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As always, nods to your Dan for giving full stats. The MSM has barely got a blip on this. You've got his CV! Thanks.

These perp lookin' bastards always have three names?

What places this man in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 25, 1996?
He's a creep all right, but is he a murderer?

The Fox article has this guy in Alabama at the time of the murder.
AP reported an hour ago: A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case.

An accident? An accident?

Why perps have three names: To make it clear just which John Karr is in custody. In an Anglosphere of 500 million people, there are many John Karrs.

I have three names. I use two in most transactions

Don, he confessed to the murder according to the MSM. I just finished reading this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

and apparently it was an attempted kidnapping for 118,000 $ but things went wrong. "I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
.......
Although I do question the fact that he has been in a Bangkok jail which would probably make me confess to losing that extra 30 pounds.
.............

I do have to say though that all roads seem to lead to him.

"What places this man in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 25, 1996?"

His own confession and it has been reported that he knew elements of the case not discussed in the media.

Okay, I think we're dealing with a sticky sicko here (as if assaulting her wasn't evil enough) he says:

"It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."

that was from 21 minutes ago.

The other article said he was in love with her because she was beautiful and a beauty queen.

Apparently, via FOX, LE was tracking the guy since before Patsy died. Bangkok makes the "wild west" look like Disneyland. Not surprising that a pervert would pick there to hide. Whatever he did to go to jail there must've been pretty sick.

Just a tip - that college he "attended" is a correspondance online-only program. He earned his magna cum laude degree by mail, which makes it somewhat interesting that he was teaching as it can be difficult to receive appropriate state accredidation through an online-only program. It is possible he arranged for a student teaching opportunity independently, but more likely that this background may not be what it was made out to be.

He apparently researched the case extensively, perhaps he knows something that wasn't released.

..either he
1) did do it or
2) he's one of those "overcome with guilt" repeat pedophile types and confessed to save the world and get himself off the streets or
3) he knows he's better off in the US and used extradition to get himself out of the hands of Bangkok LE.

Seems like the divorced wife's alibi should not be cast aside...I mean its not like she wants anything to do with him anymore.

Didn't he also say he picked her up at school on the day of her death? Which I don't think is true....he may be a pedophile, but some of the statements make me wonder if he was really inside that house at all.

There seems to be momentum towards 'much ado about nothing.'

Remember, the cops and DA both said that the perpetrator 'was familiar with the Ramsey house.' That would be quite an achievement for a guy who was never there.

Like Dan says, the guy is a 'whack job.'

Yeah, it is looking like this may be another screw up. It seems like he has said too many things that can't be true, like picking her up at school on Christmas and then bringing her back to the basement??? If it can be proven that he wasn't even in Boulder around the time of her death, then, again...I am glad they got a pedophile off the streets and out of Thailand but that has nothing to do with who killed JonBenet.

The media really is PATHETIC. DNA match? What DNA match? How do you get that wrong? "We are testing to see if the DNA matches" turns into "The DNA matches"??????

Flyover, you might be surprised just how easy it is to get teaching credentials this day and age (thanks to no child left behind).

Siggy, I agree with you and Dan. After watching the guy's "so-called" confession, he admittedly comes across as an obsesso 'whack job.'

This is beginning to smell fishy. I will be going back to big brother Burke as main suspect until more comes out.

Maybe it was the professor.

This is beginning to smell fishy. I will be going back to big brother Burke as main suspect until more comes out.

This is beginning to smell fishy. I will be going back to big brother Burke as main suspect until more comes out.

Now he says he choriformed her? Wouldn't that have been detected by the ME? I guess it's possible that they never released this particular fact, but given they seem to have made everything else public, isnt' the actual autopsy available on line...it seems kind of far fetched that use of chloriform would not have been made public, ESPECIALLY since it would have pretty much ruled out the family from the get go.

It is one thing to think that someone accidentally killed JonBent and the family covered it up, but using chloriform on your 6 year old daughter is too far out there.

This guy did not kill JonBenet Ramsey.

John Karr, reportedly claimed to have drugged the child before raping her...the autopsy notes that a "blood drug screen" was negative.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html

The guy is lying. Someone who had been in the home, familiar with the layout, and also knew that John Ramsey received a $118,000 bonus that year is the killer. If the DNA matches-up with John Karr...then it's a frame-up. I still feel the killer is someone within the family, or close to them.

The DNA did not match the family, right?

I'm waiting for DNA tests.

I predict that in about a week from today this whole case is going to blow up. This Karr guy is just an attention seeker and I do no believe that he is involved with this case in any way, since it is not uncommon for highly publicized unsolved crimes to attract whack jobs and emotionally unstable characters. False confessions are nothing new.

THE *KEY* to answering the guilt question will be a comparison of the DNA found under JonBenet's fingernails and in her underwear with that of John Mark Karr. What about a picture of Karr in the surveillance tape taken at a local hardware store where police said the distinct cord used to strangle JonBenet was purchased? Also, a match of the shoe print and/or handprint found in the basement would be huge. BUT, if the DNA doesn't match, he is most likely NOT the killer.

Some folks -- including the new domain registrar for PowerWurks.com -- are speculating on a link between John Mark Karr and the John Karr who once owned an organization called PowerWurks. The domain for PowerWurks.com has been re-registered in the name of someone who obviously thinks the two men are one in the same. However, there is ZERO evidence offered by anyone (at this point) to link John Mark Karr and PowerWurks.com.

Earlier today, I watched part of the AP news broadcast with John Mark Karr -- including his verbal statements that were quoted by most news sources. Karr is mentally unstable -- which is also clear from the video interview (unless he was drugged). It's also clear to me that this guy is gay. Therefore, he wouldn't have fallen "in love" with JonBenet Ramsey, nor would he have drugged her to have sex with her -- which, btw, doesn't fit crime scene evidence nor autopsy results at all.

I'm going to go ahead and prematurely conclude that John Mark Karr is NOT JonBenet Ramsey's killer. However, he probably is guilty of other crimes -- such has child molestation, being a purveyor of child pornography and possibly the kidnapping of young boys for the purpose of sexual abuse. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty applies. I just don't think he will be proven guilty -- or even tried -- for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

There is LOTS more on my blog (linked above)! THANKS for your efforts. Keep up the good work.

Sickly looking isn't he? Looks like he's been a good wife to Bubba in the Thai jail.

Maybe Fawley will look like that after a few months.

When the DNA under the little girl's nails and on her clothes prove not to be his, he walks - in the good ole' USA. The Thais really don't want him back.

There are still some open cases against him in Calipornia.

Funny that the media is giving Karr every benefit of the doubt...but did not do the same for the Ramseys

Even after the Ramseys have sued just about everyone who slandered them....usually winning settlements because the Ramsey accusers couldnt back it up.

Most important...the Ramseys are innocent. They did not kill JonBenet.

Also, do not discount "no DNA" match on Karr. Remember this is Boulder PD...

This is not the REAL killer. You know thru out my life and what I read, there is never been a coincidence is just an illusion of a coincidence. This guy is being framed to be the killer of JonBennet Ramsey although every evidence points out to be a family member close to the little girl, but lets not forget how successful JonBennet Ramsey Father is. He is so succesfull that he has the best law attorneys defending him, not just any Law Firm, the law firm of successful politicians in Denver and in Washington . That Sounds Very Fishy. Also JonBennet Ramsey mother Patsy Ramsey died just few months ago, WOW what a coincidence. GUYS YOU GOTTA READ THIS --> http://www.freedomdomain.com/articles/jonbenet.htm

So I read this and having worked in the field of child sexual abuse for many years, I have to say....mentally unstable....pretty clear that is true. However....gay? If he is or if he is not.....does not matter when talking about child sexual abuse and obsession. He used the words "in love". That does not mean romantic love as most people think of it. When he says "in love" more than likely he means "obsessed". We already know he has been obsessed with the JonBenet and Polly Klaas case. As far as him being gay so he couldn't have sexually assaulted her. Not true at all. Pedophilia is a kind of paraphilia. Para-philia is the love of somehting out of the "norm"...meaning a heterosexual same or close-aged relationship....you get the point there. Ped (child - like as in pediatrics)-philia is the love of children or pre-pubescent and sometimes barely pubescent children. A pedophile does not care if the child is male or female and his preference is not usually heterosexual or homosexual because he just prefers children. Don't buy into that talk about these predators having a preference either. They may really really like rocky road ice cream but I can promise you if they walk into an ice cream shop and they are out of rocky road.....he will not walk out empty handed.

Now is he the killer? That remains to be seen. I have been reading some of the documents such as the autopsy and search warrants and I think we will have to wait.....more than likely he is a sicko and has submerged himself in a paradise for pedophiles since he was 18 and more likely before that even but, did he kill this girl? We'll see.....

Karr is mentally unstable -- which is also clear from the video interview (unless he was drugged). It's also clear to me that this guy is gay. Therefore, he wouldn't have fallen "in love" with JonBenet Ramsey, nor would he have drugged her to have sex with her --

I think if this guy did it and that is a big IF - the ramseys still are associated in this someway - whether they hired this guy to kidnap Jon Benet and make money from some scam or whatever and it went wrong - they are involved somehow in my opinion - just check out the ransom note - who would write a note that long and detailed? who would know the excat amount of a bonus mr ramsey had just gotten i.e. the demand for 118,000.00 - who even kidnaps for ransom anymore? not here - most kidnappings are sex offenders who kill right away - who would write thatr long note if they were just going to kill her anyway in the house? I read the whole text of the ransom note and it gave interesting clues - one part said "john, be the smart southern boy you are" who knew he was southern and from georgia? It just makes no sense - not a fingerprint not a footprint in the snow anywhere nothing - no hair no nothing but a intuder killed her that focibly and left nothing? no breaking and entering nobody sawe a thing nobody heard jon benet cry for help which is what a child would do if a starnger tried to steal her - he took her all the way into the basement and nobody heard a thing? the ransom note was written on the ramseys own paper - so he sat in their home all that time writing it and nobody knew? it is all too weird - I think this guy is a scapegoat and the ramseys do know him - alot more than they care to admit

No family member did this. This is the work of a sadistic psychopath and a baby killer. He fractured her skull and then slowly garotted her. Sounds more like the work of the BTK killer. Who could hate the family that much.

Posted by: truthbetold | Friday, August 18, 2006 at 12:11 AM

You are an retarded "IDIOT". You probably had something to do with it !

You are an retarded "IDIOT". You probably had something to do with it !

Posted by: don'tlikeidiots | Friday, August 18, 2006 at 02:26 AM
wow - now there is maturity at it's best - oh my whatever shall I do now that I have been insulted by someone who is on this blog so much they have to change names in order to name call - BOO HOO

Where were the Ramsey's? The killer(s) were in their house for what? An hour? And they didn't wake up? Come on. How do you explain that? The open basement window had spiderwebs covering it when detective first came to the house. The suitcase under the basement window was place there by John Ramsey. There were no footprints in the fresh snow outside the basement window. The ransom letter writer knew about the $118,000 bonus. This person or persons were very close to the Ramseys. It may have been a co-worker.

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Long time since I posted...but I have been here..guess you would now call me a lurker.

Time flies.

Its been ten years...and in those ten years I have attempted to discourage promoting cheerleading unless its for a Game...or pagents or anything that might put precocious children in the front line and in view of predators.

Have not been successful..but I have tried..and because of the Jon Benet case.

I have concerns:
first..I think Carr wants a free ride home..maybe to USA for medical care from the results of his lifestyle. He may have a connection to John Ramsey or family but it will be from Georgia...perhaps he even tutored one of the children.

Second: the refusal of the Ramseys to communicate with the investigators was always a concern. You dont' have to like the DA but if you want a successful conclusion to a case you do talk to them. Yes its protocol to suspect family members..But as a family you accept that painful fact and clear yourself and try to help find the guilty party. Don't you? I guess if you see your self as elite' maybe not.

Third: the house...its a maze...I remember the first time I saw a video of it...and those horrible little rumpus room spiral stairs..who would design a house using those for main access to bedrooms?
I thought at the time...the house reflects the convoluted personalities of the Ramseys.

Fourth: the note..that long rambling thing..the remark "don't try to grow a brain" and the amount...and the paper...and where it was found...why not on a kitchen cabinet counter? I mean...its like they wanted this search to be made immediately...goes back to someone who knows she in the basement and wants her found sooner..put it on the stairs and have her found as soon as possible.

Being on the stairs meant immediate attention.. Whereas ..in a normal spot..might not start search for another hour or so..when time to awaken the child. Then several hours after police arrive at the home the father finds the body and lays it on the floor under the Christmas tree...why not on a sofa, or a table or start yelling for doctor? Under the Christmas tree? How theatrical...so staged.

Fifth: the DNA ..were the two boys really tested? I didn't think so.

Sixth: last night I heard replay of Ramsey's interview with Barbara Walters...remark: when asked about refusing to talk to the police in Boulder...that they had other things to do , a funeral to plan. Well I Episcopalian too..and I have had a couple of funerals in our church..Actually there isnt' much to plan..its a sacrament and pretty much what it is..the Church does it all.. A phone call to the mortuary and a sit down with the representative does it all.

Unless you planning one with the Bishop ..I guess that might take some doing ...and had not realized that the Bishop read the service until last night watching the tapes on TV.

So their position was they had this to plan and couldn't be bothered.

Kind of makes your teeth grind doesnt' it?

But generally their bearing, and their hiring a PR firm and I guess just their personalities turned me off...Here are these two wooden people who generated that little girl...and even when Patsy Ramsey cried it was so..controlled.

I cant' help but compare it to how I cry...I hate it when I cry..I simply melt into a reddened eyed whelp, I gasp, I choke, I am SO ugly and miserable and later get such a headache. And when I am heartbroken? I cant' remember what I did or didn't do during the heartbreak..I just went on automatic and got thru. And when a child of mine is injured or threatened? I simply go kinetic..I jerk...I am paniced..its horrible.

Who cares what I have on? Or if my face is made up...? Certainly I dont'.

But then I watch the videos of the Ramseys. And I think..hmmmm...maybe the very rich really do feel things differently...and I am just middle class. But certainly how I look isn't a priority when a child of mine might be hurting.

So I can't comment on who I think is involved in this murder..I cant' afford to defend myself against litigation..But I can say who I think didn't do it...

and I can refrain from including the Ramsey's on that list.

truthbetold - It makes you wonder when people attack you like that, doesn't it? Anyone who presumes to KNOW the truth must be privy to inside info on the little girl's death. Anyway - I agree that detailed analysis of the note reveals the bizarre nature of the coverup, and doesn't point to a pedophile killer at all. If the DNA doesn't match (I'm doubting it will) then we have to go back to the evidence... especially the note:
http://tinyurl.com/lrsgn

I have to say that I cannot believe some of these comments on this blog. The Ramseys went through so much and now seems they will continue to. Pasty Ramsey was so into making this child a happy and sucessful child. I cannot believe people that can sit there and judge others on " how they should or should not act" when they have not been in the situation. We were not with them on the nights they were up all night crying and trying to get a cope on things so they can move foward and find the killer of their daughter. Whether this Karr freak did this or not time will tell. My opinion is he has a few mental problems and might even have a split personality along with many other issues. He has a crazy look in his eyes and with his past it would not surprise me if he had done this crime and maybe others as well that we dont know about yet. What I would like to know is if the santa they found is identical or similiar in appearence. Also would like to know how many letters in his print has been viewed. Another thing is he is not the one (which I believe he is) but if he is not how can we possibly let this freak back out on the streets? We need to stick him into a perm. treatment center for good. Also we need stiffer laws and penalties for child molsters. They need a treatment center for life or a tracking device and certain places they can and cannot live. Our children cannot change these laws we have to for them and their kids! peace

Rushing to judgement could include what Aking has just done to Karr.

Karr obviously has issues. He certainly should look for employment that does not place him near children. And probably he should be on the list of people to track where they living and working. The court order in California stated this..but he ran and as we see he has been the care giver of children since that order.

However...nothing I have read about the charges against him show that he actually had sex with or fondled a child. His behavior was described as "inappropriate". That alone should set off alarms.

But I think a lot of actions of people involved in caring for children should set off alarms. And they don't.

You all know about the teacher who went to prison for sex with a minor, had his child, came out, had another child, and married him.

Did you know that this behavior is epedemic? There are two teachers in Waskom, Texas just 12 miles from here ..who have admitted that they have had sexual relationships with their students at the school..Numerous students. These women are teachers..Their trials are pending.

What will they get? Slapped on the hand.. Maybe a listing on the pedophile watch chart.

People in the school knew or heard rumors of this behavior but did not report it.

20 miles from me one of the bus drivers was convicted of molesting children over a period of years.

Its good that we know to watch this guy Karr...but its doubtful that he is a killer.

Yes...a few samples of his handwriting would be of a priority. And since hand writing changes then would be best to have samples from around 1996.

Yes...DNA tests will perhaps exclude him.

Yes...it is distrubing that when Colorado clears him of murder he will be returned to California where he will serve maybe six months for his earlier charges and then walk..The question is where will he settle next?

If he is indeed guilty of doing anything to harm children the penalty seems as usual so light.

And there is the problem. The pedophiles are out on the street. In Wylie , Texas there are six or so new sex offenders on the sex offender watch list that move to Wylie. Its a fast growing town and has more then its percentage of new residents listed as sex offenders.

And they are teaching at our schools and driving the busses. Karr is not special. He is a member of a large group of people you want to keep away from your children. Where are they safe?

I think its great that he is not being extradited from Bankok..he is being deported. Those guys want him out of there.

First of all I have a opinion as does everyone in this world so I spoke it. I want to clear a few things in this letter since I was mentioned into the last letter above.

Karr obviously has issues. He certainly should look for employment that does not place him near children. ( He is not the type of person who thinks he has a problem and look for employment elsewhere. There need to be laws made to protect children better)

However...nothing I have read about the charges against him show that he actually had sex with or fondled a child. (His previous charges suggest he is very capale of harming children in an sexual way. We dont know or begin to know everything this man has and has not done)

Did you know that this behavior is epedemic? ( Oh yes I sure do! I was molested and abused by someone close to me. I am not naive to the situation our children are in in this world. We have to change laws so that it is very much so punishable in the united states period!!)

What will they get? Slapped on the hand.. Maybe a listing on the pedophile watch chart. ( I agree 100% to this comment)

If he is indeed guilty of doing anything to harm children the penalty seems as usual so light. (Very true!!!)

And they are teaching at our schools and driving the busses. Karr is not special. He is a member of a large group of people you want to keep away from your children. Where are they safe? (It is not where they are safe it is how are they safe and if we in America are gonna do anything to make it safer)\

As I said it is my opinion and just that a opinion only. So I will write somemore opinions below:
1. Of coarse he is gonna gloat in the media coverage. He was very interested into other murders involving children and was intending if writing a book. He is sick! Is not in the right state of mind so this vehavior does not surpirse me one bit.
2. The optopsy report suggest that there was a red heart drawn on the little girl when the found her. Does this suggest someone that just walked in a did this? No, to me it suggests that this person had some sort of sick affection for this child)
3. As far as the letter being long. I know I could never write a book because I am not a writer as maybe you can see on here but can make a few points as well as get a point across to make sense. This man obviously liked writeing etc. There was even a section that this person corrected because of a writing error. Like I pointed out he was a sub. teacher and was going to write a book. Therefore I can see why the ransom note was long and with what seems more then needed info for a ransom note.
Did you see the picture of the sketch made from a psychic? Seems it looks alot like this guy. And now theres another sketch on the news of another little girl that is missing and a sketch was made of this man. Maybe it is jumping to conclusions maybe it isnt but soon we will all know the truth. There is probley alot of things we dont even know yet. He was picked up for good reasons and we will soon know. I read alot of opinions that are not the same as mine and they a great points and keep me wondering if I am wrong or right, but it is not my opinion or anyone elses that matters in this case it the the facts they have and will have or not that matter and we will see soon.

Why would it be anybody in the family if they have DNA and it didnt match up as any of them. This guy John Mark Karr is crazy if its not him I think it could be a group and he started it.

I wonder where John Karr got all the money when hw married so young. Where did he get all the money for international traveling? How is his ex supporting herself and her young childen? Why did the media never mention about his handwriting? Wouldn't it be easy to obtain Karr's handwriting over a period of years?

Karr is a twisted freak show looking for 15 minutes of twisted infamy.

Read on


http://tinyurl.com/rgx35

http://tinyurl.com/lrsgn


excellent points made here - any idiot can see the note makes no sense and points at the family and not a intruder

I write about predators like Karr and others of his ilk in two of my several books. What Karr and other predators need is described in "Let No Man Be My Albatross" and "FATA! The Act of the Avengeance." In both cases the predator gets to meet up with the fathers of the victims.

Nick Borelli
www.nicholasborelli.com

Did John Karr have an affair with Mrs Ramsey (explaining his visits to the house)? Did he meet her somewhere? Did Mrs Ramsey get pregnant and have their child? Was it a big secret until their child took on too many traits other than her Dad. Do we neen another DND match? Did dad get enraged and ..x... her knowing he had another's child not his and hating it ? I this why John Karr was willling to take the blame - was it because he feels responsible for this possible terrible scenario ?

This is the same man Beth twitty s attracted to. Is there any concern here? Makes my skin crawl.

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