Are We Not Christians? Are We Not Men?

I don't know, the men part of that is a quote from something I'm too tired to recall. Ah, Devo. Thank God for Google!

Thank God?? Can I say that here?

But beyond the shameless, shallow pandering by Goode is a revealed truth; that too often Republican politicians are using this “traditional values” theme to capitalize on some unimagined fear as in the case of Goode and his phantom Muslims. We also see other individual groups like gays targeted as somehow being in conflict with traditional American values – as if these values are practiced by people solely as a result of their religion, sexual orientation, ethnic heritage, or any other qualifier that a politician seeks to use to drive a wedge between us.

Rick Moran's criticism of Virgil Goode strikes me as unusually ham-fisted for him, as well as disjointed. He starts with Debbie Schussel, perhaps as he needed more than one individual upon which to focus his moral rage. But in going off as he does, I believe he misses the most important point in the discussion of a potential growing Muslim influence in America and her politics.

Founded, to a degree by Deists, or not - American tradition and the root of her social values is Judeo-Christian belief. That is a fact and no amount of protestation is going to change it. Though certainly a large influx of, say a Muslim or Hindu population most certainly would.

That said, whether or not one wishes to conclude such change would be for the better or the worse is a different matter. But certainly everyone is welcome to an opinion on that score. And for Virgil Goode to point to that reality as a fact is very far from a crime. For those who take pleasure, or perhaps even pride in America's Judeo-Christian foundation, any change in its profound influence may justifiably be cause for their concern.

I didn't see anything from Goode that talked about outlawing Islam. I didn't see anything suggesting Muslims should not be permitted to run for office. Actually, he was pointing out the exact opposite by suggesting that a significant increase in our Muslim population would very likely lead to an increase in Muslim politicians.

A few other items seem worth pointing out - Allah touches upon one here.

Here’s the clip. “All of us [Muslims] are steadfastly opposed to the same people he’s opposed to, which is the terrorists,” says Ellison of Goode, which is a wonderful sentiment but would be a lot more wonderful coming from someone who isn’t palsy walsy with CAIR.

Again, another truth. As is the notion that many Muslims currently in this country, though certainly not all, haven't exactly taken a strong public stand against Islamo-Fascism.

Still other groups, such as the flying Imams, have opted to take a very vocal and public stance in attempting to create a certain victimology around any new American-Muslim class. Consequently, it is only logical for some to ponder whether or not America needs a large influx of immigrants intent on playing the victim card while showing a certain lack of care when it comes to assimilation.

Whether or not Rick Moran is personally comfortable with the notion of a conversation in and around Muslim immigration being had isn't really of great concern for me. But the fact that America would likely benefit from an open discussion on the matter at this particular point in her history is. And while it certainly would be un-American to be thinking of passing laws which restrict any religion, it is far from un-American for her to consider regulation of her borders with an aim toward managing her demographics, assuming that is what a majority of current Americans wish to do.

I don't know if that's the case. But I know that if we never have the conversation, then America could easily stumble into some demographic mess she would prefer to not experience. Last time I looked there are many populations we restrict as regards permanent residence into this land. We turn back many Cubans every year, for example. And if we are to have any kind of policy on immigration from the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, then this discussion is one we should foster and not attempt to close down.

Comments

[FrickinPhilistine]

Mr. Buck,

>The weirdest thing is that conservative Christians agree with strict Muslims on so much: right down the line on social freedom issues, the fundamentalists of both faiths oppose liberals.<

I had to read this twice. Unless the MSM is hiding the stories, the Christian Fundies don't stone their daughters for talking to young men. I'm wondering, though..... anyone else but Fundies oppose liberals?

[robert lewis]

Sorry, Grandma - whatever the Celts are - they are NOT Germanic - the Celtic langages: Welsh, Gaelic, Breton, Cornish.

"there were no people in England that weren't on the European continent first. Keep that in mind, fool."

Well - Duh - Grandma - there were also no people in Europe that weren't in Afica first, ya stupid bitch. In any case - Riehl is a Kraut name - but Lewis sure ain't. So why dontcha shut it when you don't know what your'e talking about.

[Robert's Grandma]

Robert!

How dare you speak to me that way?! What a bad boy you are and I've written you out of the will. However, I might rethink that as you did reconcile the fact that you and this 'Riehl' person share the same genes. Now summon up your inner-bonobo and have some fun sex with Jane. Be sure to keep it down so Chimba and Cheetah don't hear you. Grandpa and I always waited for the kids to go to bed before we let the vines down.

Grandma

P.S. Which one of you is 'real'? Now grow up, son.

[fiskhus jim]

George Bush is NOT a Christian, either.

You can always tell a hypoctritical, blaspheming criminal by comparing his actions to his words - and, although Our Lil Georgie is at great pains to always reassure us what a good Christian he is, his actions tell a different tale.

George Bush is clearly indifferent to notions of morality and law - in fact, his glee and delight at the suffering and even death of others makes it clear that Bush is NOT a Christian, but, instea, follows some other, darker path.

[Tommy "Bringin Da" Paine]

“He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death”

All you cons got is name calling, eh?

We can all see how you hate our founders and our western, liberal values....

Joe Buck burns yall down. Ever read the "Original Pledge"? How about the Treaty of Tripoli?

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Kind of dismisses any argument you cons got...

[Tommy "Bringing Da" Paine]

Oh yea, I forgot to mention...

"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."

Read my book "AGE OF REASON" for more gems like the above...

[Crickets Chirping]

I hear me....

The more research you do, the more you find that virtually all of our founders detested Xianity...even Johnny Boy Adams

"This is a Christian nation"...you might try looking up the origin of that tripe...

[Jon Moore]

Virgil Goode is an unrepentant, racist twat who seems torn from the pages of some bad Klan movie. It's difficult to imagine his ilk managed to slip into the 21st century, given their obvious inbreeding.

[Scott S]

I am sure that the same people who want to keep Muslims out of America are the same ones who would burn a cross in the yard of an African-American family that moves in next door.

And ask yourself this? Aren't we trying to mold the world into our image? Does that mean the rest of the world should ban Americans from their soil? That sure would disappoint the Mormons who - by the way - put their faith in some guy named Smith AND want everyone else to do so too. My God! We need to ban Utah-folks from the rest of USA! They will corrupt our Christian society!

Jesus would be so proud of you racist jerks.