Oh, Canada - How Could You?

Sorry, but this is absolutely exquisite. Not because I enjoy seeing another country smeared with the feckless brush of allegations of torture by the slimy lawyers representing a group of would be terrorists - but because it makes it so obvious what the Bush administration has had to endure from the sniveling twits who would have us fight a war on terror with a kid glove on one hand and the other tied behind our collective back.

The horror! They should take these clowns and put them in a cell with Lindy England for a week. Ruff! Ruff!

Tiny solitary cells under constant illumination, a mere 20 minutes of fresh air daily, and beatings at the hands of guards are indicative of the "torture" endured by some of the 17 people accused of plotting terrorist attacks in Canada, lawyers for the group said Monday.

The allegations of "cruel and unusual punishment" came as the court imposed a blanket publication ban on the legal proceedings, preventing the public from learning of any further evidence in a case of stunning allegations that has captured headlines around the world.

A blanket publication ban??? Gasp! Don't tell me BushHitler & Co. have gotten to Canada, too? Whatever will the American Left say now?

(chirp chirp) Are those crickets I hear?

Many of the conditions outlined by lawyers are standard practice, said Community Safety and Correctional Services Ministry spokeswoman Julia Noonan.

"All our institutions are lit 24 hours a day," said Noonan, who added the lights are dimmed in the evenings. "For security reasons, we need to ensure that proper supervision is possible."

How dare they supervise those poor misguided yutes! Who do they think they are, the Soviet Bloc? Why I bet you those Canadian bass turds have Gulags hidden away up there in the Great White North.

Oops, sorry - I didn't mean to say white.

LMAO This is rich, indeed!

Comments

[Rick]

"Clinton characterized Republican Party leaders as right-wing, white Southerners."
The majority of whom are intelligent enough to know where Arkansas and Tennessee are. The Libs have not totally ruined geography in government schools. He's better off chasin' whores really.

[Pundit Guy]

Spell it out for us poor dumb librals -- what exactly are you gloating about?

1) Odd as it may seem, American press freedoms don't extend north of the border. Canada's rules are different, and they have been for a very long time.

2) From the same article, which you oddly didn't quote:

>>Physical abuse, however, is not tolerated
>>by the ministry, she said.
>>
>>"All ministry employees are required to adhere
>>to those policies and they're held criminally
>>responsible for any excess use of force."

That's all that this liberal is looking for. Can't vouch for the rest of the gang.

3) What does Canada's treatment of these guys have to do with our treatment of suspects? Canadians aren't bound by our Constitution, but -- one would expect -- the Bush administration is. Hell, I'm sure Saddam treated terrorism suspects pretty badly, but that neither justifies nor excuses excesses on our part.

[rwilymz]

What "excesses on our part" are you speaking about. Please feel free to be specific. And then, to shorten the ... um ... "debate", explain under what precept of ConLaw such "excesses on our part" fit.

Thanks in advance.

...

I was tortured by the USAF in 1981, when I was being held for 6 weeks in San Antonio. No privacy, had to shit and shower with 59 other males, and they had the lights on 24/7.

...and the USAF had the gall to call it "basic training"!! But now I know the truth.

[Devil's Advocate]

Pray tell, how is this relevant? Rich?

Leave it to the rightnutters to erect strawmen to beat down.

Your post is intellectually worthless.

[Gary]

"Pray tell, how is this relevant? Rich?

Leave it to the rightnutters to erect strawmen to beat down.

Your post is intellectually worthless."

Yeah! The pinko-facists have arrived! Go back to your lefty blogs troll. We don't want any Deaniacs here.

[Devil's Advocate]

You got it wrong, Gary. It is "pinko-commies", not "pinko-fascists". You cannot even get your slurs right.

The fascists are the admirers of Mr. 30%, and the supporters of the 27% GOP Congress. Bigotry, xenophobia, racism, greed, and corruption are fascist attributes. The GOP = the National Socialist Party of America.

And Ann Coulter is the face of the right wing movement.

[Pundit Guy]

>>I was tortured by the USAF in 1981, when I
>>was being held for 6 weeks in San Antonio.
>>No privacy, had to shit and shower with 59
>>other males, and they had the lights on 24/7.
>>
>>...and the USAF had the gall to call it "basic
>>training"!! But now I know the truth.

Neat. Were you beaten? If so, call an attorney.

>>explain under what precept of ConLaw such
>>"excesses on our part" fit.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So it would seem:
1) Holding folks without having a trial is a bad idea;
2) Spying on folks without a warrant is a bad idea;
3) Rendition is a bad idea.

Those are just the major ones that come to mind immediately.

[Mild Bill]

FWIW, publication bans are very common during Canadian judicial proceedings.

[Rick]

"Pray tell, how is this relevant? Rich?" Well devil's ass you're absolutely right. Not sure how it happened but somehow the post ended up in the wrong thread. Therefore it IS absolutley worthless in commenting on anything Canadian. Mea Culpa.

[rwilymz]

"So it would seem:
1) Holding folks without having a trial is a bad idea;
2) Spying on folks without a warrant is a bad idea;
3) Rendition is a bad idea."

1] which folks are we holding without trial
2] well, granted, but frankly so is stopping them on the road and warrantlessly searching them for beer-breath and seatbelts, and making everyone take off their shoes at the airport to warrantlessly search them there as well. yet i don't see too many liberal-tarians wetting their panties about that. or have the trained apes at TSA rifle their suitcases on flights between Tulsa and Phoenix.
3] demonstrate which persons "rendered" is subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution.

[Rick]

"I was tortured by the USAF in 1981, when I was being held for 6 weeks in San Antonio. No privacy, had to shit and shower with 59 other males, and they had the lights on 24/7." Hahahahahaha, Been there did that and some butt head was always throwing a metal trash can between the bunks before dawn and making us run all over the place. Funny in prison it's torture, in college it's hazing.

[Rick]

"So it would seem:
1) Holding folks without having a trial is a bad idea;
2) Spying on folks without a warrant is a bad idea;
3) Rendition is a bad idea.

Those are just the major ones that come to mind immediately."

And Canada's constitution is just like ours then?

[rwilymz]

"And Canada's constitution is just like ours then?"

It's very similar, to be honest. Especially wrt the rights of citizens.

Or, in the assertions of the panty-wetters, in the rights of everyone-on-the-planet. ...which seems to be the issue here. Combatants captured in hostile action are now -- magically, and in defiance of 200-some-odd years of ConLaw not to mention every stick of IntLaw -- to be granted citizen rights of the capturing nation.

Which means that, wrt combatants captured by the US on a field of battle, those combatants are supposed to be charged with "being an enemy combatant" and have such charge proven. But "being an enemy combatant" isn't a crime ... so apparently we have to let them all go, or something.

[Rick]

"Leave it to the rightnutters to erect strawmen to beat down." I am assuming that this "I cannot make a rational comment so I will throw insults" statement was directed at me. But you have it wrong. I'm with you guys!! Yeah! Really. I want to sit on my lazy, entitled ass, when not on the corner, while middle class whitey works his ass off to send me a check at the first of the month. Of course I want it direct deposited because my fat ass old lady is even lazier than me and refuses to walk to the mail box. Now get out there and make me some money or I'll make another bastard kid.

[Rick]

"But "being an enemy combatant" isn't a crime ... so apparently we have to let them all go, or something.

Posted by: rwilymz "

|did not know that about thier constitution. Too bad we cannot assign these released combatants to the nieghborhoods and schools of those who want them freed. They could live in their homes and be waited on until they loved us and did not want to kill us anymore.

[Gary]

No, Devil, I got it right. Liberals are the most fascist group in the country today. Race-baiting, suppression of thought and debate, intellectual dishonesty, oppression of the middle-class. Liberals are the most racist, hateful group in this country. You are living proof of that.

And to everyone else: Don't feed the trolls anymore. Their ideas have been relegated to the ash-heap of history. They're just bitter, angry people who've been relegated to a loony-fringe that America has chosen to reject and ignore.

[Rick]

Gary: Are you talking about the group whose leader is a former KKK grand pooba? Do you really think they're racists?

[Gary]

Rick: Yep, that would be the group. The same one whose former leader just called the Republicans a group of "white, Southern men." Racist rhetoric at its finest.

Hey Devil! Where are the pictures of Zarqawi's intact body you said proved his death was a conspiracy? You conviently disappeared on another blog when called out on this. Of course, given your intelligence level, I should expect such "conspiracy theories" from you. Your ilk never does show much mental acumen.

[rwilymz]

Well, the "chef" hasn't answer who we're inappropriately holding without trial, or why "rendering" those who were "rendered" violates the Constitution, so on the off-chance that he's lurking waiting for an opening to attempt snagging zymurgy, here's some reading material on warrentless searches for him to wile away the hours:

http://dblyelloline.blogspot.com/2005/12/american-sausage.html

http://dblyelloline.blogspot.com/2006/01/sound-of-second-shoe-falling.html

http://dblyelloline.blogspot.com/2006/01/screaming-of-meemies.html

[Devil's Advocate]

Right-nutters like Gary are soiling their underwear because the GOP and the clowns in the Administration are now despised by a majority of Americans.

We just saw two fine examples of the Republican race-baiting (immigration issue), and bigotry (ban on gay marriage) in the past few weeks. Republicans run on wedge issues, stirring up the basest and vilest instincts in people (if someone like Gary can even be called human), i.e., hatred, bigotry, homophobia, and raw fear. 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the Republicans and the Bush Administration. They have been milking it ever since by stirring up fear among the ignorant morons like Gary. As a result, we now live in a fascist dictatorship.

Mention 9/11 and Gary and his ilk pee their pants. Us, New Yorkers, are sick and tired of this crap, and we despise you.

[Devil's Advocate]

"Hey Devil! Where are the pictures of Zarqawi's intact body you said proved his death was a conspiracy?"

Gee, the Kool-Aid fumes are overpowering Gary. When and where did I write this? I want verbatim quote, time, and date.

[jpe]

1] which folks are we holding without trial

Which cave are you holed up in, and how do you get the internets down there?

[Devil's Advocate]

"They're just bitter, angry people who've been relegated to a loony-fringe that America has chosen to reject and ignore."

You could not have found a more apt description of yourself and your ilk.

30% of Americans support Bush. 27% of Americans support the GOP-controlled Congress. Who's the looney fringe? Angry? Did you check out Ann Coulter's rantings?

Bye, lunatic right-nutters. This sane individual has some business to attend to. Unlike you, lazy, ignorant, unemployable, fat, slobs, who are sponging off welfare, contributing to the rising crime rate, and possibly molesting our children...

[rwilymz]

"When and where did I write this?"

As a [to date] impartial observer, "advocate", I notice that you are given to hyperbole, disingenuity and other irrational excesses in you top-of-the-lungs screed. Frankly, bucko, I wouldn't put "Zarqawi conspiracy" beyond you. Which is not to say you asserted such ... but, people who glibly dive into circumstantial hyperbole say many many things they later find embarrassing.

Examples just from this thread:

"...the GOP ... are now despised by a majority of Americans"

Incorrect. "Not approving of the job" =/= "despise". Do not equivocate. If you can't be honest enough to say what you mean, then why should anyone assume you're honest?

"...Republican race-baiting (immigration issue)..."

To claim that the Republican position on immigration is substantively out of line with the American People is to close your eyes, plug your ears and loudly sing "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" until mean ol' reality gives up and goes away.

The answer doesn't change because you're wearing a wet diaper.

"...Republican ... bigotry (ban on gay marriage)"

1] there is no [federal] ban on gay marriage, so you're seemingly whining about a non-issue

2] don't look now, spunky, but depending upon polling methods, between 60 and 75% of the American People do not like "gay marriage". Since "republicans" are not 60-75% of Americans, it would seem that there's a bunch of folks apart from "republicans" who are similar bigots [I think they're bigots as well, but that's just me] ... [and you, apparently], which means you're being dishonest in your formulation of your quibble.

"Republicans run on wedge issues"

So do Democrats. Just not as successfully. Because the democrats are, frankly, a little out of touch with the mainstream.

...and the king hyperbole of them all: "we now live in a fascist dictatorship"

Yet, amazingly, you are still alive and breathing after uttering such words. Which would seem to be prima facie evidence that you're incorrect.

Calm down, take an antacid, and cheeck your blood pressure. You're too tense, bud.

[rwilymz]

"Which cave are you holed up in, and how do you get the internets down there?"

So ... I assume you can answer the question?

So why didn't you?

[Gary]

Actually, Devil, it's YOUR ilk that are intellectually lazy, ignorant and self-serving. Molesting our children? YOUR ilk fights for the rights of pedophiles (under the banner of "free speech"), for girls as young as 12 to be raped and then have it "corrected" without anyone ever knowing about it, and for the rights of sex offenders. The filth your ilk peddles is SO out of touch with normal Americans.

Oh, and where are the pictures you conspiracy nut-job freak? Where are they? Oh right. You're only good at making wild accusations with NOTHING to back it up. Howard Dean should be offering you a job soon. You'll fit right in with the other liberal-fascists the democrats love so much.

So, go wallow in the mud with your kiddie-porn and mess around with the kids in the neighborhood. Don't worry, your friendly ACLU has your back.

[tester]

I call Hitler.

[rwilymz]

C'mon, folks -- "chef" and "jpe" -- it's a very simple question:

Who are we holding without trial?

Answer it.

And when you're done answering it, answer this:

Under what legal authority do they get:
1] right to an attorney
2] habeas corpus
3] right to a trial [speedy or otherwise]

[Gary]

Devil doesn't like to be called that, tester. It strikes too close to home.

[Lone Pony]

Oh no! I was going to visit Canada next month. I'm afraid to now, they might put me in jail and TORTURE me! lol

[Devil's Advocate]

I asked you to substantiate your statement: ""Hey Devil! Where are the pictures of Zarqawi's intact body you said proved his death was a conspiracy?".

Again, my question is: where and when did I write anything like this? I demand that you prove what you assert. Give me the verbatim quote, and the time and day when I supposedly wrote this?

"Oh, and where are the pictures you conspiracy nut-job freak? Where are they? " Again, what is this crap? What pictures? When did I write this? Where? Are you high on meth?

You are so demented that you are making things up as you go along.

You and your ilk are the freaks, the nutjobs, the racists, the bigots, and the xenophobes. You are worse than the Taliban. You feed exclusively on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh; you could not find a foreign country on a map; you are abysmally ignorant; you hate anyone who does not share your limited, filthy, mean-spirited views. I would not let any of my kids near any one of your kind lest they catch some horrible disease.

Thank goodness, you are a minority. Come November, the GOP filth will be thrown out of Congress. Then, we'll deal with your kind. We'll forget about democracy for a while, clean up house, fumigate the heartland, and deport your ilk to Gitmo, where we'll let you rot without due process. Rwilymz will have the opportunity to meet the people the U.S. is holding without trial. It is high time that scum like you gets a taste of its own medicine.

Once you, demented psychopaths, are locked up, the rest of us can resume living in a civilized society.

[rwilymz]

Nope. No megalomania there at all.

Good for you, "advocate". Another layer to the tin-foil hat was just the ticket.

[Gary]

How convenient, Devil. Let me refresh that failing memory of yours:

...

"In the meantime, one has to be brain-dead to believe that dropping 500-pound bombs on a house would leave anybody or anything intact. The impact would have pulverized anyone and anything in that house. Only DNA would identify whatever human remains were there.

As usual, the rightnutters, being dumb, ignorant, and gullible, believed the pictures of a dead Al Zarwaki.

Gee! How the hell are you going to find an intact body after 500-pound bombs were dropped on a house? Are you trolls remotely acquainted with the fundamental laws of physics?"

...

This was posted on 6/08 at 10:23 p.m. Here's the address so you can "refresh" your memory: daoureportgrit.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-zarqawis-death-watch-spin.html. You were then asked about pictures of this supposed "intact" body by another poster who, rightly, stated that we had seen only pictures of his face, not his body. You also implied a conspiracy was afoot and that only idiots would believe that Zarqawi was actually dead because of this supposed "intact" body.

Your ilk is continually being exposed for the pathetic losers you are. Thankfully trash like you will continue to be relegated to the fringe where you belong. No one wants to live in YOUR society where pedophiles and sex offenders have more rights than children. You want to deal with my kind? Bring it on. You won't last 2 minutes. Your ilk has proven that you talk a good game, but you lack substance. That's why you'll always be rejected. But cheer up! It'll give you a good excuse to bitch and moan for the next hundred years. After all, that's what you're good at.

So, I'm asking you publicly, since you ignored that other poster, where are these pictures of yours to substantiate your outrageous claims?

[annie]

Well you should know about base and vile Devil's advocate, because you would go along with it all.

Hey, do you know there are some people would like to marry their pets?

In your sicko world, that would be OK too, I suppose!!

[Rick]

"You and your ilk are the freaks, the nutjobs, the racists, the bigots, and the xenophobes. You are worse than the Taliban. You feed exclusively on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh; you could not find a foreign country on a map; you are abysmally ignorant; you hate anyone who does not share your limited, filthy, mean-spirited views. I would not let any of my kids near any one of your kind lest they catch some horrible disease"

In what universe is the above not a hateful, meanspirited, bigoted lie of a statement? Trading one form of bigotry for another is no solution. Unfortunately there are those truly ignorant among us who do not realize that they really are no better than the people they work so hard to despise.You're a real numbskull devil's ass.

[over_educated]

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where political arguments did not degenerate into angry rants accusing their opponents of being pedophiles or threatening to round up their opponents and put them into camps?

This thread would be funny if it weren't so sad. Geez people, lighten up.

I know, I know: "It's the wingnutters/moonbats fault!!! They started it!!!!!"

/sigh

[Devil's Advocate]

Republicans are child molesters and sexual deviants.

A list of Republican sex scandals

(in alphabethical order)
Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. [1]
Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. [2] Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. [3]
Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [4] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[5]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [6][7] Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [8].
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. [9]
Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. [10]
Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. [11]
Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. [12]
Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. [13]
John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. [14]
Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair. [15]
Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. [16]
Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. [17]
Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then left his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll with a salary of $97,500. [18]
John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran.[19]
Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. [20]
George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later committed suicide. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.[21][22]
John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.[23]
Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.[24]
Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed. [25]
Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.[26]
Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.[27]
Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. [28] On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[29]
Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.[30]
Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. [31][32][33]
Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. [34]
Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. [35]
Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. [36]
Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. [37][38]
John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. [39]
Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.[40]
Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.[41]
Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. [42]
Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.[43]
Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. [44][45]
Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair.[46][47]
Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. [48]
Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.[49]
Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. [50]
Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.[51]
Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.[52]
John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. [53]
Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. [54]
Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies.[55] Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. [56][57]
Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules.[58][59]
Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.[60]
Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. [61]
Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut". [62]
Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.[63]
Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.[64]
Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia. [65]
Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[66], 30-pill a day drug addict. [67]
Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.
Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. [68]
Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. [69]
Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. [70]
Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.” [71][72]
Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor [73].
Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.
Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.
Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.
Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. [74]
John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.
Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. [75][76]
John E. Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."
Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.
Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. [77]
George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."
Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. [78][79]
Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[80]
Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."
Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.
John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. [81]
Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. [82] With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz).[83]
Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. [84]
Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. [85]
Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. [86]
Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. [87][88]
Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. [89][90]
Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.
David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. [91]
Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.
Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.
Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. [92]
Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [93], convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy[94] and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. [95]
Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. boy.[96]
Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). [97]
Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

[Devil's Advocate]

Ah! You finally came through, asswipe Gary!

I did not mention the word "conspiracy", you did.

If you can read my statement and are actually able to quote it correctly , it questions the validity of finding Zarqawi's FACE (not body) intact -- just in case you would have missed the pictures posted on the front pages of every newspaper and the images shown on T.V. -- after 500-pound bombs were dropped on his house. Anyone with half a brain would question how Zarqawi's face would be intact after the house was blown off to smithereens.

What pictures? Those on the front pages of all the newspapers, domestic and international, right-wing, middle of the road, and left-wing, you moron! Those shown on U.S. and international television! Were you on yet another one of your meth trips that you missed those?

Only ignorant imbeciles like you would believe that you can find a body with an intact face after such a heavy bombing!

Only the psychopathic minority that still supports Cheney (the real president) and his thugs would believe that crap.

Anyway, it did nothing, nada, zilch, to boost The Decider's ratings. He lost. You lost. You are a bunch of losers.

Your kind, the psychopathic chickenhawk keyboarders, are the dregs of humanity. God forbids that you would get off your fat, cowardly, asses and enlist to go to Iraq!

And no, us Liberals are no longer polite, civil, or nice. You, trash, have finally tried our patience a bit too long. We have learned from the GOP filth that sometimes you have to roll in the mud with the garbage. We can always take a long shower after we win the battle, confident that we have eradicated evil.

And by the way, ignorant scum from poor red states, we, New Yorkers, return per capita $1.25 for every $1.00 we get back in "services" from the Federal Government. So, you trash from the red states who receive more than you ever return in taxes (like Wyoming, which get $2.75 for every $1.00 it turns over in taxes), keep in mind that we are subsidizing you. You live on welfare thamks to the rich blue states. You, hicks, are leeches.

[Rick]

Devil's Ass: You're very, very ill. Probably all that asbestos floating around from Sept '01. Think mental institution. Do try to stay on the job though you prolitariat puke. I need more than your pathetic $1.25. What the heck do you do for a living? Pass by the huge piles of garbage in NYC streets chasing your next canole? Lazy dem-dimwit get out and get a decent job or me, my old lady and all seven of these bastard kids are moving in the tenement next door to you and Doris. She can watch the ankle biters for a few days while we go apply for some welfare.

[Devil's Advocate]

Ha! Ha! Rick, the welfare white trash from the poor red state, is all exercized! Hit a nerve, did it not, Ricky?

Just go down to the local bar -- and add up to the bar bill you cannot pay -- and whine about how you cannot get a break... Of course, it is not your fault... You are only stupid, uneducated, and unskilled.... Must be the fault of these black and Mexican people... You know? The ones who actually get off their asses and work?

Unlike the ones like Ricky who sponge off welfare, reproduce like rabbits, make kids that they cannot afford to raise properly, and who beat their girlfriends on a regular basis...

We, New Yorkers, have no use for lazy hicks.

We do not see any reason why we should subsidize lazy scumbags from hick states.

[Gary]

Yep, caught you in yet ANOTHER lie Devil. Let's see:

"If you can read my statement and are actually able to quote it correctly , it questions the validity of finding Zarqawi's FACE (not body) intact..."

"Gee! How the hell are you going to find an intact body after 500-pound bombs were dropped on a house?"

Umm, you said INTACT BODY, not intact face. Sheesh. Do you even know how to read dumbass?

Spin away Devil. It's all you can do, and you suck at it.

Game. Set. Match.

[Gary]

By the way, Devil, someone actually took the time to explain to you how someone could actually SURVIVE a bombing like that (turns out Zarqawi did survive it, at least for a little bit), because it's happened before. Of course, liberal-fascists such as yourself like to ignore inconvenient facts like that when it flies in the face of your conspiracy theories.

YAWN, this is too easy.

[Devil's Advocate]

And your point is, asswipe Gary?

The creep is dead. Good riddance.

It does not change anything to the fact that you are part of the psychopathic minority who supports this fascist Administration. By the way, before you go to the welfare office today to get your tax-payer-funded check, look up the definition of fascism and check up your image in the mirror.

I bet you regret not having been old enough to be a guard in a Nazi concentration camp.

[Gary]

Way to dodge things, Devil. Can't come up with any sort of plausible explanation, so you just dodge. Typical liberal.

Why don't you go institute some more speech codes, ban a few more books, demonize a few more groups, molest a few more children, squelch some more free speech. Hitler would be VERY proud of your efforts.

Now, go plant your fat, lazy ass on the couch and chow down a few bags of doritos. And take your pathetic troll ass back over to those "progressive" circle-jerk blogs where all of your kool-aid drinking butt-buddies are. They miss you.

[Devil's Advocate]

The last time I looked, it was the Right Wing ChrisTaliban GOP who banned books, molested children, squelched free speech, spied on citizens, invaded people's lives, ignorantly promoted creationism, and psychopathically endorsed torture.

Face it Gary, your kind is human scum. You can run from the ugly truth, but you can't hide.

You, foul trash, are traitors to the Republic and the ideals on which it was founded. You are a canker on society.

Go back to your mother's basement, swill a few beers (paid for with your welfare check), and watch Faux News.

We'll get back to you in November.

[Gary]

"Hate speech", political correctness, academic dishonesty, pseudo-scientific claims, book-banning, speech codes, a culture of death, regressive taxation, environmental wackiness, NAMBLA, all brought to you by your friendly liberal-fascist moonbats.

Face it, Devil, there is a GOOD REASON society has REJECTED you time and time again. There is a GOOD REASON your ilk loses every election. It's because level-headed people recognize you for what you truly are: bitter, hateful, ignorant bigots. Bring it on in November. We'll stomp you right back to your trailer park. That's where trash like you belong.

So go circle-jerk with your butt-buddies over in kool-aid land, thinking Howard Dean is the answer to all your problems. Considering what a nutjob he is, no wonder you worship him.

[Rick]

devil's ass: YOU touch a nerve on ME?! HAHAHAHAHA. Arguing with a mental midget like you makes me feel like Gulliver in the land of Lilliput. No, I was simply trying to draw you out. A fun little game I like to play with liberals....it's so easy though that it gets boring quickly. How easily you jumped on the "red staters" this and that...and being a New Yorker! Those red staters would be the same people, some of whom are way too poor, who sent millions of dollars and left their own homes to go to NYC to help oout after a couple buildings fell. Your gratitude is overwhelming. Of course when the rest of the country needs some money for thier police, fire and EMS or when most of the gulf coast is destroyed. You New Yorkers are heard from first.....Whining "It isn't fair, we deserve it all" Of course I know not all New Yorkers feel as you do, but since you held yourself up to speak for them all, we'll play your game and let them all hold the blame. True though that you and those like you want to blame all of this tradgedy on the president....afterall, the government is supposed to take care of us, right? Couldn't possibly the dems fault that 100 year old levees haven't been maintained all the way through 40 odd years of dem domination. Unfortunately every single finger you point at the republicans can be pointed right back at the dems. Admit that? Oh hell no, never. Gary is correct, the people are smart enough to realize that libs have offered very little in the way of real solutions all you have are hate speech and accusations.

[Gary]

Don't forget, NYC is what it is today because of the last 2 *GASP* REPUBLICAN mayors. Not to mention the fact that New York State couldn't get out of its doldrums until that wonderful liberal Cuomo left and a REPUBLICAN governor got the state on the right track again.

Of course, that's an "inconvenient truth" to Devil and his ilk.

[Rick]

Gary: It's not an "inconvenient truth" to devil's ass.It is a nightmare. People like him hate having NYC cleaned up, lower crime, safer streets, corrupt police and of course the mob. Remember Guilliani was a nazi for getting some homeless off the streets. I was there back before the big cleanup and the place was a cesspool.I hear it's much nicer (for us) nowadays.