Taylor Behl - Ben Fawley Prosecution

Apparently Fawley has written approximately fifty letters from his jail cell, one is said to detail what happened to Taylor Behl the last night of her life. Fawley's lawyers are trying to have them thrown out. Video here

More details on the letter issue here via TheTimesDispatch.

Comments

[Rick]

Jack is english your second language? Or are you simply an idiot? It's pretty simple, simpleton. I would not drop my 17 year old daughter off to spend the weekend with ANYFREEKING MALE who was not related, under ANYFREEKIN circumstances. Though I certainly realize that out of my sight she would do whatever she wanted to do....like jump in bed with a 38 year old man she barely knows. The point is not CONDONING such reckless, self-depricating behavior in the hope she will take the hint. Yes, bozo, everyone who came in contact with fawley is a victim and it is no one's fault BUT his that Taylor is dead. Yet the judgmental, intolerant, self-rightgeous ostriches among us insist on blaming everyone who ever met the man.

[error404]

Jack, Jude, whoever...

My anger wasn't at all displaced in the above post, it was clearly directed at YOU.

Insofar as justifying why I teach the calliber of children that I do, and how well I teach them - once again, your narrow-minded assumptions only make me smile, how little anyone on the internet really knows of what goes on in the real world.

Finally, thankyou for affirming the very words that you quoted from my post, "...and that your posts were to exclude any aspect of blame, presumption, name-calling, personal bias, stereotyping and so on, just WHAT, of any substance, would you have to 'discuss'...?"

If I were to be as bigotted and presumptious as yourself, I could deduce that you must be one sad, lonely, frustrated, drunken old fool.

...But of course, I'd never make an assumption such as that, without first having the facts with which to back it up.

Now let me know when something factual arises that is worthy of discussion.

[Rick]

error: You're the best!

[Rick]

Have we seen this article?

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/middlepeninsula/dp-99834sy0apr06,0,3900228.story?coll=dp-news-local-mp

[k]

Hi Rick,
You see, if this article is correct, Hildy had already moved twice, by receiving the last of these letters in December. So, somehow, Fawley got the letters to her new apartments. This is quite the interesting article. Maybe, the letters are the reason the last roommate's family was not comfy with Hildy remaining there. Hence, resulting the second move since September, when she left the apartment where Fawley had stayed over, before the searches and his eventual arrest on September 23rd.

[k]

Oh YEah, I guess Hildy could have had a PO Box, like you do:)

[Rick]

k, I'm curious, after reading that article, just how/why she gave them to someone else? Had she opened them? Why not just hand them over to the lawyer herself? Did she think the "third party" would hide them for her or did she want her to take them to take them to LEO or the lawyer?

Dunno about VCU but where I went to college, there were student mailboxes in the union.

[Rick]

In most states an "instructional assistant" works with special needs children. Is this not the case in Virginia?

[jack's smirking revenge]

Rick, thanks for the response. BTW, are you one of these firemen out fighting fires or starting them? I can't quite figure out which. Sounds to me you have issues with Mr. Behl. He was the one who dropped Taylor off, no? You also apparently have little confidence in your own parenting ability, Insofar as you seem to think your daughter would hop in the sack with the first 38-year-old man she meets. It's so heartwarming to see how much faith you have in teenage girls and their decision-making capability. Perhaps you feel inadequate to handle the role as parent yourself. Maybe that's for the best. In fact, I'm sure it is.
I don't think Mr. Behl had anything to do with it. Just a tragic figure. I can't imagine what that man is going though.
Oh well, Perhaps you can use words like "judgmental, intolerant, self-rightgeous" in your reply. People seem to respond to those. I find it fascinating that someone as ignorant as yourself can even see beyond the new world order you so anxiously hope to create.
And for the record, I never said anyone but Fawley was involved in the murder. I suspect another individual assisted in the "clean-up" after the fact, but I suppose this will be determined during the course of the trial.
I do find it curious, however, that all the players in this little drama were involved in porn (ah yes, we WILL disagree about what porn is), S&M, or other deviancies. And surprise of surprises, the girl dies playing an S&M game. At least that's what we've been told. Hmmm. Yes, we have the flesh and blood killer named Fawley, and then there's this social circle of deviancy which, had she never entered, the outcome would have been different. Perhaps it was the LIFE that did the deed, in a secondary sense. And the madness that comes from that LIFE.
Everyone who ever came in contact with Fawley a victim? What's next, reparations? Hey Rick, that's IT! Form a non-profit called "Reparations for Fawley Victims!" Maybe we can give them all disability, because they obviously as victims are no doubt mentally disabled themselves now. Just like yourself.

[jacks smirking revenge]

Error...dingbat, whoever,
Narrow-minded assumptions? If you are in fact an instructional assistant, perhaps it's because the powers that be feel you really shouldn't be too near children. I was right on the money, no "assumptions" there, honey.
I'm simply relieved that you'll be nowhere near my kids as an "instructional assistant," filling their minds with your myopic psycho-babble. BTW, teachers know how to spell. You apparently haven't learned that yet. What a complete joke.
I'd steer clear of making any "deductions" on your own. That's a management job and one you clearly can't hold.
You bore me. really. Yawn. Nighty night.

[Rick]

"the girl dies playing an S&M game." Who told you that? Back it up with proof. Or maybe you were there. All anyone else EVER heard/read was that he "accidently restricted her air during rough sex". The speculation is that they were playing erotic asphyxiation, but you seem to know what happened. Have you been to the prosecuter with your revelation?

Jack I don't know who you started out being on this page. Jude, Jacks revenge or JACK ASS but it is clear that you are definately an idiot. Hopefully you have no children, people like you should not be allowed to breed. Your inability to discuss anything rationally, your facist, judgemental attitude and self righteousness bore me even more than you annoy me. Plus I now suspect that you may have been involved WITH fawley. I sent your "S&M games" message to a cop friend and they are quite interested in talking to you.

Jack ass you have NOTHING to offer here, really nothing to offer humanity. Rant all you want, you sick little pervert but I wont waste time responding to you and your foolishness.

[peace]

And how many celebrities are good role models? That is no place to look for guidance.
Peace: I thought you wrote over on CTV that The Riehl World was a tabloid like Star Weekly and that you wanted nothing to do with it. But now I see you over here. Welcome to the free for all. It really is more like a dodge ball game for adults.

Posted by: nova | Sunday, April 09, 2006 at 09:19 AM

Nova - Yes, I did say that and still believe that. Someone's agenda prevailed and I was banned for being "hostile" and "creating a negative environment" and "dominating the board". None of which could be substantiated and as far as dominating - that was proven otherwise. I'm waiting for MATTHEWsevenone aka - Veracity who is truly dominating the board to get banned if those reasons apply to her. (Yes - NOW I'm feeling a bit hostile) For the time being, Riehl World is calm and I will post until it gets ugly. I'm not interested in ugly.

Jude - Take a deep breath. This response to Error - "So IOW, she has no response to what, if any, REAL WORLD "damages" Mike and crew sustained and from where. And having no rational counterpoint, she simply calls us assholes and takes her toys home." Would you take MY word for it that the crap keeps piling on and there is an ongoing onslaught of "damages". But if I say anything about what these people are dealing with - I'm whining. I should could my blessings that they're not dead (like I don't?) but they forget that they ARE NOT dead and, therefore, continue to deal with the emotional, financial, and life badgering that goes on. I'm not going into the details, but I can tell you that all of those things have not only affected Mike, but have affected Mike's family. Erin lost a whole semester of school and I'm not sure that she's back yet - and I think she was close to finishing school. Katie, at 19 years old, his ranted at and now back into the limelight. Maria - whoever she may be - now has her name dragged into this. Who in their right mind would want to be associated with this case as they are out there for public opinion by people who know a fraction of the story?

k - is it possible that Katie had a forwarding address and that the letters were then forwarded to her? I have no idea where and when or if Katie moved and really, it doesn't matter. I've moved 3 times in the past 14 years and mail still gets sent to me from the original address of 12 years ago.

Jude - as pimp pointed out - I am the instructional assistant, not Error. And, believe it or not, Pimp - that REALLY IS a teacher. I REALLY teach. I have a knack for teaching ESOL, Special Needs, and Gifted children.

Pimp - While my identity has been out there, I don't appreciate personal information to be posted on the board. Sounds like someone else I know. My job has nothing to do with this case other than that I work with youth. So, respectfully for now, I ask that you keep my personal information to yourself. When I start seeing my personal information posted like that, I take it as threatening behavior.

Let's bring it all down a notch, folks. This can be discussed without personal attacks.

[Rick]

peace: I totally agree and refuse to discuss anything else with people who choose to attack others. BTW, since I actually KNOW what instructional assistants do, I applaud your big heart and TEACHING skills.

[Peace]

Rick - thank you. We may not get the same pay and we may not have to sit at home grading papers all night, but we do more than our share of work. I didn't take the job expecting to make a lot of money, but I love my job. I'd like to think I make a difference for a lot of kids there.

Dan - To the world extend my thanks for deleting that post. As it's been noted before, I've been critical of Dan's board for it's free-for-all attacks. But Dan has come through and I would like to publicly say thank you and eat my humble pie. Perhaps I was wrong about this being totally unmoderated. I would like to apologize, publicly, for my comments in the past.

[abigail]

Yeah, fairly nasty about the age difference between some celebs and my dad's not one, but his new wife is 20 years younger. yuck. Of course they are both adults, one of them--the elder one might have some dementia going on, but I'm just a kid so what can I say?:) Anyway, glad to see we all love each other again! NOT!
Rick, can't believe you don't know who JSR is! We all used to be friends and treat each other as such. Oh well.
Peace, glad you realized that this is a good place. As far as Dan goes he can be a brat but he tries when he can catch bad posts but he does not have "hired" monitors. He tries to be good and do good! ') Did not see the post that you were speaking about above, but I'm happy that you are thankful it was deleted.

[abigail]

I missed it--who's pimp?

I know error is from overseas which explains her spelling--actually the way things were spelled before our ancestors moved over here and changed the language/spelling while they were all making this "melting pot". Heck even north and south has their own language! What's a "whelp"? Down here it's a raising of the skin--like you get with a whipping. To me it has something to do with a puppy. A welt is what I call a raising of the skin due to a bite or burn or whipping for that matter. Let's learn a little bit more about each other before we claim plain ignorance as in my last bit or if that's really how things are done in certain parts of the world--especially if it's the "original" way things were done.

[Rick]

No Abby, I don't know who JSR is and I cant believe we were ever friendly. It's irrelevant anyway. A whelp is a puppy and a welt is a raising of the skin. I think error is Canadian, but may be a Brit or perhaps someone educated by Brits. Why not ask?? Where are you from error?

[Captain Joe]

I see that CTV lost their rule book. It went poof. Cino called the moderator on a point of order, and they admitted that they don't know where the rules went.

[abigail]

Well, don't know if you were ever "friendly" not like you and I--before you turned on me :), but I've never seen anyone this blasting toward each other or at least have it last this long that it seems "serious".
I'm quite aware of the difference, but I was just trying to point out that areas of the country even have different spellings for things and meanings for that matter.
I don't think Error is Canadian, but if she was she would probably have been educated by the French. She mentioned to me before, but of course I've got "short timers" and don't recall. Sorry you've gotten so bitter piglet. I still love ya!

[Captain Joe]

I believe that Error once said he was Aussie.

[Captain Joe]

she lol

[Rick]

Oh no silly old bear, I'm not bitter. I only had a problem with one person. I miss many more, but we have new friends too.

[Rick]

I knew an Australian lass many odd years ago

[Rick]

Secure the piece Joe

[Captain Joe]

What piece?

[jack's smirking revenge]

Let's try this one more time. It's difficult, I know. Forward it to the office of homeland security (no pedophiles working there), the CIA, FBI and Dunkin Donuts.
EA is an S&M sex game. It's not the same thing as the choking game or the pass out game or asphyxiation roulette. Hello?!?! Are you still awake? It's cautiously practiced in S&M circles.
You can't figure out where I heard that from? Are you kidding? You can't figure out the common denominator between all the players here? You have no clue about the LIFE? This is unfrigginbelievable.
You all walk around, the undercurrent is there you see it everyday. Leads to? Damaged people inflicting more. Physical and mental. Mental mostly. Fatherless children seeking a father figure. Lost souls looking for guidance soon find it in the back pages of Hustler magazine. Or www.tiava.com. A little leads to more. Let your fancy free no one cares. No one is watching.
I am certain that mike and crew given the chance to go back would do anything, anything---to reverse it. There was nothing sinister going on. It wasn't a conspiracy. The LIFE grabbed them all and they were powerless against it. One went too far over the edge and he ain't coming back now. His body is still here but his mind is long gone. The others refuse to acknowledge how this could have happened---what is responsible for this downward spiral. What was the spark that ignited this fire.
Oh I'm sure they will be more sensitive now to these "disturbances," They'll see it long before it gets out of hand. But if they don't go back to now they are never going to see the flaw that caused this thing to explode.
And one of them is never going home.
Peace, let me ask you this. If none of the people in the LIFE posted anything online and had no access to computers, what would the damages be then? Obviously there's the emotional turmoil over a life lost. But I'm talking about the societal damages you keep referring to. What would their impact be if they had no online access? And I mean from the very, very beginning.
Just a thought that crossed my mind. The computer can be a masochistic tool, nicht wahr?

[jack's smirking revenge]

PEACE:
Re the CTV comment it's a complete and utter joke over there. Why would you want to have your good name manipulated by a bunch of idiots who obviously have no clue how to run a board.
If I said it once, I'll say it a million times. Dan runs a board the way it should be run. People have differences, get personal--in your face personal, but eventually it all works it's way back to center. That's the nature of the beast. Nature will direct it back to the middle in time. CTV doesn't offer that chance. There's the constant threat of self censoring, wondering what you might say that will get you the boot. I know people there and I've seen it firsthand.
What happened to you was rotten. But I don't know why you seem to be angry at Veracity. He or she had some good posts and still have good posts. What did she or he do?

[error404]

Rick and abigail, I live in New Zealand, so 'our' spelling is based on the English dictionary, but that doesn't mean I'm immune to making spelling mistakes, especially when I'm typing something out in a hurry, and hell, the kids I teach are ten and eleven years old, so thankfully my spelling exceeds the Primary School expectations! ;) I specialise in teaching and mentoring children who are from physically and sexually abused backgrounds.

That's enough about me, I'm boring myself. :)

[Rick]

Cap'n Joe; Sorry, thought I remembered you being an artillery man. Just our way of saying we're done............or in this case it meant good night.

[Rick]

error; New Zealand is fairly close to Austraila...too bad there was no bet. I dont know that anyone was saying you misspelled anything but noticed it is different. What's strange is a friend of mine, born and reared in New York, spells like the Brits....Pretentious ass that he is. BTW, I wasn't bored at all.

[Peace]

Jude - As far as the societal damages, without the internet, who knows what they'd be - but that's the "What if" game again. It is, what it is. As far as Veracity - she's had it in for me since the first time I ever posted over on CTV. I've rarely seen someone so closed-minded as she. I believe her to be mentally unstable. She got mad because I corrected the time it would have taken for Taylor to walk from her dorm to the street Ben lived on. Got so mad that she basically picked up her toys and went home. It was completely childish and I lost what little respect I had for her. She personally attacked both my son and myself and continues with her underlying insults. No, I have no respect for her. She had some good ideas but they were so buried in her insults and she goes on and on and on to the point of boredom. I'd love to do a count of how many posts she has and compare them to mine. Talk about dominating the board. But that's an old discussion, Jude. Peace was banned and it's done. I will continue to read it, though, based on the advice of our attorney because some of the comments have been libelous. Enough is enough. Most people have moved on, but there are some who won't move on and one who continues to stalk.

Abby - there was a poster, "Sympathetic Pimp" who is another poster on this board. He knows who he is and I know who he is. Just one more copy for the attorney. While I don't post the information on any boards, both Mike and I have compiled quite a bit of information about him, including where he did this to someone else. So, be forewarned - you know who you are. I have others who also keep their eyes and ears open. He's one who was also banned on CTV - but for appropriate reasons. He did the same kind of crap over there.

[Rick]

It is getting old........and quite boring. I am not sure whether to hang around and keep contact with you all or to come back when the trial starts.

[Rick]

Discussing the trial will be ok. Depending on how much is released. We will get to see whether or not any of our theories are valid. Up until then is the question. I only came back after an update was posted.

[Captain Joe]

Looks like someone was using my name on post number 2 and 5 of this thread (Capt. Joe's Wife) as a spoof, but they misspelled my email addy. I wonder who that could have been.

[Peace]

Jude - No, I doubt CTV will invite me back. They'd have to admit a mistake. You'd have to ask who has enough power to get me banned. Bardsley says she doesn't have to have a reason. Okay - it didn't come out of the blue, Marilyn. So, someone asked for me to be banned and it had to be someone with their ear. I'd like not to speculate much more on that because those thoughts are depressing.

Yes - I'm well aware of the "other site". I'm also a member. It's actually a great board where we're able to discuss aspects of the case and no one is nasty to anyone else. We've been accused by Veracity (and, yes - it's Veracity and she's admitted to that) of being the "Ben Apologists" site. Funny comment coming from one who's never read it. None of us have excused Ben for his heinous actions. There are those that speculate that it still could have been an accident and those that speculate it was murder 1. Then there are those who are waiting for more information. I enjoy it and expect fairness there - I won't be banned from there without having seen it coming.

Jude and Rick - I'm glad you're both here. Just stop bashing each other. It's an emotional issue, to be sure. But you're right, the bashing doesn't help any of it. Just scares away posters with valid thoughts. Let's shake hands and agree to disagree. Insults do nothing but insult - what's the point?

[Rick]

"Let's shake hands and agree to disagree" That's fine with me.

[j]

Peace -- I really find it amusing that you think someone "behind the scenes" got you banned from CTV. We all know who it is you're implying got you banned. What proof do you have that she had anything to do with that? Have you directly asked her? I've read your posts throughout the internet and you bemoan the fact that people are jumping to conclusions about your son and the other twenty-somethings tangentially involved with this case without actual evidence. Where is your evidence? If you have none then you are being hypocritical.

[Peace]

i - I don't think I said anyone specifically, did I? All I said is "Okay - it didn't come out of the blue, Marilyn. So, someone asked for me to be banned and it had to be someone with their ear. I'd like not to speculate much more on that because those thoughts are depressing." I'm not accusing anyone specifically. However, it did come out of the blue and I did not break any of the terms of service, so I suspect someone with the ear of CTV asked for it to happen. I don't know who all of the people are, i, and when I begin to think of specific people, I find it depressing so I don't go there. However, it could be beyond those specific people. No, I've not accused anyone so I fail to see how I'm being hypocritical.

[j]

Peace -- Now you're not being honest. I have seen a post on another board where you more than suggested who you think got you banned. (You know the other board where you and the other reindeer play). Question for you. Why not just pick up the phone and call her and ask? You have the number. Perhaps then you can finally put your idle speculation to rest and stop insinuating that she got you banned. Then perhaps you and the others can stop privately trashing her.

[j]

Oh, yeah. One more thing Peace. Don't try and deny it. Just like you are printing all of Capt. Joe's posts for potential legal action against him (as you have publicly stated), others out there have printed posts from the private forum where you belong.

[Peace]

Okay, whomever you might be (again - I have my ideas) - I'm still looking. I think you're misreading some of it. I'm done looking because it bores me. So who is it you think I should call and why would you assume I have that person's number - or even name? Be careful you're not confusing me with someone else. I must assume you're speaking of one person specifically. I did discuss my banning with that person and was told nothing was known about it and it was the first time that person had heard of it. It wasn't enough stirring trouble on CTV - you're here to try to stir up trouble also? If you're who I think you might be, you've actually been one of my suspects.

[k]

Wow, did you all forget what this board is about? Taylor Behl's Murder Case...is the subject not individual spectators. Please let's stick to the case and updates as they are made public. Yes, the facts, many of them will be made apparent, at the trial and we now have to wait til August 17th. So can people just be respectful of one & all? Some of us kept this board going, when few were even posting. Some of us did it for Taylor's sake. Others, maybe just to keep the lines of communication open for when updates do come along. Why all this personal garbage slinging about posters...it's so annoying to have to read through all of this for something that might actually be about the case.

[Captain Joe]

Peace- It is not I who is printing posts from your private forum. I have no idea what that forum is. As you may know, other persons have spoofed me, assuming my identity, and posted things in my name, probably to get you peed off. I can't afford to get sued, so I'll just have to resign from the Behl thread for the time being until this Behl matter is over with. Any further postings using my name and email addy are not from me. Of course, I will monitor the blog and ask Dan to delete any posts spoofing me.

[Rick]

No sense hanging around for the cat fighting. Sad.

[Peace]

Joe, I never said you were printing posts from any private forum, nor was that what "i" was saying. "i" has said a few things - some of them a bit misinformed - and isn't honest enough to come forward with her identity, but chooses to be a coward and hide behind a letter. At least I had the courage to be honest with who I am - how many of you would post the things you post if everyone knew who you were?

You have only to fear a lawsuit if you're posting personal information about myself or any member of my family. I will not tolerate that.

For the record, it is not "my" private forum - I am a member of one.

[k]

Rick,
You are right! There's no point in being here...only in checking for trial updates...it was nice when it was the original folks, who are all but gone now, seven months into it, well,it's just as you put it, "SAD"

[Peace]

Jude - if there's to be an end to internet crime blogging, it will be due to the veiled threats and the hostility of so many. I do imagine there will be several people writing books about this case. There are so many different aspects about it. I do recall, perhaps incorrectly, Steve Huff saying that he would be writing a book on this with Marilyn Bardsley. It could be a faulty recollection, but I think Steve would do a good job on that - I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for him and his blog. I don't think Rowan said anything about suing over a book deal.

So, perhaps we can take "k"'s advice and get back to Taylor. My apologies, k, as I know I am guilty of discussing issues other than Taylor. And I can't promise that I won't. I've been frustrated with so much bs since the beginning of this case.

[jack's smirking revenge]

It's not about Taylor anymore, is it peace?
It's all about personalities, cloak and dagger games, manipulation, people with ulterior motives.
Sickening.

[error404]

I'm lost.

I agree Rick. There's no point in sticking around.

Much of what is going on here seems to be spillage from unresolved conflicts that have occurred elsewhere.

Unlike Cino and his young friends, I'm crap at maintaining a dignified front when personally attacked. So to avoid contributing any further to the excrement that is soiling this blog, I'm only too happy to 'run away and take my toys with me'.

Hope ya'll manage sort things out.

error404 logic not found

[Peace]

Then perhaps everyone can agree not to "attack" anyone, to respectfully voice their opinions, and discuss Taylor's case as an adult? We can, perhaps, keep this discussion about Taylor's case.