Natalee Holloway - Irresponsible Blogging

It is my understanding that some blog is linking to pics taken in the Netherlands suggesting an image shows Joran Van der Sloot with a recently arrested individual in the Holloway case.

I saw those images long ago and even have them cached. There is nothing to indicate the one individual is the one recently arrested. It does not appear to me to be so.

Taking pictures of just anyone from someones private home and alleging or suggesting they may have been arrested is, not only irresponsible, it may be subject to a lawsuit. Why some bloggers are such complete fools is beyond me. But apparently they are.

And that the MSM occasionally trots out such morons as credible sources should be even more offensive to bloggers in general.

I have also had contact with an individual familiar with said picture who states it is unrelated to the Holloway case.

I will not link or post the materials.

Comments

[wreck]

So what makes you arbiter of other blogs?

[HenryVIII]

How bout a link to your blog wreck?
Does this recent turn in the NH investigation give you gas?

[Dan]

Wreck,

Please don't be foolish, it makes you appear ignorant. I am not the arbiter of blogs. I am addressing commonly accepted principle which you apparently have no desire to respect either. That is hardly a good argument. Why don't you take your blinders off and accept that there is such a thing as principle in the world. Frankly, I am sick and tired of those who want to sound high and mighty while ignoring principle when it suits their cause or view. Got it? If not, take a breather and get it as I am not in the mood for additional ingorance from you.

We're done here.

[wreck]

not my blog -- Dan has posted his pics without any official verifcation as well. Let US be the judge of what is relevant or not.

[wreck]

Hey, all I am saying is that you come off as the "principled" one without even us knowing what the hell you are referring to. If you think someone is full of it -- give us a link and tell us why you think it's bull. Otherwise, you just come off as "I'm always right and pure -- no one else is."

[HenryVIII]

No wreck you are the one who attempts to come off right and pure. I have found Dan's reporting to be unbiased and honest. He has always made it clear when he crosses the line between fact and theory. And he knows bull when he smells it.

[Stella]

Wreck - when Dan posts something without official verification, he includes a disclaimer indicating this. In the case of the photo that he mentions here, he has been able to verify that it is not related to the Holloway case. Now, go do your own research, start a blog, post a link - and quitcherbitchin. BTW - while you're at it, why don't you develop a life that includes some standards and values before you go to someone else's blog and try to dictate how they should run it?

[exilesanctuary.com]

It bothers me that so many are still unwilling to abandon their unbridled hatred of a teenaged boy, who made some mistakes. The endless stream of propaganda which has come from the American media, and private blogs dedicated to Natalee, will not be satisfied by the arrest and prosecution of anyone other than Joran and the Kalpoes.

To see someone else punished will point out how easily they could be fooled, and instead of being happy that the RIGHT person may finally pay for this horror, it is less important than tying him to Joran and the Kalpoes, and getting revenge on them...EVEN IF THEY MAY BE INNOCENT!!!

To engage in promoting fraudulent or specious material, on blogs, and then on TV (probably by tomorrow) is sickening! I can just predict Rita's show tomorrow night dedicated to that picture.

Whose male DNA is on Natalee's toothbrush? It wasn't Joran's. Whose DNA is on the security shirt found? Who was the handsome blonde-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy that Natalee was reported to be infatuated with? Who used the room key at 3:30 a.m.?

I wish some people would get their priorities straight and not worry about Joran being punished, but, the truth coming out at last. He's been punished this past year. I wouldn't want anyone I know to be falsely accused, and called everything to a child pornographer, serial rapist and killer, night after night, on show after show.

I hope if they are cleared, the van der Sloots write a book called, "Mountain Brook." I pray if they were involved that they will be held accountable for that. I wish people would take a step back and at least give the truth a chance to come out before condemning, or connecting dots that may not connect. Natalee deserves justice, and noone who is innocent should be condemned.

[wreck]

So just what is the rant about? If he doesn't want to link it -- why just give us some bitching about something in cyber space? What is the point in even bringing it up? What the hell?

[Skye]

Everyone hopes for the truth, exiles. It is very difficult to believe Joran is innocent when he has lied so much. Especially the beach story.

[tuyvnsurvivor]

Looks like very interesting things are developing right now. My thoughts of this come mostly from having just read and seen the current 'thing' at the ScaredMonkey blog.

[RstJ]

This is just the beginning. Wait until you see the insane lengths some people will go to in order to "prove" Joran knew this guy. Which is ironic, if you think about it, because the more they try to link the two of them, the more they're saying they think this GVC kid is guilty. Beth made that exact mistake tonight. Claimed she knew nothing about the guy, then vehemently threatened that "if there's a connection between them...." Nice job, Beth. In one sentence you made it clear you know this guy and you know he's probably guilty of something.

As for Dan not posting the pictures--if he doesn't think the pictures are of GVC then why the hell should he post them?

RstJ

[just_lurking]

I'm SO glad to see someone finally take a stand on this kind of thing.

[iloveaustinames]

watching larry king live and john q. pretty much just said that g.v.c. is being held because he knows something. he basically said that just because joran and j2k do not know g.v.c. does not mean that g.v.c. does not know what joran and j2k did...humm, interesting. they also said that the fbi and ale have questioned him over the summmer. they also mentioned that they are re-searching parts of the ocean near the shore where they have new clues???

[Betty]

Exilnsanctuary,
The post you did on this sight, is something that I have been saying since all this mess started..you make alot of sense, and don't appear to be a hostil mean person like some of the people that have posted on this sight since last year when all this began. I will be so happy when all this is over, and Natalie is found, Thanks for the wonderful and sane post!

[Skye]

Beth made that exact mistake tonight. Claimed she knew nothing about the guy, then vehemently threatened that "if there's a connection between them...." Nice job, Beth. In one sentence you made it clear you know this guy and you know he's probably guilty of something.
Posted by: RstJ | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:16 AM

It is amazing how the bashers against the victim's family hear what they want to hear so they can bash Beth around some more.

That is not what she said. She said she doesn't know anything about GVC but IF he and the suspects know each other the investigators should connect the dots to find out what happen.
That is all she said. IF they know each other is the key point.
She never said that she knew anything about GVC.

[exilesanctuary.com]

Everyone hopes for the truth, exiles. It is very difficult to believe Joran is innocent when he has lied so much. Especially the beach story.

Posted by: Skye | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:06 AM
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Skye, in the beginning, I believed he was guilty because of the lying. As time went on, it seemed less outragious to think how a kid would lie when confronted. He was met by an intimidating mob at 3 a.m. in the morning, and he lied because he did a lousy thing. It was wrong to leave a young vulnerable girl on a beach at night.

It is incriminating to be the last seen with Natalee, but, that doesn't mean he is guilty of rape and murder. I can grasp how he may have left her on the beach, a horrible thing to do, but, not out of the ballpark for a H.S. kid. They do dopey and selfish things. It is not untenable to believe someone else, especially someone known to practically live on the beach, could have intercepted her, as well.

Right now, a new story is emerging. This story begins where Joran's ends, and it is now time to consider other possibilties. If Joran knew this GVC, or was involved, it will come out, but, it's very likely that this new suspect is the lone gunman, so to speak.

I don't begrudge anyone from suspecting Joran, but, for heaven's sake, he just may be innocent! I'm not a fanatical "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" kind of person. I don't give the benefit of doubt to obvious killers, like the creep who killed the little 10 year old in OK.

The kids from MB were caught in a few untruths, and while it's tacky to pick on bereaved people, I feel that Natalee's family have frequently slanted the truth, or exaggerated some things, to enhance their beliefs in Joran's culpability.

Many otherwise good people lie to fortify their causes, or to make themselves look better. Many people in this case, from the victim's side of the fence have not been truthful, either, yet, that doesn't make them bad people.

It's a tremendous character flaw, but, people lie for a variety of reasons, especially when they are under stress. If Joran lied to cover up a heinous crime, there's no way I would want him to go free, but, if Joran lied to hide his shame, and another person harmed Natalee, which is very possible, I wish those invested in hating Joran would try to be reasonable and accept his innocence. If he didn't harm Natalee, can you begin to imagine what a horrible nightmare this has been for him? Sure, he should have never lied, but, people lie. Usually those who lie don't face the ordeal that he's endured.. The Aruban people have also suffered, and they didn't do anything wrong.

It's time for the madness to end. I only hope this sad case really does have an end in sight, for all those involved.

[exilesanctuary.com]

Exilnsanctuary,
The post you did on this sight, is something that I have been saying since all this mess started..you make alot of sense, and don't appear to be a hostil mean person like some of the people that have posted on this sight since last year when all this began. I will be so happy when all this is over, and Natalie is found, Thanks for the wonderful and sane post!

Posted by: Betty | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:32 AM

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thanks Betty~ I appreciate the kind words. :)

[Betty]

Exilesanctuary,
Not only kind words, but words of truth..and you are more than welcome. At least you don't have your head..you know where.

[Skye]

Exilesanctuary,

People are doing the same thing to GVC as you stated was done to Joran. Speculation is rampant about him already. It is not known yet why he has been arrested or what evidence there may or may not be to connect him.
You are saying that GVC begins where Joran's story ends and there is no way to know that as a fact yet. So you are doing to him what you have stated people did to Joran.

[SinCerely]

Speculation is rampant about him already. It is not known yet why he has been arrested or what evidence there may or may not be to connect him.
Posted by: Skye | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 01:09 AM

I agree with you Skye. We do not know why this person was arrested or detained as we say in the states. While I hope for the Holloways sake he has pertinent information it is foolish to jump to conclusions.

Thanks Dan for not linking to the article or the photo without being able to make a connection. Had you posted it without verification that would make you one of them. Anything for a link or a story. Thanks for making it "same" and fair. ;)

[RstJ]

"I agree with you Skye. We do not know why this person was arrested or detained as we say in the states."

He was arrested for the same reason everyone else was--because ALE believes he's either responsible for Natalee's death or knows who is. Surely that's not too difficult to grasp?

RstJ

[truthbetold]

Everyone hopes for the truth, exiles. It is very difficult to believe Joran is innocent when he has lied so much. Especially the beach story.

Posted by: Skye | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:06 AM

but yet it is not difficult to believe beth and co are inncoent when THEY have lied so much? if it is good for one ot os good for the other

[Sidney]

Joran having nightmares every night? Aren't you being a bit dramatic? He doesn't come across as one who even has a conscience. He and those Kalpoo brothers were very harsh about their thoughts on Natalie. That is what liars and guilty people do - they blame their victims to make themselves look good. If they were innocent, I would think the Sloots would have been willing to open their home up to be searched and the Deepak Kalpoo boy would have been willing to talk with the victim's mother....and....uh.....maybe they should not have LIED over and over and over - ya think??? True, they may be innocent but they are responsible for making themselves look guilty. Karma is tough ain't it?...As for the GVC guy, who can believe any of those three when they claim to not know him? They'll just keep changing their stories as the days go by. Aruba should arrest Sir Dumpling - he probably knows more than GVC....in fact, I think the whole island should be arrested....but then Joran might have another nightmare.....aaaahhhhh

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

If Dan doesn't want to link it... get over it.
I also am sick of the rumours and innunendo.
I don't care to jump on every bandwagon every poster has.
There has been way too much mis information posted as the truth.
I did watch LKL and did listen to Joe T. so it's not as if I won't listen to the other side of this. He said something so quickly and then it was never followed up on...
Joran does not know GVC. Coming from the kid, he says he met Joran at a bar, Joran does not remember
having a conversation with the kid.

The ALE in Aruba calls someone in for questioning
and then detains them. They never said he was a suspect. They will neither comfirm or deny MSM
theories. In that time period, look what has been posted and what the MSM has come out with.

With no confirmation.

[SinCerely]

Grasp this RstJ. In America you are considered innocent until proven guilty. There are more than a few cases where persons are detained and let go with no connection ever proven. Before you gather the posse......perhaps you should find out the facts. Heh.

[gail's mother]

oh for shame,someone has violated the unwritten laws of blogging.
and they are gratutiously offered some legal advice.
my, my, mr. self importance is at work tonight.

[jkatl]

I wish those invested in hating Joran would try to be reasonable and accept his innocence. If he didn't harm Natalee, can you begin to imagine what a horrible nightmare this has been for him? Sure,....

Even if Joran is innocent, he still left a drunk vulnerable girl alone on the beach at 3 in the morning. If he would have made sure she got back to her hotel she would be alive today. He may not be directly guilty of Natalee's demise but he is definitely a selfish punk.

[Ade]

He did offer to take her back...the whole three minute walk

[dt]

It's no secret Dan's been in bed with the Van der Sloots, Joe T and whoever else since the beginning of this case 11 months ago. Some people may have short memories but I dont and I remember the drivel he posted. Of course because there are pics on another blog, they aren't the truth, are they? Whatever. Joe T was just saying every teenager on that island knows each other and now this witness/suspect somehow doesn't know Joran? Okey dokey.

Joran and the Kalpoes are sweating big time right now and so should you Dan.

[dt]

Dave and Beth both have never heard of this guy yet Bitch Renfro claims he was seen with Natalee in the days prior to her disappearance, yet her parents never have heard this kid name. Bitch Renfro should be sued for her lies. Wouldn't have Natalee's friends have known this guys name and where he worked and would have told her parents about this kid? Hell yes!

[Skye]

I wish those invested in hating Joran would try to be reasonable and accept his innocence.

Posted by: jkatl | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 05:08 AM

Aruban authorities have not released Joran as the main suspect yet.

Joe T is promoting a public media lynching of GVC in his quest to exonerate Joran as an innocent school boy that fell victim to the grieving family of a missing and presumed dead girl after he lied and lied and lied .......

And it is working with Joran fans. All of you are convicting GVC based on little of nothing that is known at this time.
I am just astonished that some of you hate Beth so THAT makes Joran innocent and now you are convicting GVC because you LIKE Joran. That is absolutely insane.

[sunshine]

I wish those invested in hating Joran would try to be reasonable and accept his innocence. If he didn't harm Natalee, can you begin to imagine what a horrible nightmare this has been for him? Sure,....

Even if Joran is innocent, he still left a drunk vulnerable girl alone on the beach at 3 in the morning. If he would have made sure she got back to her hotel she would be alive today. He may not be directly guilty of Natalee's demise but he is definitely a selfish punk.

Posted by: jkatl | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 05:08 AM

Nowadays women want their own way. She said NO so he went. Women equal Men is the world we are living in now!!!

[Steve]

Dan,
I think you are doing a great job and are providing us with completely unbiased opinions. It seems that some people are bent on blaming someone, anyone, for the disappearance of Natalee Hollaway. Just the fact that the continuing investigation has turned up new names and a new suspect proves that the justice system is at work no matter what country it is working in.
Keep up the good work and don't let the hate mongers get you down and get you frustrated, I don't think they really do!!

[Mary Williamson]

What about daddy "no body no crime"?

[DennisAOK]

Whose male DNA is on Natalee's toothbrush? It wasn't Joran's. Whose DNA is on the security shirt found? Who was the handsome blonde-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy that Natalee was reported to be infatuated with? Who used the room key at 3:30 a.m.?

I wouldn't want anyone I know to be falsely accused, and called everything to a child pornographer, serial rapist and killer, night after night, on show after show.

exilesanctuary.com | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 12:03 AM

These questions have been answered. You are making insinuations, something you accuse others of doing. And who specifically has been calling Joran “a child pornographer, serial rapist and killer, night after night, on show after show”?

[ChinbeardXIV]

What about daddy "no body no crime"?

Posted by: Mary Williamson | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 08:56 AM

Any father might tell that to his innocent son.

[xxx]

I am absolutely prepared to find out that everyone has been wrong about Joran and K2, if that is the case, so be it.

But I don't think that is going to happen for the simple reason that their lies were simply too many, too grandiouse and went on for too long, in fact, are still going on to this very day with Joran saying Satish picked him up and Satish and Deepak saying he did not.

I am very, very wary of the 'sources' of information for Natalee having been infatuated and hanging out with this guy for the reason that it doesn't seem to fit with what we know of her movements. She was only there for 4 days, at least one of those days she was partying w/her friends when she was taken back by another MB student after drinking too much...this guy, as far as we know, was nowhere in sight on May 30th, so that leaves 2 days.

Since I believe it could easily be verified by telephone records whether Beth Twitty did receive a call from Natalee, either from the Holiday Inn, her cell phone or another student's cell phone, I do not believe it is plausible that Natalee called Beth and Beth lied about it. SHe would have no reason to lie. None.

It is possible that Julia Renfro overheard something and she misunderstood it or took it out of context, or that she made it up entirely...this seems much more likely to me than that Beth would lie about getting a call from Natalee for no apparent reason. Even if she had gotten a call, no one could ever prove what was said...so why lie about the call? It makes no sense.

The most interesting thing that Joe Tacopina said was that he had heard this guy might have been friends with Satish...the mysterious third amigo who makes no statements to anyone and who was fingered by Joran as picking him up....

And lastly, I cannot understand how it is such a horrible thing to suspect a person of a crime that the police suspect them of as well...this has been my problem with the 'innocent until proven guilty' crowd all along. The bloggers and reporters didnt' seize on Joran and K2 out of the blue and demonize them, the police and prosecutor have had them under official suspicion for rape, murder and kidnapping from the beginning. How then can it be wrong for anyone else to suspect them of rape, murder and kidnapping as well?

There is certainly more evidence that points to their guilt than that points to the rest of the ridiculous theories about Natalee running away, Beth running a scam, everyone from MB knowing she OD'd and knowing where she is burried. Those are the accusations that are in truth slanderous because they are based on no evidence, but on rumor and heresay, no official source either on or off the record has EVER indciated ANYONE from Mountain Brook was a suspect or had withheld purposely information critical to the investigation.

[Sweetie]

Any father might tell that to his innocent son
Wrong, no he wouldn't.

[exilesanctuary.com]

I don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions that GVC is the perpetrator, anymore than Joran, Satish and Deepak. The point is that Joran may be telling the truth.

It was more than Julia who advanced the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy infatuation, too. According to some accounts, Julia was told this by Beth, herself. Either Natalee told Beth, or Natalee's friends told her, and they have also confirmed this fact.

While it isn't fair to now crucify Geoff, the same as Joran, some missing pieces have to be observed to fit nicely into the puzzle. First of all, has anyone considered that when Joran took Natalee to the beach, and she wanted to stay, even without him, that she may have hoped to run into Geoff, who may have had patrol, or she knew would probably show up? If this was the person she had a crush on, it would be natural for her to want to say goodbye and see him.

Next, if GVC's family maintained the security cameras for the beach and the HI, it may explain why no video exists. If Natalee's roommates stated that they were all at the pool, maybe she and Geoff went back to the room, at some point. Her roommates have been reported to have said that they were at the pool until 5 a.m., so, there's a chance they never saw Natalee enter the room with Geoff. That would account for the strange male DNA, if it turns out to be Geoff's. I have read that both Joran and Deepak were on the computers after 3. It is a pretty ludicrous concept that they would be able to coverup a murder and rape and get home by that time to play on the computer.

Joran may have been less than a gentleman, but, Natalee insisted on staying on the beach, and I am willing to believe this. None of those boys ever broke, even under intense interrogation. They accused eachother, and the way they did it is even more convincing that no matter what, they assumed the other did it, not covering up for eachother. It exonnerates them, in the face of a viable new suspect. Review the few transcripts of things they said, and their wording was based on assumptions. When Joran thinks Deepak could have done it, he is guessing because he knows he didn't do it. The same with Deepak. I feel that is consciousness of their own INNOCENCE!

The truth is, that we don't know the truth. It's not fair to condemn Geoff, until facts are known, but, the revelation of Geoff, his dad's security company, the shirt and sunglasses found nearby, the lack of camera's capturing anything, the key being used at 3:30, the strange male DNA, etc., and Natalee's attraction to some blonde-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy, all point away from Joran, and may be incriminating to GVC. However, one thing that GVC's arrest should show us, that no one knows that Joran, or the Kalpoes were involved.

In a court that is POWERFUL reasonable doubt, whether or not, Geoff will be proven to be innocent. We just don't know. I can't figure out why people are so utterly invested in hating Joran that they may not care that the person who destroyed young lives to go free. If GVC is not involved, he shouldn't be hated the way Joran is. We should all be willing to face the truth, even if we've been wrong about our theories. Police are often wrong, and yet, they pursue all leads until the right person is nabbed. We should also be anxious for that end.

[nelson]

in fact, I think the whole island should be arrested....but then Joran might have another nightmare.....aaaahhhhh

Posted by: Sidney | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 02:06 AM
How more stupid may you sound!! ignorance must be your strongest point

[Mylena]

for jkat you mentioned that even if Joran isnt quilty, he still is because he left her.... it was still her choice to be left there, what was he supposed to do ? drag her. I do agree it wasnt smart from BOTH of them, don't leave her and she shouldn't have be left there. In any case if this HAPPENED, we are not sure of that.

About lying, people DO lie, especially under pressure, cops eager to make a case, All you want to do is going home.... give them want they want... he wasn't able to.

The dad is a lawyer, the best advice IF his son was quilty would have been, commit it, tell it was an accident, because if he had done so, he would have gotten a way lower sentencing, probably sued as a kid instead of an adult, maybe a couple years and probation...

Who knows why the dad said what he did, maybe all what he meant was, there is nobody dead YET, because no body hasnt been found yet.

[purplasia14]

I think that most people know exactly what blog Dan is talking about! They have turned into complete hypocrits and they are now trying to make themselves into "important" individuals relating to this case. When all reality all they are are people who are trying to make money and grow fame off this case. I am so glad that DAN isn't afraid to talk about it. Ya know on their site when they promote their own fame they block the comment, so that noone can tell them just how pathetic they are! Thanks Dan for at least being someone who isnt afraid to show their true personality and feelings no matter what response ya get. At least you can tell you are a "real person"! It would be funny as hell if that blog did get hit with a huge lawsuit, I would laugh so hard because they deserve it for what they have done to create total hate against people who still could be innocent.

[exilesanctuary.com]

Puplasia, I echo your kudos for Dan Riehl. Many here have accused Dan of having an agenda, but, he has demonstrated fairness to all sides, and most importantly, he is almost alone in being willing to abide by journalistic integrity, reporting controversial opinions, based on things that were deliberately ignored by the biased yellow journalism of the mainstream American media.

Far from being on the defense side, he started out, like all of us, on a quest for justice and truth. He was fearless, and printed the first breaches in the case against the three suspects, but, never stated that they were innocent. I believe he should be applauded as a compassionate journalist who loves the law, and who believes in telling the truth. That's been a scarce commodity in this whole case, all along.

He has never engaged in self-serving hyperbole, unlike almost everyone else who was reporting, or discussing this case. I regard him as being one of the fairest people who covered this case. He has also shown compassion towards Natalee, and her family, avoiding bashing them.

Dan Riehl is an inspiration to me, and I have the deepest respect and appreciation for his dedication to the subjects he reports. He doesn't claim to be anything other than what he is, even though many of us feel he is a hero, a title he would probably downplay. He was the first person who had the courage to report things that contradicted the popular views, and he was willing to take the heat.

Thank you Dan.

[charles]

If NH died by accident, his father would not have bothered to do anything to the body: As someone who is familiar with Dutch law and local jurisprudence, he would have known that Joran, as a minor and with all the other circumstances, would probably not serve a day in prison. And even if Joran did slip her a date drug, it would be hard or impossible for the prosecution to prove that it was Joran who was responsible for that.

The statements that I have seen (and translated in this case) only show that there was speculation on behalf of the suspects on what could have happened to NH. All the reports (proces verbaal) were written up by the interrogating officers; we don't know what was said or asked by them, only what (part of) there response was.

If Joran answered those questions/interrogations with different speculations/answers, it might explain the '50' different stories the NH-family are referring to. You have to take in consideration that he was questioned for almost 3 months, sometimes all day, using multiple officers, methods (including the infamous ‘Zaanse method) and techniques without an attorney present during most, if not all of, the questioning, while he was only 17 years old.

And I was impressed by Greta yesterday! Although the incarceration of the latest suspect and all the legal proceeding are identical to the ones 10-11 months ago; they should know the legal process by now. They did finally have a real expert in the show to answer questions about the legal proceedings and have there panel of 'experts' ask question about it. A first?

I bet that if the ALE’s request to extent the suspects detention on a scheduled date, is denied by an Aruban court, the release this suspect will be the day after major disaster will hit the U.S., like the one that hit New Orleans!