Natalee Holloway Update

Someone sent a link to a video today. But I believe it's in Dutch. And there's word about a possible new suspect sought. Honestly I give all these reports little creedence, unfortunately.

Yesterday the case was a hot item on Dutch television, as they are trying to
involve more people by also apealing to Dutch an Aruban witnesses, that may
have photo or video footage with maybe in the background some evidence that
might proof against the statements of Joran and his friends. The documentary
is in Dutch, subtitled in Papiamento. It contains a reconstruction of facts
and statements that have been done in the case, replayed by actors on
location in Aruba

Comments

[SinCerely]

Weird. You know I am not a Natalee Holloway poster. Not that the entire case doesn't bother me. Tonight looking at Easter recipies for homemade "Peeps" Natalee came to mind. Not that there is a connection between the two. Just thinking back as a mom to the days of buying Easter candy, outfits for my now grown kids and my mind drifted to Natalee and her family. Clicked on RWV read the Chatty Hillary post and the page refreshed to Natalee.

I hope this season of Lent/Easter brings some long awaited answers for her family.

Nice job on the Hillary post btw.

[cabrito]

test

[John Kelley]

Look into:

Michael Posner
Marten Van den Berg
Alexx the Axeman

[Dr S]

thanks dan for this

i sent you something from a hotmail address that i think you need to see.

glad to see you have stayed with this and i hope you are well

[gemebwai]

In the intro is stated "some evidence that
might proof against the statements of Joran and his friends", which I feel is not correct, the other part is evedince that collaborates their statements. The power of the program is that cases are brought as open as possible and with a minimal of prejudgement.

[Berry]

Predictably, Ms Twitty cannot get her head around the trio. She sees the assault that preceded Natalee's disappearance as having nothing to do with the fact that the three lied. Never mind the other guy assaulted a woman at the Huts area - the trio lied, so they must be the killers.

It's alarming that a man assaulted a woman in the same area a week or so earlier and she reported the event to police, who saw no connection. And now, almost a year later, they are looking for him?

[COLUMBO]

"And now, almost a year later, they are looking for him?"

question is, why did they avoid looking for him all along-who's relative is he?

Beth is using the 3 and their statements/lies to pry open the truth.... a stepping stone

[Skye]

Joran even lied about why he lied. Joran's lies has brought forth a lot of truth about Aruba. Exposed a few murders on the so called low crime island that we would not have heard about if the island were not under the media's watchful eye.

[dt]

berry - what is astonishing is that you fail to follow the case and fail to realize that when Larry King asked Dave Holloway about this on his show he said it was old news and that the FBI had talked to this woman and a profile was done on this man. The other fact is that just because Joran said he left Natalee in that vicinity means it is true? There's no doubt in my mind that this info on a flasher or whatever in that area was relayed (because it was reported to the police and put on the backburner according to Bitch Renfro on the Abrams Report last night) to Paulus through his connections and that's when suddenly Joran's story again changed to fit into possibly a beach bum killing her or whatever, just like when he tried to pin the rap on the two security guards. More lies. Dompig even thinks she was never taken to the beach. Joran and the Kalpoes are at odds of who picked Joran up from that area. Joran says Satish, Satish says Joran is lying....most likely the beach story is BS.

Another amazing thing is Bitch Renfro never mentioned her bombshell videotape to Dan Abrams last night. Geez....I wonder why? Probably because it was ALREADY INVESTIGATED and proves nothing just like this beach bum or whoever.

[RstJ]

"question is, why did they avoid looking for him all along"

Because this woman is FOS and her story has evolved over time. All that sketch is going to do is generate more dead-end leads.

RstJ

[wreck]

Because this woman is FOS and her story has evolved over time. All that sketch is going to do is generate more dead-end leads.
RstJ
Posted by: RstJ | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 09:05 AM

I too think the "guy on the beach" is not involved -- but why is the woman "FOS." She was on TV about 2 months ago with this story. She DID report this at the the time of the attack. She is a frequent visitor to Aruba with a time-share. She immediaately went to the Hotel desk reported it and the Polis were called. She also said, that she was able to stay in sight of the actual fishermen at the huts when this happened.

[DennisAOK]

This guy did not commit sexual assault - he is a flasher, and was known to police.

The van der Sloots would like nothing more than to divert attention away from undisciplined Joran. The beach story was created after the boys got caught in the Holiday Inn lie. It's convenient - no cameras at the beach. But three fishermen who were there last night said they did not see Joran and Natalee.

[xxx]

Everyone seems to be forgetting the 3 fishermen who say they were near the fishermen's huts all night and that there was no JOran or Natalee on the beach.

If Natalee was not on the beach, then no guy who assaulted another woman on the beach assaulted Natalee on the beach because she was never there, alive at least.

Everyone also seems to be forgetting that allegedly there are other people who were on the beach who did not see Joran and Natalee where Joran says they were.

Since we don't know exactly where the fishermen were and what time, we can't say for sure how big a hole this puts in Joran's beach story, a fatal hole that pretty much disproves it or a hole that just leaves room for more questions, that maybe they could have been on the beach for an hour and no one saw them.

I've never thought Natalee was alive on the beach.

The beach story comes from Joran's father's coaching because it is virtually impossible to disprove, they can always raise doubt that it was dark, and no one saw them...

[moey]

Re: Fishermen.

If there were three fishermen at the huts, why is there no affidavits attached to JQK's response?

Their ploy to hear this case in NY is bogus; there is no way with all of the publicity, Dave's book, TV talking heads, etc., etc., there isn't a snowball's chance in **** that the defendants could get a fair trial bench/jury in NY.

What I would like to know is why there are not affidavits from Natalee's good friends, Francis Byrd, Twitty twins, Haleigh Uncapher and the boy who had dinner with her the night before. They are noticeably missing from this document in support of JQK/Holloway case. What's up with that???? Moey

[xxx]

He only wants affidavidts that support the jurisdictional issue at this point so he's not going to attach every single potential witness that he might call, that is why he includes mostly those in New York and the surrounding states, to bolster the contention that NY is an appropriate forum.

The fishermen's statements have nothing to do with the civil case at this point, Kelly is trying to get the case approved, not argue the merits of the case.

I found it odd that Ruth or Frances didn't submit affidavidts but it could be that their statements would be too detailed, or he doesn't want them to say they would never go to Aruba or for some other reason.

[wreck]

What I would like to know is why there are not affidavits from Natalee's good friends, Francis Byrd, Twitty twins, Haleigh Uncapher and the boy who had dinner with her the night before. They are noticeably missing from this document in support of JQK/Holloway case. What's up with that???? Moey

Posted by: moey | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 10:34 AM

Hey, I don't know -- but here is a guess: this is not the time in the preliminary filings for these to be presented. The only things being presented now are things pertaining to jurisdiction, etc. That is why you have "statements" from karen J. and Helen L. pertaining to why some witnesses should be deposed in NYC as opposed to Aruba or somewhere else.

[DennisAOK]

Their ploy to hear this case in NY is bogus; there is no way with all of the publicity, Dave's book, TV talking heads, etc., etc., there isn't a snowball's chance in **** that the defendants could get a fair trial bench/jury in NY.

Posted by: moey | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 10:34 AM

Did Natalee's family get justice in Aruba, where Joran had the run of the island, Pauus called in favors, and the cops looked the other way when signs pointed to Jorn's involvement?

[moey]

DennisAOK:

Perhaps if BHT hadn't come in like gangbusters and tried to fit the facts to J2K being the persons who did 'something' to Natalee, she would not have burned her bridges. I don't condone threats, but her Joe M certainly made some very nasty threats publicly, so it cuts both ways.

As for the J2K as of this date there is no substantiated independent forensic evidence that this is anything more than a missing person case. There is absolutely no evidence of a crime scene, no clothing, buttons, hair, fiber, nada nothing to indicate a crime has even been committed. Yes, there are a lot of 'interrogation statements' floating around that the ALE proposed to JK2 that they they never signed.

Its still a missing person case no matter what posturing the family takes.

As for a fair trial in NY, with all the publicity in this country, TV, radio, talking heads, family boycott, dave's book, I don't think it will ever stay in NY, but then I think the whole thing will be tossed. MO Moey

[mylena]

hi,
I just listened to this video, for xxx it isn't said there were more people on the beach who didn't see anything, what was said was that they are looking for people who may of may not have seen anything.

I thought it was a good show, trying to get people to call even if it would be yes i was there and i didn't see her.

also i heart on this forum that NH didn't speak with Joran that night, but according to the policereports, she did.

In any case this show runs weekly and next week they will tell whether they got tips.

[john]

Unfortunately the only way to solve the case is to kidnap Joran and force him to confess that he raped , killed and disposed of Natalee out in the sea with gun on head , and then after he does confess , pull the trigger. End of story. No body will ever be found and PVDS made that sure . No sea searches would turn up anything since the body has been feasted on by fish long ago.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OUT , ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[mylena]

oh what i meant what talking in Carlos to Joran.....

[Skye]

Moey,
There is no evidence because Joran lied about the crime scene. The actual crime scene has never been searched. Joran's beach story is a LIE. The VDS family had ten days to clean up the crime scene and to refuse to allow search of the crime scene. That is the only reason ALE does not have evidence. Even ALE knows that Joran and Natalee were not at the beach.

And Beth did not come in like gangbusters. They were met by guilty people that were surprised their victims family appeared so soon.

Another thing, the VDS claim that Joran had sneaked out that night and yet he was out again the next night gambling in a casino with permission or was he really disposing of evidence of his crime. There is no proof he was in the casino the next night. He had permission to be out and the truth is PVDS never had control of Joran so Joran never had to sneak out. That is VDS family lie too.

[harold]

They are noticeably missing from this document in support of JQK/Holloway case. What's up with that???? Moey

Posted by: moey | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 10:34 AM

what's with this? their affidavits are not needed because they are relevant to this petition, once you learn to assign relevance and weight to all the rumors and nonsense that carry around in your head, then you might be able to see the case in a clear light and understand what is going on.
Even as a Beth hater, you get a poor grade.

[DennisAOK]

Moey,

Beth didn't fit the facts to frame Joran. The facts led her to his doorstep. Believe what you want, but most people would say his conduct is not that of an innocent person. And most criminal experts in this country and at least some in Holland have been critical of the way ALE conducted this investigation. It is simply common sense to detain the last people known to be seen with a missing person.

By your standard no one should have suspected foul play against Jimmy Hoffa, either.

Joe M did not enter the scene until many weeks later.

After reading the court filing, I believe jurisdiction will be granted. Justice cannot be had in Aruba, and it is not convenient for many witnesses. However, I doubt the van der Sloots will show up, and, unless they expect to cash in on their notoriety, they probly have few assets to protect.

[moey]

Skye and others:

Do you have any idea of what a crime scene looks like and how hard it is to sanitize it after a murder/disposal of body!

I don't know who lied about what, but I know both sides have lied.

I don't happen to think that Joran did anything to Natalee except decide that he no longer wanted to be with her and used his no condom as an excuse to get away.

Making statements about physical harm to Joran or anyone else is crazy - we do live in a civilized world and no one should take the law into their own hands for revenge.

Plainly, there is no evidence in this case. It needs to be investigated thoroughly back from day one. Hopefully that is what JT and his investigators are doing now and will continue to do until the truth is uncovered.

I personally do not think it is going to land at the feet of Joran, but of course that is just my guess from all I have read and heard and sifted through. It's not rocket science - there is no evidence of anything but a missing woman. That's awful in and of itself, but its still all there is evidence of.

Threats and crazy comments do not help anyone. IMHO Moey

[moey]

DennisAOK:

And you think they can have a fair trial, unprejudiced jury in NY??? Not gonna happen! Moey

[ashley]

Guilty or not , Joran is a real hunk !

[IMHERE]

Guilty or not , Joran is a real hunk !

Posted by: ashley | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 01:31 PM

Clean up needed in isle 3

Me thinks
Hahaha

[moey]

Harold:

Not relevant? Francis Byrd was supposedly her roommate at the HI and also her best friend, why wouldn't her Affidavit about reputation be relevant? Oh, that's right she made the ambiguous statement about Natalee later that night; JQK wouldn't want that placed under a microscope!

I don't pay much attention to the rumors as there are many. Unfortunately there are very few facts and absolutely no forensic evidence that anything happened except there is a missing woman. That's awful, but it needs investigating thoroughly and hopefully that is what JT and his whole staff is doing as we speak. IMHO Moey

[xxx]

Because he doesn't want to put her affidavit in play at this point, again, anyone who thinks the only people Kelly would call for the actual trial are the people who have submitted affidavidts is a dolt. Of course all of her roommates would be called to testify in a trial, I assume Dave Holloway would also testify, but unless I missed it, he doesn't have an affidavidt attached, do you think that means he's going to refuse to testify? Frances will be testifying in any civil trial, you can count on it.

There is no forensic evidence because no one knows where the crime took place and because the suspects were given 10 days to dispose of what little forensic evidence there ever might have been, which was for the most part, Natalee Holloway herself and her clothing.

We know Deepak was cleaning his car the next morning, another friggin random coincidence????????? Not a single hair on Natalee's head found in the car, but we know she was in it, so what does that prove?

What forensic evidence do you think there would be? Do you think they shot her and there's a gun?

Joe T. is not interested in the truth, he is interested in anything that points away from Joran van der Sloot and that is it. If he was interested in the truth he wouldn't have been talking about obviously bogus key card records, focusing only on the key card uses at 3am and failing to also say the same card was used at 1:30, when we know Natalee COULD NOT HAVE USED IT, and 11am the next day, when everyone was frantically looking for her.

[DennisAOK]

Moey,

I have no doubt a dozen people could be found in New York who would hve an open mind about this case. Hell, there are plenty of Joran supporters on this blog, and this one is relatively tame.

Natalee's family in not after money with this suit, anyway. What they want is the opportunity to cross examine Joran under oath. If he is innocent, that should not be a problem.

[annie]

If some of you are still insisting that the guy on the beach was a flasher, then that means there was more than one assault, because the woman I saw being interviewed said that the man who attacked her on the beach attempted to rape her, and he had been hiding behind something, jumped out and grabbed her and tried to drag her behind something.

I think Aruba should come clean about just how many incidents there were.

This attempted rape took place a few days before Natalee disappeared in the beach area.

[moey]

DennisAOK:

No they don't have to be after money in the lawsuit with all of the donation sites set up on the internet, plus sale of all sorts of trinkets and then there is Dave's book which he says part of the profits are going to charity!

xxx: Of course there will be other witnesses at an actual trial, not just the ones who have Affidavits attached to this filing. If it ever comes to that it will be interesting to see who he puts on his witness list when he has to turn it over to the defense. My bet is that Francis is NOT going to be among those appearing!

I'm gone now and will leave the discussion to the tunnel visioned posters. Moey

[TYLER]

Why do you think Joran decided to respond to the lawsuit instead of defaulting in which case he would have nothing to lose anyway. I know that the school he is studying in right now is reasonably good . Why does he want the American public to clear him ? Whats on his mind ? Isnt a career and life in Europe good enough for him ?

[annie]

However, apart from the incidents of assaults on women, what I think also is of real interest is FACT that there was a white jeep following Joran, Natalee & Co when they drove off that night, and the person driving the jeep looked as though they were harrassing them.

Whether merely coincidence or not, it is of interest that the fishermen on the beach also reported seeing a vehicle matching this description coming down by the beach where the fishermen's huts are, and is where Natalee was said to have been left.

[annie]

Hey TYLER

If Joran has done nothing wrong, why shouldn't he want to try and clear his name and come to the US if he wishes.

What kind of a witchhunt mentality is that to try and drive somebody away from your country just by accusing them without proof!!

[annie]

I thought you would be above stuff like that TYLER!

[xxx]

Annie,

You keep forgetting the fishermen also said they never saw Joran or Natalee at the beach.

PS: I will predict now, that if Kelly is successful in getting the case heard, which I doubt, but if he is, there NO WAY IN HELL THAT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IS GOING TO BE DEPOSED IN THE US BY JOHN KELLY.

He will default at that time. No way he's going through a trial and allow real investigators and real lawyers to depose him and go though the evidence and his many nonsensical statements.

Never. Never. Never. And if he does I will eat my words and might even change my mind about his guilt.

[dt]

annie - YAWN...........BOOOORRRRRIINNNNNGGGGGG........

White jeep...blah blah blah, who said a white jeep was harassing them? Deepak? Joran? Yep they are real credible...LOL Thing is there are EYE witnesses that said Joran and Natalee were not there. Face it, they NEVER went to the beach.

How many times do you people have to hear that this flasher, assaulter whatever is OLD NEWS? This has been investigated and nothing has ever come of it, UNTIL NOW? It's all part of the grand scheme of this cover-up by Aruban officials, etc....They are looking for someone to pin this on and this guy now all of a sudden is of interest? BALONEY!

Dave Holloway basically laughed at Larry King when he asked him about this guy and stated the FBI interviewed this woman and did up a profile on this guy, etc......

You apologists will reach for anything when the truth is staring you right in the face.....

You same people still can't come up with a clear and logical reason as to WHY Joran, Kalpoes and Paulus LIED if they did nothing wrong? WHY Joran's and the Kalpoes stories PRESENTLY do not match? WHY?

(Waiting for all the skirting around this....)

[DennisAOK]

If Joran has done nothing wrong, why shouldn't he want to try and clear his name and come to the US if he wishes.

Posted by: annie | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 02:23 PM

Why indeed? I, for one, hope he comes and answers the tough questions ALE didn't ask him. But you qualify your comment with "if he has done nothing wrong". That's a mighty big "if"!

[annie]

Innocent until proven guilty, and if Greta is inclined to accept what Joran is saying, that is good enough for me for the time being. She has been on the heels of Joran for so long, and now she is willing to look elsewhere.

Why?

Because she has brains between the ears, that's why!!! What do you crowd have??

[dt]

HAHAHA...you're basing your conclusion on Greta Van Sustren? LOL. You don't actually think she REALLY believes him, especially after she's found out after that according to Deepak and Satish's lawyer, Joran was lying about who picked him up at the beach? When other parts of his story have been shattered and proven that he's lied again? Go ahead and email Greta and she what she says when she responds....you most likely will be looking for another tv head to LEECH onto.

[dt]

Once again....nobody can logically give an explanation of why they lied, changed their stories and now can't even agree to what the story is....? You just can't.

[annie]

dt

How nice it must be to be you!

Never to have told a fib in your life!

[TYLER]

What kind of a witchhunt mentality is that to try and drive somebody away from your country just by accusing them without proof!!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 02:23 PM

annie ,
I was just thinking aloud and raising questions for anyone to discuss . I didnt express any opinion of mine in that post . i dont know why you would think of it as witchhunt mentality . maybe ur mum didnt get you your fish n chippies tonite and u r left hungry . ;)

[annie]

Still wont get you into heaven though, 'cause you know what it says......

Judge not, that you be not judged!!

[annie]

Right on there TYLER

An I'm about to go have em now!!

[TYLER]

Right on there TYLER

An I'm about to go have em now!!

Posted by: annie | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 03:14 PM

bon appetit annie !

[harold]

Its still a missing person case no matter what posturing the family takes.

Posted by: moey | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 12:00 PM

do you have a brain? so why is the judge still consdering him a suspect if this is just a missing person case. do think the judge made his ruling based upon thin air, sorry, there is some shred of evidence that the judge relied upon. logic, i don't think you know what the word means.

[TYLER]

harold how r u doing man !