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Contrary to scenes of hundreds of thousands of united Latinos marching across the country in support of immigration reform, a sizable number of the ethnic group opposes the marches and strongly objects to illegal immigration. [Read More]

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"So much for reporting the facts. They are suddenly immigrants, even though the Times affirms their illegal status. Apparently the Times doesn't care about the Law, only what is humane matters."

from webster.com:
immigrant
Pronunciation: 'i-mi-gr&nt
Function: noun
: one that immigrates : as a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

the word doesn't imply a legal citizen, only someone who comes to a country to live (legally or not)
so... I guess there must be a liberal bias in webster's dictionary, because there's surely no chance that YOU'RE WRONG!

Nope Stay-puft, but there's a better than average chance your an idjit! :P

the word doesn't imply a legal citizen

No kidding, which is why illegal is used in front of it when they are illegal, as in the case above. Idiots like you who try to look intelligent always wind up doing the opposite. Fool.

I am so sick to death of these people thinking because they somewhow crawled into our country that they now deserve the rights of citizens like those who fight for our country!

I am currently in the UK in an inter-company transfer and its even worse here with all the Middle eastern people who come over here illegally, get their claws into the benefits system, get free health care etc...and then kick and scream and have protests when they feel they arent treated like citizens.

Take take take.

Its disgusting.

And Im sick of all the peace love and happiness people who support them.

We cant even take care of our own homeless veterans, but we can give handouts all ove the place who shouldnt be here in the first place.

Or rather...

We cant even take care of our own homeless veterans, but we can give handouts all over the place to those who shouldnt be here in the first place.

Thats what I get for typing with a cast!!

Exactly! Where is the support and respect for the citizens who do the right thing and follow the laws. These illegals think they are above the law -as well as Hillary et el. and meanwhile who the H_ll is paying for all the police, medical, education etc that the illegal community requires and
think they are entitled to. US citizens-our quality of life goes down b/c Julio and Maria had 6 kids and no way to support them. It's not our problem. It's Mr. Pres. Foxs' problem and the other countries leaders ( Osamas' father had 56 children? and now one of his b_stard kids is the scourge of the planet.

"Well, there it is ... it hurts. And how much work does this criminal do under the table to avoid taxes which support the military fighting and dying so he can hammer nails? Support he likely doesn't offer, oh, but he hurts. Too bad his ass doesn't hurt, too, from being promptly kicked out of the country. So touched, am I."

This completely skirts around a few important things:
Can you show me a day in your life where you do not directly or indirectly benefit from potentially "illegal" local or global labor practies? Do you really think that "closing the border" is going to solve the "problem"?

Employers also profit from immigrant labor... Which is also "illegal." Do you consider the employers criminals? Also, many immigrants pay some taxes (retail tax, for ex.) and money is withheld from their paychecks if they are using a social security number... And they obviously don't receive the same level of support as citizens. There are so many holes in your line of reasoning that I don't know where to begin.

Instead, I would rather say: why are you so upset about this and yet we hear nothing from you about reports of an amazingly high high school dropout rate?

"And how much work does this criminal do under the table to avoid taxes which support the military fighting and dying so he can hammer nails?"

There are many Americans that do the exact same. Loggers, mechanics, trades people like captenters and plumbers, seamstresses, computer programmers, etc, etc, etc

Thank you Moggy!

As somebody who is living in the UK, and can now hardly recognise the country I was born in, you have got it in one.

Add to that the European Union, (which we have been conned over, and never voted for all the stuff that is happening), and that they have just taken on ten new poor Eastern European Countries whose population are now entitled to go live in any of the other member countries, and we are beginning to get really see what is happening. We are a small island, and the powers that be seem to have forgotten that in their rush to please their European masters!

Wouldn't mind if all things were equal, but it is all one way traffic, like who wants to go live in a poor eastern european country. For them, it is an easy option, they must think they have hit the jackpot, which they have. They have only got to get to stay here for a year, and then they are entitled to full benefits, (housing included), and bring your kids, grandparents, the lot.

Free education and health service, don't worry that we are groaning under the weight of all this, and our services are suffering, just keep em coming!!! We'll just up our taxes so we can pay for you all, we don't mind!!!

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Whether you agreee or disagree, this is an interesting observation:

Not Just Mexicans: Guest-workers open doors to a whole new world.
http://www.nationalreview.com/krikorian/kirkorian200604110754.asp

EXCERPT:
"Guest-worker supporters point to the old Bracero Program as their inspiration. That program ran for about 20 years, until 1964, and was limited to Mexicans — Mexican men, to be precise. Whatever the many faults of the Bracero Program, one thing's for sure — today’s anti-discrimination ethos makes such national-origin restrictions on guest-workers inconceivable."

Delighted to learn that bigotry, ignorance, abd the spirit of
Know-Nothingism is alive and well on this blog. Huzzah, gentleman, huzzah!

Hey Socrates

If you feel so bad about it all, why not hemlock off!!

wow, you guys refuted my point about the definition of the word 'immigrant' in an even more irrational way than I had imagined. nice. I'm wondering, what's your canned, Hannity-esque response to the statement that, "we are all immigrants" ??

Let me guess, it's that so many people are here illegally, right? Well, you know both Democrats and Republicans have been competing for "the Latino vote" in recent years. So, given how close elections have been, what happens when politicians, realizing that they don't have the political capital to authorize a mass-deportation, pass legislation which allows the illegals to become legal?
Than you'd be okay with 11,000,000 Mexicans becoming legal US citizens?

In other words, is it really because they're breaking the law that you don't want them here, or do you just not want them here?

also, are you willing to spend $5 on a head of lettuce picked by AMERICAN hands? Oh I forgot, salads are for liberals! ahahahaha!

RE: "are you willing to spend $5 on a head of lettuce"

Is this the arguement Mexican agriculture uses to justify having crops picked by underpaid Guatemalans?

"Are you willing to spend 55-pesos on a head of lettuce?"
"These are jobs Mexicans don't want!"

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I'm just saying that there would be economic consequences to reducing the labor force by 11,000,000.
here's a somewhat patronizing econ 101 lesson:

more jobs + less workers => rising labor costs => rising costs of goods (price of labor passed to consumers) => $5 heads of lettuce. QED

it's supply-and-demand, baby!

but really, I Blame America First. We convinced Mexico into signing on to NAFTA. That's free trade, free flows of goods and services across the border (but not labor). Agriculture is only one area that's been impacted by our policies. You'd agree that the US is the only Superpower in the world; we have to be able to accept that, as the most powerful nation, our actions are going to have an impact on other countries.

Now our (government subsidized) agricultural goods are being sold in Mexico for less money than Mexican farmers can even produce them at. It's called dumping, and it's forced semi-trailers full of Mexican farmers off their land, because they can't possibly compete. Where are they going to go? NORTH!

it's osmosis, baby!

People will go where the jobs are, they will do what they have to do. Whether the US immigration policy has caught up with the mess US foreign trade policy has created is of little concern to someone in Mexico with hungry kids who lost their farm/job. But I suppose mentioning starving kids is an appeal to your humanity, and we're all sick of hearing about "humane" thing to do, so...

here's a good article about subsidized US corn exports and Mexico's economy:

http://www.oxfam.org/en/files/pp030827_corn_dumping.pdf?searchterm=dumping%20without%20borders

Don't worry, if the article doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy about AMERICA, you can easily disregard it as left-wing propaganda because the organization that published the report has the word "international" in its name, and they focus on things like POVERTY and HEALTHCARE.

Annie -

I have to tell you.... I will be stealing one of your lines. "....hemlock off."


oh god..... ha ha ha... Brilliant. :)


Sorry....can't be bothered to comment on the post...... I'll just go hemlock off now, thank you....

I dont have an issue with any immigrants who can make it in the work force staying. What I want is the border controlled so we can regulate it going forward.

Well Dan, I'd have to say that's the best comment posted yet. The problem is here, and BOTH sides have consequeces to deal with for their actions. American citizens should acknowledge their contribution to the economic disfunction in Mexico due to NAFTA. Hispanics and other illegal immigrants should recognize what would happen if just anyone could walk into the states and stay here. The point is we should just find a way to deal with the problem. That means, some people MUST stay and some MUST go. Thank God I'm not a politician!

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