Meanwhile

They are teaching people to not fight back. And so goes America.

A suburban Fort Worth school district has halted a program teaching students to attack a gunman if he invades a classroom, administrators said Wednesday.

The district will continue to train students in how to respond to life-threatening situations but no longer will show them how to take down an attacker, spokesman Richard Crummel said.

Comments

[RFYoung]

Cowards!

[Ed Muntin]

More on school safety here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTxMdZimgKw

[BumperStickerist]

A discussion that goes on way too long on a related topic.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1556673&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=9&o=14&vc=1

Decadent West's post is no longer available. Maybe Allah or Ace has a copy of it.

[Rick]

How many 3rd graders does it take to tackle a mad man?

[jaime]

Yes. Kids attacking a man with a gun. Sounds real safe.

[Phoenix]

When I hear arguments against self-defense in cases like this, my mind immediately flashes back to descriptions of the two killers in the Columbine library holding one girl in the sight of their guns. One of the killers asked her if she was a Christian. She was on her knees and answered yes. He blew her brains out. That library was filled with kids. Suppose those kids had taken the 'aggressive' approach to this kind of madness? Those killers had their backs to many other students at various times........ 3rd graders, 12th graders...it makes no difference. Get 'em. It sure beats standing over the gravesite of your own child wishing his school buddies had been anything but sitting ducks.

[Rick]

Phoenix do you not realize the difference in size between a 9 year old and a 17 year old? Now if we're training teachers, custodians and principals to tackle people. I'm all for it.

[Phoenix]

Rick,

I won't address the mindlessness of your question, but if we train teachers, et. al, and also train the kids to start throwing anything they can get their hands on while the 'adults' are doing their thing, all the better. Chaos, mass confusion will disorient a killer who is, no doubt, already quite disoriented in his own right. But to put the onus on a single teacher in a classroom of 24 little kids - nope. Tear the place down with throwing and screaming and shouting and running around..... don't let the little kids just sit there while some woman takes on the guy. Help will come, but chaos must rule the instant the danger is noted. If you can picture that scenario, you -can- imagine just how it might scare the daylights out of some dude thinking he rules because he has a gun..

[jaime]

Are you people fucking crazy? Shit like this is more likely to set someone off on a rampage. Forcing an assailants hand guarantees someone gets shot.

This could only come from the minds of chickenhawks. Big Badasses when they're playing Halo or typing up retarded notions like this, but when push comes to shove, their the first one to run from a fight.

[Rick]

careful Jaime, someone who's never been near a hostage situation )in training or real life) might accuse you of being "mindless".

[jaime]

Right. They get to fight the battle of ideas on their fat asses while some kid trying to be a hero gets shot in the head taking their advice.

[Rick]

Jaime; in the majority of these situations society would have been better served by paying attention to the shooter before he went off. In most cases it has been some kid who has complained for years about being bullied.....and no one listened. When it's been a nutcase adult, they normally have a track record of violence. Maybe even got locked up for a while.

[jaime]

"When it's been a nutcase adult, they normally have a track record of violence. Maybe even got locked up for a while."

Spoken like a true commie. If we can't live in a world where 3rd graders bite at the ankles of an armed assailant distracting him, while the teacher pulls out shaolin style kung fu and knocks him to the ground, we can't call ourselves Americans.

[Rick]

LOL, Let's issue the kids circular saw blades to fling at 'em and the 60 year old half blind teacher a twice barrel 12 ga. Of course, we'll have to go back to allowing the little ones to play dodge ball.....only to develop their fighting skills you understand.

[jaime]

"allowing the little ones to play dodge ball.....only to develop their fighting skills you understand."

Although we should have an exceptions for children who are bleeders, wear glasses, or have pilonoidal cycsts. We can put them in a different club, the Future Right Wing Bloggers, Pundits, and Leaders of America.

Hey Rick, Rush Limbaugh avoided the draft because he had a pilinoidal cycst in his tailbone. Wikipedia decribes it this way.

"It usually happens in young people, up to their thirties in age. Conditions in which it commonly occurs include obesity, body hair around the area in question, and a sedentary lifestyle"

Rush Limbaugh couldn't fight in Vietnam, not because just because he was a coward, but because he was a lazy fat ass.

[Rick]

I did not know that...but then I haven't been too interested in Limbo's ass. I have noted though, that among the most pro war are those who've never been near one.

[Rick]

I just saw a film clip on CNN with these (probably) fifth grade aged kids throwing books and running about as an actor pretended to be an attacker.

[KJV]

Those who live by the sword are destined to die by the sword!

[Purple Avenger]

"How many 3rd graders does it take to tackle a mad man?"

Two. One to stab him in the leg with a pen/pencil, the other to push him over when he's hopping around on one foot screaming in pain.

[Rick]

Here King James, this is for you:
ACTS 2:38
>
> An elderly woman had just returned to her home from an evening of
Church services when she was startled by an intruder. She caught the man
in the act of robbing her home of its valuables and yelled, "Stop! Acts
2:38!" (Repent and be baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ so that
your sins may be forgiven.)
>
> The burglar stopped in his tracks. The woman calmly called the
police and explained what she had done. As the officer cuffed the man to
take him in, he asked the burglar,"Why did you just stand there? All the
old lady did was yell a scripture to you." "Scripture?" replied the
burglar. "She said she had an Ax and Two 38's!"

[Phoenix]

Rick,

I love going backto clarify the clarity of my writing. Your selective reading failed to note that I said I would not address the mindlessness of your question. Your question, 'do you know the difference between 3rd graders and 12th graders' is mindless. I did not call you mindless... just your query.

You and Jaime had fun making no sense. I pictured the two of you sharing Twinkies and HoHo's on the sidelines of the playground while all the other kids ran around and kicked ass playing games. You and she had a gooey little dialogue going about fat asses and idiots and politics. This as third-graders, of course.

So much for dreaming............... The reality is I have been in the situation described here. It has naught to do with politics - no matter how much the two of you would like to make it so. It has everything to do with instantaneous danger from a madman. If you think sitting quietly is the right thing to do, by all means, open your lunch box and have a Twinkie.

Another thought about those who refuse to be victims: The third plane on 9/11. Those who fought off the terrorists saved god knows how many lives. I suppose you and your little friend would have preferred they kept their seats. Nice.

[jaime]

Sure Phoenix. The BEST thing to do is have kids attack a madman with a gun before he even starts shooting. NO harm could come from that.

And 9/11 has nothing to do with your dumbshit idea.

[Rick]

Phoenix, I'm so sorry that Jaime and I were able to find some humor in a horrible situation and make fun of a stupid idea. I did like the idea of sharing twinkies with Jaime though. Maybe the world would be a better place if more people shared sweets and laughed as children played. Sad that the idea offends you. BTW, the folks on the 9/11 plane who fought back were adults.....brave adults.

[Phoenix]

>have kids attack a madman with a gun before he even starts shooting.<

Oh. Better he should start shooting and kill a few kids before they attack?

Nice reasoning. ha ha....

Teacher to students: "Now, children...sit quietly until the bad man with a gun shoots five of you. Then pick up your bookbags and start throwing them at the very bad man. Throw your desks, too. And yell and scream and run around like crazy. We can confuse him and maybe throw him off course. But be sure to sit quietly until the death toll reaches 2 +3 = 5. If I happen to get shot dead, no cheering, by the way."

[jaime]

Phoenix, I would never want to be in a bank hold up with you. You're liable to get me killed.

Do you realize just how batshit crazy you are?