Israel Should Tell UN To Stuff It

It's being reported that the US and France have reached agreement on a proposed UN resolution for a cease fire. Last time I checked, neither France, nor the US are directly involved in hostilities.

Pardon me if I don't watch it, I believe I've seen this movie before. The UN couldn't stop arms sales into Iraq and there was even more support for those resolutions. All this is is a simple re-hash of previously passed resolutions. If the UN had enforced those in the first place, this war would never have taken place.

Who the hell are the feculent French to be negotiating anything for anybody? Everyone knows their strong suits are back stabbing and surrender. Israel needs to continue this fight until Hizbollah is all but destroyed and the world should be kicking sand in the faces of Syria and Iran as they helplessly watch from the sidelines, hoping they don't get their asses kicked next.

The resolution asks that Israel and Lebanon agree to a set of principles to achieve a long-term peace. One crucial element is an arms embargo that would block any entity except the Lebanese government from buying weapons.

The resolution would call for the current U.N. force in Lebanon, known by its acronym UNIFIL, to monitor the cessation in fighting. Once Israel and Lebanon have agreed to the series of principles, the Security Council would then authorize a new peacekeeping force for the region.

That force would "support the Lebanese armed forces and government in providing a secure environment and contribute to the implementation of a permanent cease-fire and a long-term solution."

Other principles spelled out in the resolution include the disarmament of Hezbollah; the creation of a buffer zone from the U.N.-demarcated border between Israel and Lebanon north to the Litani River; and the delineation of Lebanon's borders, especially in the disputed Chebaa Farms area

Comments

[xxx]

You guys just don't get it.

You are the same town elders and witch finders that tortured and burned your neighbors, the same monks that did god's will in using torture to root out heretics, the same people who joyfully rounded up japanese/americans and put them in camps and informed on your neighbor's communist leanings to Joe McCarthy.

You start with the result you desire: witches, traitors, terrorists and then you set about "proving" your predetermined result.

[Rick]

The world should tell the UN to stuff it.......after they give all of France to the muslims.

[Gary Maxwell]

I think XXX just proved he is a witch. Lets get him.

[Rick]

Gary, I wasted time debating X3 last week. He's a kid and Al Franken's little brother. Not really worth grown up attention.

[xxx]

I'm just curious, Dan,

If Israel tells the UN to 'stuff' it, how is the violence going to end?

Even the Israeli's say they don't want to re occupy Lebanon, so unless you think they are lying, which I don't, I can't understand how telliing the UN to stuff it, serves any purpose..if nobody goes into Southern Lebanon to keep the peace then you will have either an Israeli occupying army or a resumption of Hezbollah as it was, weakened but still alive.

Unless, as I suspect, you are suggesting that Israel tell the UN to stuff it until she is ready to withdraw, and will then be more than happy for that UN peace keeping force to take over.

The United Nations is good when you need them to provide cover and an international peacekeeping force and they are bad when they pass resolutions that you don't like.

Typical and childish, even the Israelis arent' this immature about their situation.

Do you think they ENJOY what they are doing? That the majority of their troops like bombing farmers and roads, knowing they are cutting off not only weapons but aid? That none of their troops really care about dead Lebanese children?

No dude, its only the NeoCons here at home that don't care about the blood being spilled, those who actually do the fighting understand the toll it takes, whether or not they are following orders or doing what they honestly believe is necessary.

Nobody but the airmchair cheerleading squad here in the United States wants the blood to flow/

[BoldDye]

xxx, the simple point that you're missing here is that the proposed solution is the same as existed before. If it didn't work the last time why should anybody have any faith that it will now? See, you're just wasting a lot of typing, bluster, and posturing..I suppose you think it's nuance, but it's simply ignoring reality in your vendetta against "neo-cons". You're a BDS sufferer.. seek help immediately.

[Rick]

What the heck is a "neo-con" anyway?

[xxx]

Oh I don't think it will work in the long run.

Hezbollah isn't going anywhere for a long, long time, it is part of the fabric of Southern Lebanon now...it has more support than ever before, money will be flowing to it as soon as the fighting stops.

Which is why I have been trying in vain to explain that if you only see Hezbollah through the prism of TERRORIST and don't look at the other things they do and the reasons why they have broad support and funding, then you are doomed to failure.

Israel can't kill all the Hezbollah without killing everyone in the area, and they aren't going to do that, even George Bush might balk at the idea of letting Israel kill tens of thousands of civilians even if they were chanting death to Israel all the while.

A military solution is not what is needed, but a political one that acknowledges the full scope of grievances on BOTH sides.

[BoldDye]

xxx says: "Hezbollah isn't going anywhere for a long, long time, it is part of the fabric of Southern Lebanon now...it has more support than ever before, money will be flowing to it as soon as the fighting stops."

I'm sorry, that's BS that can only come from the mind of someone who is completely ignorant about what Hezbollah is. All roads lead to Tehran. This isn't some group of freedom fighters..they're an arm of the Iranian military.

[xxx]

No, they are local Lebanese citizens.

No amount of propaganda will change that.

The problem with your view of the world is that it works great sitting at a computer, but it simply isn't true.

It's the same reason that George Bush can deny reality in Iraq and he could even get is way and the media could stop reporting on anything negative happening in Iraq, they could even report only about positve things happening in Iraq and it WOULD CHANGE NOTHING.

Arabs don't watch Fox, they watch Al Jazeera.

Iraqis only have to walk out their front door and look around them to know the reality of the situation.

The truth is the truth is the truth, it is especially true in war. Jesus Christ, do you think the generals in Iraq don't know what is going on and what has been going on from the beginning? But they have their hands tied because the civilian piece of shit secretary of defense who never put on a uniform in his life is STILL sooo dedicated to his utopian idea of a small, quick in and out tidy little wars that they still don't have enough troops, and now that public opinion has shifted, they never will.

Disgusting.

[BoldDye]

George Bush, blah blah blah, neocons, blah blah blah Faux news blah, blah, blah chickenhawk blah blah blah Rumsfeld blah blah ChimpyMcHitlerBurton

[xxx]

Lastly,

You buy into every boogeyman the neo cons set up for you.

First is was Iraq, OH MY, they are in violation of the UN resolution [the UN that you/they hate and ridicule], the country is chock full of WMD, enriched uranium, mobile weapons labs and a resurgent nucleur weapons program.

OOPS!!!!!!

That all turned out to be completely and totally fase.

And now, the new boogeyman is Iran, they are the ones whose fault it all is, the key is in Iran now, if we could just get rid of that nukes program that we KNOW is there and get a NEW REGIME, well, democracy would flow and love and kisses to the United States.

The biggest problem with religious and ideological zealots is they are incapable of learning, admitting mistakes or changing their narrative.

That is why they are extremely dangerous and should never be put in positions of real power.

[Rick]

*yawn*

[Gary Maxwell]

yawn

[J'hn1]

A constraint against "buying weapons" isn't going to slow down Hezbollah at all. They are being given the munitions in the first place, so no "sale" is happening. I would hope that Israel is smart enough to recognize that, but from the "we can surrender enough to have peace" party, that is doubtful.
If the US and France actually wanted to curtail the violence, it would be illegal for anyone but the Lebanese Army to posess anything past small arms, and backed up with mandatory sentences. Offer a short amnesty period to turn them in and then go after stockpiles.
Since this is not what is being bandied about, they are not really serious about curtailling Hezbollah's nihlistic behavior.

[ahem]

Israel can't be forced to quit now. They will never have a stronger hand. The amount of anti-semitism coming from people who should know better is frightening, and I fear the situation will only get worse. The left is signalling its abandonment of Israel.

XXX: Let me guess: you're a high-functioning imbecile.

[Gary Maxwell]

Ahem, you got it half right!

[xxx]

God you guys are pathetic, when you can't muster even the usual irrational argument to support your demented and discredited positions, you are reduced to name calling, like a school yard bully.

What's next, are you going to dis my mamma?

Yawn and double yawn.

[ahem]

XXX: If it's so terrible here, why do you bother? Why don't you go back to photoshopping pink panties on to pictures of Joe Lieberman? The day is yet young

[Rick]

No 'x' it isn't about school yard games, though I'm sure that is not very distant in your past. The problem is that 1) you cannot make a point without your "ihategeorgebushand thatsallIneed" attitude getting into the way. It's like that big zit on your nose prom night dude. 2) You have not offered a single solution that has not been tried over the last 58 years. Every bit of it is the same old "if we give, give and give til it hurts it'll finally be over" BS that those of us with any age on us has heard every ten years for decades. What is truly unfortunate it that you have made a decent point or two........but no one can get past that attitude.

[mylenat]

Well Rick, I don't know what the solution would be....but in my opionion you treat this as a game on the computer: JUST KILL EVERYONE, that will get rid of everything, and that will not happen, because somewhere else in another country there will be another group forming disgusting with what happened so you have to chase them. Or do you now want to eliminate ALL the islamic people?

what is the plan?

[old trooper]

Poor X. That simple minded "Schoolboy Morality" is exactly what Hezbollah is counting on. UN Resolution 1559 was by and large ignored by Hezbollah. Any new Resolutions will be ignored as well.

The only thing that Hezbollah understands is pure brute force. The only thing that Hezbollah respects is that unrelenting brute force applied with firm and unyielding resolve. Anything less not going to be effective. There is no negotiating or reasoning with Radical Islam.

Anyone that believes anything else does not know that mentality or that territory. Having spent many years there and having witnessed the civil war in Beirut, the murder and mayhem in Eastern Europe, the genocide in Somalia, the mindless brutality of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the factional killings amongst Islamic sectors in Iraq to name a few years worth of experiences, acts of war and terror are NEGOTIATIONS in their mindset. They teach that in the Madrassa. From age 5 on.

If you don`t believe it, that is your misunderstanding.

Bush bashing is not relevent to the subject. Period. Offers of Mercy or Appeasement are looked upon as WEAKNESSES to be EXPLOITED.

X, your sophomoric mentality plays right into the hands of those Thugs. Grow up son. When you were being taught the 10 Commandments, the Golden Rule, Good Sportsmanship and table manners those thugs were cleaning, assembling and shooting AK 47`s and worshiping Martyrhood.

No offense intended, but these dirty bastards observe No Rules!

[ahem]

mylenat:

Israel doean't want to destroy 'all the Islamic people'--just Hezbollah, the rabid and relentless jerks whose stated goal is to annihilate Israel. It's easy. Really, it is. If a political solution were still possible, it would be pursued. You must not read too much.

[xxx]

Ya know, the only problem is that Hezbollah isn't a Radical Islamic sect, in fact, they gave up their goal of creating a fundamental islamic state in Lebanon.

They were formed to fight Israel's invasion of Lebanon, therefore, since the Israelis invaded Lebanon prior to Hezbollah's creation, they must have been an "effect" of that invasion and not the "cause" of it.

Do you know how many UN resolutions Israel has ignored? And how many UN resolutions condemming Israel have been blocked solely by the United States?

My understanding is that Hezbollah mainly wants its Lebanese prisoners back from Israel and that is why they kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers.

So, let's remember that Hezbollah, although they did kidnap two soliders did NOT FIRE ANY ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL until the Israelis started bombing Lebanon.

It is kind of like beating your child to death for cheating on his exam, it is a completely out of proportion response.

If Israel had said to Lebanon, okay guys, we want those soldiers back in 48 hours or else we're coming to get them, okay, that's one thing, if they said, okay guys, you either get Hezbollah under control and demonstrate some action or we're coming in...that would be one thing.

But it doesn't matter, the worldview here is what it is, Israel is always right, the Arabs are all Radical Islamic Terrorists, completely different than you and me, unable to understand anything but force and death, blahdiblahdiblah.

Israel is a professional victim. Just like a psychiatrist will tell you that often the abused child grows up to be an abuser, Israel learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust. Instead of being a country at the forefront of human rights and due process protections, a country so steeped in the memory of the results of racial hatred and legalized murder that they would serve not only as a refuge and a reminder but a beacon for the world so that it, ya know, never happens again. Tragically, Israel has simply turned the tables, and now uses all the same tactics and strategies on her enemies as were used on the jews in all the previous millienia, they are the special ones, the chosen ones, and so, the end justifies the means.

[old trooper]

Ok X. You have me convinced that You know absolutely nothing about the Region, the Culture or the Issues.

Have you been to the Region? Most likely not. You will never be a part of the Solution. You are indeed part of the problem.

How sad for you.

[xxx]

Demonizing your enemy is good for propaganda and getting the rabble aroused and wanting blood, it isn't good for solutions or strategies.

Arabs, Muslims, Radical Islamic Sects are not a single monolithic entity that has to be beaten down by the only thing it understands: violence.

But if you really think Terrorists: Bad/Israel: Good is going to give anyone, least of all Israel peace, have at it.

[ahem]

xxx: You can't be at the forefront of human rights if you don't exist.

"Arabs, Muslims, Radical Islamic Sects are not a single monolithic entity that has to be beaten down by the only thing it understands: violence."

Who in the world is saying that, you ass? Stop shaping the argument according to your own, limited appreciation of the problem. Photoshop awaits. This time, do something interesting with a picture of Jane Hamsher. Give her a heart or something.

[xxx]

You guys need to go see Munich.

You know, the film about revenge for the Olympic murders by that famous Hollywood anti-semite Steven Spielberg.

He directed some other film you may have heard of Schindler's List and gave away millions to document the stories of holocaust survivors.

Yesterday's hero is tomorrow's anti semite. And so it goes.

[Rick]

"Well Rick, I don't know what the solution would be....but in my opionion you treat this as a game on the computer: JUST KILL EVERYONE"

Truth is, I feel badly for the Lebanese people, but that does not change the fact that had they disarmed the hezzies the battlefield would not be their streets.

[Rick]

"You guys need to go see Munich."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL; Yeah, I saw it. Live, in color and in real time....I'm sure Spielberg has a real grasp of it too. Some of were actually on the planet in 1972 son. Let's hope he makes a film about an old man in a wheelchair being shoved off of a cruise ship next.

[xxx]

You don't get it, I suppose you never will.

Life is not black and white. Turning your enemies into caracactures and inhuman monsters may be okay for propaganda but when you start to really believe it, and you start to treat them all like monsters, the monsters, the little girls and the babies, that way leads toward, um, the fucking holocaust you numbskull.

You reap what you sow.

I give up.

[Rick]

Oh no sport, I do get it, we all get it and you, for once, made a sound point. We cannot demonize all arabs or muslims (which begs the question why you think it's ok to demonize all Israelis and "neocons") as evil. We must convince them that we share a common enemy in Hezbullah, Hama, Al-coocoo, Towelheadband, et al. They need to stand up for themselves and stop the terrorists amongst them so that others don't roll into thier countries to do it for them.

[ahem]

XXX: Spielberg is entitled to his opinion. Of course, the passage of thirty years has a tendency to lend circumspection to an event. If Spielberg has decided to forgive the Palestinians in Munich, he is entitled to.

That said, it has nothing to do with the current situation. Israel can forgive Hezbollah all it wants to, but it can't stop Hez from wanting to destroy it. The stated policy of Hezbollah right now -- at this moment in time in 2006 -- is to destroy Israel. What about that is impossible for you to comprehend? This film started years ago. There has been decade upon decade of diplomacy and negotiating and talking and feinting and skirmishing and cease-fires. The plain, unvarnshed truth is that Hezbollah and Hamas will be satisfied with only one thing: they've already refused everything else. You're coming in at the end of the film.

[ahem]

"Life is not black and white."

Really? No shit. Well, you learn something new every day.

Ass.

The problem with being young is that you don't realize that others have been there before you. Thousands of others.

[ahem]

Millions

[XXXSLAYER]

If no one else will say it. I WILL. Go to H E L L XXX.

[XXXSLAYER]

If no one else will say it. I WILL. Go to H E L L XXX.

[xxx]

I don't think all Israelis are evil and I have never said that or even implied it. I have, in fact, said that there is a very big difference of opinion within Israel, even within the Israeli army on how to handles these situations, and that the Israelis that I have met do not have an inherent hatred of Palestinians but that they want to live in peace and whatever way works, land for peace, war, walls, whatever, they don't know anymore than anyone else how to "fix it"...there is much to praise about the Israeli state and the democracy they have created, BUT, that does not absolve them from wrongs that are committed by their soldiers or illegal and immoral acts that the state perpetrates or even from wrong policy that they believe will lead to peace but won't.

The NeoCons ARE all evil, ideological zealots. Every last one of them.

[ahem]

"The NeoCons ARE all evil, ideological zealots. Every last one of them."

XXX: Every cell in your so-called brain is defective. Every last one of them.

[bogo]

Let's bring you history scholars up to date again:

1. Israel must destroy Hezbollah.

2. In an ongoing conflict, Hezbollah captured several Israeli soldiers with the intent of trading them for Lebanese prisoners held by Israel .

3. In 1985, Hezbollah was created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon which lasted from 1982 to 2000 (with the exception of the Shebaa Farms which Israel continues to occupy).

4. The Israeli's occupied Lebanon because the Palestine Liberation Organization was attacking them from within Palestinean refugee camps along the border

5. Palestinean refugees were living in camps along the border because European Jews siezed their land with the intent of creating a 'Jewish State' for members of their religion.

6. European Jews fled Europe because of Hitler's persecution and killing of the Jews.

CONCLUSION: Seems to me, Germany is to blame for this mess - maybe they should their army and occupy both Israel and Lebanon. Alternatively, Israel could become a secular state and extend rights and liberties to everyone with in their borders reguardless of religion (like Turkey and India). This Jewish-only State thing where the Moslems are confined to the equivalent of Indian-reservations hasn't been working. I imagine if the Mormons decided to carve out a chunk of Sri Lanka we would have roughly a similar situation. Personally, I'm also not a big fan of religious-nationalist states like Israel, Iran, and Nepal as it's little more than religious bigotry where people of the 'wrong religion' are persecuted and denied rights.

My 2-cents

[Gary Maxwell]

This Jewish-only State thing where the Moslems are confined to the equivalent of Indian-reservations hasn't been working.

WHAT? Dude you are smoking something strong and causing you to see visions and stuff. There are lots of Arabs who live in Israel and are citizens. Lots of Islamic Druze serve in the military. There are Arabs in the Knesset.

Shebaa Farms is Syrian territory ( source United Nations Unifil).

Most Palestinians are in refugee camps by choice. They left Israel of their own lolition, and the other Arab states wanted no part of them, including Jordan which controlled all the territory before 1948.

And if you think Turkey is a state of bliss, you obviously have never spoken to a Kurd.

Hezbollah was created in 1985 as you say. By the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Look it up. It was not a popular uprising but a deliberate intrusion during the confusion of the Lebanese civil war by the Persians trying to radicalize a group fo shia.

Keep the change.

[hobo]

Hot blog tonight, group. But I think everyone - not just on this blog, but outside, too, is focusing on the symptoms and not the cause. I believe it was around 1983 that Zawahiri went to Afghanistan to treat soldiers fighting the Russians. In a short time (the date escapes my mind), he met bin Laden and told him "we are fighting the wrong enemy; the real enemy is the United States and the Western world." Subsequently, the two coupled up and began the journey to where we see it today.

Hats off to you, old trooper for all you have done for the cause of freedom.

[splashtc]

It's a clash of cultures. The muslims' Koran teaches them that drinking (beer,wine,martinis) , gambling (mega millions,ponies), pre marital sex( ;o) ), homosexuality (lesbians), etc.. are all sinful and the west-heck everyone else- is evil and immoral. Our culture invades theirs-cause- well-ours is just more fun. Hey muslims- lighten up and learn moderation- you'll still get into heaven. Israel is the easy target and scapegoat for all of us.

[bogo]

RE: "Dude you are smoking something strong and causing you to see visions and stuff. There are lots of Arabs who live in Israel and are citizens."

Dude, I lived in Israel for four years and had an Israeli girlfriend and you have no idea what 'Jewish State' means. Let me clue you in, it's like the the way Iran is a 'democracy' but the only politcal parties you can vote for are the ones approved by the fundamentalist religio-fascist clerics. Likewise, in Israel, you are banned as a political party if you do not support Israel as a JEWISH STATE. Start paying attention to the words because it actually means something. There are Jewish-only towns, Jewish-only roads, all government benefits are contingent on serving in the military but the few Israeli Arab Moslems that they didn't kick out of the country or shove into Gaza are prohibited from serving - thus you don't qualify for any governmental services. The few Arab towns they didn't bulldoze are in poverty while the Jewish town next-door is getting subsidies for everything and building a rec-center. There is special Jewish-only new immigrant funding and subsidy. Want to to get married? It's a RELIGIOUS STATE and there is no civil marriage so if you are Jewish and want to marry a Christian guy you have to go to Cyprus. In fact, if you are an Israeli Jewish woman and marry a non-Jewish guy he can't live in Israel as a full citizen because he's not Jewish. Jebus, you can marry a Japanees girl and become a Japaness citizen and a Hindi from India can marry an American guy and they can move here together. It's figgin incredible. Arab Israelis who marry Palestineans can't live in Israel with their spouses. It's one gaddam religiously biggoted place. I know, I lived there for four years.

[bogo]

RE: "Most Palestinians are in refugee camps by choice."

What a frikkin moron. Hey, they really wanted to leave their homes in Haifa and go live in a goddam tent on the Lebanese border waiting for the occasional Israeli jet to drop a 500-pound bomb on them, be terrorized by radical extreemist warlords, and patiently wait starving for some U.N. relief-convoy to drop off a bag or rice. Frikkin moron.

[splashtc]

I believe Bermuda has similar restrictions to limit the amount of foreigners.
In Italy-almost all of Venice is foreign owned and the locals can't afford to live there.
Hawaii is giving priority of land ownership to natives.
We preserve animal species. Seems there is a desire to preserve cultures.

[bogo]

RE: "Hawaii is giving priority of land ownership to natives."

Good points. One could certainly argue for restricting admittance to the USA of specific branches of Islam such as Salafi and Saudi Wahabists to be reasonable; particularly if one considered religions to be little more than philosophies. On the other hand, your example of giving priority of land ownership to native Hawaiians seems repulsive to me. I’m trying to point out the fact that Americans don’t really have a handle on what these crappy little Middle Eastern countries are like and that includes Israel. Being the best crappy little Middle Eastern county isn't really that great of an accomplishment and the idea that European Jews can return to the 'Holy Land' after 2000 years and kick-out the local residents isn’t very realistic.

[rwilymz]

'x' continued to amaze over the weekend:

"You are the same town elders... [faux-pious moralizing deleted]"

I woulda thought that the Salem witch triers, the Japanese interners and the McCarthysits were either dead-n-dust, or long-retired by now.

But 'x', who has an operable Wayback Machine, can talk about them as if they're still here.

"You start with the result you desire: witches, traitors, terrorists and then you set about "proving" your predetermined result."

Or... that the Pal-Arabs got a raw deal and Israel screwed them out of it, and collect facts to support that conclusion, and discard all others. In this case, almost every single fact is discarded.

"If Israel tells the UN to 'stuff' it, how is the violence going to end?"

Right. Because UN-brokered peace deals have been so-o-o successful. What were the UN observers doing in S Lebanon the last few weeks? Keeping peace? Halting any Hezbollah rockets? cross-border raids?

You admitted last week that Hezbollah attacked Israel first... weren't the UN peace-keepers supposed to stop that?

"Hezbollah isn't going anywhere for a long, long time, it is part of the fabric of Southern Lebanon now...it has more support than ever before, money will be flowing to it as soon as the fighting stops."

From where? From where will that money be flowing?

Are you willing to see the big picture yet?

Support means bupkus without money.

"Which is why I have been trying in vain to explain that if you only see Hezbollah through the prism of TERRORIST and don't look at the other things they do and the reasons why they have broad support and funding, then you are doomed to failure."

You can't explain something that is delusional, which is why you've failed.

Hezbollah has the support of the Lebanese people. Very, very, very true.

So what?

Those Lebanese people are dirt poor and cannot afford to buy a single Katyusha, even if they pool their money. Yet there's thousands of Katyushas ... and they're the cheap rockets, the Wal-Mart store brand.

A popularly-supported insurgency without the money to buy weapons doesn't maintain a 3-week bombardment on Israel. It doesn't do much more than rush an Israeli checkpoint with pointy sticks.

Big picture, 'x' ... you can do it.

"No, they are local Lebanese citizens."

So. What?

"Lastly, ..."

Promises promises.

"the only problem is that Hezbollah isn't a Radical Islamic sect, in fact, they gave up their goal of creating a fundamental islamic state in Lebanon."

Hence their growth in the Lebanese Parliament from 0% to 22 or 28% or whatever it is now, in just 15 years. Ain't gonna be much longer before they're a majority and "The Party of Allah" -- as "hezbollah" means in Arabic -- will be able to usher in the secular state that all "parties of god" desire...

Big picture, 'x'...

"let's remember that Hezbollah, although they did kidnap two soliders did NOT FIRE ANY ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL until the Israelis started bombing Lebanon."

So, an act of war that doesn't include rockets should be ignored ...

"It is kind of like beating your child to death for cheating on his exam, it is a completely out of proportion response."

So, an act of war that Israel responds to with, like, military action is "out of proportion" ...

"If Israel had said to Lebanon..."

So the first 24 years of warning Lebanon didn't count ...

"Israel is a professional victim."

And Hezbollah and Hamas aren't.

"Demonizing your enemy is good for propaganda ..."
"Turning your enemies into caracactures and inhuman monsters may be okay for propaganda ..."

It most certainly is.

Sorta like the following statements I dug up:
1] No dude, its only the NeoCons here at home that don't care about the blood being spilled...
2] Nobody but the airmchair cheerleading squad here in the United States wants the blood to flow
3] You buy into every boogeyman the neo cons set up for you
4] The biggest problem with religious and ideological zealots ...
5] That is why they are extremely dangerous and should never be put in positions of real power
6] Israel is a professional victim...
7] The NeoCons ARE all evil, ideological zealots. Every last one of them

But these are different, aren't they, 'x', since they create the caricatures on the other side of the aisle ... which is acceptable.

[rwilymz]

And Bogo, you'd be well-advised to actually pass a history class before you start giving guest lectures...