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Saturday, August 12, 2006

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You've got to be kidding, Dan. What was the casualty count right after the WTC was attacked? And how many times in the next several weeks did officials change what they had said about the number of dead?

... how many times in the next several weeks did officials change what they had said about the number of dead?

Kathy,

As you say, they *did* correct themselves. Be sure to drop by and give us a link when *these* numbers are corrected. We'll be waiting.

When did Adnan Hajj get his named changed to Salam Daher? When he taped up his Green Helmet, with white tape? Gosh, does he change his name again when he changes his tee-shirt? How about his underpants? Then, his sox? Guess these jerks suffer from multiple personality disorders?

And, I thought he went without the rubber gloves so he could pull the maggots off without them sticking to the rubber.

Nothing surprises me anymore about the freaks who invented dirty tricks, and then blamed them on Richard Nixon.

How come nobody's asked what happened to the maggots? I thought dead bodies attracted them. Those Lebanese must be like Disney. They spray before the crowds come, so you can believe in fairy tale land.

LGF

From the international photographer’s forum Lightstalkers.org, photojournalist Bryan Denton, in a message from Beirut Lebanon, describes the most vile sort of photo staging imaginable: Lightstalkers :: Staged Shots from Lebanon? Please comment...

i have been working in lebanon since all this started, and seeing the behavior of many of the lebanese wire service photographers has been a bit unsettling. while hajj has garnered a lot of attention for his doctoring of images digitally, whether guilty or not, i have been witness to the daily practice of directed shots, one case where a group of wire photogs were choreographing the unearthing of bodies, directing emergency workers here and there, asking them to position bodies just so, even remove bodies that have already been put in graves so that they can photograph them in peoples arms. these photographers have come away with powerful shots, that required no manipulation digitally, but instead, manipulation on a human level, and this itself is a bigger ethical problem.

whatever the case is—lack of training, a personal drive as a photographer to show what is happening to your country in as powerful a way as possible, or all out competitiveness, i think that the onus is on the wire services themselves, because they act as the employer/filter of their photogs work. standards should be in place or else the rest of us end up paying the price. and i’m not against the idea of local wire photographers, but after seeing it over and over for the past month, i think it is something that is worth addressing. while i walk away from a situation like that, one wire shooter sets up a situation, and the rest of them follow.......

by Bryan Denton Fri Aug 11 07:36:08 UTC 2006 | Beirut, Lebanon

UPDATE at 8/12/06 4:15:12 pm:

Denton posted again later in the thread after being harshly criticized by the other photographers, and softened his stance but did not back off from his allegation. And notice: in the later post he says this was not an isolated incident.

hi all,

sorry to have not been specific. just to make this clear. i was not in qana and am not referring to the massacre that took place there. i have been covering beirut, and it was at numerous protest, evacuations as well as the israeli strikes in chiyeh, which unfortunately did not get that much coverage in the media—where i saw this behavior occur. i have also heard from friends of mine in lebanon, respected photographers, that this was not an isolated incident.

unfortunately in each of these cases, it was the lebanese wire photographers that started these situations. that said, i am not trying to make generalizations. i know that there are a number of dedicated and brilliant lebanese photographers here who are putting themselves in extremely dangerous situations in order to document what is happening here in their country, and in hindsight, i realize it was irresponsible for me to post the previous statement because it was not specific enough. however, this has been something i’ve noticed happening here, more than any other place i’ve worked previously.

i agree that there is a lot of pressure, particularly on stringers (i myself am a freelancer), due to cost cutting and how the big image banks pay their non-staff photographers, and while unfortunate events like qana and chiyeh require the utmost responsiblity, seeing it happen for things like protests and evacuations is equally as disturbing and doesn’t bode well.

again, i am terribly sorry for rattling the saber so hard....re-reading my words I too should have been a bit more responsible.

by Bryan Denton Fri Aug 11 16:27:35 UTC 2006 | Beirut, Lebanon

In time this despicable and reprehensible practice will get the light of day.

WTC comparison? Ok, what photo or article claimed more bodies being carried out of the WTC than the final # of deaths?

There were initial "estimates" from WTC that were skewed based on not knowing who was (or wasn't) at work. I don't recall a claim of removed bodies being inaccurate though...

If you want to use your WTC analogy, use it where it fits (like the initial "estimate" of 40 deaths, and final count of 1 in a different attack). Both of those could be from not knowing who was still in the building and who had gotten out... but neither are comparable to a reporter claiming 37 children's bodies recovered when the final death toll was 28 (and 15 children).

This report wasn't an estimate, it was a count of bodies removed from the building by rescuers, and it was roughly doubled. Not an estimate, a count; and a rather inaccurate one.

salam daher has been working as a rescuer for the past 20 years and he has witnessed every war while doing his job in lebanon...and now he works at the civil defense of tyre and during the war he responded to every call he was patched to where houses or buildings where destroyed by israeli bombs killing many innocent people...and he might have messed up with number due to unconsciousness at the scene and it's a mistake anyone can make during war but pictures show that many children,women,and men where killed with no need to give exact numbers...and i have shared salam daher in many emergency patches as a volunteer at the civil defense of tyre-lebanon which has no relation at all with hezbollah and it's funded and owned by the lebanese ministry of interior(lebanese government).

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