Democrat Madness

Is John Murtha crazy, or is it simply senility setting in? And, no, I'm not kidding. It's becoming increasingly clear he doesn't have a grasp on what's going on in Iraq. We aslo know Pelosi's judgment when it comes to leadership can't betrusted. She dropped Jane Harmon from intelligence, but put Jefferson on Homeland Security.These are not people who are going to make government better.

As for Murtha's cluelessness, it's getting so bad, it's starting to get noticed.

Comments

[BobInStamford]

Think it's as bad as that doddering old fool Reagan? What a disgrace that geezer was. Geez.

[Darth Malice]

They know what they are doing.They want defeat.They have not changed since the sixties.Sadly the Republicans don't have the heart,spine,and cojones to fight back.

[Jon G]

Please explain just exactly what you think that Murtha doesn't understand and what you think is going on in Iraq. Looks like a Civil War to me.

[Phoenix]

Jon G,

Did you bother to read the link?

"Chris Wallace played a clip of John Murtha opining that once American troops are out of Iraq, peace will descend upon that Nation and al Qaeda will disappear."

Does that help? "...peace will descend upon that Nation and al Qaeda will disappear." That make sense to you?

[templar knight]

I said in a thread right here on this blog yesterday that Murtha was senile or crazy, and nobody even mentioned it. Darn!

[Jon G]

Brit, with Bill Kriston at his side, opining that someone doesn't understand what's going on in Iraq. That's rich. These guys have been administration cheerleaders from Day 1. They helped sell the whole package - WMD's, ties with Al Qaeda, oil will pay for it, etc. Then the Good News wasn't getting reported. Iraq was about to turn the corner. But now it's the War opponents that don't understand. Black is White, Up is Down.

[Phoenix]

Who cares about Brit or Kristol. They don't make policy. Did you READ what Murtha said?

I'll ask you again: Does what Murtha said make sense to you?

[templar knight]

And Left is right, Jon G, is that what you mean? Yes, yes, let's give everyone a dose of the Leftist manna, try it out, force feed it if necessary, and wait for the results. I can just see it now, a veritable paradise of head-chopping, murders, and religious fundamentalism not seen since the 7th C. You don't think your buddies the Islamists are going to stay away from your party, do you, Jon G?

Oh, you do! Hahaha! Will you ever be stunned to see them show up at your front door looking for YOU, Jon. They will not be satisfied with the crumbs, Jon.

[Jon G]

Here's what Murtha's proposing. Are you guys really against this?

"In addition to training and equipment standards, Mr. Murtha's proposal calls for units to get at least one year at home between tours overseas, no deployments lasting more than a year and an end to the "stop-loss" program that lets the military recall troops who have completed their enlistment commitments."

It was Bin Laden - the guy Bush says he doesn't really thing about any more - that attacked us, not Iraq. Refereeing a civil war between Shias and Sunnis is a waste of lives and money.

[Purple Avenger]

Murtha is clearly senile.

[templar knight]

What I'm for, Jon G, is letting the military decide what they want and need, without the kind of interference that Murtha's law seeks to impose. Let the military decide.

[Jon G]

Murtha probably is speaking for the military, or at least large portions of it. I doubt the rank and file soldier would have any problem with Murtha's proposal, especially those on their third or fourth tour in Iraq or got sucked back in on a stop-loss move. And the military doesn't get to make those kinds of decisions - it's under civilian control for a reason - it's in the Constitution.

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What sets Murtha apart from most fellow Democrats is his close connection to different layers of the armed services. The congressman regularly visits with wounded troops, but he also talks to battle commanders. "Jack Murtha is one of a kind," said Rep. Curt Weldon (Pa.), one of the few Republicans who rose in Murtha's defense during the Friday night House debate. "He is an example for all us in this body, and none of us should ever think of questioning his motives, his desires or support for our American troops."

[templar knight]

Weldon is from Pennslyvania himself, and perhaps he and Murtha are old friends, but I have a problem with a guy who knows no more about the military than to suggest a redeployment to Okinawa or Guam, wherever it was. Regardless, it was a stupid idea.

And to suggest "that peace will descend on Iraq just as soon as we leave" contradicts statements made by he and other Democrats, and may I include you in their number, John G, that Iraq is embroiled in a civil war. That sets Murtha apart alright, and puts him either in the stupid or senile category, you decide.

[Jon G]

I have no idea what Murtha said. There's a link to some other blog that says something about a clip Chris Wallace played, but there's no quote or link to a clip. The quote you ascribe to Murtha comes from that blog, but it's not a Murtha quote, it's a summation by the blog owner, which may or may not be accurate.

So to be fair, if you're going to attack him, please provide a full transcript of what he said so we can all judge his statement on it's merits.

[Legalize]

It would be nice if there was an actual clip of the interview and/or a transcript that actually, you know, details what Murtha is actually saying, instead of what the usual Faux News talking heads, and an ideologically pure right wing blog SAY he is saying.

Of course, it is a lot easier just to make stuff up instead of actually linking the text of the bill he is proposing, which is what he is on record as actually advocating.

And, templar, the Congress is charged with the task of deciding what the military gets in terms of personnel, money, and equipment. If you'd rather have a completely autonomous military with no civilian oversight, I'm sure there is a despotic and fascist state out there who would love to have you. Absent that, push for a consititutional amendment stripping Congress of its powers in this regard.

[BobInStamford]

You sheep voted (twice) for a moron that cannot even speak in complete sentences. If he didn't screw everything up so badly, squander billions of $$ and our national image he might even be funny. In any case, surge on!!

[Dan Riehl]

Murtha's an empty headed old coot with less sense than God gave bark. They should run his fat, dumb butt right out of Congress. And he can take his ABSCAM money with him.

[Legalize]

Another quality, and *civil* retort from the the man, myth, the legend, Dan Riehl.

Of course this one is a step up from the usual:

"OMGz Murtha iz st0000pid LMAO LOL!!!!1111on111one!1"

[BobInStamford]

Dan's just excited about the prospect of civil unions in NJ. He's having a hard time concentrating.

[Legalize]

Expect threads about "limp wrists," penises, and a general fear / hatered of female sexuality to get ramped up heavily in the coming days - I mean more than usual.

[templar knight]

Legalize, you dumb ass, of course the Congress approves weapon programs, personnel, etc., but has not been in the business of micromanaging the military this way, or why would Murtha's bill be any different? And where the hell did I say I wanted a "completely autonomous military with no civilian oversight"?

It would be nice if there was an actual statement I made where I said that I wanted the military to be autonomous, and free of any civilian oversight.

Of course, it's a lot easier just to make stuff up rather than reading what the commenter actually said. Sound familiar, dumb ass?

You've been in your stash today, I see.

[templar knight]

You seem to know quite a lot about civil unions, Bob? That, and making up sock puppets just about covers your repertois.

[Mullah Cimoc]

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and this juan williams. him fake liberal? is this trick or this dumb dumb man make the comment?

[Jon G]

Dan: Since you don't feel like having a civil discussion, I'll raise your empty head congressman with one Worst President Ever.

[BobInStamford]

What the hell is a repertois? It sounds kinda French and I know how you flat-earth Freedom Fry eaters feel about them. It must be one of those words that your leader made up - like nukular.

[templar knight]

Bob, it's not my job to introduce you to the cultural aspects of life, nor teach you anything that might improve your mind. But, if you will just continue to read and think about what I say, and act accordingly, you will likely find the people around you gaining a newfound respect for both your acquisition of knowledge, and improvement in your personality.

[BobInStamford]

You're the worst kind of dope - the kind who doesnt realize that he is one. Reminds me of your leader. Stay the course.

Btw, it's repertoire, asshat. You must have been busy defending freedoms the day they taught that one.

[Purple Avenger]

If you're going to be a spelling critic Bob, you would do well to use actual dictionary type words yourself. Otherwise you wind up looking like an "asshat".

[Dan Riehl]

Wow French and a Mullah all in one day ... I feel so international! This must be what it's like at the UN!

[JustOneMan]

The funny part was Jaun Williams pained expression as he was forced to defend Murha....

[Phoenix]

I saw that. It was killing him, and he *had* to do it. I like when Juan makes Brit mad. Doesn't happen often but watch out when it does. Good TV.

[templar knight]

I see you didn't act accordingly, Bob, and take my advice. Still have those same personality problems, don't you? Oh, well, I didn't expect much out of you so I wasn't disappointed.

Reminder to self: Google is my friend.

[Legalize]

Legalize, you dumb ass, of course the Congress approves weapon programs, personnel, etc., but has not been in the business of micromanaging the military this way, or why would Murtha's bill be any different?

Micromanaging the war what way, crack baby? Examples? By setting standards and appropriating money for the common defense? By raising and maintaining the armed forces? Congress has always exercised power and scrutiny over war - until it failed to do so with the Iraq war.

"And where the hell did I say I wanted a "completely autonomous military with no civilian oversight? .... Of course, it's a lot easier just to make stuff up rather than reading what the commenter actually said. Sound familiar, dumb ass?"

You said: "[let] the military decide what they want and need, without the kind of interference that Murtha's law seeks to impose. Let the military decide."

You want the military to decide what it needs without interference from Congress, i.e. you want it to be autonomous. That's what "letting one deiced without interference" means, genius. Are you going to try to play a pedantic game of semantics when you can't even point to the provisions of Murtha's proposal that you disagree with.

"You've been in your stash today, I see."

The degenerative effects caused by generations of inbreeding, is starting to catch up to you, I see.

[Philip McDaniel]

I just love how all you left-wing loonies opine on things you know nothing about. Here’s what will come down in your lifetimes: The loopy left and the Democrat Hive will endanger the very existence of our country. Somewhere, out on the defensive perimeter, one of our generals will decide to make a move to stop the nonsense once and for all. As with Rome, the Senate will fall and the Empire will have begun. The ass kicking will start at home and go on to cover the globe as our Legions march relentlessly on. Get ready for a 1000-year plus reign of the American Empire sans kool aid drinkers.

[templar knight]

You know, my dad told me years ago to never debate a fool like Legalize, because a fool will deceive and willfully lie in an attempt to make himself look better. But dad, forgive me just this one time.

Legalize, I'm going to make it simple, so you can wrap your mind around it. I said to let the military decide about deployments, length of time in theatre, and whether or not its troops were combat ready.

I never said, nor does my quote, "Let the military decide", which only applied to this issue, that the military should be autonomous. Those are your words. Stop projecting your interpretation onto what I said. You do nothing but play the fool, and play it well, I must add.

And speaking of playing a game of semantics, you wrote the book on it with respect to this blog, pinhead.

[Legalize]

Sure, templar. Trying to backpeddal your way into making it seem like you have the first idea as to what you are talking about, reflects very poorly on me. You continue to dodge and weave your way around answering what about Murtha's plan is so objectionable, especially given that Congress has ALWAYS intervened in such matters purusnat to its extensive Art. I powers.

And Phillip McDaniel seems to be as purely insane and paranoid as you. You guys should spend some time in the sunshine and fresh air a few hours a week; it would do you some good.

[Philip McDaniel]

Keep sipping on that kool-aid, Legalize. There's a good boy.

[Jon G]

Here's a quote from the guy the REALLY doesn't have a clue about what's going on in Iraq.

Q Do you believe it's a civil war, sir?

THE PRESIDENT: I can only tell you what people on the ground, whose judgment – it's hard for me, living in this beautiful White House, to give you an assessment, firsthand assessment. I haven't been there; you have, I haven't.

– G. W. Bush, 2/14/07

[scarshapedstar]

"I haven't been there; you have, I haven't."

What about Operation Midnight Turkey?