Natalee Holloway Update

Unclear of the source for this below. However, as I posted before, there was an altercation at C and C the night Natalee disappeared. But I was told by someone there that the Kalpoes were involved and it was over a spilled drink, nothing to do with Natalee Holloway. I was also told of an altercation the previous night when a tall Dutch kid, not Joran, approached Natalee and groped her while she was dancing. That would fit with part of this report below.

My info did come from individuals present at C and C both nights.

GVC was bothering Natalee on Friday night at Carlos N Charlies. She was dancing with another classmate and this guy (GVC) came up behind her and started humping and grinding on her back and groping her body. She turned around and yelled at him to leave her alone so he left.

Comments

[jack]

C&C's is a favorite watering hole for all the suspects, hence you can bet your rocket, Mr Science, they know eachother by name.

Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:54 PM

Miss Ingenuity ,
You have a great sense of humor. LOL . CnC I believe is a favorite watering hole for THOUSANDS of Aruban youngsters . And they know all of them by name . Yeah right .

Dont forget to check your pile of laundry . seems like you left your brains in there.

[jack]

Don't give up hope, Jack. There have been denials about many acquaintances/friends. We're still waiting for school photos, soccer photos, tourist photos. The phrase "I don't know him" doesn't mean anything, anymore.

Posted by: Slogger | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:57 PM

Keep waiting . You have missed the last train to Fantasy Land.

[Pearly]

OK Jackie, have it your way.

I have never been to C&C's, so I will believe you and leave thinking the place is HUGE, like a warehouse, or something. Or no, an airport hangar! Hell, it must be the size of a football stadium that nobody would ever run into the same person once or twice or twenty times.

C&C's is probably best known for the echo, probably dubbed the "Grand Canyon of Bars!", huh? Bet they have an awesome karoake night.

no, i'm doing laundry as we speak, and no, my brain's not anywhere in that heap. I even checked the pockets;)

[Pearly]

funny Jack, that you should know the train schedule to Fantasy Land, lol.

[jack]

no, i'm doing laundry as we speak, and no, my brain's not anywhere in that heap. I even checked the pockets;)

Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 05:13 PM

The Grand Canyon of Bars !!!. ROFLMAO . You sure are funny as hell Pearly Girly .

[jack]

no, i'm doing laundry as we speak, and no, my brain's not anywhere in that heap. I even checked the pockets;)

Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 05:13 PM

The Grand Canyon of Bars !!!. ROFLMAO . You sure are funny as hell Pearly Girly .

[Slogger]

Keep waiting . You have missed the last train to Fantasy Land.

Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 05:07 PM

- - -

Reasonable people might wonder why you have memorized the schedule.

[jack]

funny Jack, that you should know the train schedule to Fantasy Land, lol.

Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 05:16 PM

I own the Fantasy Land Railway and profit out of the fool who are willing to pay for the ride. LOL

[Pearly]

if figures Jack, it figures.

[GSPatton]

Shonane,

It is a "special" site. If you hate Beth & all that is MTB it is surely heaven. Case discussion? Give me a break. Nothing but spin. "Anybody but Joran" is the theme. I believe in keeping an open mind. However, the hate displayed by the likes of pathenry, gagal, & bigfish is pathetic. Bunch of people with "no" lives but to post about Beth's hairstyle or lack thereof. Next time you are there, tell "maria" to stop talking to herself. LOL

[Slogger]

The original post contained additional information that GVC left....and then came back with a friend to conduct the same activity AGAIN.

Then, there was a scuffle.

The friend is purported to be AB.

There has been mention of Natalee punched in the stomach (that was the first one I heard--months ago) and slapped in the face (the most recent one I heard.)

[Arubaanse]

Hi everybody!

There has been mention of Natalee punched in the stomach (that was the first one I heard--months ago) and slapped in the face (the most recent one I heard.)

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That is something I don't believe! sorry...that sounds made up to me.

[Arubaanse]

Arubaanse,

I agree with you that they probably have the wrong A.B. - I was just letting you know where they had it posted. Everyone was saying that it was someone in the early 20's. The posting did not match...

I don't believe you personally "know" everyone, but it is small enough in the age group that we are talking about to know OF everyone, especially if they are in the same crowds out partying and having a good time. Which I belive ALL of the suspects were part of (JVS, K2, GVC, Steve Croes). Little hard for me to believe these guys didn't cross paths and know of one another :-)

It is amazing that Deepak comes up with Steve Croes as an ALIBI witness and he has pictures all over the place partying with GVC. Steve doesn't "KNOW" Deepak, but he is willing to come forward with a false alibi.

Keep digging Aruba, the truth is in plain site!

TIPS

Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:51 AM

Hi Truthinplainsite,

I understand what you are trying to tell me. I think is grazy that Steve was willing to come forward with a false alibi but he doesn't know Deepak...Yeah right! About GVC...I don't know if they know eachother...maybe they do but I have to wait and see before I start saying nonsense.

[shonane]

Next time you are there, tell "maria" to stop talking to herself. LOL

Posted by: GSPatton |
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I rarely go to this chat site but sometimes do read the discussion. Some of those people have followed this case closely since last June so have kept up with details that many of the bloggers posting here don't seem to be aware of. I mainly check at RWV website periodically to see if Dan has any blog entries on the main site - am more interested in what Dan has discovered than the chit chat.

[Arubaanse]

Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 06:18 PM

I still remember them from last year:) It was fun back then. So if you go there tell them that Arubaanse send them a big kiss and lots of hugs!

[jon]

Arubaanse did you get my e-mail?

[Arubaanse]

I haven't read my mails yet.

[Arubaanse]

I am going to check them out!

[shonane]

I understand what you are trying to tell me. I think is grazy that Steve was willing to come forward with a false alibi but he doesn't know Deepak...Yeah right! About GVC...I don't know if they know eachother...maybe they do but I have to wait and see before I start saying nonsense.

Posted by: Arubaanse
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It was said that Steve C and Deepak knew each other from Steve going to the Internet Café where Deepak worked. They did know each other, but it was my impression that they were not close friends. I don't think Steve knew Joran or Satish, who were much younger than Steve and would not have hung out in the same social circles, nor are Joran and Satish in any of the group pictures that have surfaced re same.

I agree, that Steve C coming forward to say that he saw them drop off Natalee at HI was one of the strangest mysteries in this case.

Re read the transcript of the discussion of the J2Ks in the back seat of the police car, the one where they did not know they were being recorded. It is clear that none of the J2Ks knew what happend to Natalee and this tape apparently was one of the pieces of evidence that the judge reviewed when deciding to release them.

In the tape, there was a comment made by Joran that made me wonder if Deepak actually paid Steve C to do to provide a witness. Steve C claimed that he did this because he overheard (while at the Internet café) Deepak tell someone over the phone that they dropped her off and that he did this to help him out.

Now there seem to be some social connections (pictures) between Steve C (SC), Michael Dompig (MD), and GVC (GVC) - all closer to the same age group. I don't think any of the older guys were connected in any way to either Joran or Satish who were still in high school and much younger. I have wondered if these three - SC, MD,GVC, have some involvement in Natalee's disappearance and if there was some motive tied to this for Steve C to go to the police to confirm that Natalee was dropped off at time stated at HI as stated by Deepak.

[truthbetold]

Posted by: Rolls | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:49 PM

exactly my point :) but you can' treason with beth's lynch mob on here it makes then come unglued

[Lone War Eagle]

Dan,

Some of us appreciate your posts and good work!! Keep up the good work here, as some of us have been with you from the "beginning."

All:

You all need to go back and read the posts on SM from last Friday. They have it right there and there were some good ones posted calling for increasing Boycotts of the sleezy little island "One Unhappy Little Place"

Point is, this is one giant cover-up from the start; you people on Awuba (Joran pronunciation of it;-) will not stand up to the creeps. It should be boycotted and nobody should vacation there. All the cruiselines are removing this stop from their itineraries.

They killed this girl from Alabama and then hid the body/covered it up and this will never be solved. Therefore, all Americans and people worldwide should hit them in their little tourist pocketbook and not go there or give them any business.

This will "dry up" the "One unhappy little island."

Keep talking and posting--you will never solve this--no one will!

Lone War Eagle

[Lone War Eagle]

I am vacationing in the good old USA this summer.

Did you hear about the effect of global warming? It seems that the warmer it gets, the further SOUTH the major hurricane belt gets. :-O

Lone War Eagle

[Arubaanse]

Good for you Lone war Eagle!

[Arubaanse]

I have wondered if these three - SC, MD,GVC, have some involvement in Natalee's disappearance and if there was some motive tied to this for Steve C to go to the police to confirm that Natalee was dropped off at time stated at HI as stated by Deepak.

Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006

The only thing I can say is that everything is possible...that wouldn't suprise me at all

[Arubaanse]

you people on Awuba (Joran pronunciation of it;-) will not stand up to the creeps.

Posted by: Lone War Eagle | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 07:16 PM

Normally I call people like you all kinds of names but I am just going to leave this behind as if I never read your comment but thanks for posting anyway!

[FloridaPatty]

Lone War Eagle, a link is always appreciated.

Yes, Dan, thank you again for this forum.

[shonane]

I think the call for an Aruba boycott is ridiculous, contray to US policy, and additionally downright SICK! The Scared Monkeys site is one of the most biased and unbalanced around re this case.

Whether there was a coverup or not is still unclear. Even if there was, it may have only been one or two people involved, not the entire police dept or involving most people on this island. - the real facts of this situation have still not been revealed.

As I read it, only one cruise line has dropped Aruba in it's route to pick up some other areas of interest. They said nothing about it being related in any way to the call for a boycott.

From what I have read, Aruba is much safer than most major cities in the US, including Birmingham, Alabama. There have been cover ups that have been found out in many US police department's also, and when the truth came out, the parties involved in the corruption were prosecuted. Think LA, California, & NY,NY, & Miami and Ft Lauderdale, Fl. - the list goes on. The call for an Aruba boycott is out of line. Meanwhile China is entertaining major negotiations with Aruba. Do you want that?

Aruba is a critical partner, and a true friend and ally to the US. Same for the Netherlands who continues to support the US lead as a partner in the war on terror by sending troups to Afghanistan. These people in their little worlds calling for boycotts need to remember this.

Tremendous tensions exist right now between the US and Venezuela that is either 1st or 2nd (depends on quarter) biggest exporter of Oil to US. (look it up - US oil imports by country and see what it say re Venezuela.) I'm not up for writing more re this as whole blog discussion are underway re the Venezuela issue and international oil issue. The point is that a boycott of Aruba is not in the best interest of relations with the US nor is it justified.

[Skyboxx]

IF ALE would offer limited immunity for the next 24 hours.

Condition: Only one person. First person that gets in and rolls over on the rest gets limited immunity. Lets put this behind us

[Ruddy]

Boycott Aruba is happening. Americans want this case solved and if aruba wants to side with Hugo so be it.

[jeannette malatesta]

He was harassing her and yet she voluntarily leaves with him afterward?? Nope, not gonna buy that one. I don't think he ever did anything rude or abusive to her, EVER.

[Jeannette Malatesta]

Boycott Aruba is happening. Americans want this case solved and if aruba wants to side with Hugo so be it.

Posted by: Ruddy | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 07:56 PM

Boycott? Nope, not gonna do that either.

[shonane]

Boycott Aruba is happening. Americans want this case solved and if aruba wants to side with Hugo so be it.

Posted by: Ruddy
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US official policy is that there is NO SUPPORT from our administration for a boycott of Aruba. Your Congress and the President have that authority - not governors or lay people.

Aruba is not siding with Chavez and the fact that I had to tell you that makes it clear that you are really uninformed. However, Aruba could be be in danger from his administration. And if the US ever needs to support the Netherlands in Aruba's defense, or if the US enters into direct conflict with Chavez and Chavez keeps claiming that this will occur , then strategic ally relationship with Aruba are critical. You may want to spend some time researching what is happening right now in this regard.

[shonane]

He was harassing her and yet she voluntarily leaves with him afterward?? Nope, not gonna buy that one. I don't think he ever did anything rude or abusive to her, EVER.

Posted by: jeannette malatesta
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GVC, the guy just released, harassed Natalee on dance floor at C&Cs on Friday night. Sunday night was when Natalee left C&C with Joran. Some speculate that GVC was also at C&Cs on Sunday night and that a hookup with GVC happened with Natalee after Joran left her. There are claims that there were videos of GVC and Natalee in the Casino at HI around 3:00 am. Further, the homeless guy, Boeti, saw someone in a security guard uniform leave Natalee's room after 3:00 and GVC had access to the security uniforms of his father's company, so there is guessing that this may have been him (if Boeti's sighting is true.)

[shonane]

IF ALE would offer limited immunity for the next 24 hours.

Condition: Only one person. First person that gets in and rolls over on the rest gets limited immunity. Lets put this behind us

Posted by: Skyboxx
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There is some speculation on other blogs that GVC already rolled, and that this is why he was released so quickly. Further, that information he provided does not point to homicide.

[punkingale]

Jack, briefly, there was a picture of Joran & GvC on the internet. It was a close up shot and there was NO mistaking the two of them. The person that posted it probably sold it to the National Enquirer by now. He told Dan to save it. Those two definitely know each other.

[weet]

Posted by: punkingale | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 08:37 PM

the party pic? that wasn't gvc.

[yarrow]

so much talk about nothing.... has anyone even considered any of her classmates a suspect ??? ...after all a lot of room switching was going on....was Natalee a good swimmer ??? how come no one has mentioned the undertow current after wading out a certain distance from shore ?? ...Natalee never called her mother once for the entire time on the trip ??? I wonder why ?? maybe they are not as close as Beth would like you to believe ...any truth in the rumor , she had ran away previously ???
...a lot more factors and leads not being investigated..

[TuxedoJunction]

Freudian slip?

exactly my point :) but you can' treason with beth's lynch mob on here it makes then come unglued
Posted by: truthbetold | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 07:09 PM

TooT TooT

[shonane]

Jack, briefly, there was a picture of Joran & GvC on the internet. It was a close up shot and there was NO mistaking the two of them. The person that posted it probably sold it to the National Enquirer by now. He told Dan to save it. Those two definitely know each other.

Posted by: punkingale
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I saw that picture and a lot of others looked at it also. It WAS NOT GVC. Lots of pictures of GVC were posted on the Refugees blog site and this one was posted and looked at carefully also. Not him.

[punkingale]

Weet. no Not the party picture. This was DEFINITELY Joran van der Sloot & Geoffrey van Cromvoirt TOGETHER. It was just their head shots. There was No mistaking who each one was. Geeeez. I wish Dan or "curious" would post the f***er AGAIN. I can't possibly have been the only person to see it!!!!

[punkingale]

Shonane: The picture I saw of JvS & GvC was posted on photobucket. You obviously missed that one. Geoffrey's parents issued a statement that he was NOT working security the night Natalee disappeared and he did not have access to the shirts. I wouldn't believe anything the drug addict, Boeti, said. Also Dompig's brother-in-law.

[FloridaPatty]

I would not believe anything that comes off this island.

Are we really suppose to believe that DUTCH nationalists on a foreign island of such a small size, don't know eachother? Let's reduce the probabiity even more that they do know eachother, close to the same age or are the same age. Have friends who know eachother. Hottest club in town, Carlos & Charlies, they both hangout there, yet Joran says he doesn't know him...or was it he never met him which loosely could mean they have never been formally introduced.

*fuzzy numbers* that's what we're looking at with Joran's statements. You have to take what he says LITERALLY.

Were you drinking then?

J: No, I was not drinking then. (nevermind he had shots and booze 15 minutes earlier)

[FloridaPatty]

There are several reasons there is a boycott:

The first is Natalee Holloway (and what happened to her which was followed by a corrupt government that cannot secure a shallow level of security for our American daughters)

Joran Van der sloot is the second reason.

Paulus Ven der sloot is the third reason.* I don't care how high up you are, no person in the U.S. would negotiate with police detectives at their house to drive their own car to jail.

The brothers Kalpoe.

Dennis "how-much-money-you-got" Jacobs.

Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig and his son Michael.

Van der Straaten (who made sure enough time passed)

That is the incomplete list. So if things aren't quite as lucrative, if the drinks aren't flowing quite as lavishly, if the airports aren't as busy, think about our American daughters because we certainly are.

[FloridaPatty]

Come to Florida where the beaches are safe, the sand is warm, the water soaks away all your stress.
http://www.floridatravelusa.com/

[shonane]

Yes, I would believe that GVC and Joran do not know each other. GVC is a high school dropout who has not lived on the island many years. He did not go to Joran's school as most of the Dutch on the island do. He is into a different scene overall than Joran, and was picked up suspected as dealing drugs, a scene that Joran reportedly is not into. Much of Joran's time was taken up with school and sports, and his new venture with the free poker tournaments (tournaments were no money is used.)

GVC is not part of the same scene, with the exception of both going to C&Cs some. C&Cs is not a regular club like in our cities - it is full of every changing tourists so it would be easy to not know all who were there from Aruba.

If you look at all the pictures that we have seen of Joran over the past year, his tickle site, etc.. , most of these kids appear to be his age and a little group that he hangs out with, primarily from his school. GVC is two years older than Joran. Joran had only known Deepak, who is several years older, for a few months and was introduced by a friend he said. I think the main reason for their friendship is Joran seemed to be using him for a ride.

There was a picture that the Refugee group looked at on photobuckets. It did not look like GVC unless he had been a whole lot younger and had grown, and it did not look like him when compared with recent pictures. There was also some discussion about how someone most likely would try and photoshop in pictures of these folks together.

There was a picture with GVC, Michael Dompig and Steve C. and some wondered if it was photoshopped; someone who had a lot of experience with photoshop blew it up and studied it and decided that it was an original.

[shonane]

Paulus Ven der sloot is the third reason.* I don't care how high up you are, no person in the U.S. would negotiate with police detectives at their house to drive their own car to jail.

florida patty
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None of these people would have been arrested if in the US as formal charges were never brought against them. They still today have not been charged because there is not sufficient evidence of a crime having occurred or their having committed one. They were in a suspicion/questioning category. Thus, if in the US they could have driven to the police station in their own car to be questioned or the police would have come to them to question, and they never would have been locked up. Given this status, why would Paulus not have been allowed to drive his car to the station and report for questioning? No different than would have occurred in US.

The logic is off here.

[jack]

Come to Florida where the beaches are safe, the sand is warm, the water soaks away all your stress.
http://www.floridatravelusa.com/

Posted by: FloridaPatty | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:16 PM

...... and an unidentified killer lurks around on Daytona Bay

[windy city]

The logic is off here.

Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:33 PM

In the US the suspects would have been paid a visit by detectives and possibly asked to come down for questioning. If they refuse this request they place immediate suspicion on themselves.

At this point detectives would obtain warrants from the judge. And in no way would the suspects dictate the level of the warrant( you can search here but not there) as we know was the case of the VDS residence.

I think they were given much better treatment than the initial suspects that were arrested.

[jack]

Florida Patty ,
If you are concerned about the safety of your daughters , dont send them to Miami Beach. It has a population comparable to that of Aruba and 72 rapes in one year ! Thats alarming isnt it .

Miami Beach Crime Report

General Information: Violent vs. Property Crime Rate:
State: FL Violent Crime Property Crime
City Population: 91,215
Murder: 6
Forcible Rape: 72

[shonane]

*fuzzy numbers* that's what we're looking at with Joran's statements. You have to take what he says LITERALLY.

Were you drinking then?

J: No, I was not drinking then. (nevermind he had shots and booze 15 minutes earlier)

Posted by: FloridaPatty
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I heard this interview. The boy was not trying to deceive anyone. He said he wasn't drinking then - at the bar - but said he did have a drink earlier in the casino. That is pretty clear I think. How can anyone possibly try to make that out to be anything other that being accurate in his statement?