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The assholes who leaked this report need to be strung up and hanged at the Washington monument at noon, along with Pinch Sulzberger the NYSlimes publisher.

Yes, I suppose it is just barely possible, though certainly unimaginable at this point in time, that if we stay the course in Iraq, we might win in Iraq.

That, however, would mean that the other three factors you cite from the NIE would remain unaddressed and the military would remain underfunded, undermanned and under supported by this administration when it comes to overall, total victory.

So, let's look at the probabilities: We take care of one threat but intentionally leave 3 unaddressed. Where do you think the next attack will come from? Iraq? Or one of the other 3 threats that Bush refuses to address because he is so sold on Iraq as his personal legacy?

Come on boys, even your beloved FOXNEWS is reporting that this report is nothing but bad news. Try and spin, discredit, lie, and smear all you want. There's no way around the fact that BushCo has made us LESS safe with his ridiculous war. And there's no way around the fact that the majority of America knows it.

Have fun in November.

two of the four are linked...iraq and our worsening image worldwide...which means the problem that is iraq is only compounded by the collosal mistakes this civilian leadership has made in iraq. allowing them to stay the course...their words... will only continue the trend which means "...threats to US interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide..."
"..the underlying factors fueling the spread of the movement outweigh its vulnerabilities and are likely to do so for the duration of the timeframe of this estimate..."
please name one democrat who has advocated cutting and running. i'm waiting...

We are no more or less safe than we ever were with this very ill advised "war" in Iraq. You idiots never were safe and frankly dont deserve to be. You just head your little round heads buried in the sand and had no idea how the world or your own country......hell your own neighborhoods really are. Iraq has not increased or decreased the hate of the raghead world. No, we had no business going into Iraq, no more than we have invading legitimate enemies and criminals against humanity. But for legit reasons, not this BS "wehatebushatallcosts" reasoning most detractors use. As for me, I would whole lot rather the folks in the northeast fight the ragheads in the streets of their own cities than to have to send our kids to the big sand box.

Thanks for that amazingly racist commentary, Rick.

Racist? How? Oh I get it. The use of the term "raghead", that's it. You assume (ASS-U-ME) that everyone in the big sand box is of a certain race. I know better, but your assumptions make me a racist.........the things that make you go "hummm"

The game's up, boys. It's all unravelling for President Bush.

And what's that faint whiff in the air. Is it sulphur... or is it impeachment? We'll know in just 5 weeks time!

Yes! An impeachment, whatever it takes to ruin this country, I'm all for it!!! Just think, we force Bush to resign and spend the next two years with President Cheney. Great strategy!!! I just hope that the N Koreans get one of their nukes to work properly and aim it at Alcatraz.

Well Rick, Cheney's running everything anyway. At least this way people can actually see who's really in charge.

Note in particular, from your quotes:

a large body of all-source reporting indicates that activists identifying themselves as jihadists, although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing in both number and
geographic dispersion.
• If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.

And note this chiller:

The increased role of Iraqis in managing the operations of al-Qa’ida in Iraq might lead veteran foreign jihadists to focus their efforts on external operations. Other affiliated Sunni extremist organizations, such as Jemaah Islamiya, Ansar al-Sunnah, and several North African groups, unless countered, are likely to expand their
reach and become more capable of multiple and/or mass-casualty attacks outside their traditional areas of operation.

We're helping terrorists train to be more efficient and capable. Great. Glad that's where my tax dollars are going.

What in the section you quoted above, indicates that the Bush admin's plan with Iraq is aiding our War on Terror?

Why, actually nothing. All that is stated is some possible hypotheticals, while all the facts stated indicate Bush's Iraq strategy is bearing poisoned fruit for us.

Guys. Seriously, I get it. You're in a bind. A classified report is revealed. It's the result of 16 US intelligence agencies, and it confirms what liberals have been saying all along - that Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq is making terrorism worse for us.

Further, this report was classified...but Bush can declassify it without danger. So why was it classified in the first place?

Don't feel bad. Look, Bush was pushed with some of the most well-funded and sophisticated PR techniques the world has ever seen. A lot of people were fooled. It's no reflection on you; you just weren't cynical enough. We liberals were. So we saw it before you. That's fine. It could very well be that if a liberal president appealed to us, we could have tried to deny the evidence that he wasn't doing a good job in office.

But aren't you tired of this? Aren't you getting tired of making excuses for the Bush administration; for someone who's supposed to be a grown-up man?

Can't Bush actually be at fault for something?

If all the available facts and experts indicate that he's at fault, isn't it time to face that fact?

Here are the parts of the NIE that suggest President Bush's premption strategy in Iraq was a reckless failed gamble that made things worse:

1. al-Qa’ida will continue to pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist organization.

2. the global jihadist movement — which includes al-Qa’ida, is spreading and adapting to counterterrorism efforts.

3. jihadists are increasing in both number and geographic dispersion.

4. threats to US interests will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.

5. New jihadist networks are increasingly likely to emerge. Shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.

6. threats from self-radicalized cells will grow in the Homeland.

7. Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives;

8. The Iraq conflict has become the .cause celebre. for jihadists

9. factors fueling the spread of the movement outweigh its vulnerabilities

10. 4 factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1) Entrenched corruption, injustice, and fear of Western domination, (2) the Iraq .jihad;. (3) the slow pace of real and sustained reforms (4) pervasive anti-US sentiment.

11. Countering the spread of the jihadist movement will require coordinated multilateral efforts that go well beyond operations to capture or kill terrorist leaders.

12. Al-Qa’ida, now merged with Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi’s network, is exploiting the situation in Iraq

13. al-Zarqawi could broaden his popular appeal and present a global threat.

14. increased role of Iraqis in al-Qa.ida in Iraq might lead veteran foreign jihadists to focus their efforts on external operations.

15. Fighters with experience in Iraq are a potential source of leadership for jihadists

16. Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise

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Here are the parts of the NIE that suggest President Bush did something right:

1. We "have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations" (Great, but they are not the only threat)

2. the loss of key AQ leaders makes it a less serious threat to US interests (Just point 1, restated)
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Here are the parts of the NIE that suggest President Bush's premption strategy in Iraq may some day improve things, if they don't get worse:

1. IF jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.

2. IF democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years, political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and (other) groups.

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So according to the findings of the US Intelligence Agencies, President Bush's policies in Iraq have made things worse in 16 ways, but there are 2 ways things might get better, if they change.

Read it and weep.

Dear Rhiel.

Your "objectivity" and clear "logical" assessment of what the NIE portion report is stating, is really such a mental gymnastic masterpiece that you should try for the Olympic team.

Or the other explanation to your "Objective conclusion" can be that you can't comprehend what you read, for this I suggest remedial curses in reading and comprehension. Another explanation to your rather weird "conclusions" can be that when presented with facts that contradict your view of the world, you turn inward, and go delusional. For this I recomend a good mental therapist.

Bush, you, and the Right Wing nuts out there remaind me of the story about the Pyromaniac Psycho Firaman;

There is a Fireman (Bush) that starts a fire (Iraq), then runs to pull it out, finds out he can't ; but he wants to take credit for fighting it never the less.

Turns out that in you "logic" the fact that we have turned Iraq into a terrorist heaven is good because we now "control" them..... Really? we control them Rhiel? I do suggest you see a therapist, or at least fire your talking points man.

"I suggest remedial curses in reading and comprehension."

Lesson one will of course be that both reading and comprehension are much easier when combined with correct spelling.

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