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exilesanctuary I dont mean to sound rude but you said this suspect made more sense then the first three. Either you are psysic or you actually know who got rid of NH. The three boys are still the main suspects and they will continue to be until either someone talks or the boys die. No way three people who was last seen with NH are innocent. Hell these three cant even get their stories straight on who drove the car or who took Joran home. Even Joran told Greta one story of how he got home from the beach while the brothers told a different story. If the boys cant come to a simple agreement like this what makes you think they didnt do something to NH or know who actually did. I may be able to agree the boys didnt kill her themselves but they absolutly 100% know where she is or was.

Posted by: brent | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:30 AM
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We all get different gut feelings about things. Beside my assessment of this kid, the reality is that it's very unusual for teenagers to withstand the kind of daily interrogation and pressure that he was under. I honestly think he withstood it because he left Natalee on the beach, and believed she would turn up. One of the statements he made recently about how he would be mad at Natalee if she turned up alive gave him the most credibility in my eyes.

It doesn't mean I'm right, but, we each form conclusions based on our experiences in life, and our impressions of various things. I never felt this kid deliberately harmed Natalee, and I believe even if it was an accident, he would have eventually cracked and confessed. The heartache of her family would be an incentive for him to do this, and he does not strike me as a sociopath or a bad kid, despite horrendously unfair portrayals of him in the American media.

How do you know that Ruddy???

hell, my joke clear back in July (when someone was trying to inject the Scientologists into this) was that it was "Tom Croes" involved! ; )

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:36 AM
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LOLOL~!~ I love it!! Maybe that explains why Tom has gone off the proverbial deep end in the past year! That fruity little club may have scrambled his brains, but, he may be key to the bigger conspiracy!

Well i have had repeted emails with Joran over the last many months and I can tell you that he is one of the nicest, polite, appreciative, young men that I have yet to know. There is abslutely no way the young man I have come to feel like he is my 4th son could have done anything bad to Natalee - I would stake all I own on it!!

I hope the VDS family finally is going to be fear from this dark clowd - they just have not deserved it.

Joran is either directly or indirectly the cause of all this.

He is also a repeated liar.


A RUMOR that Beth is headed for Aruba

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3415.30

Exile, I thought joran saying he would hate Natalee if she turned up alive was a pretty stupid statement. If she did, HE WOULD BE in the clear& a lot of us would owe him an apology. He only said that because he knows she's not alive.

Groan.

Not this shit again. Yet another "arrest." This guy will turn out to be the beach bum whose sketch was sent out, and he won't know a damn thing about Natalee Holloway or anything else.

RstJ

RstJ,

DON'T BE SO CYNICAL!!

BTW, I agree...I'm not holding my breath

Not this shit again. Yet another "arrest." This guy will turn out to be the beach bum whose sketch was sent out, and he won't know a damn thing about Natalee Holloway or anything else.
RstJ
Posted by: RstJ | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:10 AM

I fear you are right. If this does not pan out -- Aruba will look more foolish. ( maybe that is not possible ;) )

If he is a relative/friend of J2K, the underground thread will implode.

Well i have had repeted emails with Joran over the last many months and I can tell you that he is one of the nicest, polite, appreciative, young men that I have yet to know. There is abslutely no way the young man I have come to feel like he is my 4th son could have done anything bad to Natalee - I would stake all I own on it!!

I hope the VDS family finally is going to be fear from this dark clowd - they just have not deserved it.

Posted by: Jan | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:53 AM
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Thank you Jan. The vdSloots have comported themselves with grace and dignity this past year, despite sickening portrayals of them, and shocking allegations. While Beth and Dave have suffered an immeasurable loss, if Joran is found to be innocent, through the discovery of another perpetrator, it will become evident how unfairly the American media portrayed this Dutch family, night after night. It reminds me of the movie, "A Cry In The Dark."

Maybe the Aruban police and investigators did a lousy job, but, the American media behaved abominably. There's no excuse for professional journalists, most of them lawyers, to have participated in such a witch hunt, no matter what.

Jan, I hope you don't trust your daughter to vacation with Joran.....

MSNBC says the person arested
knows all three suspects.

Exile, I thought joran saying he would hate Natalee if she turned up alive was a pretty stupid statement. If she did, HE WOULD BE in the clear& a lot of us would owe him an apology. He only said that because he knows she's not alive.

Posted by: punkingale | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:00 AM
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He would be in the clear if she turned up alive, but, it seemed like an honest response from him to claim that he'd hate her for doing this to not only him, and his family, but, to her own family. It may be an insensitive thing, considering she is most certainly deceased, and he would know this, like most people understand the reality of her disappearance not having a positive outcome. For that reason, it seemed more genuine, because, if he was doing damage control, he'd try to make himself seem overly gracious and wonderful. It would have seemed pretty phony for him to claim he'd have no hard feelings. Think of what kind of year this guy's had, if he is innocent, of course...


One site that has been following the case says that the suspect, 19 year-old Godfried van Cromvoirt, has a sister who is an Aruban police officer and that he's a beach bum who is a friend of Steve Croes - the boat captain who attempted to provide an alibi for Joran van der Sloot last year.

So if it turns out that this person is the one responsoble for the killing, is FOX going to rehab jordan van de sloot and the aruban status ?
or is this going along like so many other things ?
Hope they learn that if you're not 100% sure that someone is the killer you can not say he is the criminal.

Maybe this person is tired of all this sh** and is ready to collect the reward money.

If turns out that Joran vd Schoot is innocent he and his father will sue family Holloway, Fox Networks and not forgotten Dr Phill for many millions of dollars.
Just a rehabilitation wont help.

Cor, helemaal mee eens


From: HYSCIENCE
Subject: Update
Dear shoshane:

What I have been able to piece together is that the gentleman arrested is the son of Willem van Cromvort who owns VCB Security. From what some posters on other blogs are commenting, VCB Security provides the beach securty for the Marriott Beach where Natalee Holloway was allegedly left by Joran van der Sloot.

The person arrested works for VCB Security. Some confusion remains as to whether the person arrested was on beach patrol (security) the evening that Natalee Hollwoay disappeared or if he was a member of the Visibility Team for the Marriott Beach area.

It appears that the sister of the person arrested is an Aruban policewoman; however, she was sworn in only last August 2005. So, any ensuing cover-up involving the police department would be minimal, at beast.

The arrest, apparently, is not the big break for which we have been waiting. The person arrested has merely erred in some statements that he made to Aruban investigators during his interviews. What those errors were or could implicate has not been released. Right now, the person arrested is merely under suspicion ... in much the same manner in which Joran and the Kalpoe Brothers were entrianed into the case.

With Aloha,
# Posted by harry at 04/16/2006 07:21 am - reply- forum

It's been reported he is connected to Joran and the Kalpoes. His pic in one of Joran's various sites. The 19 year old is not the beach bum. The sketch of the flasher etc is not 19 years old. Pretty nice try at reaching though.

If he's not connected to the suspects then it's just a patsy they are trying to arrest because the peak of tourist season is among Aruba. Pretty shameful if you ask me but what else would you expect from those creeps.

Well i have had repeted emails with Joran over the last many months and I can tell you that he is one of the nicest, polite, appreciative, young men that I have yet to know. There is abslutely no way the young man I have come to feel like he is my 4th son could have done anything bad to Natalee - I would stake all I own on it!!

I hope the VDS family finally is going to be fear from this dark clowd - they just have not deserved it.

Posted by: Jan | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:53 AM

You are jumping to conclusions that have not been verified. Aruba has not released any information about why GVC has been detained or what his possible connection is to the case.

He could be a witness or a suspect. He could be the witness that rolls on the VDS family. He could be another Aruban media show of false hope to this case. Or he could be the selected fall guy to convict someone and end the case.

You said you have come to know Joran through emails. People can be anything or anyone they want to be on the INTERNET. You said you would stake all you "own" that JVDS did nothing bad to Natalee. You said the VDS family do not deserve the dark cloud they have lived under. Yet you offered NO support to the victim and her family who have suffered the greater loss.

You are the person that promoted and solicited money for that ridiculous "open letter to Oprah" ad in the NY Times that was a complete waste.

Those two things alone indicate who you are and what motivates you.

News reports this morning are giving an update from sources in Aruba that GVC in custody is a person that may have information about what happened that night between the three main suspects and NH. He is supposedly a friend of the three. According to new reported the sources say Joran and K2 remain the prime suspects and that this could be a result of any or all of the three boys "talking" since they were released.

"You said you have come to know Joran through emails. People can be anything or anyone they want to be on the INTERNET. You said you would stake all you "own" that JVDS did nothing bad to Natalee. You said the VDS family do not deserve the dark cloud they have lived under. Yet you offered NO support to the victim and her family who have suffered the greater loss."

I think everyone involved/with interest in this case want Natalee back. But the van der Sloot and Kalpoe families have equal hard times as the Twitty/Holloway-families. Sure: Joran and the Kalpoes lied, but so did Beth and Dave. Can't we just hang them all so this case is over.

The only thing that's proven is that a girl is missing and her parents have a very unique way to deal with that loss: cashing in... big time.

The rest of the case is one big foggy swamp of slander, libel and most of all uncertainties (sp?).

I can't wait to hear the details. I always thought Joran had nothing to do with Natalee other than what he has stated.

Now if this young many just talks and tells what he knows. Moey

I have always thought Steve Croes was involved in the disposal of Natalee's body. So, if this new guy is connected to him, that would be my suspected link. Remember, though, we had the arrest of Jaime last summer and it lead to nothing, so let's not rush to judgment.

Jan, sorry, I don't buy your story. Even if Joran is shown to be innocent of foul play, which I doubt, I would still criticize the van der Sloots for the undisciplined manner in which they have raised their oldest son. A seventeen year old who has his own apartment and is out drinking and gambling in the wee hours of the morning night after night is hardly the model son, and they are not model parents for allowing this.

I will wait and see how this plays out. So GVC knows the suspects plus Steve Croes and connected to the Marriott Resort. There is one witness that saw 4 boys with a shovel coming from beach at Marriott on the night Natalee was missing. If these facts are true then Joran,Satish,Deepak,GVC or Steve Croes all need to be arrested again(GVC already arrested) and lets find the truth. The truth will come out unless this is another dog & pony show by the polis.

James,
Beth and Dave have not lied. The only thing you have to compare their statements to are the lies coming out of Aruba. If the case is ever solved , you will find the victim's family told the truth.

And they have not cashed in. Their loss cannot be bought or sold. There is nothing more valuable than a life. And I think you people that claim the victims family is cashing in do not know what you are talking about. What amount of money would you require for a member of your family? Think about that before you say something so stupid.

Let's hope Jan winds up burning in the fiery cauldrons of hell with Joran.

Remember the Holloways and Twittys that they expected more arrests in this case. They (Holloways and Twittys) did not tell us all.

God Bless Natalee this Easter and bless her family

Ok folks - I have it right from the Van der sloot family JORAN DOES NOT KNOW this Person - so whoever he is, or whatever he has done or not done - I repeat _ Joran does not know him!!! This is coming from both Joran and Anita!! So stupid Rasping Rita can shove it and so can Clint Van Zandt - try once in awhile to get your facts straight - or shut up!

Jan:
Wow, not to be sarcastic, but you got right from Joran (you know, he is such an honest upstanding boy, always ready to be honorable and tell the truth, why wouldn't we believe him?) Give me a break....Julie

Another arrest? How many innocent people are going to have their lives ruined over the wild girls of Alabama?

Why is this party girl more important than everyone else in the United States AND Aruba?

There were two " beach bums " questioned at the very beginning. Worked at a surf shop.

Lets not jump to conclusions.
He hasn't been charged with anything.

Jan, we know better.

van Cromvoirt's father runs a security firm that handles Mambo Jambos, Moomba's, Marriott, and Tierra del Sol golf course. As someone on Refugees dug up (ironically from Dan's blog), a t-shirt with the VCB logo on it was found on the far south side of the island along with a bottle of Lysol and "ladies sunglasses." And a piece of styrofoam w/teeth marks. K2J were quick to point the finger at "security guards" although they were black, unemployed, and even when working did not work for VCB. Interesting choice of patsy in the light of this new info.

Various sources (Anita, Renfro) say Joran didn't know the kid. Blowjob-face Rita Cosby claims he did. Twittys and Holloways initially gave the kid's name as Jaime Vasquez (whatever) and now are saying...well, I don't know. Nor do I particularly care all that much since they don't have any real information.

Kid's sister is recent polis (Aug 2005) and the kid himself may or may not have been working for his father's company at the time (May 2005).

VCB also runs a "visibility team" which might be the same visibility team initially contacted by the chaperone and DEA agent on the island.

RstJ

hell, my joke clear back in July (when someone was trying to inject the Scientologists into this) was that it was "Tom Croes" involved! ; )

I just had to comment on that joke. FUNNY
...............................
Ok, they haven't said what charges.

There were two beach bums questioned at the beginning. These were two guys who worked at a surf shop. There was no connecetion according to the ALE.

I don't think that the term beach bum is like a Beuti beach bum. Surfer guy ?

This is just so out of the blue that I have my suspicions as to what is going on here.

Inconsistencies with previous statements.....
Notice how none of us trust anything that comes out of Aruba ?
I would be more interested in the path that led to this " detainment ". Hope the guy has a good lawyer just in case he is targeted as the saviour of the Sloots.
There are people here who already have the guy
arrested. They have been no formal charges. From the charges, we will know more.


It's great to have another potential lead in a case that seemed to be going south. I doubt the trio knew him, unless he attended the International School or used the internet cafe.

I'm hoping that soon the truth will be discovered and Natalee's remains.

While the trio is not off the hook yet, this may be the break that leads toward resolution.

Jan;

Joran is a liar, so we will not believe anything HE says.

Lets just wait until things have unravelled and been disclosed more. We have no facts.

The " case " has not been solved, they are doing the questioning today.

The ALE in ARUBA are so incompetent, that I don't take anything they say at face value either.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak (A.L.E.) Dirty Hand is revealed
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63324

Joe T. is now admitting that Joran and the Kalpoes are Aquaintences of CVG.

hey wreck....you sure made me laugh 2day.


||It is all running together w/ speculation. "Charles Croes" has a son named "Giovanni Croes." Some reports have the "detainee" as a "friend" of "Steve Croes." Lots of combinations of "GVC".

I said this the other night -- "the whole damn island is related to each other."

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:20 AM ||


maybe you heard this one...a typical related person on Aruba: "yeah i have a friend who has a friend who is friend with JVD" :D


||hell, my joke clear back in July (when someone was trying to inject the Scientologists into this) was that it was "Tom Croes" involved! ; )


Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:36 AM||

hey be careful. "Tom Croes" may pull your comments faster than they pulled that SP episode :D

Not this shit again. Yet another "arrest." This guy will turn out to be the beach bum whose sketch was sent out, and he won't know a damn thing about Natalee Holloway or anything else.
RstJ
Posted by: RstJ | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:10 AM

I fear you are right. If this does not pan out -- Aruba will look more foolish. ( maybe that is not possible ;) )


Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:14 AM

nope not possible....lol :D
but i wonder. did they detained the person or arrest him? because if i'm not mistaken they detained jvd, not arrest him.

Joe T. is now admitting that Joran and the Kalpoes are Aquaintences of CVG.

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Is he on TV now ?

UPDATE IV: 4/16/06 (Hat Tip: sleuth)
MSNBC - Rita is saying that it is the same GVC Hercules brought to us last night, arrest possibly due to conversations after-the-fact and that interrogations will take place today.
...........

Convesations after the fact. I smell a whole bunch of nothing.

Reports are now that CVG is a "Polis Trainee."

... it was "Polis Trainees" who did the "Re-enactment" on TV last week..
(please don't tell me the guy that played "JoraN' isn't who they detained because someone saw him on the show. ;)

Joe T. is now admitting that Joran and the Kalpoes are Aquaintences of CVG.

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Wreck: Where did you hear/see this, can you provide link? Thanks. moey

Tyler, Hope the Easter Bunnie Wunnie came to you house. As soon as I got up this am, I came on this blog.
That's what, dedicated, sick, addicted, or what.

Joe T. is now admitting that Joran and the Kalpoes are Aquaintences of CVG.

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Wreck: Where did you hear/see this, can you provide link? Thanks. moey

Posted by: moey | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:26 AM

I'm trying to get that source verified -- supposedly Joe T. followed-up with comment that "ALL the young people in Aruba know each other." (that makes it sound like something Joe would say -- so I tend to believe it.) stand-by for moer info


(that makes it sound like something Joe would say -- so I tend to believe it.) stand-by for moer info

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 11:33 AM

The VDS family claims that Joran doesnt know this guy.

Another arrest? How many innocent people are going to have their lives ruined over the wild girls of Alabama?

Why is this party girl more important than everyone else in the United States AND Aruba?

Posted by: Starfishette | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 10:21 AM

What do you suggest? Let's not bother to investigate her possible murder because whe was drunk? And which innocent people have had their lives ruined over this? How do you know who innocent? The three suspects still do not agree on key issues. At least one of them must be lying. Should we not ask why?

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