Natalee Holloway - Man Sought

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba police said Tuesday they were looking for a man who allegedly harassed a woman on a beach in this Dutch Caribbean island nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway went missing.

A tourist reported that a man, in his 20s, harassed her on the same beach where a Dutch youth says he dropped off Holloway the night she disappeared, police Commissioner Adolf Richardson told "Tracking Requested," a Dutch program that re-enacted Holloway's known final hours in Aruba and aired Tuesday in the island and the Netherlands.

This isn't new news. Many heard about this assault months ago.

Also, Dave's book is out.

Fox is discussing reports that Natalee was possibly spotted in security camera film from the hotel lobby ... at approximately 3AM the night she disappeared.

Comments

[david_1017]

Greta's program full of BS as usual. One of the BHT lawyers says there is a witness that "might" testify to a prior sexual assault by JVS if the case is heard in NY but wont if its heard in Aruba. Say what? "might" testify? JQK is trying to keep the civil case in NY with this kind of crap. A letter from KJ Aruban prosecutor saying keep the case in NY to keep the nutty US cable media off Aruba cause they will just hinder the investigation. Grasping at straws Mr Kelly. Any first year law student knows that proper jurisdiction and venue for this case is in Aruba or Holland but not the US. Forum non conviens is not US.

[iwabwu]

If she was spotted on a video camera at the HI at 3:00 a.m. why didn't the case end months, almost a year ago? Why did Paulus allow J2K to remain in lock-up over the summer? If there was any chance that this was Natalee, I think that the case would have been over months ago. No J2K in lockup, no J2K interviews, no J2K Skeeter tapes, no J2K threats, letters, etc. No reason for J2K to remain as suspects. JMHO

[RstJ]

Sounds like chum from Tacopina. Undoubtably there are any number of people on that videotape at various times, and it would hardly be a shock if one or two of them were blond and female. Now if one of them is blond, female, and wearing that dress she had on, that's something else entirely, but who really believes that's what the tape shows? Did Greta bother to show the video or do we have to wait until next week for that...

RstJ

[Kat_Gram]

Julia is on crack.

Why today ?

Dave's book got them nervous ?

IF THAT TAPE EXISTED WHY IS JULIA THE ONE TO BREAK THE NEWS ON FOX ?
Why did Julia look for Natalee ?

On Larry King Live, Dave said that they gave the tag number of the flasher car to the ALE.

If you want to email Julia Renfro. She is at ARUBA today.

I did. Told her to market the place to crack addicts.

Also told her that becasue I like my family, we would NEVER go to ARUBA. Because we would all like to come back ! !

[david_1017]

Kat Gram, have you ever been out of the state of Alabama or Denial? Seems under your theory one should never take a cruise, visit any foreign land, or any large US city. Stay in your cave.

[brookie]

I was told there were kids from Mountain Brook sitting in the lobby all hours of the night and that one of them would have seen Natalee if she had come in. Dito for by the pool area; the kids stayed up all night since it was their last night in Aruba. Surely one of them would have seen her if she returned to the hotel. I just don't buy the theory that she was captured on the hotel video. Wouldn't one of the desk attendants have taken notice; I would think that they're trained to be aware of who is coming and going in the lobby and be attentive to guest's arrival and departures. Also, the comuterized card key room entrance system...her other roomates would verify if they returned to room and at what time, and the times could be checked for any unaccounted for entrances.

[Pearly]

if she were on film AFTER Joran got through with her, Joran wouldn't have spent his summer vacation in KIA. Please!

[RstJ]

Not sure I understand why any students would be hanging around the lobby area all night. Sounds boring. The pool, sure. But not the lobby.

It's possible the camera picks up more than just the lobby area. You see a blond walking by outside, voila! it's Natalee. That might explain why ALE went after the black security guards--maybe they really thought that was her for a while, until K2J's story fell apart, and they realized it was far more likely she'd never returned to the hotel.

In any case, it would be nice to see the video ourselves. Arguing about what Julia Renfro thinks she saw isn't very rewarding. Although it does lead to the curious question of why Renfro was looking at that video in the first place. Did Beth show it to her?

RstJ

[Kat_Gram]

I don't live in a cave.
I do go on winter trips. And other kinds of trips in Canda and the US.

Mexico about 4 times. Including Mexico City, the pyramids outside the city, Mazatlan, Acapulco. And places in between the Texas border and Acapulco.

Nothing bad ever happened, but you gotta watch youself and your car. Way better to take a plane and leave the car at home.

Hawaii ... love it !

The Dominican Republic and Costa Rica and Cuba are where my work mates went this year. There are direct flight from here to these places.

When you know nothing about a place like me and Aruba and all your hear is the negative..
what would motivate me to go there ?

[Justicefornatalee]

I agree with RstJ--I bet the girl on the tape is a slender, young blonde who just resembles Natalee.

[brookie]

My family is getting ready to book a tropical vacation and there was absolutely no consideration given to Aruba, in spite of the "deals." There are so many other wonderful places to visit. Aruba is and forever will be tainted in my mind. The idea that the islanders could tolerate such low-quality law enforcement for so long leads me to believe that it is a questionable place and not desirable. The situation had spiraled downward from day one, and I'm not surprised that many others choose to avoid this island. After all, if you've got a choice, and there are plenty of other places to go, why choose Aruba? I certainly won't.

[Kat_Gram]

It is very hard to look at pictures of Natalee when she was a little kid that they are showing on Larry King Live while Dave is speaking.

We all saw pictures of Dave digging in the dump looking for his girl.

Then for the Aruba ALE to suggest that the family take a lie detector test and that she died of a drug or alcohol overdose or that they killed her to collect some insurance money or that she bought drugs from a bush dweller named Beuti and she brought this all on herself is sub human.

[JL]

COLUMBO...is this it man?

ORANJESTAD (AAN) :

Thursday DIARIO interviewed an American Docter who comes to Aruba frequently, who approached our newspaper, to tell something that happened, that may be related to the Natalee Holloway case.

He explained that he married a young girl of 19 years old, after they got engaged to each other in Aruba. After they?re divorce, the girl was very down and the docter decided to buy her a ticket for her, her parents and together with a [male] friend of the family, to go to Aruba.

The friends of the family was a person who would buy drugs now and then and he bought this from a dark-skinned man in front of the Holiday Inn.

He didn?t pay the man the whole sum and when the man asked him for the rest of the money, he pointed at the girl without her knowing and said that the girl was going to pay him the money.

The girl was staying in the same part of the hotel, where Natalee Holloway would have stayed, a few days later. He was staying in a room that was just infront of the room where eventually Natalee Holloway would stay.

To get to her room, she must pass behind the hotel next to the pool.

On one evening she was going to her room, when a dark-skinned man grabbed her and asked her for the drug money.

She said that she didn?t know anything about drugs, where the man said that if she didn?t arrange the money, something bad would happen.

Another evening, the same thing happened again, but this time the dark skinned man was accompanied by a white young man. Once more the dark skinned man threatened the young girl, that something bad would happen, if she didn?t come with the money.

The young girl begged the friend of the family to arrange the issue and he went to talk to the drug dealer and promised the next morning that he would pay the money the next morning.

However, the friend of the family took an early flight the next day and went back to the States.

The young girl was also very scared and left Aruba, a few days before she was scheduled to fly back.

Although the girl and the docter are divorced, they spent time together and one evening they saw the news of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The young girl became very emotional when she saw the two security guards because she recognized one of them. She became scared and showed the docter which one she recognized, because that was the dark skinned man who sold drugs to the friend of the family and threatened her behind the Holiday Inn.

In July the couple came to Aruba and they inmediately went to the police to give a declaration about this.

The docter explained DIARIO that he finds it strange that this has never come out in the media.

He also said that he told Jug Twitt the story and he at this turn told Beth Twitty.

Together with the police they went to the site, so that the girl can show exactly what happened. The docter explained that in spite of the fact that he came with this information, the mother keeps on insisting that Joran is the guily one in what happened to her daughter.

According to the docter, the girl, who is his ex wife, has long blonde hair and resembles Natalee.

He said that his ex wife is convinced that what happened was that Natalee was going to he rroom, taking the same night that she took every night, where the dark skinned man would have thought it was the other girl and fulfilled the threat that he made.

The dokter said that besides the fact that he gave the police in Aruba this information, he also gave this to the FBI, because he thinks it can be very important in solving this case.

Diario, 20th of January, page 3

COLUMBO...is this it man?

ORANJESTAD (AAN) :

Thursday DIARIO interviewed an American Docter who comes to Aruba frequently, who approached our newspaper, to tell something that happened, that may be related to the Natalee Holloway case.

He explained that he married a young girl of 19 years old, after they got engaged to each other in Aruba. After they?re divorce, the girl was very down and the docter decided to buy her a ticket for her, her parents and together with a [male] friend of the family, to go to Aruba.

The friends of the family was a person who would buy drugs now and then and he bought this from a dark-skinned man in front of the Holiday Inn.

He didn?t pay the man the whole sum and when the man asked him for the rest of the money, he pointed at the girl without her knowing and said that the girl was going to pay him the money.

The girl was staying in the same part of the hotel, where Natalee Holloway would have stayed, a few days later. He was staying in a room that was just infront of the room where eventually Natalee Holloway would stay.

To get to her room, she must pass behind the hotel next to the pool.

On one evening she was going to her room, when a dark-skinned man grabbed her and asked her for the drug money.

She said that she didn?t know anything about drugs, where the man said that if she didn?t arrange the money, something bad would happen.

Another evening, the same thing happened again, but this time the dark skinned man was accompanied by a white young man. Once more the dark skinned man threatened the young girl, that something bad would happen, if she didn?t come with the money.

The young girl begged the friend of the family to arrange the issue and he went to talk to the drug dealer and promised the next morning that he would pay the money the next morning.

However, the friend of the family took an early flight the next day and went back to the States.

The young girl was also very scared and left Aruba, a few days before she was scheduled to fly back.

Although the girl and the docter are divorced, they spent time together and one evening they saw the news of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The young girl became very emotional when she saw the two security guards because she recognized one of them. She became scared and showed the docter which one she recognized, because that was the dark skinned man who sold drugs to the friend of the family and threatened her behind the Holiday Inn.

In July the couple came to Aruba and they inmediately went to the police to give a declaration about this.

The docter explained DIARIO that he finds it strange that this has never come out in the media.

He also said that he told Jug Twitt the story and he at this turn told Beth Twitty.

Together with the police they went to the site, so that the girl can show exactly what happened. The docter explained that in spite of the fact that he came with this information, the mother keeps on insisting that Joran is the guily one in what happened to her daughter.

According to the docter, the girl, who is his ex wife, has long blonde hair and resembles Natalee.

He said that his ex wife is convinced that what happened was that Natalee was going to he rroom, taking the same night that she took every night, where the dark skinned man would have thought it was the other girl and fulfilled the threat that he made.

The dokter said that besides the fact that he gave the police in Aruba this information, he also gave this to the FBI, because he thinks it can be very important in solving this case.

Diario, 20th of January, page 3

[JL]

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_119_na.php

[Lexy]

Then for the Aruba ALE to suggest that the family take a lie detector test and that she died of a drug or alcohol overdose or that they killed her to collect some insurance money or that she bought drugs from a bush dweller named Beuti and she brought this all on herself is sub human.

Posted by: Kat_Gram | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 12:44 AM

What a pretentious fraud-squad the ALE is!!

[mary]

Thanks to Joe T pulling strings down there on Aruba , the focus is shifting away from Joran , something that should have been done months ago.

[anniekwa]

All angles should be investigated and I suspect that the family has looked at the details fairly closely. Dave always seemed logical and patient and willing to consider every detail. If Natalee had been on tape, I am sure both parents would have KNOWN it was her. Beth and Dave studied those over and over early on in the case. Any tape that would suddenly appear this amount of time later that shows her entering the HI, would seriously have to be analyzed by the FBI at this point in order to believe it was real. Composite tapes are so easily made anymore that anyone could have made it appear it was her and said they "found the tape", yada, yada. At this point in time, I am skeptical if it is Natalee and a real tape from that exact night in question and that time in question.

mary, I do agree that Joe is pulling strings down there and shifting the focus away from Joran, but not convinced all of the focus should be away from Joran just yet. I still contend that anyone with half a brain and conscience would not have ended up with the tremendous number of inconsistencies, lies and statements that Joran has made. He is far from an "innocent" in this case because if nothing else he has obstructed justice and cost the Aruban people and the HT family
far too much money chasing after false statements. What I do believe is good about Joe stirring up the pot is that it is bringing out a lot more to do with the case that is allowing further investigation, a revival of the investigation and still allowing this case to remain in the media so that pressure continues to seek answers. That is a good thing. Perhaps it will lead to new witnesses coming forward or at least the folks that are analyzing the facts already gathered may see the data with new eyes.

[truthbetold]

my gosh get over it already....there is no new lead or new suspect...blah blah blah it is all the same garbage rehashed again and again and again and for pete's sake a book deal? you don' even knwo if your child is alive or dead and you ink a book deal? the whole way natalees family has acted stinks worse than anything................enough is enough already

[Kat_Gram]

Hey truth be told :

Dave was approached and they were going to write the book with or without him. Dave is an honest Christian man who doesn't know where his daughter is or what happened to her.

He is not making any money on the book.

And if anyhting stinks it is the Aruba garbage dump where he searched for his girl !

Have you ever seen a missing person case in the USA where the FATHER sifts thru garbage
to look for his kid ? Sure, SM was there,
and one of the Mansurs and some other volunteers, but where the hell was the ALE ?

Dave was in Aruba for 75 days doing that.

While the Aruba ALE ate their frosted flakes ?

Why don't you get over it ?

[cheri]

Actually we have heard about that tape before..

dave was not 'sure" if it was natalee..
but Beth said NO it was not...the polis believed the 'grieving mother"??

Katgram...how miserable of you to email julia...I bet she is glad that you are not going to aruba, please stay the hell out of florida too...:)

JMO this case is OVER>>> JQK looks darn foolish....the girl who "might" come to testify?? JMO Helene met with that girl last august, there was nothing then, nothing now..a shabby ploy

Karin Janssens request was really silly...keep case in NY so that media does not overrun the island?? ouch

I think this is going to be dismissed...and I surely hope that Beth and Dave have to pay for Tacopina's fees as this was a frivolous, ridiculous case

After all this time, the Polis need to either cold case this or else take a quick, fresh look and tell detective Beth to stay the hell out of the way....search out other possible scenarios

btw...it was totally odd to see Beth lie yet again tonite>>> stating that Natalee did not drink?? LOL>> there are pictures of underage drinking parties in MB all over the net, pics of natalee at illegal parties..glass in hand, making silly little "gang" signs just like the ones that had Beth so upset when she saw pictures of Joran?

this is a farce, nice to see that rita lost her show, if these other talking heads keep letting Beth come on to lie, they may well lose theirs too

[Slaphappy]

Bet has never lied about anything. So all you jerks and creeps and lowlifes that keep putting down Natalee, Beth & Dave and the Mountain Brook students nead to get a life and shut your face ! You spineless cowards. You all need to be bitch slapped !

[curious]

If that is thought to be Nat on the video why wasnt it sent out for enhancement ????? should be sent to Holland Or FBI put it to rest

[Kat_Gram]

Katgram...how miserable of you to email julia...I bet she is glad that you are not going to aruba, please stay the hell out of florida too...:)

OK...I'll stay out of Florida, if you're there ! !

I am sick to death of your strange turdish ramblings.

[Kat_Gram]

NATALEE'S UNCLE SAYS 'RE-ARREST DEEPAK!'

Natalee Holloway's uncle is demanding that suspect Deepak Kalpoe be re-arrested in the 10-month-old mystery of the pretty blonde honor student who disappeared in Aruba. Deepak, his brother Satish and Joran van der Sloot were with the Alabama teen, pictured center, when she was last seen leaving a bar on the island in the early hours of May 30. Her uncle Paul Reynolds told The National Enquirer that he believes Deepak, 21, should be the chief suspect instead of van der Sloot, 18. Reynolds also wants Satish, 18, arrested again.

All three friends were held for questioning last summer but were later released.

Said Reynolds: "I think it's time Aruban authorities took a good look at the Kalpoe brothers again.

"After studying Joran's recent TV interviews I'm starting to believe that he did leave Natalee alone on the beach.

"Joran said that Satish picked him up and drove him home, leaving Natalee alone on the beach near the Marriott Hotel while Deepak stayed at home.

"Examining the distances from the Kalpoes' home to the beach, it would have taken Satish about 30 minutes to return to the beach, which is totally out of his way.

"I think that Deepak and Satish were not at home when Joran called but were spying on Joran and Natalee on the beach.

"Deepak probably wanted to try his luck with Natalee and told his brother to drive Joran home. He may have waited in the bushes for them to leave and then approached Natalee. She rejected him and that possibly led him to attack her."

Reynolds believes Deepak had a stronger motive for murder than Joran. He said: "Deepak is a loner who doesn't have any success with women but relies on Joran's leftovers.

"Deepak is a small, skinny guy. If he attacked Natalee, it would have been a more evenly matched struggle between them, and Natalee is more likely to have fought back and got hurt in the struggle.

"Joran is such a big guy in comparison that he could easily have restrained Natalee without killing her."
—Report by Rebecca Mowling

Published on: 03/24/2006

[ericka]

1. joe t and greta appear to have assaulted women coming out of the woodwork, so much for the happy island's reputation (or what's left of it).
2. just got dave's book. it's an interesting read and a bit different from what i expected.
3. 3am film is old also. oranjestad julia = baghdad bob.

[Almond]

Posted by: cheri | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 02:31 AM

What in the hell are you so fired up about? Scared the civil case might move forward, and this young Aruba girl might come to the United States and testify against Joran. She may prove to be one gutsy lady to stand up to Joran and his gang of friends in Aruba threatening her. You know you people want to know so much about the Mountain Brook students, but what about Joran and his harassing friends, and what is their involvement is in this case and why are they threatening this young girl. It seems the police in Aruba are incapable of protecting their witnesses; especially the ones have information against Joran.

Julie R has proven to be very bias toward Natalee, her family, and the Mountain Brook students, so I would not take her word on anything. She waits until now to bring out the tape that existed since June 1 after Dave’s book comes out and he is doing a book tour that is no coincident. I believe the tape shows a girl similar to Natalee, but it is not Natalee. There is nothing better she would like than frame one of the Mountain Brook students. Send the tape to the FBI and let them enhance it, so people will see that it is not Natalee Holloway, but another person. Beth knows what her daughter looks like, and she says it is not Natalee. Greta must be getting desperate for ratings.

Why would anybody want to go to Aruba since women are being assaulted left and right according to Joran American lawyer and Greta? He has even accused the Aruba police of a cover up for not checking out the rapist and nudists on the beach. Don’t blame Beth and Dave they are not doing this to Aruba….Joran, his American lawyer, and pal “incline to believe” Greta are. If the Aruban police have evidence that Joran did not take Natalee to beach, they better come out with it to save the tourism.

[TJ]

From refugees:

Questions regarding Holiday Inn Security Tape

I heard Julia Renfro describe the videotape of approximately 3:15 a.m. March 30. She did a great job explaining it. As she describes it, the person on the tape has same facial structure, similar walk, similar hair, and exact same clothes as Natalee. I have a few questions, and would appreciate some thoughts.

1. If the police have had this since June 1, why were J2K suspects?

2. Did the ALE get this tape optically enhanced through image enhancing, or FBI or Dutch specialists?

3. Did the police believe Beth over their own eyes?

4. Why did Beth believe, or say, it was definitely not Natalee?

5. Why, if Dave believed it might be Natalee, did he not pursue this more vigorously, and why does he continue to believe J2K are main suspects?

What do think, j80?

[TJ]

From: Hyscience

Subject: Liar, liar, pants on fire.
The word out of MB was that Natalee worked a long, long time at that sheltered workshop market to earn the money for the Aruba trip.

Then we read, in dave's book, that he gave Natalee a cheque for $500.

Now we read, in another excerpt, that Dave Holloway was asked to pony up the whole $985!

Can't the two of them get anything straight?
http://crime.about.com/b/a/256872.htm//

Natalee's Father Writes Book About Ordeal

Dave Holloway, father of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has written a book "Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise," in which he describes the frustration the family has faced while dealing with Aruban authorities in the search for their daughter.
Dave Holloway is scheduled to appear on ABC's Good Morning American to discuss the release of this book on Monday, April 17. The television show's web site features an excerpt from the book called "Eveybody's Child" in which Natalee's father describes the events leading up to the high school graduate's trip to Aruba and the family's first days searching for the 17-year-old.
In the excerpt, Holloway said he and his wife Robin did not approve of the senior trip to Aruba -- when they were asked to pay the $985 cost for it as a graduation present -- because "it was too extravagant, and we did not think it was appropriate."
But because her stepbrother Matt had made the same trip two years earlier "and her twin cousins were graduating with her class and were going along with her this year, Beth (Natalee's mother) felt comfortable allowing Natalee to make the trip."
# Posted by dayo gould at 04/10/2006 08:42 pm - reply- forum

Dear dayo gould:

As I heard the story, the cost of the trip to Aruba was somewhere in the vacinity of $2500.00. Natalee allegedly worked in the Market for autistic people in order to save enough money in order to pay for her trip. At no time was there any mention of anyone ponying up to assist her; although, it would not have come as a shock if the parents had provided part of the funds.

From what you are quoting, it appears that Dave paid for most of the trip: $500 + $985 = $1485.00. Maybe Natalee from her earnings paid the other $1015.00, and Beth & Jug paid nothing.

We might be witness to yet another Beth tactic!

With Aloha,
# Posted by harry at 04/10/2006 09:23 pm - reply- forum

[Almond]

TJ do you have any thoughts of your own to post. Are do you let other people think for you? You know people can go to these sites (Refugees, Hyscience, and Dayo Gould) and read. Why are you posting that here and taking up space? Hyscience is a good blog to read as long as he is not talking about the Holloway case.

[coconuttree]

There's trouble in paradise. Because the Dutch missing person TV show "opsporing verzocht" used a black person in de reenacment as Joran van der Sloot instead of a white actor. I saw the show and at that time I also found it strange, because whenever a black person is involved in a crime they use black actors. Are they trying to shift the blame?

[kate]

dave saw a trip brochure for an "estimated" cost of $985. on graduation day he gave nat $500. hello, they had to pay for the trip in advance regardless of the cost. harry needs to get out more. now, why are one or more of the three boys still to this day lying about how joran got home? interesting that the fishermen never saw them on the beach.

[kate]

Why would anybody want to go to Aruba since women are being assaulted left and right according to Joran American lawyer and Greta? He has even accused the Aruba police of a cover up for not checking out the rapist and nudists on the beach. Don’t blame Beth and Dave they are not doing this to Aruba….Joran, his American lawyer, and pal “incline to believe” Greta are. If the Aruban police have evidence that Joran did not take Natalee to beach, they better come out with it to save the tourism.

Posted by: Almond | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 04:59 AM

no kidding. beth only accused the boys, joe t has a villian behind every bush.

[coconuttree]

http://www.opsporingverzocht.nl/zaken/20060411/aruba_the_dissapearance_of_natalee_holloway.asp

The english link to the Dutch missing person program "Opsporing verzocht.

[TJ]

From refugees "stunning new facts":

Lazlo Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:49 pm
Stunning new "facts".

Tonight some things were mentioned, that (imo) were unknown before, and do raise questions.

On "Opsporing Verzocht" they made it clear that the first part of the reconstruction was based upon FACTS, everything shown therefor had to be considered factual.

The actress playing Natalee wore the exact same clothes (same green haltertop etc.), the same HI room, even Deepak's car was in it.

But in that factual part the actress playing Natalee had a medium size BLUE SUITCASE with her, upon arrival, and in the HI/room she was shown with it.
It was the kind that has wheels, I wonder, where is that suitcase?

On Greta the room was shown with Natalee's belongings "just the way she left it"; there is a canvas bag shown and a smaller orange bag, but no suitcase.
When Greta asked Beth if Natalee had ever unpacked, and maybe "sort of lived out of her suitcase" Beth answered:"I have no idea Greta".

Picture of Natalee's luggage:

It was mentioned also various times that Natalee was wearing sandals, no slippers (flipflops), Joran had mentioned that also, so I assume that is correct (it was mentioned in the factual part), so what was all that talk about the missing flipflops about?
The flipflops Natalee was wearing on the beach-picture were imo about 2 seizes to big btw.

One thing that I found stunning (although that was part of statements of witnesses), the 4 (Deepak, Satish, Joran and Natalee) while driving in Deepak's car were harrased, follwed in a disturbing way by a white car (jeep?).
(could one of the MB's who did not agree with Natalee taking of with J2K have followed them, Bryan Reynolds and his HI friend for example, or others who had a rental?)

On the program they asked viewers if they had any info about that white car (amongst other things)

Another thing (from the factual part) Natalee did not went to the Soul Beach Festival, after they had been in the casino they went eating and right after that they took a cab to C&C.

What was also very odd, they asked people who had seen anything to call, but mentioned over and over again; they were just looking for info that took place between May 29 and June 9.

(why specifcily that June 9 date? Would info from June 10 not be interesting, what's up with that?)

YOP.

[df]

Beth never stated Natalee NEVER drank. I heard her state last night that she knew they were partying but that she must have been under the influence of a drug for the out of character behavior she exhibited such as getting in a basic stranger's car. Some people here just hear what they want to hear.

Dave shot down this new flasher or whatever. He said it was "old news" on Larry King. He stated the FBI interviewed the woman who described this guy.

Natalee is NOT on the video. Her classmates would have seen her pass through that hotel at some point. The police also had access to these videos. It's just another way of those idiots down in Aruba to try and shift the attention away from them and put it on the VICTIM. It shows really what type of people live there. I would go even so far to say that this new video may be manufactured by Aruba. If not, then Renfro the bitch should be held on obstruction charges if those exist in the third world country of Aruba.

I think it's funny that people in here are questioning the lawyering of JQK when there is nobody on this board that is a better lawyer than him. If there were they wouldn't be spending their time here. There's no doubt there are other girls who have been through this with Joran and there's no doubt intimidation tactics have been used on these people as well as the suspects themselves.

Who cares who paid for the trip? $500 was probably his graduation gift to her. Some of your people are so grasping for anything. Dave's book tells the REAL STORY and Aruba knows it.

Aruba's a joke and they are looking more and more like clowns by the minute and their tourism numbers show it. LOSERS! They sold their souls to the devil and now they are paying for their sins!

[TJ]

From refugees: Beth is a borderline personality....

wrote:
So do you think that the B. thought this up all by herself?

I've always felt that Beth is very "resourceful" - not unlike Lady Macbeth.

If Beth wants something badly enough, she will find a way to get it. I think she's Borderline and has no conscience. The world revolves around Beth. She's right, and the rest of the world is wrong. Her reality is the only thing that matters. Beth gets people into place on her gameboard and moves them around to suit her purpose; her ducks are always in a row. Beth is a cold, calculating liar who could easily pass a polygraph - most Borderlines can because their lies are their reality. Lastly, Beth has more than likely been enabled her entire life. She is accustomed to having her own way about everything. It's possible that Natalee is the first person ever who challenged Beth when she told her mother that she would not be coming home from Aruba - and Beth's Borderline psyche can't handle it. jmho

[hardyandtiny]

As I heard the story, the cost of the trip to Aruba was somewhere in the vacinity of $2500.00.
Posted by: TJ | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 05:10 AM
I would guess about 1000 per person for that trip.

[david_1017]

The truth of what happened in this case is going to rise up and stun many of you BHT kool-aiders.
Of course your State of Denial will allow you to reject the truth when it surfaces. I am neither pro JVS, nor pro BHT. I am pro-truth. Show me evidence and facts. To both polarized sides, I say, wipe the blackboard clean, and listen only to real facts/evidence in forming your opinion. If you do that, at this point, your only reasonable conclusion is that.......
what happened is still a mystery. I guess thats why this story remains so compelling to the masses. It truly is still a mystery.

[Skye]

The video Julia reported seeing that SHE said is Natalee returning to the HI at 3:15am is BS. Coming from Julia this needs further proof. Julia is the one that told the family last summer when they were searching that Natalee's body had been found and had the family rush out to meet her just to find no press conference or anything else and there was Julia and nobody else. She lied.

The girl that played Natalee in the re-enactment film was wearing the exact outfit that Natalee was wearing. I would not put it past Aruba to film that girl at the HI and claim that it is Natalee. It is too late for Julia to bring BS like that forward now and make a claim like that based on the same outfit being seen. I think all that is Julia's tale.

Dave gave Natalee $500 as a graduation gift to do with as she wanted. All teenagers ask their parents to pay for things. He did not give her the check until graduation and she left the next day for Aruba. Her trip was already paid for. Perhaps she took her fathers check as spending money.

[boywonder]

Why are they sitting on the bombshell video of Paulus walking up to Natlee and sitting down next to her and engaging her in converstion? Whats Aruba afraid of? Hey Dan did Paulus let you know He met Natlee at the casino when he bullied you into taking young Jorans pics down from your site?

[Fab]

@ coconuttree

Maybe the contrast or color settings or whatever of your TV where screwed up.
I know the guy in the reenactment personally and I can assure you he is white w blond hair.
If you are calling everybody with a deep tan black i'm sorry to inform you that we do not live in a strictly BLACK & WHITE world.

[wreck]

I only saw part of the re-enactment on Greta. I was impressed with the "Alabaman" accent of the "MB" kid telling Nat to "get out the car -- you crazy girl."

[xxx]

1. How is Julia Renfro more qualified to determine the tape is Natalee than Beth, Dave, Aruban police or the FBI? Why should anyone believe her, especially when she doesn't produce the tape in question for viewing?

2. Beth NEVER said Natalee did not drink in Aruba, she said Natalee had NO HISTORY of drinking or drug use. There is a huge difference especially since her daughter has been painted as some kind of alcoholic.

3. The guy who played Joran was not white. It begs the question why they bothered to have the actress resemble Natalee but not find anyone who resembled Joran especially since they are asking for any witnesses who might have seen him walking barefoot home from the beach, where they seem to say he never was.

4. Please stop posting Refugee rants over here, why don't you just go post over there instead of here? It is one thing to post informative information, articles, etc. that first appeared on other sites, it is quite another to repost pure opinions.

[dt]

david - you claim it's truly a mystery yet you state in the same pathetic breath that all of BHT kool aid drinkers will be stunned when the truth is unveiled? Sounds like a pathetic contradiction of statements to me!?!

You seem to know so much about the truth that you state it will stun us or we will go into a state of denial. Care to share with us Sherlock what you seem to know, but really don't? Are you stating that the Holloways and Twittys collaborated to come up with a scheme to make millions off people around the world and that Natalee's disappearance is a hoax created by her obviously outward greiving family? You're a pathetic piece of garbage if this is your line of thinking.....maybe you should go write for Bon Dia and all their sun bleached brains.

It is OBVIOUS what really happened but with the police and government cover-up (10 days to arrest and search last people seen with the victim), police and government intimiditation and corruption, the case will never be solved. It's people like you that need to OPEN their frikkin eyes and see what's really going on......any thoughts that the Holloways or Twittys are behind the death of their daughther is ludicrous and pratically insane.

[wreck]

Please stop posting Refugee rants over here, why don't you just go post over there instead of here? It is one thing to post informative information, articles, etc. that first appeared on other sites, it is quite another to repost pure opinions.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 10:39 AM
AMEN!

[TJ]

HOOTIE'S LAST PHOTO:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=683&start=75

xxx, this one is for you. Why these refugees postings? Because you guys are so fucking boring and prejudiced...

[xxx]

TJ,

Here's a message to you and the Refugees. I dare you to post it over there.

You people need to take a good look in the mirror because you have become what you claim to despise: a witch hunting lynch mob that is willing to twist any piece of information to fit your theory.

You used to say that normal girls had sex at 18 and it was no big deal, then I have to wonder about the mountain of posts relating to the Mountain Brook girl's alleged sexual activities. How many posts mention Frances Ellen Byrd giving blow jobs? How many posts make crude jokes about gang bangs, rug burn, saddle sores and oral sex? Why is Frances a slut? Where is the evidence that any of these girls was promiscious? Your unhealthy pre-occupation with the sex lives of these young women shows that everything you've previously said about sex being expected is a lie. You have turned your allegations and assumptions about the sex these girls were having into a reason to degrade, castigate and revile them...if there was ever a shining example of why Beth Twitty might have wanted to establish that Natalee was a nice girl not prone to shack up with a stranger it is the dozens and dozens of posts making fun of these girls and talking about their alleged sexual activities. Where is the evidence? I thought you were dedicated to the principle of innocent until proven guilty? But you have pronounced these girls as "guilty" of being sluts and gang banging whores based on some pictures of a couple of parties? This is the definition of a witch hunt, smearing the target by innuendo when you don't have any facts. And even if they are promiscuous what does that have to do with what happened to Natalee Holloway?

I also note you still haven't given up on the insane idea that this is all to protect Natalee from a rape charge, due to the few months difference in their ages. Intelligent people who know anything about the law know how absurd this idea is, so I won't bother to explain how stupid the concept is, but only raise it to show the depths the Refuges are willing to go to slander Natalee.

You've built an entire architecture of conspiracy on one single ambiguous sentence uttered by Frances Byrd about seeing Natalee 'that night' and have turned it into an admission that she knows for a fact Natalee was back at the hotel alive and helped her run away. Talk about a house of cards. You invented the motive for Natalee to run away based on your dislike of Beth and Jug and another single sentence about 'coaching' while you choose to ignore every other person who has ever commented about Natalee that she was a happy, popular young woman who was very close to her mother. But that doesn't fit your view, so you discard it and replace it instead with the preposterous notion that EVERYONE in Mountain Brook: Frances, Ruth, the rest of the students, the Twitty cousins, Marcia, Beth is involved in a monstrous conspiracy to hide the truth. Of course the huge fallacy of the assumption is that if they wanted to hide the truth they wouldn't be going on TV night after night demanding answers, demanding new investigators and bringing lawsuits. You also appear to believe Beth is making millions off the Natalee donations, again without any evidence other that stupid calculations based on TV viewership.

The things said about Beth Twitty, that she's trailer trash, a tramp, and that Natalee was a tramp 'just like her mother' that she's had a nose job, is an alcoholic, and a 'human yeast infection' speak for themselves.

[david_1017]

dt:
You are the pathetic one pal. I do not know what happened, but I venture a guesstimate that what actually happened will NOT please the BHT gang, and will not fit into their world at all.
There was drug use; drug purchases; lewd behavior; excessive alcohol consumption; in short a recipe for disaster. All voluntary. I dont think BHT or whoever is hiding NH to cash in on this and have never ever alluded to that. What I do think is that this group of teens did things in Aruba that they and their parents and the MB community DO NOT want made public, so as to tarnish the image portrayed by BHT. I do not think NH is alive, and hasnt been since May 30. Accidental overdose on alcohol/drugs would be my first guess, with the body being disposed of by whoever was in her company when it happened, out of fear; Second guess is sexual encounter gone bad. I think its 50/50 whether the participants in either case were J2K. How's that for hedging my bets. My remark about the Kool-Aide was directed toward the fact that they will not like or accept, ever, the truth about what these kids did while on the island, all voluntarily. JMHO

[windy city]

TJ,

Such language is not appropriate. It shows you are frustrated, as we all are. But, blaming the victim and her family shows prejudice and lack of anylitical thinking. If everyone on Aruba could agree on what happened to Nat it would make their version of events more believable. But they don't. Everything still tilts back to J2K. Everything else is spin and deflect. If that was really her in that video, there is no way any of the involved would have sat in jail for even 1 day.

p.s. What fun is it to blog at refugees when everyone has the same wharped opinions. You would think all of their arms would be tired from patting each other on the back.

[COLUMBO]

"Accidental overdose on alcohol/drugs would be my first guess"

that got Dompig far