

I am sure they need all the prayer and materiel support folks are able to muster for food and meeting utilities and the like. One of those officers has three children, and taking away an income in this economy must be a pretty devastating experience.

[johanna]

oh well!!!!!!!!!!!! don't break the law and maybe they would've stayed out of jail! They deserve everything they get in prison, good and bad!!

[Cindi]

Oh well my ass. Perhaps you should follow the link Dan provided for the ENTIRE story. Law enforcement is NEVER, put into the general population in prison, especially prior to being processed. But then again, you seem the type that supports the terrorist now behind bars. Don't tell me........your a member of PETA?

and taking away an income in this economy must be a pretty devastating experience.

Posted by: seekeronos | Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 08:33 AM

I believe the staff at ER which Dan provided a link to, is in contact with the family in some way. This is Heidies email address; euphoricrealitynet@gmail.com. I am sure she will be able to direct you.

[TheSpartan]

I'd be hard pressed to say Dan provided the "Entire" story, clearly the America's Most Wanted bit was slanted towards the Agents. Should they have gotten 12 years? I don't think so, but does it sound like they commited a crime? Yeah it does. Why didn't they report that they fired their weapons? Two guys fire and it was just a snafu? One report also made it sound like they picked up their brass as well, why? Sounds like they were hiding something.

[ed]

Hmmm.

Regardless of whether or not they committed the crime for which they were incarcerated, it is clearly a death-wish to put them into the general prison population in a border state rife with illegal alien criminals.

Who are now in prison right alongside these two former BP agents.

Frankly either this was a massive cockup by the prosecutors or it was entirely intentional on their part.

Stupidity or connivance, your choice.

[Seitz]

"If Mr. Ramos is one of the agents who was wrongfully sentenced with regard to shooting an illegal alien trafficking in drugs accross the border, he probably should have gotten a medal."

He wasn't. He was one of the guards sentenced for shooting a man who was fleeing and not posing any physical threat, then leaving him there to die while also taking steps to cover up the incident, like removing all of the shell casings and filing a false police report.

I don't think it's ideologically inconsistent to say that these guys should be in jail, but not in general population. They deserve to be punished by serving the sentences they were given. They don't deserve to beaten in prison by the other prisoners.

[Seitz]

"and taking away an income in this economy must be a pretty devastating experience."

But Cindi, I thought the economy was great! That's what the Republicans keep telling me.

[Cindi]

"and taking away an income in this economy must be a pretty devastating experience."

But Cindi, I thought the economy was great! That's what the Republicans keep telling me.

Posted by: Seitz | Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Follow the bouncing ball, dipstick. That was not my comment.

[Cindi]

I'd be hard pressed to say Dan provided the "Entire" story
Posted by: TheSpartan | Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Oh Jesus, can any of you robots read? Nobody said Dan provided the "Entire" story, what I said was provided a link, and Dan provided a link to the "ENTIRE" story.
Got it now?

[Seitz]

"Follow the bouncing ball, dipstick. That was not my comment."

Oops, my bad. Sorry. I wish Dan would enable either italics or quotes.

[TheSpartan]

Actually it was someone else that said "Perhaps you should follow the link Dan provided for the ENTIRE story", and my bad if I assumed Dan's link from HIS blog was part and parcel to him telling the ENTIRE story, but the link didn't do it either.

[Bill Adkins]

Hey, it's a prison, not a Sunday School. I bet he gets cable TV, a free pass to the weight room, good food, a comfortable bed. You want to coddle criminals, Dan, you old softie.

[TheSpartan]

Hey, it's a prison, not a Sunday School.

True, but the chances of getting raped are about the same.

[Buzzy]

There were only three people there that night, two border patrol agents and a drug smuggler. The agents say it appeared the smuggler had a gun in his hand as he turned. There isn't any hard evidence as to if he did or did not because the smuggler escaped back into Mexico. You know what, I'll always take the word of the good guys over that of a drug smuggler in a case like this. I'll take the word of any one of you over that of a drug smuggler in a case like this. You should too because if the prosecutors decide to start taking the word of people who they have to grant immunity to in the absence of actual evidence every person who might have to defend his life against a criminal is in a world of hurt. In real life you have milliseconds to shoot or die in a gunfight while everyone else has all the time in the world to second guess your choices and crucify you. Yeah, I'll take the word of just about any honest citizen or cop over that of a drug smuggler. In a case like this, without a shred of evidence, how would any of us even begin to prove the smuggler had a gun.

[Bill Adkins]

Convicted without a shred of evidence. Buzzy, you got a buzz on?

[seekeronos]

The border patrol agents were convicted of a crime with penalty far more severe than what was needed for "not filing a disharge of weapon" report, or other incident report as was required.

If that was truly the issue at stake here, the the worst that the agents deserved was a reprimand for not filing the report. Not jail time.

As for the smuggler, last time I checked, he was still a free man, and filing a suit for $5 million against the (US) government which offered him amnesty to testify against the agents.

I smell a rat here, and there has to be a trail of payola going on somewhere. Sutton may have been "just going by the book" here, but why is it that we take a criminal drug smuggler and illegal migrant's word over that of two federal agents with otherwise good service records?

If justice meant letting the smuggler go free on account of mismanagement on part of the agents, then we can suffer with that (until the criminal attempts another drug smuggling).

However, we want to kowtow to our Mexican overlords who wish to gut the Southwest out of the USA and reverse the Treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe. I don't see the advantage.

The border should be closed, sealed, and patrolled with deadly force; preferably with AC-130 Spectre gunships and National Guard units with a "shoot to kill, ask questions later" ROE.

[TheSpartan]

It's not as simple as "going by the book" the guys discharged their weapons, picked up the shells and didn't report it. They had to figure there was no way a smuggler would report it.

I still think the punishment was harsh, but something was clearly rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Kite]

The illegal was a drug smuggler and was entering this country, without permission (thus the illegal part), and threatened the patrol officers. They discharged their weapons to try and stop a threat. Why are we even debating this? The patrol officers were doing their job! People entering this country illegally aren't protected and we need to stop pretending that they are.

Ignacio and his partner need to be pardoned. Immediately. If you disagree then you are deranged.

[TheSpartan]

I guess I'm deranged. There job is to stop the guy, yes. But if he poses no immediate threat why shoot? And do you really think these guys forgot to file their paperwork? Oops I forgot I discharged ny weapon at a guy I claim was armed. Riiiight. If that's the case we're hiring some morons on the border patrol and maybe we need to look at the standards for the job. I think it's much more likely they fired, realized it was a bad shoot, tried to cover it up and misjudged that the guy might come forward.

[Buzzy]

@bill adkins, nope sober here. Do you know of any physical evidence as to if the smuggler was armed. Maybe some vids perhaps, eyewitnesses neither the defense or prosecution know about.

It all boils down to if the smuggler had a gun in his hand and without any evidence to that effect we can only decide if we wish to believe the word of two BP Agents or a drug smugger.

Are you smoking anything out that way, it's not that murky.

[TheSpartan]

The DOHS report released today says the following:

The report also notes that other agents on the scene that day could not confirm whether Aldrete was armed and initially lied about whether they were aware of the shooting. They later cooperated with authorities. Those agents, whose names were removed from the report, were not prosecuted.

So there were other witnesses and they lied for the agents initially.

[Buzzy]

Or will this be just another lie DHS and Sutton have fed to Congress hoping this case will fade away. DHS admits it's lied to Congress about this case before, should we trust them now?

We need a full, light of day, public investigation into exactly what happened on the day of the incident and every step of the investigation and trial. We need the transcript of the trial soonest, I'm sure if there were witnesses there they were put on the stand.

[Buzzy]

But Sutton says that the only other witness there was Agent Juarez.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53856

Agent Juarez initially backed up Ramos and Compean's accounts but changed his story when threatened with being charged along with the other two agents. He received administrative leave for lying to federal investigators from the Border Patrol. Lying to a Federal Investigator is a felony crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison, so a stint of paid administrative leave must have sounded mighty nice.

So there were four witnesses to the incident, counting the drug smuggler. Ramos and Compean rejected a light plea agreement from Sutton's office, Juarez took some paid leave as opposed to prison time and testified for the prosecution. Does making it sound like multiple witnesses changed their story stil count as lying to Congress?