Unclear of the source for this below. However, as I posted before, there was an altercation at C and C the night Natalee disappeared. But I was told by someone there that the Kalpoes were involved and it was over a spilled drink, nothing to do with Natalee Holloway. I was also told of an altercation the previous night when a tall Dutch kid, not Joran, approached Natalee and groped her while she was dancing. That would fit with part of this report below.
My info did come from individuals present at C and C both nights.
GVC was bothering Natalee on Friday night at Carlos N Charlies. She was dancing with another classmate and this guy (GVC) came up behind her and started humping and grinding on her back and groping her body. She turned around and yelled at him to leave her alone so he left.
Thanks Dan. I too wonder who the original source was for that post. This had been rumored, but I have yet to hear a "credible" source for this. Shouldn't that show up on tapes at C&C's?
Posted by: anniekwa | Saturday, April 29, 2006 at 11:15 PM
Your sources have sucked lately. When have you been right?
Posted by: Ruddy | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:01 AM
Maybe Taco Joe ought to consider the dots...as someone said before, everyone knows everyone on this island...
Still can't believe nobody wants to admit that ALL of these guys knew each other...
J2K obviously were together (Best Friends after 3-4 months), Kalpoes tied to Croes, Croes tied to GVC, however, Joran doesn't know GVC...hmmm?
A.B. looked a lot older if it was his picture...Arubanese it was at the same site for this post.
TIPS
Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 01:26 AM
Your sources have sucked lately. When have you been right?
LOL Must have hit a nerve. The fact is I have been more right than most and certainly moreso than cable news.
The other fact is most everyones sources suck right now because all that is coming out is mostly BS. And that's why you have seen me post so little on the topic. But that's okay, there are always asshats like you around to simply make chit up.
Posted by: Dan | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 06:36 AM
Maybe Taco Joe ought to consider the dots...as someone said before, everyone knows everyone on this island...
Still can't believe nobody wants to admit that ALL of these guys knew each other...
J2K obviously were together (Best Friends after 3-4 months), Kalpoes tied to Croes, Croes tied to GVC, however, Joran doesn't know GVC...hmmm?
A.B. looked a lot older if it was his picture...Arubanese it was at the same site for this post.
TIPS
Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 01
That is not true TIPS...not everybody knows everybody on this island. I don't know Michael Dompig nor GVC nor Joran and his family. Maybe by their faces but not personal.
And Andin has nothing to do with this case.
A.B. is someone younger like my age or something.
Posted by: Arubaanse | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 06:52 AM
Dan, I am trying to understand why you allow the garbage to go on in your little secret NH room ?
Do you care to elaborate on that. You let posters use that place to smear and slander Natalee, Beth, Dave and Matt and the Mountain Brook girls. You even state in your own post above each forum that it will not be used as a playground (which it is) WHY DO YOU ALLOW THIS TO GO ON.
Its totally disgusitng what those scumbags say there. Many have left because of this BS.
HERE ARE YOUR COMMNETS. What gives.??? Answer the question please. Thank you.
Posters here would be well advised to go read the last comment in 345 before commenting. I will ban posters for nonsense when I see it and will close the discussion completely if it's going to turn into some people's Usenet playground. There are ample forums already available for that. I have no intention of hosting it here
LAST COMMENT IN FORUM # 345
From your host:
I'm placing this comment in the last comment here. I am seeing a lot of petty nonsense I have no intention of hosting. I'd strongly advise people to reconsider what they think is worth my time to host here. If this forum goes back to childish worthless nonsense, I'll simply deactive it.
Dan
Posted by: Wondering | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 07:07 AM
What is the link to the secret NH room where all the cowards post their lies?
Posted by: Skye | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 09:58 AM
This slapping incident is also covered by national enquirer this week. my question is if the mb boys actually scuffled with GvC on Friday night why did they say it was Joran who apperently did not even meet natalee until sunday night? there is something wrong with one of these pictures.
Posted by: ikitos | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Posted by: Arubaanse | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 06:52 AM
Arubaanse,
I agree with you that they probably have the wrong A.B. - I was just letting you know where they had it posted. Everyone was saying that it was someone in the early 20's. The posting did not match...
I don't believe you personally "know" everyone, but it is small enough in the age group that we are talking about to know OF everyone, especially if they are in the same crowds out partying and having a good time. Which I belive ALL of the suspects were part of (JVS, K2, GVC, Steve Croes). Little hard for me to believe these guys didn't cross paths and know of one another :-)
It is amazing that Deepak comes up with Steve Croes as an ALIBI witness and he has pictures all over the place partying with GVC. Steve doesn't "KNOW" Deepak, but he is willing to come forward with a false alibi.
Keep digging Aruba, the truth is in plain site!
TIPS
Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:51 AM
This slapping incident is also covered by national enquirer this week. my question is if the mb boys actually scuffled with GvC on Friday night why did they say it was Joran who apperently did not even meet natalee until sunday night? there is something wrong with one of these pictures.
Posted by: ikitos | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Joran was SEEN leaving with Natalee from CnC's.
Posted by: Skye | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:04 AM
Here is the kink to the secret underground hate forums.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/
Posted by: TheLink | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:08 AM
Arubanees I said that and it was a figure of speech. "Everyone knows everyone" doesn't necessarily mean that they personally know and associated with eachother it's that this island is very small.
I live in a small town. Under 5000 in population. I don't personally know everyone but I know WHO they are or I know their face enough to have seen them at a pubic event to know they are local.
If anyone has not read Dave's book, this is a must read. I cannot emphasize that enough.
Ever talk to a lawyer when they are in lawyer mode? Ever talk to your insurance agent when they are speaking insurance? Things tend to stay short on fluff and long on concrete. Dave is an insurance agent by trade, a step up from your local agent. He's done this type of work for many years. It shows. I wondered why he was not giving face to the press so much in the beginning, it's because he was in inspection mode. Minus the sign-my-yearbook quotes, it has much structure and reads like my dad's work journal. I'll post some things once I finish the book.
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:28 AM
Posters here would be well advised to go read the last comment in 345 before commenting. I will ban posters for nonsense when I see it and will close the discussion completely if it's going to turn into some people's Usenet playground. There are ample forums already available for that. I have no intention of hosting it here.
.................................................................................
>>>> and that he had to say it more than once. Geez. Kids.
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:30 AM
That is not true TIPS...not everybody knows everybody on this island. I don't know Michael Dompig nor GVC nor Joran and his family. Maybe by their faces but not personal.
And Andin has nothing to do with this case.
A.B. is someone younger like my age or something.
Posted by: Arubaanse | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 06:52 AM
Arubaanse once again stay away from these adder breeds. You don't belong here. No mishi cu nan.
Posted by: sunshine | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:35 AM
Sydney Morning Herald
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/tourist-silent-on-absence-that-sparked-police-hunt/2006/04/30/1146335611865.html
Tourist silent on absence that sparked police hunt
By Les Kennedy
May 1, 2006
A BRITISH tourist whose disappearance from Sydney on the eve of her scheduled departure from Australia sparked a police hunt has been found safe and well on the Central Coast.
Fears for the safety of Frances Embleton, 24, grew after she failed to turn up to her farewell party in Sydney nine days ago.
As police were preparing to hold a news conference yesterday at which her English friends were to have appealed for help in locating her, Ms Embleton telephoned police in Gosford to say "she was all right", a police spokesman said yesterday.
She then went to Gosford police station and produced documents to prove who she was.
Her working holiday visa expired last Tuesday, but the Immigration Department has given her a bridging visa to allow her time to get her belongings together before leaving Sydney.
Police said Ms Embleton would not say why she chose to go off on her own without letting her friends know her whereabouts, but were satisfied she was well and in safe company with a family on the Central Coast.
Her last sighting at 2pm on April 22 near Chinatown led to a number of reports to police, including concern that she might have been abducted.
Ms Embleton, who had been living in Australia for a year, was reported missing by two girlfriends she had travelled abroad with and was staying with at North Sydney when she failed to make her scheduled return flight home last Monday.
Posted by: Rolls | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:42 AM
SC knows GVC. SC knows DK. DK and SK know JVDS. Could it have been
GVC got turned down by NH and wanted revenge. Seems the Dutch on the island live in good houses and get what they want. GVC gets special treatment when picked up. Did not go to courthouse but to jail along with his own pillows. GVC did not like being turned down by an American. Hatches plan with another Dutch JVDS to get NH. JVDS does dirty work with DK and SK meet up with GVC and Koean at JVDS apartment. Something happens to NH. Placed in water by either SC boat or Koeans boat. NH not found on island. After all the hurricanes NH will not be found. Makes sense see we now know how special the Dutch are on the island of Aruba.
Just My Theory
Posted by: nym2000 | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:54 AM
Here is the kink to the secret underground hate forums.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/
Posted by: TheLink | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 11:08 AM
do you people realize how insane you sound? this is a open place to voice opinions not the beth twitty love festival? it is sad that alot of the crazies are back with their uncontrollable tempers if someone voices disagreement with their love of all things beth and mb - get a grip on reality people - there is no eveidence - beth has lied as much as joran and his friends and nobody knows NOTHING about who did what- support for a family is one thing but the way some people worship beth twitty around here is disturbing - some even threaten violence to tohers - it is so out of whack......clearly the internet brings out the nuts - I highly doubt if natalee was my child I would want any of you freakshows on my side
Posted by: truthbetold | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:00 PM
the way some people worship beth twitty around here is disturbing
Posted by: truthbetold | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:00 PM
Worship is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by: DennisAOK | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Anyway.
So I was reading Joran's interview transcript on FOX. The one where he was interviewed by Greta?
Joran is truth impaired. I can see how someone would say "so what time did you get home" and if the person didn't know they might say "around 12" "not too sure, sometime after midnight" but then there is Joran. By all means I am not challenging his English. This isn't about his English.
Here we go:
Greta: So did they all leave together, sort of like a herd of girls, do you remember?
Joran: Yes, I think they left in a group. They all stayed together.
Greta: Did they...
Joran: And I remember afterwards going into...right behind that casino is a little bar, and I remember watching...walking in there. And there was a baseball game on TV, and again, the group of girls was sitting there. And they said, Oh, yes, don't forget to come out tonight. And I told them that on Sunday, it wasn't a good night to go out. It wasn't fun. It wasn't --and --but they said, You know, if you want to come, come. And I ended up deciding that, yes, I might as well go and have fun.
Greta: Were you drinking at that point?
Joran: No, at that point, I wasn't drinking. I'd had a drink at the --during the poker tournament, but at that point, I hadn't taken a drink. They were drinking, however.
..............................................................................
Does this sound like "it depends on what the word is is"?
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:20 PM
anyone know where the security video is of the McDonalds? Inside cameras? Outside?
Greta: and where did you go when you left the casino?
Joran: And I called another friend of mine and asked him if he wanted to go out, and he said he had to work the next day, so he couldn't go out. And at that point, I called my dad and asked him if he could pick me up. And he saidhe'd pick me up at the McDonalds, so I walked over to the McDonalds, where he picked me up and took me home.
Greta: So it's a cell phone call to your house.
Joran: Yes, a cell phone call to my house.
Greta: Any particular reason why the McDonald's? Did you get something to eat or...
Joran: Yes, because I wanted to get somehing to eat, too. I hadn't eaten anything. So I got something to eat at the McDonald's.
Greta: How far is the walk from the Holiday Inn to McDonald's about?
Joran: Five minutes probably.
Greta: So you got to the McDonald's. Was your father already there, or did you wait for him?
Joran: No he wasn't there yet. I got something to eat, and while I was eating it, he arrived.
.........
Easy one. Who was working the 11 o'clock shift at Micky D's that night? Wouldn't be a tough time marker to ask the employees if they remember this guy the night before that American went missing and the island had a big search.
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 01:20 PM
"GVC did not like being turned down by an American. Hatches plan with another Dutch JVDS to get NH. JVDS does dirty work with DK and SK meet up with GVC and Koean at JVDS apartment. Something happens to NH. Placed in water by either SC boat or Koeans boat."posted by nym2000
This theory sounds plausible to me. They are ALL involved to some degree.
Arubaanse--I appreciate your postings. What do YOU think happened?
Posted by: Justice for Natalee | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 01:37 PM
why would Joran happily sit in KIA all summer if another boy/man did it? Why would Paulus pay for attys to help K2, leaving GVS out of the mix all together?
The only loyalty I've seen on Joran's part, has been to his father.
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 01:59 PM
Re Knowing Everyone - I grew up in a town of about 12,000, smaller than Aruba. There were two high schools, a city and county, and I went to the smaller one, the city school. Although I knew everyone in my class of 69 people, and knew who most of the people in my high school of about 300 people, I did not know everyone in my own high school, nor did I spend time with most of them, just my friends and people that went to my church and were involved in the same activities that I was. I was very socially active too. I knew some kids around my age that went to the other school, and could recognize some others but I did not hangout with them. I did not know most of people who had already graduated in past several years either.
People incorrectly assume that these young men all knew each other. It would especially be a false assumption that a 17 yr old in high school like Joran would know someone who is 20 -21 like GVC who had not attended his school. I read some information about GVC's father's business, and it talked about the business being created and then located to Aruba. Don't remember the exact year, but was within last 4 yrs so this family did not seem to have been living in Aruba during the time Joran grew up there.
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:21 PM
AB - The translated DARIO article, second down on this page, said that AB is a male 20 yrs of age. Obviously he is not the same person as the attorney that some are speculating about.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:29 PM
why would Joran happily sit in KIA all summer if another boy/man did it? Why would Paulus pay for attys to help K2, leaving GVS out of the mix all together?
The only loyalty I've seen on Joran's part, has been to his father.
Posted by: Pearly
=========
Why would you assume he happily sat there? In the conversation in the back seat of the police car, he asumed he would soon be set free. He told them what he knew and expected to be released.
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:33 PM
shonane,
he ALSO said he was "fine with it".
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:40 PM
>...
>I highly doubt if natalee was my child I would >want any of you freakshows on my side
>Posted by: truthbetold
I cringe for Natalee herself. If she has to be either a 'saint' or a 'slut' then who she really was is already lost, sublimated in wristbands and prayer walls. A howling lynch-mob doesn't reflect well on anybody, Natalee, the Holloway-Twitty's, Alabama, or America generally.
My impression is that American parents expect all young males to be murdering rapists, which is an alarming reflection on what they expect of young American men. (stand up guys who are safe alone with a drunk girl)
That a young guy would forego sex because he didn't have a condom, or be inhibited from taking advantage of a drunk girl, or that three locals would run her back to her hotel as a kindness, seems to be impossible to American parents. (stand up guys who can take 'no' for an answer, or have run a drunk girl home without raping her)
And God forbid any good 18-yo Southern girl should have any sexual thoughts or desires unless someone slipped her a Micky-Finn. So what was she, *abnormal* or something?
It is Beth more than anyone who made Natalee's sexual 'morality' a public issue by turning a missing person into a sex crime, proclaiming her virginal angel was drugged and raped by three boys - a dubious claim on all counts. (stand up girls and defend your right to your own sexuality)
Who alluded to her daughter's pubic hair, or lack thereof, on national TV? So much for decorum. And what on earth is Beth doing, sharing the secrets of Nat's beaver with Greta ... and a few million viewers? That's not dishonoring Natalee in spades?
Why do so many seem horrified by the idea that Natalee might have had sexual feelings? What's wrong with that?!?! She wasn't eight, she was eighteen (legally fully an "adult" in my nick of the woods).
Rape and murder are the most sensational and serious accusations, yet they have been casually thrown around in this case with zero evidence or concern for the impact on innocent bystanders.
But any questioning of this pornographic Mills & Boon fantasy, no matter how mild or well-reasoned, is roundly denounced as Beth 'hating' or 'dishonoring' Natalee.
"Somebody must pay!" is a common theme. Sure, crime cannot be ruled out, but neither can misadventure (or absconding, or abduction).
A lot of people have their necks stuck out a long way if the wheels happen to fall off the "lynch Joran" bandwaggon; the family, the media, and more than a few bloggers.
If she turned up alive tomorrow, as a "hater" I'd be doing handsprings of joy; but I have to wonder how overjoyed the 'lynch Joran' crew would be once they realised what they'd have live down. ;)
Posted by: Rolls | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:49 PM
shonane,
he ALSO said he was "fine with it".
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Pearly Girly ,
That is not an admission of guilt or anything like that.
Try to look at the context . Joran was devastated knowing that his dad had been arrested and just wished that they release him soon even if it meant prolonging Joran's stay in jail.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 02:59 PM
Jackie Lackey,
well they DID prolong his stay, didn't they? And all reports said he was a model prisoner except for one instance where he refused to go see his daddy downtown. Oh and the in-your-face he had with that sweet little mommy of his. Other than that, happy as a lark;)
Afterall, Jackie Lackey, look at alllll the attention he got while the real culprit ran around the island buying new furniture.
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:12 PM
>>Joran: No, at that point, I wasn't drinking. I'd
>>had a drink at the --during the poker tournament,
>>but at that point, I hadn't taken a drink. They
>>were drinking, however.
>
>Does this sound like "it depends on what the word is is"?
>Posted by: FloridaPatty
I've read it twice and I'm not sure I get your point. You mean the drinking/not drinking contradiction at the end? If so, you do better in Dutch.
It is a NESB trait to be litereal, German speakers particularly, but Dutch is similar. To me he is saying he has not yet taken a drink in the bar he mentions he has just walked in to, but he previously had a drink in the casino.
Me on help desk: "where are you?" (meaning what is the status of your computer?)
German client: "I am zitting in froont of ze computer!!!" (where the hell do you think I am you idiot)
Vivisecting transcripts is useless, and will make you go blind!
Posted by: Rolls | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:16 PM
Dan, I am trying to post and type pad has decided that I am likely posting "comment spam." Why I do not know. I am not posting spam nor have I ever in the past 10 mo that I have come to this site!
I cannot email you because I have to do it through Comcast and I don't know your email address. I had Opera as a browser then deleted it, and when I click on the "email me" link you have, my computer wants to look for the no longer existing Opera ex file. I don't know how to fix this.
This is not spam and it if very irritating. I don't know if it will take this message either.
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:17 PM
The source of the information about the scuffle with GVC on Friday at C&Cs is MB student interviews.
Many believe that GVC is the person that MB students referenced as hanging out with them all week. He worked on the beach over by their hotel.
When Joran was arrested, the MB students, then in Alabama, most likely first thought he was GVC and that is why there was confusion about whether Joran had been involved in the scuffle at C&CS. He had not.
Most of the MB students never met Joran, just the few close friends of Natalee who were with her in the casino/then bar when they invited him to come to C&Cs that night.
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:26 PM
Jackie Lackey,
well they DID prolong his stay, didn't they? And all reports said he was a model prisoner except for one instance where he refused to go see his daddy downtown. Oh and the in-your-face he had with that sweet little mommy of his. Other than that, happy as a lark;)
Afterall, Jackie Lackey, look at alllll the attention he got while the real culprit ran around the island buying new furniture.
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:12 PM
Pearly Girly ,
Joran had signed papers allowing Beth and Dave to see him in jail , but his parents and attorney wont let that happen (and it makes sense to me). When you are in jail without your fault its but natural to expect that you'll go mad once in a while and may even be rude to people you love.
Deepak also mentions to Skeeters that one of his friends visited him in jail and Deepak spoke very rudely to him for apparently no reason and later apologised to him after he was released and the friend perfectly understood his situation.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:36 PM
Pearly,
Reading your last comment, I realized that JVDS's parents are 'enablers' to JVDS.
Posted by: justguessing | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:41 PM
I am very impressed with how David Koch (sp?) comports himself. Very low key, non-excitable... his calm, non-confrontational manner conveys (whether true or not) that that the K's are not involved/have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: justguessing | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:45 PM
I am very impressed with how David Koch (sp?) comports himself. Very low key, non-excitable... his calm, non-confrontational manner conveys (whether true or not) that that the K's are not involved/have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: justguessing | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:45 PM
Contrast that with Joe Taco's demeanor , would you conclude that he conveys (whether true or not) Joran is
involved/ has everything to worry about . huh ? HAHAHA
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:52 PM
justguessing,
I agree about DK, he's a class act. (nice shirts and ties, too;) )
Jackie Lackey,
LOL you're cracking me up! Yeah, Joran was dying to chat it up with the Holloway's, he has no problem talking story with anyone that'll listen. He didn't sign a paper swearing to tell the truth, wink wink.
If both his parents were upset that he signed papers to speak with NH's family, did you happen to notice he got in MUMMY'S face and NOT daddy's? Just a nice boy going mad in confinement?
But after all's said and done, he's out, an adult, and free as a bird on the wing. Everyone knows where he can find the Holloways/Twittys in case he doesn't...bet they're allll ears about now. What keeps the fine lad from having a heartfelt chat with that poor girl's mum? He's a man now, right?
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:15 PM
Sunshine and Arubaanse:
I'm not saying they knew each other...so please follow along....
If you take a large group of people from the same basic age group...for discussion purposes...17-25 and interview them all (JVS, DK, SK, GVC, SC...and whoever else?) and you ask them the question over the last 12 months did you ever hang out or party at C&C's...and you find out that they all answer yest to this question and it is multiple times. You then ask them, do you know anyone that works there (bar tenders, bouncers, etc...) and they all answer yes, I'm familiar with so and so. There is a good chance, even if they weren't friends, that they "KNOW" of each other, from (if nothing else) being at C&C and knowing who the people that live there are from the tourist. If I hang out at the local pub (please don't tell my wife), you can bet I know the regulars from the people passing through (tourist). I may not be buddies or know everyones name, but the fact that they are there drinking multiple times...I KNOW of them.
We know Joran says he romanced tourists multiple times (20), we also know that GVC has about 20 tourists photos with young ladies flying all over the internet, so they at least played the same sport (hunting for young tourist girls)...then you would imagine they played in the same stadium (C&C's was known as the young tourist hangout)...wouldn't you?
TIPS
Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:21 PM
But after all's said and done, he's out, an adult, and free as a bird on the wing. Everyone knows where he can find the Holloways/Twittys in case he doesn't...bet they're allll ears about now. What keeps the fine lad from having a heartfelt chat with that poor girl's mum? He's a man now, right?
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:15 PM
Listen Pearly Girly ,
Joran said on Greta that he is willing to talk to Beth and Dave and answer all their questions. We dont know what Dave thinks about that because he was never asked for reaction , but Greta asked Beth and she actually encouraged her to go talk to him but Beth bluntly refused saying that she wont talk to him unless SHE takes a polygraph expert with HERSELF (stinks of Skeeters here). Beth says she wont believe anything he says and it was beyond herself and Dave to see beyond his lies.Beth wont let him talk on his own terms . In other words a lame excuse. Dave on the other hand is more busy with his book signing events , "Go read my book , its all there." LOL
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:26 PM
Truth,
Good post. I agree with your logic. The island is small. Similar ages & similar interests. It would be very improbable that Joran did not know/wasn't friends with GVC.
Posted by: GSPatton | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:32 PM
"I wouldn't believe me either, no" Joran Van Der Sloot 2006
I don't blame Beth, and Joran should JUMP at the chance of a polygraph that won't be used in court. He's telling the truth, er he will tell the truth when he feels up to it, and nothing says the truth like "hook me up!, Skeeter".
Joran forced himself on their daughter, I'm sure he could force himself into Dave's schedule;)
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:33 PM
Contrast that with Joe Taco's demeanor , would you conclude that he conveys (whether true or not) Joran is
involved/ has everything to worry about . huh ? HAHAHA
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 03:52 PM
Joe T. conveys the demeanor of an aggressive attorney....frenzied.
Posted by: Slogger | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:35 PM
Truth,
Good post. I agree with your logic. The island is small. Similar ages & similar interests. It would be very improbable that Joran did not know/wasn't friends with GVC.
Posted by: GSPatton | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:32 PM
The island is like a city of 80,000 people spread over an area of 10 miles by 2 miles . Its very probable that the two didnt know each other. Also GVC stopped going to school and when he did he didnt go to the same school as Joran.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:38 PM
jackie lackey,
yes buttttttt, he went to the same bars!
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:39 PM
The island is like a city of 80,000 people spread over an area of 10 miles by 2 miles . Its very probable that the two didnt know each other. Also GVC stopped going to school and when he did he didnt go to the same school as Joran.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:38 PM
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"Horsepuckey!" JVDS lives and plays close to GVC's work; they (both) frequent CnC; they (both) know SC. Who knows what more we will find out.
Posted by: Slogger | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:42 PM
jackie lackey,
yes buttttttt, he went to the same bars!
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:39 PM
Pearly Girly ,
I dont know if GVC used to frequent the casinos or not. CNC's ia an extremely popular hangout place in Aruba , probably the most popular nightclub on the island. On any given night during the weekends , its jam packed with a crowd of several hundred people at the same time with a fair mix of both locals and tourists. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that its impossible for everybody there to know everybody else.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:46 PM
"Horsepuckey!" JVDS lives and plays close to GVC's work; they (both) frequent CnC; they (both) know SC. Who knows what more we will find out.
Posted by: Slogger | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:42 PM
People have desparately tried connecting the dots and could come up with NOTHING , not even a god damned picture of the two together. And both parties have denied knowing each other ever.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:51 PM
Jackie Lackey, be real! when you live on an island it's a small town enviroment where you see familiar faces and eventually learn their names. Just like living on Maui, the people who drink in Lahaina are regulars and they all know eachother.
C&C's is a favorite watering hole for all the suspects, hence you can bet your rocket, Mr Science, they know eachother by name.
Posted by: Pearly | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:54 PM
People have desparately tried connecting the dots and could come up with NOTHING , not even a god damned picture of the two together. And both parties have denied knowing each other ever.
Posted by: jack | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:51 PM
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Don't give up hope, Jack. There have been denials about many acquaintances/friends. We're still waiting for school photos, soccer photos, tourist photos. The phrase "I don't know him" doesn't mean anything, anymore.
Posted by: Slogger | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 04:57 PM
Here is the kink to the secret underground hate forums.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/
Posted by: TheLink |
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This isn't an underground hate forum. I remember when Dan set this up. During that time Dan was posting a blog about NH most days, but I think he got weary of doing this every day and then there was little news after awhile. There were some who came here almost every day and some of the people posting on the main blog had not caught up and it was a constant need to keep catching them up. Dan set up the special link for regulars who wanted to discuss the case on their own. They also could discuss even if he did not have a blog entry running. I thought it was pretty nice of him to do this as he is carrying the webspace for them and maintaining the site. It is just a special discussion area re this case, not an underground hate site.
Posted by: shonane | Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 05:00 PM