al-AP Strikes Again

Both links to lgf:

The AP backpedals on a previous report.

And uses a terrorist as an allegedly objective source. Funny that they left that item out.

Comments

[pinson]

"Top White House officials are scrambling to prevent a showdown over the Iraq war that could tear apart the Republican Party and severely undermine President Bush's plan to increase U.S. troop levels."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2480.html

[LegalizeLegalize]

Detective, you do realize that the original report you linked to, from the AP, states that the AP got its information from U.S. military sources, and that it wasn't clear what happened. It's not "backpeddling" to release a second story that says "some of the information we got from our source in the military might not be correct."

[Zifnab]

"The comments also hit a nerve in Lebanon, where lawmaker Nawar Saheli told AP Television News that Bush should listen to the Lebanese people."

Yeah, you tell'm Riehl. Quoting duely elected lawmakers? Wtf is up with that? Thank god LGF caught this in time. I'm sure it'll be making headlines on FOX right between "Can America Vote for a man with hair as short as Obama's?" and "63% of Democrats want US troops to get blown up by roadside bombs!"

Didn't the AP consult the Bush Blacklist of People You're Not Allowed To Talk To before publishing this story?

And then, on top of it all, the AP goes completely out of line by publically disclosing it only has single sources for the helicopter downing. But the news isn't the helicopter downing, it's the fact that the AP hasn't verified their sources yet. OMG!!! Why, if the White House was as slipshod with its Intelligence as the AP is with its reporting we'd have invaded a country for no good reason by now.

And who the hell is this Jamiel Hussien guy, anyway? I think the AP just made him up.

[yyy]

They just do not learn.

They don't seem to understand the moral of the boy who cried wolf story, nor do they seem to have learned anything by their insane contentions that Mr. Hussein was made up by the AP.

Sooner or later, or maybe we've already reached 'later' the right wing blogsphere is going to lie itself into irrelevance again...their stupid swift boat lies and contentions will have been debunked so many times the non right wing nut jobs will automatically assume whatever they say is a lie.

Are they going to declare victory and say AP lied if it turns out there was a second helicopter and the military source got it wrong? Will they demand to know the name of the military source or say AP made him up? Will they demand the military source be arrested and jailed for giving information to AP without attribution?

What about the senior white house officials who give information without attribution? Ain't that how the NYTimes got all them WMD stories so wrong, from unnamed white house sources?

Lord, lord.

[scarshapedstar]

I'm sure the Lebanese people love it when we interfere in their already pathetic sham government.

[Bill Adkins]

Yep -the AP is backpedalling here -- but then again, so is the Pentagon. YOu'd think they'd learn after the Tillman scandal. It's the lies, stupid.

"Contrary to public statements by the U.S. military, four U.S. soldiers did not die repelling a sneak attack at the governor’s office in the Shiite holy city of Karbala last week. New information obtained by The Associated Press shows they were abducted and found dead or dying as far as 25 miles away."

"The U.S. officials said they could not be sure where the soldiers were shot after being captured at the compound. Iraqi officials said they believe the men were killed just before the Suburbans were abandoned."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826151/

[Steve-o]

So, AP, where are the burned mosques? Where are the burned people? Oh, yeah, didn't happen. Never mind. The AP is doing God's, oops, never mind, um, Godly..no, uh, gosh-darned good work reporting stuff that would be really bad if it actually happened, by golly!

[K Ashford]

Wait, how is admitting that a report is "unconfirmed" backpeddling?

And now that the report HAS been confirmed by our military (i.e., the soldiers were kidnapped and executed AFTER the helicopter crash), how is this an embarrassment to the AP?

It seems that those trying to fisk the AP for "false reporting" are the ones with the egg on their face. LGF, I'm looking at you.

[yyy]

The burned mosques are right where AP, Jamil and the rest of the witnesses said they were.

You must not have gotten the memo that Jamil Hussein is no longer the whipping for the blog nutters.

[botanophobic]

"right wing nut jobs" -- i think you mean to say "rational individuals". all you no-war-for-oil kids are all the same, just looking for another reason to rebel and another cause to take up. any rational, sane human being can come to the following conclusion:

The AP and Reuters actively engage in a campaign of disinformation by walking a fine line between "spinning" the facts and publishing outright lies.

The media at large, worldwide, does not like George Bush. Like a bunch of rebel-hate-your-parents, makeup wearing goth kids smoking cigarettes and decked out in black, the MAINSTREAM of the liberal population in the United States routinely takes the side against their own country, government and military simply because they're twisted view of what is right or wrong can actually be boiled down into nothing more than a massive case of i-hate-my-parents-fight-the-power syndrome.

I wish these idiots would go over and try to play nice with your average Muslim in the Middle East and see how long their head remains above their shoulders.

[Charles Johnson]

K Ashford: you're confusing two different news reports. Please try to keep up.

[K Ashford]

Sorry, Charles. I think YOU need to keep up. Within the past couple hours, the US military has confirmed that the soldiers were abducted and shot ...just as the "lying" AP originally reported: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826151/

[Charles Johnson]

At the risk of repeating myself, you're confusing two different stories. But please do keep insisting.

[Bill Adkins]

"right wing nut jobs" and "rational individuals" - are oxymoronic and certainly not synonymous. But thanks for the chuckle.

[yyy]

The world at large doesn't like George Bush, as proven by the surveys where in some countries, European countries he ranks right up there with Bin Laden as a bad guy.

Do they have hate their parents syndrome too?

Or, maybe we are right and the rest of the world is right and the facts on the ground are right and Bush is wrong.

[Steve-o]

yyy: Yes, the mosques are right there, the only problem is, they didn't burn, they aren't even scorched, and no families can be found that report burned family members. It's another lie by the Associated With Terrorists Press.

[Bill Adkins]

"right wing nut jobs" and "rational individuals" - are oxymoronic and certainly not synonymous. But thanks for the chuckle.

[Bill Adkins]

"right wing nut jobs" and "rational individuals" - are oxymoronic and certainly not synonymous. But thanks for the chuckle.

[Legalize]

I think Ashford is, in fact, conflating two different similar stories. But neither Chuckles nor Dan is willing to discuss the fact that the AP's source was the U.S. military. If that information was incorrect, then yes, the AP led with incorrect information - provided to it by the entity pretty much in the position to confirm or deny such facts. When the AP got revised info from the military, it corrected its story - kinda like reporting that religious firgures in Iran are dead; or that Jamile Hussein doesn't exist; or that Iran is forcing Jews and homosexuals to wear visible identification; or that Barack Obama studied intently at a hardcore "Maddrassah," or that CREW made up the whole Congressional page scandal; or that the IDF didn't blow up a building full of civilians in southern Lebanon; or that John Edwards concealed the identity of the people who purchased his home; or that Macacca won the VA Senate race; or ...

[Murqtaad]

"Sorry, Charles. I think YOU need to keep up. Within the past couple hours, the US military has confirmed that the soldiers were abducted and shot ...just as the "lying" AP originally reported:"

So you liberals win! Woo-hoo! Way to go, PATRIOTS!

/sarc

[Joel]

Don't you just love it when the lefties spew their sophmoroic brand of hate so much that they can't even follow the lies spun by the MSM? Apparently, the fact that there is a Jamil Hussein somewhere in Iraq is now proof positive that all the false reporting done by the Associated Press is now somehow legit. Try again.

[sglover]

"The media at large, worldwide, does not like George Bush. Like a bunch of rebel-hate-your-parents, makeup wearing goth kids smoking cigarettes and decked out in black, the MAINSTREAM of the liberal population in the United States routinely takes the side against their own country, government and military simply because they're twisted view of what is right or wrong can actually be boiled down into nothing more than a massive case of i-hate-my-parents-fight-the-power syndrome."

Ah. Interesting. Tell me, do you ever get out of the house?

[Zifnab]

So now let's play everyone's favorite game. Who is Dan Riehl covering for? Any guesses?

"BAGHDAD, Iraq - Four American soldiers were abducted during a sophisticated sneak attack last week in the Shiite holy city of Karbala, the U.S. military confirmed Friday. It said three were shot to death and a fourth was mortally wounded with a gunshot to the head when they were found in a neighboring province, far from the compound where they were captured.

...

Within hours of the AP report that four of the five dead soldiers had been abducted and found dead or dying about 25 miles to the east of Karbala, the military issued a long account of what took place.

It said, "Two soldiers were found handcuffed together in the back of one of the SUVs. Both had suffered gunshot wounds and were dead. A third soldier was found shot and dead on the ground. Nearby, the fourth soldier was still alive, despite a gunshot wound to the head."

The mortally wounded soldier was rushed to the hospital by Iraqi police but died on the way, the military said."

Looks like the US Army was covering up another catastrof*ck. At least, so says the AP. So now the question is, who are you going to believe? The Bush Brass, or the Bagdad Press Corps?

[Zifnab]

So now let's play everyone's favorite game. Who is Dan Riehl covering for? Any guesses?

"BAGHDAD, Iraq - Four American soldiers were abducted during a sophisticated sneak attack last week in the Shiite holy city of Karbala, the U.S. military confirmed Friday. It said three were shot to death and a fourth was mortally wounded with a gunshot to the head when they were found in a neighboring province, far from the compound where they were captured.

...

Within hours of the AP report that four of the five dead soldiers had been abducted and found dead or dying about 25 miles to the east of Karbala, the military issued a long account of what took place.

It said, "Two soldiers were found handcuffed together in the back of one of the SUVs. Both had suffered gunshot wounds and were dead. A third soldier was found shot and dead on the ground. Nearby, the fourth soldier was still alive, despite a gunshot wound to the head."

The mortally wounded soldier was rushed to the hospital by Iraqi police but died on the way, the military said."

Looks like the US Army was covering up another catastrof*ck. At least, so says the AP. So now the question is, who are you going to believe? The Bush Brass, or the Bagdad Press Corps?

[Poitiers-Lepanto]

I never read the marxislamofascists' comments and posts at DeliriousUnderground or at ScrewTheAmericanWarriors, so I am pretty amused reading the posts of the commie- friends- of- the- islamoterrorists here.

Man, we call them moonbats for a reason !

ONWARD MUSLIM SOLDIER !
ALOHA SNACKBAR !

Congrats, and thanks for the laugh.

[Harkonnendog]

There IS no police captain Jamile Hussein in Iraq. The AP gave him a pseudonym without saying they did so. And the story of the destroyed mosques HAS been debunked. They're still standing... there are pictures of them.

And none of you find it odd that the AP would go to a terrorist for an opinion of Bush and just not mention he's a terrorist?

Is this another example of the Patriotic Terrorist meme running around? Is any opinion that criticizes Bush valid now, even if it comes from a terrorist?

[Legalize]

"Don't you just love it when the lefties spew their sophmoroic brand of hate so much that they can't even follow the lies spun by the MSM? Apparently, the fact that there is a Jamil Hussein somewhere in Iraq is now proof positive that all the false reporting done by the Associated Press is now somehow legit. Try again."

Uh, no, Captain Logical Fallacy. The premise, proffered by the wingnut-o-world, was that because Hussein didn't exist, the stories he reported, therefore must not have happened, therefore NOTHING reported on by the AP in Iraq can be trusted, by definition. There was never a contrapositive to that "if - then" statement. The only argument in return was, even if Hussein doesn't exist, this does not necessarily discredit the whole of the reporting in Iraq. In fact, because dozens of other outlets report similar occurances, it is likely that many of those occurances did, in fact happen. In other words, it is impossible to offer a contrapositive to an if-then statement that assumes, as fact, what it seeks to prove.

Well, *shocker* it turned out that Jamile did in fact exist, which destroyed the wingnut theory at its base. Rather than admit that you were wrong, you move the goal posts and say, "well he exaggerated, therefore war reporting can not be trusted."

The basis for all of this bullshit is that we are actually winning the war in Iraq; in fact it is a resounding success, and that it is really the media and the left (who necessarily hate America), who are lying in order to undermine the war effort (because they hate America) - no matter what anyone in a position to know better has to say about it. No matter what the administration's own assessments have to say about it. Is the Administration making this up?

No, you are deluded cultists, who can not admit being wrong, who can not face the fact that your revenge fantasies are not working out just like they do in video games - with ever-waning credibility, both in the Riehl world, and in the Real World.

[ps annie]

How the Press Fails America:

BLACKSBURG, VA., November 30, 2006 — Jim A. Kuypers, assistant professor of communication in the College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at Virginia Tech, reveals a disturbing world of media bias in his new book Bush’s War: Media Bias and Justifications for War in a Terrorist Age (Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc. 2006).

Convincingly and without resorting to partisan politics, Kuypers strongly illustrates in eight chapters “how the press failed America in its coverage on the War on Terror.” In each comparison, Kuypers “detected massive bias on the part of the press.” In fact, Kuypers calls the mainstream news media an “anti-democratic institution” in the conclusion.

“What has essentially happened since 9/11 has been that Bush has repeated the same themes, and framed those themes the same whenever discussing the War on Terror,” said Kuypers, who specializes in political communication and rhetoric. “Immediately following 9/11, the mainstream news media (represented by CBS, ABC, NBC, USA Today, New York Times, and Washington Post) did echo Bush, but within eight weeks it began to intentionally ignore certain information the president was sharing, and instead reframed the president’s themes or intentionally introduced new material to shift the focus.”

This goes beyond reporting alternate points of view. “In short,” Kupyers explained, “if someone were relying only on the mainstream media for information, they would have no idea what the president actually said. It was as if the press were reporting on a different speech.”

More: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23531_How_the_Press_Fails_America

[Jake Thomas]

Nice to see Chuckles Johnson stopping in to visit one of his two-bit brain-dead
winger buddies.
Charles, two questions:
1. Is Khameni still dead?
2. Any comments on the fine treatment that Maher
Arar got from George Bush and his merry band of torturers? What a patriot
that GW is!

[Murqtaad]

"Looks like the US Army was covering up another catastrof*ck."

Zifnab, I won't question your patriotism, you have none. I will question how many enormous, REAL, "catastro#ucks" we have had? If you bring up fakes like Haditha or jokes like Abu ghraib, you lose. Now give it a try.

/Thank God you didn't see 'Nam.

[Ward Cleaver]

Ashford, now you're *really* confused. The MSNBC piece is about the four soldiers abducted from the compound in Karbala. The LGF link above is about the helicopter that crashed under heavy fire, on Tuesday, in Baghdad.

The second LGF link above is about the AP's use of Lebanese Hizb'Allah political leader Nawar Saheli as a source, portraying him as a "lawmaker". Since Hizb'Allah resigned from the government, he's not a "lawmaker" anyway, just a terrorist mouthpiece.

[Dan Riehl]

Careful if the lgf'rs leave too much logic in this thread, I'll have to clean up the exploding liberal brains off the sidebar. God what a little mess.

[cfbleachers]

I've written this in a guest blog article at Flopping Aces, but I suppose it bears repeating here...there is NO "Jamil Hussein".

No such person as "Captain Jamil Hussein" exists. The guy who was playing Hussein for the AP...denies being a source...and the use of the term "source" needs to be defined with some clarity.

The "issue" however, was not solely whether some guy named "Captain Jamil Hussein" existed (he doesn't), but rather...whether he was a credible source on the story of six immolated Sunni's doused in kerosene, lit on fire, shot in the back of the head and taken to a hospital morgue. All...false.

The "source" was bogus, for a variety of reasons, the story was bogus...on nearly every salient point, the "clarification" given by the AP was bogus and their "explanations" for why this guy is "sourcing" 61 stories outside his district with zero personal knowledge of the facts...has been non-existent.

If the "shot in the back of the head" portion of the downed helicopter story is not factual...then this represents a PATTERN by the AP, which...when layered upon the Green Helmet guy staging news, and with the whole of the phony "Jamil" sourced bogus story...gives a bigger picture of how we are being fed a "message" about Iraq...which is not based on FACTS on the ground...but rather, in loose caricatures about what is happening.

Don't waste your breath or get carpal tunnel writing that "well, nyah, nyah, nyah...then everything must be peaches and cream and rose petals in Baghdad...kiss my foot and make you cry" or whatever other puerile rantings you might be inclined to send...it misses the point. The truth matters and I'm not interested in leftist "messages" or caricatures of that truth...or in "truthiness" or any other "lesser factuality for greater truth" memes. They are inane and so is anyone who advances them.

[Harkonnendog]

Legalize, if you want to see how many of Jamil Hussein's (not his real name, btw, it is a pseudonym) stories are corroborated by others you can go to this post:

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/210518.php

I think you'll be surprised.
Also, try to understand. The right side of the blogosphere doubted a ridiculous story. They demanded access to the source. The AP would not provide the source, and the source could not be found because nobody by that name has the job the source had.

Finally someone with a different name that is very slightly similar was found who had the job the source supposedly had. The AP's policy is to never use pseudonyms without stating that's what they're doing. The Mosques that were supposed to have been destroyed are there. Nobody can corroborate that people were burned alive.

This is not a big win for AP credibility nor a loss for the right side of the blogophere. The name was false, the story was false, the other stories are largely uncorroborated- probably false.

[yyy]

You people really are INSANE.

I cannot believe you are still trying to beat up AP over the Jamil Hussein nonsense. My god the Iraqi government ARRESTED HIM for being the source, allegedly without official permission.

The original source for the AP story on the soldiers and the helicopters was OUR OWN MILITARY

NOTE TO RIGHT WING MOONBATS: War is hell, things are confusing, sometimes in war, the first set of facts are incomplete or incorrect.

Ask Geoge Bush about that whole weapons of mass destruction thingie.

[Chiron]

"I think Ashford is, in fact, conflating two different similar stories. But neither Chuckles nor Dan is willing to discuss the fact that the AP's source was the U.S. military. If that information was incorrect, then yes, the AP led with incorrect information - provided to it by the entity pretty much in the position to confirm or deny such facts. When the AP got revised info from the military, it corrected its story - kinda like reporting that religious firgures in Iran are dead; or that Jamile Hussein doesn't exist; or that Iran is forcing Jews and homosexuals to wear visible identification; or that Barack Obama studied intently at a hardcore "Maddrassah," or that CREW made up the whole Congressional page scandal; or that the IDF didn't blow up a building full of civilians in southern Lebanon; or that John Edwards concealed the identity of the people who purchased his home; or that Macacca won the VA Senate race; or ..."

It wasn't the military. It was some "defense official" in Washington, who would have no first hand knowledge of what happened. How would they have accurate news about the story before the military officials examining the scene? The AP basically printed office gossip that they received from an unofficial source. That's what passes as journalism these days.

The TRUTH (if you care) is that the person was speaking on an initial report of the incident that turned out to be false.

The link to MSNBC above that the person is trying to pass off as the same incident, is not. It's about an attack on a base by insurgents disguised as US army.

[Richard Romano]

Easy there yyy--the left are the moonbats, the right are, well, the right :)

Nice try to the rest of the lefties here--you are patriots, NOT!

[tinman]

Umm

Dude the Swift Boat Veterans were proven and documented to be right. Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam in order to obtain Purple Hearts to get out of Vietnam early. It has been proven by Kerry's own words and Navy documents and eye witnesses and the historical record.

"...It is seared into my memory when I was in Cambodia hearing President Nixon say there are no troops in Cambodia" LIE! Kerry was never in Cambodia as the historical recor states. Nixon was president from JAN 1969 on. Kerry is a liar.

Jamal Hussein HAS NOT BEEN ARRESTED by the IRAQI government. To this day the AP has not produced him. We only have the AP saying he exists and no one else has verified this.

[Natrium]

yyy:

Er, could you please let me know, exactly please, what lies the Swifties told? No ad-hominem please. To make it fair, please let us know exactly what lies Kerry told.

I'm talking of verifiable lies. None of this he said/she said stuff.

[Harkonnendog]

"I cannot believe you are still trying to beat up AP over the Jamil Hussein nonsense. My god the Iraqi government ARRESTED HIM for being the source, allegedly without official permission."

They did not arrest Jamil Hussein. That name is a pseudonym for someone else. Jamil Hussein, and Jamil Gholaiem Hussein are pseudonyms for Jamil Gulaim Innad "X".

What is so hard to understand about that?

Furthermore, the story has been debunked. The mosques weren't destroyed and people were dragged out of them and burned alive.

[mike]

Some of you moonbats have apparently only be relying on the talking heads in the moonbat community for your facts on the case. It doesn't help that the moonbats picked up on the story only when a police captain was discovered (ignoring the story up to that point because they didn't have grounds to pounce at conservatives) and have dropped the story since further developments have undermined the AP's credibility.

Here are the facts:

1) Jamil Hussein doesn't exist. An individual by the name of Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim does exist. AP violated its own policy of not relying on anonymous or pseudonymous sources in its stories. Compounding its unethical behavior, it did so without informing its readers that the source of it stories was pseudonymous.

2) The mosques were not burnt down as originally reported. There suffered some fire damage to some rooms and to the outside but were hardly destroyed. There isn't the slightest evidence that anyone died.

3) Given the dishonesty in this report, Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim's ability to pop up all over Baghdad, far outside his precinct, to report on other alleged atrocities almost exclusively against Sunnis deserves further scrutiny.

The only defense moonbats seem able to make on behalf of the AP is to continually cry "fake but accurate" (albeit employing more snarky language). So long as Iraq has difficulties, the left seems willing to accept any amount of disingenuous reporting from the region that bolsters their opinion of Iraq as being tolerable.

Why the left is so upset about this story is beyond me. Aren't liberals the ones always insisting that the mainstream media doesn't really hold a left-wing POV? Why defend such dishonesty if the AP doesn't share your biases?

[Fresh Air]

My but the dorm rooms across America are a hive of online activity today! Whole lotta stupid crammed into these comments. Charles Johnson's visit raised the average IQ of the posters here by at least 25 points.

[Joe Wilson]

Hi Charles and leaping lizards!

How do you like me now? LOL!

[suprbigmikey]

Why isn't anyone mad at the extremists for executing helpless prisoners of war? (handcuffed in an SUV.) Oh wait, they are freedom fighters and are not held to the same standards that we are. Why doesn't the media say anything about that? They won't say a word about it because the media/leftists think that our troops should be executed. The more bodies the better.

[getalife]

Um, the msm is corporate run like the gop.

Dan,

Got credibilty yet?

Geez.

[Hankmeister]

Ask George Bush about that whole weapons of mass destruction thingie.

You truly are a moonbat in denial.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html

When evidence is produced that there were still 500 WMD in various states of storage and operational readiness found by American troops at various weapons depots, some even in pristine condition, the world of left-wing moonbattery jumped on a "highly placed anonymous source" in the Defense Department that ahem'd that the WMD were manufactured before 1991 (all of them? And what evidence was provided to support that allegation?) and were non-operational. Like lemmings over a cliff the Bush-bashers glommed onto to this tissue-thin excuse to dismiss these 500 WMD as ... whatever. May not be stockpiles but they are WMD nonetheless which raises this question, just where are those WMDs that UNSCOM and the Clinton Administration was 100% sure Saddam had in 1998-2000? But I guess the inquiring minds on the left just don't want to know and don't care any more since they've got their "Bush lied" mantra going full bore.

But here's the problem, UN Resolution 1441 doesn't contain any exclusionary language with respect to date of manufacture or operational status of said WMD. In other words, WMD are simply (can you guess?) WMD! These munitions were precisely the kind of delivery systems that were suppose to be turned over to the UNSCOM inspectors. But I guess its Bush's fault that Saddam's military either lost the records to over 500 WMD or they didn't store them properly and thus whatever chemical or biological agents in them degraded. And I blame the Bush Administration for not properly articulating this reality.

Also keep in mind these are the same people who claimed America sold WMD to Iraq in the late 1980s when the State Department greenlighted the sale of dual-use precursor chemicals for agricultural use in Iraq. Call it naive, but it wasn't illegal and neither were they WMD. But isn't it interesting when those same type of precursor chemicals are found in 55 gallon drums in various munitions depots in Iraq, next to artillery rounds and mortar shells converted to biological/chemical delivery, they are no longer WMD! How simply Orwellian this left-wing double-think.

So here we are talking about the liberal "reality-based community" which now says the AP report about the immolation of six or eight Sunnis was real despite the fact there are no bodies or families who claimed to have lost family members to such an atrocity, and the same left-wing media sycophants also claim the second part of the AP report concerning the four mosques having been burnt to the ground is real despite the fact there is clear photographic evidence (who are you going to believe, the AP or your own damn eyes, right?) which shows only one mosque, which was previously abandoned, was severely damage while the other three are still standing though lightly damaged by gunfire!

Which goes to show you, the anti-war kool-aid™ drinkers don't really concern themselves about actual proof but rather in creating their own bizarro world of media perceptions and then trying to force everyone else to live in that house of cards! But credit is due them because they've been somewhat successful in their smoke and mirror tricks since far too many formerly reasonable Americans have fallen for the lamestream media's narrative of constant negativism because they've cultivated a certain gullibility with respect to media memes. But once independent historical analysis follow up on these media faux pas, history won't be too kind to these new-age media propagandists and the liberal lemmings who swill down everything that NYT/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/NPR/CNN spews as if they are the veritable Oracles of Delphi for our generation.

[getalife]

Hankmeister,

Quick, contact cheney with that information.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16546019.htm

Geez.

[getalife]

Here is something you will not see on the msm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuMAooG6SM&NR

[Dan Riehl]

Thanks getalife - pretty cool vid I thought. How 'bout you?

[ilovelgf]

I wish all muslims were executed. The world would be a better place

LGF 4 LYFE!!!