Natalee Holloway Suspects Back To Court

Fox News is reporting that while Dutch authorities are traveling to Aruba in the over a year old investigation, the three primary suspects in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are heading to court to petition to have themselves cleared, as no new evidence has emerged in over a year.

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[hehehe]

Bottom line , Natalee was herself responsible for her own fate because of her libertine and wanton behaviour . She and her whole bunch of MB sluts went to Aruba for a week long fuckfest and Natalee the Queen Slut went a bit too far in her exploits .

[hehehe]

I just hope Beth and Dave are reading this .

[kaycee77025]

tangent, once one set of facts don't fit, imaginative "what if" scenarios start appearing. Or the lack of facts gets sidetracked to lies and gut feelings.

[yyy]

Kaycee,

Since no crime occured against Natalee, then she must be alive, why hasn't anyone turned her in, how did she get off the island? why hasn't she contacted ALE?

[windy city]

kaycee has unconditional trust in J2K. Circumstantial evidence doesn't exist in kaycee's world. "No smoking gun = no crime" to kaycee.

Right now the Kalpoes should be awaiting trial for lying as witnesses. They obstructed an investigation by implicating 2 innocent men. Why are they still walking free?

Too many conflicts of interest on Aruba to ever get justice on one of their own. Does kaycee find it interesting that many of the D utch persons questioned have left the island? That most in charge of the investigation no longer are? My guess would be no.

[longtom]

Even Beth has moved on and believes Natalee is in Heaven as per a recent TV appearance. Rail against the wind as long as you like but in the end, wishing Natalee at Peace may be all we can do.

Posted by: offonatangent | Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 03:17 AM

you are just a two bit troll.....or trollette

[windy city]

Long time longtom. How have you been?

[yyy]

I've come around to believe K2 don't know what happened to Natlaee and that she was alive when they left her. I don't exonerate them necessarily from participating in an assault against her, but I lean toward the idea that they didn't, but did witness Joran assaulting her.

I thought the comment about the porn DVD making Natalee think they were perverts really had the ring of truth, if you intended or did rape a girl you wouldn't care at the time if she thought you were a pervert or not.

[kaycee77025]

yyy, I have no proof if Natalee is dead or alive, and neither do you. We know she is missing. If we knew she was dead then she wouldn't be missing, would she?

windy, you can talk to me directly ... kinda ... it seems you're stating your opinion, but I don't know if you're quoting Aruban law. It's just more shoulda's and coulda's. If there were some way to keep any of j2k in jail, they'd still be there.

[yyy]

You don't need a body to determine if someone is dead. If she fell off a cruise ship there would be no body but she would be declared dead.

In the reality of not parsing words on a blog, she is either dead or alive, the fact that she is missing is unrelated to her status as alive or dead.

Just because for whatever reason you choose NOT to consider circumstantial evidence as evidence, even though it is considered evidence inside and outside the courtroom is irrelevant.

The fact is, there isn't any circumstantial evidence indicating Natalee Holloway was alive beyond May 30th. None, zero, nada, zip.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to indicate that she is dead and that she died in close proximity to May 30th.

[Mike]

Tangent,

I heard it out of Joren's mouth himself during the Greta interview that Deepak came up to him in the casino and said he had a person who would state that he seen them drop Natalee off at the HI....Croes.

Here is the link you wanted:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319/

I don't think she was as you say disposed of in a 3 hour window.....they had 10 days to make Natalee's body disappear not 3 hours. And as I said I believe she met her fate not on the beach but elsewhere.

As for no one seeing her at the beach...Joren said they got access to the beach from right next to the Marriott and then walked to the fisherman's huts and again no one seen them or came forward after all this time and a 1 million reward hence in my opinion they were never there.

[kaycee77025]

But Natalee was on a island when she disappeared. Laci Peterson was simply missing until they found her.

[yyy]

What's the difference? It is A LOT easier to make yourself disappear in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen than as a tourist on a tiny island, where they had never been, where the native language is not English and where they were allegedly last seen passed out on the beach in the middle of the night.

Laci Peterson was dead from the minute her husband killed her. She was just as dead when she was 'missing' as when her body was found.

[patrick]

"What's the difference? It is A LOT easier to make yourself disappear in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen than as a tourist on a tiny island, where they had never been, where the native language is not English and where they were allegedly last seen passed out on the beach in the middle of the night."

Just wanted to add : Natalee spoke Spanish , a language well understood in Aruba as well as neighboring Latin America .

Aruba is a tiny island but not in the middle of nowhere , less than an hour's boat ride from the mainland where she could have been carried dead or alive .

[yyy]

I find the idea of some Venezuelan boaters coming upon Natalee asleep or awake on the beach and carting her off to be pretty unrealistic.

How did they see her from the shore at night? Were they just on the prowl hoping to find some passed out women laying on the beach and got lucky?

I can't imagine bringing a dead Natalee back to the mainland after traversing all that open water when you could just weight her down and throw her over board.

Nor can I remotely imagine that ANYONE took a live and willing Natalee off of Aruba and failed to claim the substantial reward.

[patrick]

"I find the idea of some Venezuelan boaters coming upon Natalee asleep or awake on the beach and carting her off to be pretty unrealistic."

I find it more realistic than imagining Joran single handedly succeeding in disposing of Natalee's body within am hour and a half , without any trace whatsoever .

Its been stated that the island had some visitors with boats from Venezuela for the Soul Beach festival some of who were camping outdoors (possibly close to the beach) . Its possible that someone found her on the beach and offered her to escort her back to her hotel and assaulted her instead .

Its possible that Natalee was kidnapped , taken on a boat to the mainland , raped and buried there or , as you say simply taken out to the sea on a boat and dropped into the high seas .

[yyy]

All of that is possible but none of it explains Joran's numerous lies.

Why did he lie in the first place?

Why did he lie about apparently inconsequential things like dancing with Natalee and especially about saying Natalee was the one who he won money back for when it was NOT HER but someone else?

Why did he keep up his lie after it was crystal clear that Natalee had not gone on a bender and was not going to show up?

Why did he keep up his lie after two guys got detained based in part on his and K2 statements about Natalee being left at the HI?

Why did he first 'forget' what shoes he was wearing and then say he left them on the beach?

Why did he make up not ONE but THREE totally different stories as to what happened that night?

Why is either Joran or K2 STILL LYING about how he got home?

Why did he ask his friends to lie and say they saw sex acts with Natalee they later said they NEVER SAW?

[longtom]

Long time longtom. How have you been?

Posted by: windy city | Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 02:48 PM

gross computer problems...........go bearsss

[patrick]

All of that is possible but none of it explains Joran's numerous lies.

Why did he lie in the first place?

To save his ass , 'I just dropped her back to the hotel , did what I should have done '

Why did he lie about apparently inconsequential things like dancing with Natalee and especially about saying Natalee was the one who he won money back for when it was NOT HER but someone else?

Well he did dance with Natalee and witnesses saw that . Natalee asked him to come to CnC according to a MB kid .

Why did he keep up his lie after it was crystal clear that Natalee had not gone on a bender and was not going to show up?

Thinking that changing his story would mean trouble for him . Very irresponsible and stupid no doubt .

Why did he keep up his lie after two guys got detained based in part on his and K2 statements about Natalee being left at the HI?

Same as above . BTW the guards were detained due to Deepak's lie .

Why did he first 'forget' what shoes he was wearing and then say he left them on the beach?

Since he decided not to bring up the beach at all in the first story .

Why did he make up not ONE but THREE totally different stories as to what happened that night?

Two different stories essentially as far as Natalee was concerned a ) dropped her at her hotel b) left her at the beach

Why is either Joran or K2 STILL LYING about how he got home?

If Satish suddenly confesses that he picked Joran up he would be under a new wave of suspicion .

Why did he ask his friends to lie and say they saw sex acts with Natalee they later said they NEVER SAW?

Because maybe he wanted his friends to testify that they could clearly see what was going on and hence everything was indeed consensual as he was saying .

Posted by: yyy | Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 04:34 PM

[yyy]

Except he says in one of his statements that he did not dance with her.

You also forgot to explain away the "Deepak and Satish dropped me off first and left with Natalee" story.

Or why such a nice guy would say that 'maybe' his good friend Deepak raped, killed and burried Natalee, instead of saying 'maybe' she drowned after he left her.

False exculpatory statements are evidence of consciousness of guilt, period.

You may believe the guilt was over leaving a girl alone on the beach, but I don't.

I believe the nature of the lies, the number of the lies, the content of the lies, the entire content of the first story itself, ESPECIALLY about her falling down to the ground, is extremely suggestive of lying to cover up the truth about what happened to Natalee Holloway.

[patrick]

I never said Joran is a 'nice' little kid , but I am not convinced that he is involved in a crime that led to Natalee's disappearance . As a matter of fact neither am I convinced that he isnt . Seems like we would never know what happened .

[TRUTH]

Natlaee died at the hands on Joran Van der Sloot. His dad knows what happened and very well might be the one that helped get rid of the body. The other two know what happened also. They are all liars. They have to live with this whether they tell the damn truth about it all or not. They will continue to live a life of misery. In their own minds THEY know what happened to Natalee Holloway. They are all liars and others were involved as well and they are lairs too.
The island should be named DEVIL'S ISLAND. Even the damn (NO) law enforcement department covered crap up for Paulus.
One scummy little drug infested island.
It's all a damn shame.

[yyy]

I have to agree with you on that, I will never go back to Aruba and I will encourage anyone I know to never go to that wretched island.

I don't think we will ever know what happened, there is a chance that Natalee's body would be found in a year or something but I think the two places she most likely was put..the ocean or a dumpster that was emptied into the island dump make it virtually impossible for that to happen.

It's possible in 20 years some enterprising reporter/detective/writer or whatever will do something on the case and some witness will come forward...but that is also very unlikely in my view.

[hehehe]

"I have to agree with you on that, I will never go back to Aruba and I will encourage anyone I know to never go to that wretched island."

I will encourage anyone I know to not raise sluts like Natalee Holloway .

[Mike]

This is the result that could have happened if the ALE did their jobs properly as in Vermont

http://burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/NEWS01/61025013/1009

Of course they didn't wait 10 days to start a half assed investigation.

[yyy]

I really don't think these guys would have been able to fool the majority of trained US detectives, nor do I think that any American police force would have publicly disrespected the victim and her family during an ongoing investigation.

The reason that we are able to solve crimes in the US without having to incarcerate suspects for 3 months, and still come up with nothing, is that actual investigative procedures are used, detectives have actual training in interrogation techniques....

I truly can't imagine the uproar in the US if some American detective running a major case had to explain why HIS OWN SON gave false testimony in the very same case. The guy would be out of a job...in Aruba, not even a peep of discontent or questions.

[jackson80]

I will encourage anyone I know to not raise sluts like Natalee Holloway .

Posted by: hehehe | Wednesday, October 25, 2006 at 07:38 PM

takes one to know one. what a weak troll U R.

[Paige]

There are numerous reasons why there is no proof. The first reason is there has to be an investigation to search for proof. Joran got away with his crime. He has to live with that every day for the rest of his life.

[kaycee77025]

Now we have patrick and yyy.

Why worry about lies that have no bearing on proving what happened to Natalee?

[yyy]

For the last time

False exculpatory statements are evidence.

How could numerous lies told by the last people seen with an alive Natalee NOT be important to the case?

I do not believe innocent people of any age make up hugely complicated stories, more than one hugely complicated story, all that include multiple lies simply because they are scared.

People lie to police to cover up their criminal acts, thus, the lies the boys told are central to the case, they are the key to what really happened..determining what is truth and what is lies.

[kaycee77025]

Evidence that has already been taken into account. Aruban courts have already taken those lies into consideration.

IF there is NEW EVIDENCE, those lies may again come into play. It's old news which, by itself, is meaningless. You get mad at me for telling you you need new facts while you constantly churn the same stale meaningless (at this time) complaints.

You seem pretty smart ... how would you go about generating new facts? Rewards didn't work. Dr. Phil didn't do much good either. Gitmo and waterboarding would get results, but not necessarily the truth ... but most people here aren't interested in truth, but want revenge for some act that, at this point, is simply imagined.

[yyy]

The only possible way to generate new facts is to re-interview everyone associated with the case.

The suspects, their families, their friends, the bartenders at C&C, any patrons at C&C's that night, the MB students who were on the beach that night, Natalee's roommates, the hotel staff at the Marriott and HI, any guests that were ever found or interviewed who had rooms viewing the beach at those hotels, any local from Aruba who hung out with Natalee during her stay there, the fake witnesses and the real witnesses, anyone who lives or was known to be near any of the areas where the suspects are believed to have gone, etc.

I don't think anymore searches for Natalee will be useful since no one knows where to search. There isn't any forensic evidence to examine or interpret, since ALE says there was nothing found in K2's car or anayones house/computer etc.

I doubt it will do any good but that is the only possible way to either get someone to tell the truth when they lied before or uncover something or someone that was previously overlooked.

[patrick]

"People lie to police to cover up their criminal acts"

Not necessarily . And I dont think the suspects lied to cover up any criminal acts either .

[DEEP THROAT]

DEEP THROAT

[patrick]

"The only possible way to generate new facts is to re-interview everyone associated with the case."

Absolutely .

[yyy]

I don't think this case will ever be prosecutable against anyone...its an interesting example of how the media can be a double edged sword.

I happen to believe that if there had been no media coverage there would have been no investigation and Natalee would have been declared either a runaway or a drowning victim..but since there was CNN on the island to get the facts they couldn't do that...

However, its also true that media coverage has totally contaminated the case, even possibly the suspects own statements. Who is to know whether or not Joran and Natalee talked about her plans to be a doctor or whether Joran got this info. from her mom's media interviews? If she had not been on TV, then maybe Joran would have given wrong info. or no info. about what he and Natalee talked about, which could have been further evidence of his lying.

Similarly, how can anyone at this late date be trusted really w/their own memory? Someone who even truthfully believes they saw the suspects or even Natalee somewhere cant' really be trusted due to the saturation media coverage. Even a legit witness might also be fearful of being suspected and thrown in jail so would not be willing to come forward and go through the police/TV grilling...

Every freaking detail of the case is now in the public domain, it seems there can be little that has been held back that could be used to test any new information or evidence, anyone can come forward or tailor their story to the facts as known since just about every thing is known by the public.

The case is a disaster from every perspective, but I believe it all started with the crap investigation and attitude from ALE...if they had been professional and thorough from the beginning then Beth might not have had a meltdown within the first two weeks and decided her only hope was to rally the American people behind her, she might have stayed quiet and let the ALE do their job...but, since she rightly concluded ALE wasn't competant..for whatever reason...to investigate the case she went ballistic....

However, in the final analysis, while her very public strategy might have harmed the reps of the 3 suspects, might have shown a light on ALE corruption, it didn't in the end, do anything to help get answers as to where Natalee Holloway is or what happened to her on May 30th.

[kaycee77025]

So, all you're doing here is complaining about the unfairness of the situation?

[patrick]

"I happen to believe that if there had been no media coverage there would have been no investigation and Natalee would have been declared either a runaway or a drowning victim"

I dont think thats a reasonable thing to believe .

[patrick]

"meltdown within the first two weeks and decided her only hope was to rally the American people behind her, she might have stayed quiet and let the ALE do their job...but, since she rightly concluded ALE wasn't competant..for whatever reason...to investigate the case she went ballistic...."

Well the simple fact is that whenever you have a missing loved one , whether in America or Aruba or elsewhere , you demand answers and are frustrated when you dont get those answers . I would say that Beth was at an advantage to pressurize Aruba using the boycott tactic simply because Aruban economy is so much dependent on American tourists . Can you imagine her doing the same thing if Natalee were missing say in France ?

Time and again family members of missing persons have shown frustration regarding the investigation in the nightly cable shows here in the US but they were not armed with the boycott weapon that Beth was .

[yyy]

Yeah, but the boycott has done what?

If people are not going to Aruba in the same numbers they did in 2004 or early 2005 it is not because Beth Twitty told them to but because all of the coverage has left them with a negative impression of Aruba...I thought the boycott was a bad idea, not because I think Americans should go to Aruba, I don't, I will never go there again, but because it was pointless in terms of implementation and it became a rallying cry against Beth and Natalee...a reason to 'punish' them by not investigating/not cooperating in solving the case.

I just can't imagine the stuff that went on in this case going on in most American cities or even small towns. Total incompetance+public hostility to the victim's family+trashing the victim in the media+police, prosecutors and their children caught LYING about the case??

[patrick]

I just can't imagine the stuff that went on in this case going on in most American cities or even small towns. Total incompetance+public hostility to the victim's family+trashing the victim in the media+police, prosecutors and their children caught LYING about the case??

Posted by: yyy | Thursday, October 26, 2006 at 02:44 PM

Public hostlity to the victim's family ? Where did you get that ? When did the police trash the victim ?

[patrick]

I dont think most people really care anymore about the NH case and wouldnt mind going to Aruba , now that the media attention is off . Its safer to be vacationing in Aruba than Daytona Beach / Miami / Panama City even if you factor in the perceived incompetence of ALE . It sounds totally assinine to me to encourage people to not go to Aruba .

[yyy]

It isnt' an issue of safety, Aruba appeared to be the safest Carribbean island I had ever visited and I have been to many islands. I'm sure Aruba is much safer than the city I live in.

The reason I would not go to Aruba and would urge others not to go to Aruba is the latent anti-Americanism that became apparent, at least to me, during this case, the callous way the victim's family was treated and the overall 'poor us' attitude that the disappearance of an 18 year old girl on holiday was somehow less important than Aruba's image or tourism numbers, the bashing of Natalee that occured in the Aruban media and on Aruba web sites....which to me is disgusting.

When Dompig went on TV with his ridiculous statements about wanting to know about the donations the family was receiving in order to rule out a fraud scheme, what would you call that? If he really believed the family was running a scam, shouldn't he have kept his mouth shut on TV and just investigated them? What that was another lame attempt to take the heat off his lack of progress by trying to put the spotlight on the family. I would call telling Vanity Fair that Natalee drank all day and night and missed breakfast, the implication being she missed breakfast due to being too drunk to get up, as trashing the victim. It is simply a more subtle way of saying 'she asked for it' than actually saying she asked for it.

[patrick]

I just can't imagine the stuff that went on in this case going on in most American cities or even small towns. Total incompetance+public hostility to the victim's family+trashing the victim in the media+police, prosecutors and their children caught LYING about the case??

Posted by: yyy | Thursday, October 26, 2006 at 02:44 PM

I cant imagine the victim's family in most American cities acting like bullys , threatening the police and misbehaving with the authorities (Dave's drunken brother tried to attack the Prime Minister , according to Dave himself) . They behaved as ugly Americans who could achieve anything by force on that small island , " burn down Aruba " , " bring hell to it " . And they expect the Aruban public to cooperate in the investigation .

[patrick]

"The reason I would not go to Aruba and would urge others not to go to Aruba is the latent anti-Americanism that became apparent,"

If that is so , I would advise you to never step foot out of America because like it or not , anti Americanism exists worldwide . I was surprised to find that I was the only American in the group when I went to places like Amazon rainforest in Brazil or the glaciers of Patagonia while you always find people from other parts of the developing world like Germany , Switzerland , Netherlands , Britain and Australia .

[patrick]

Dompig is an idiot but anyone who wont go to Aruba because of what he said is well .. not much different either

[yyy]

I've been to many, many countries and I've never encountered blatant anti Americanism anywhere but Mexico and a few places in the Carribbean, Aruba was not one of them, from my firsthand experience. Nobody treated me badly in England, France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Austria, and so on...I got a bad vibe in Germany...

I don't like victim blaming, period. Not from my fellow Americans and certainly not from a bunch of keystone cops or a relatively ugly worthless little island that appears to be full of congenital liars.

No, the family would never have gotten away with what they did here in the US, but no US police force would have gotten in a snit and punished them by failing to investigate their daughter's disappearance or purposefully making public inflammatory information about their daughter to further punish the family.

It depends on whether you think the police incompetance came first or the family bullying came first. I believe the police incompetance and lack of urgency preceeded the family meltdown.

I would have been suspicious from the minute Paul van der Sloot told the group that they had no business questioning his son since Natalee had not been missing for 48 hours? Jesus Christ, wouldn't that set off your alarm bells? Wouldn't you expect the father to tell his son to tell the truth, not try to evade any answers because the legal timeframe wasn't up yet?????????????????????

[patrick]

It depends on whether you think the police incompetance came first or the family bullying came first. I believe the police incompetance and lack of urgency preceeded the family meltdown.

I would have been suspicious from the minute Paul van der Sloot told the group that they had no business questioning his son since Natalee had not been missing for 48 hours? Jesus Christ, wouldn't that set off your alarm bells? Wouldn't you expect the father to tell his son to tell the truth, not try to evade any answers because the legal timeframe wasn't up yet?????????????????????

Posted by: yyy | Thursday, October 26, 2006 at 03:24 PM

If it is true that Jug and his team claimed to be FBI agents when they approached the VDS residence , then I would say the bullying started first .

There are thousands of Americans who have been going to Aruba for decades and have had a very nice experience with the locals there , so the fact that you got treated well in the countries that you have listed doesnt say much about the level of anti Americanism prevalent in their societies . I have a friend from Greece who says a popular slogan among the Greek youth goes

" NY , LA fuck the USA "

[patrick]

"You Aruban assholes get your act together " was what Jug supposedly said .
so yes , the bullying started before any signs of police incompetence .

[patrick]

I would have been suspicious from the minute Paul van der Sloot told the group that they had no business questioning his son since Natalee had not been missing for 48 hours? Jesus Christ, wouldn't that set off your alarm bells? Wouldn't you expect the father to tell his son to tell the truth, not try to evade any answers because the legal timeframe wasn't up yet?????????????????????

Posted by: yyy | Thursday, October 26, 2006 at 03:24 PM

Thats because they being rude and apparently threatening Joran and Deepak standing on the VDS property at 3 am . Any unsuspecting father would have done what Paul did .