Natalee Holloway - Quick Update

Yes, I know the FBI is re-contacting the MB students. As apparently someone is posting it around the Internet, it's true. But I also gather the FBI is asking for some disgression from individuals they apparently aren't getting, as some seem compelled to post everything out on the web.

A few less seeking their fifteen minutes and more honest co-operation with the investigation might do everyone interested in justice a little good.

My guess is that to some extent they are also trying to penetrate through some of the myths of this investigation in an attempt to get to the truth, some of which may not align with certain notions of what individuals were up to and involved with during their Aruban vacation last year.

I mean that in a very general way and it is not specifically directed at Natalee. But as some have always felt, it is plausible that some people talking of the trip may know a bit more than what was ever let on. Hopefully some sound investigation on both sides of the ocean will yield some results. If nothing else, the investigation certainly has a feel of momentum and possibly a direction it previously lacked.

Only time will tell. Like many, I am well past the point of wanting it to end, successfully, ofcourse..

Comments

[Mallowmar]

Is someone one preventing you from going home, Mallowmar?

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:37 AM

In a matter of speaking, yes.

Because the media is still stopped up with this case. Are there no other missing persons in the world? Yes, there are. Enough attention and F-16's for Natalee Holloway.

[heatherson]

We are not in favor of boycotting Aruba. You misunderstand. We are in favor of justice for visitors, including visitors to the U.S. No young women should be left on beaches, at night, anywhere.

There is an unspoken "code of ethics", for treating visitors, in most countries. When we were visiting the Netherlands, we felt that people were treating tourists very well.

That is what many people concerned about the Holloway case want- a "code of ethics" for treating tourists well, which insures their safety.

[Skye]

Because the media is still stopped up with this case. Are there no other missing persons in the world? Yes, there are. Enough attention and F-16's for Natalee Holloway.

Posted by: Mallowmar | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM

If that is how you feel , why are you reading and posting on this blog?

Do you not control you channel selection in your home? Just don't tune in to the news regarding the investigation. The solution for you is just that simple.

[heatherson]

Yes, there are many missing persons and that is sad. The Natalee Holloway case has become an "example", for the world, of what can happen to a female tourist in a foreign country. The case is almost a year old. Responsible people want this case solved.

[Skye]

We are in favor of justice for visitors, including visitors to the U.S. No young women should be left on beaches, at night, anywhere.

Posted by: heatherson | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM

We do not know that Natalee was left on the beach. Since she was not found on the beach and certainly has not said that he left her on the beach, there is no proof that he left her on the beach. All we have is Joran saying he left her there. And that came after how many previous lies?

[Kafka]

@heaterson
Why not starting to solve these cases: http://community.dps.state.al.us/wfPages/wfAlertListing.aspx?Type=15&Status=5

18 children missing in Alabama!

How much effort is done to find these childern?
Why aren't they an "example" each of them????

[Mallowmar]

@heaterson
Why not starting to solve these cases: http://community.dps.state.al.us/wfPages/wfAlertListing.aspx?Type=15&Status=5

18 children missing in Alabama!

How much effort is done to find these childern?
Why aren't they an "example" each of them????

Posted by: Kafka | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 11:03 AM

Thank you, Kafka. Perfectly stated.

Enough attention to a woman who made choices and wasn't taken against her will like these young children most likely were. And they *probably* weren't drinking either.

[Mallowmar]

Because the media is still stopped up with this case. Are there no other missing persons in the world? Yes, there are. Enough attention and F-16's for Natalee Holloway.

Posted by: Mallowmar | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM

If that is how you feel , why are you reading and posting on this blog?

Do you not control you channel selection in your home? Just don't tune in to the news regarding the investigation. The solution for you is just that simple.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:42 AM

Sorry Skye.

I'm not one to easily overlook injustice and the Holloway case is very unjust indeed. To send out F-16's and raise millions and thousands of dollars for one irresponsible woman when the typical reward amount for missing children is only a few thousand, is unfair. It is unfair that Fox has devote their time and effort to mainly one woman, while thousands of people remain missing in the US.

Turn the channel and shut up? No way.

I, and many other people like myself, no longer wish to read/hear/look at the Holloway case. We tried long and hard. She did make her own choices.

[Slogger]

If you believe what you are saying, then you should take your own advice.

[Skye]

Natalee is a victim, Mallowmar. She was not doing anything that thousands of other tourists on Aruba have not done in the past.
Joran van der Sloot is the person that committed criminal acts and his first one was craving a defenseless and intoxicated girl away from her group for one purpose which he stated on nationwide television.

If you are sick of the news about this case do not watch it. I am interested in it. Apparently, there a many others that are as well because the ratings dictate what they report on.

Yes, there are other missing people. The parents of those missing persons should step up for their media time too.
And if you are that concerned about other missing persons, instead of complaining and using them to justify your argument about the coverage of the Holloway case, get out in the world and do something about it.

I detest people that speak up about something they can easily ignore if they don't want to hear the news of it and use other tragic situations to complain about it. There is no comparison. Every missing persons case is unique to the facts of that case. All are important and none should be ignored or forgotten.

This one is on Aruba , not the USA. It is of continued interest because of all the lies that come out of Aruba and the lies of the main suspect and the fact that Natalee is stilling missing when this case without the VDS family lies and PVDS influence could have been solved long ago.

How many other missing persons cases do you know of or care about , Mallowmar, that they know who was the last person to be seen with the missing person and they failed in their investigation because of lies?

[Skye]

And futhermore, Mallowmar, if you want to complain about media coverage of something , focus your efforts on the Duke Lacrosse case. That is a case that should not be on the news.

The TH's are complaining that it is being tried in the media and yet they are the ones that are doing it. What kind of sense does that make.

They should let the court decide that case now and not say another word about it in the media until they have a ruling by the court.

[Jerry]

A case for useing fear and Physical pain as an interrogation tool .
If the Aruba Poliz really wanted to end this case they would use some of the torture and scare tactics that the Egyptions ( SP ERRIOR )utilize sucessfully .
Now this may seem harsh and possably terriostic but I do believe that the VDS's J&P and the Kalpos are not the big Bad criminals that people are makeing them out to be .
I do believe though that they are counting on the humanistic side of society to protect them and this they have shown that they can stand up to ( convientional interrogation tech )
I believe in all my heart and my knowledge base (Psychology )
that if their security base was pulled from under them and they believed that they were in imminate danger of Pain and or death
that they would all tell the rightious truth about what happened if they were absolutely convienced that if they lied and it was found out that the next step would be physical harm of almost unbelieveable proportions would be used on each of them but if they were found to be telling the truth that coud be backed up that they would be free from this fear and threat from harm .
If I were to be in charge of this interrogation I would begin with Lil Satish (The most like ly to crack first ) and then Paulis VDS then Depak and last of all Joran (Because ofhis sociopathic tendencies )
I know that this is almost an impossability but if these men were flown to a remote location and explained to them what was a
possability and even just shown films Sound and audio of past interrogations thatthis would lossen some tongues and brong back forgotten memories.
I am not saying this to bring myself any personal gratification but only to end this farce of an investagation and finally find out once and for all WHAT did HAPPEN on thate fateful night .
Jerry from Ohio

[jeff]

"Joran van der Sloot is the person that committed criminal acts and his first one was craving a defenseless and intoxicated girl away from her group for one purpose which he stated on nationwide television."

How do you know Skye , that Natalee was craved out of her group by JVDS when her friends have said that she left voluntarily with him . They also confirmed that Natalee was the one to approach Joran first and that she refused to get out of the care even after her friend screamed to her to get out. And how do you know that Natalee didnt have sex with VDS on her mind ?
She invited Joran to do jello shots on her by grabbing his hand and later voluntarily decided to go out with him. How do you know she was not interested in a one night stand with Joran ? Seems to me like she was .

[Skye]

Because he is a resident of Aruba and she was a tourist and he had a responsibility to not remove an intoxicated girl from any establishment. That is the first thing.

Her judgement was impaired from all accounts so anything anyone said about her willingness to do anything was influenced by the alcohol ,therefore; rendering her unable to consent to any kind of contact with anyone whatsoever.

A person of moral value would not have taken advantage of her condition , however a criminal would and did for his use.

Joran said he had done the same thing 20 times. He said his life was picking up girls , having a good time with them and saying goodbye. In others words , use and discard. As if a person is an object for his use and worth nothing. He shows no remorse for his actions that caused any of this. If he had not been there , she would not be missing.

He knew what he was doing and why. If you don't that is too bad.
That is how I know.

[jeff]

He knew what he was doing and why. If you don't that is too bad.
That is how I know.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:20 PM

We all knew what he was doing and why. But Natalee made the first move and she wanted to make out with him as well. She should have been more responsible . We know from FBI statements that she had been drinking regularly throughout the whole trip , that she was asked to "slow down" by her friends , that she was so drunk even needed assistance two nights before she went missing . She did indulge in irresponsible and risky behavior and thats a lesson that teens like her should learn before going out anywhere to party no matter where they go.

[jeff]

He knew what he was doing and why. If you don't that is too bad.
That is how I know.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:20 PM

We all knew what he was doing and why. But Natalee made the first move and she wanted to make out with him as well. She should have been more responsible . We know from FBI statements that she had been drinking regularly throughout the whole trip , that she was asked to "slow down" by her friends , that she was so drunk even needed assistance two nights before she went missing . She did indulge in irresponsible and risky behavior and thats a lesson that teens like her should learn before going out anywhere to party no matter where they go.

[Berry]

He knew what he was doing and why. If you don't that is too bad.
That is how I know.

Posted by: Skye
_________________________

You'd probably be better off living your own life ad not Joran's. Joran was not the first or only 17 yr old to lie or act irresponsibly with tragic consequences. Each of us has the responsibility to mind our own behavior and not put ourselves in compromising positions. That was Natalee's issue - not Joran's. It's sad, but it happens all the time.

[jeff]

"Her judgement was impaired from all accounts so anything anyone said about her willingness to do anything was influenced by the alcohol ,therefore; rendering her unable to consent to any kind of contact with anyone whatsoever. "

From no accounts does it appear that her judgement was impaired. What we know from witness statements is that she was intoxicated but not to the point of being out of it and was able to respond to people . She appeared euphoric and verbose . I havent seen any statement which says anything about impaired judgement while she left CnC . Either its your imagination or you havent seen her friends statements.

[Skye]

Joran said she made the first move. He is a liar. Self admitted as well.

Natalee's choices do not excuse Joran. He is responsible for his actions that led to her disappearance as well. He made the choice to go to CnC's 30 minutes prior to closing with one purpose which he accomplished. There is no excuse for him regarding his intentions.

The coin is two sided and can be debated with the same results and never ending. Two wrongs do not make it right. One has to decide what is the greatest wrong. I believe his is the greater wrong.

Have a good day, Jeff and thanks for your opinions. I am going shopping now.

[Mike]

"From no accounts does it appear that her judgement was impaired. What we know from witness statements is that she was intoxicated but not to the point of being out of it and was able to respond to people . She appeared euphoric and verbose . I havent seen any statement which says anything about impaired judgement while she left CnC . Either its your imagination or you havent seen her friends statements"

Make up your mind....either her judgement was impaired or she was so drunk she had to be helped back to her hotel twice...you can't have it both ways.

[jeff]

Have a good day, Jeff and thanks for your opinions. I am going shopping now.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:36 PM

Well Skye its not just Joran but Natalee's friends as well said that she approached him first , but never mind its a tragic tale nevertheless and we all must pray for Natalee .

You too have a good day and thanks for your opinions as well , Skye. Enjoy your shopping , which reminds me I have to go shopping as well but I'll go later in the afternoon.

[Berry]

Because he is a resident of Aruba and she was a tourist and he had a responsibility to not remove an intoxicated girl from any establishment. That is the first thing.

________________________

Joran did not own Carlos and Charlies bar. That type of assumed responsibility was the manager's or the bartender's - not a 17 year old.

Give Natalee some credit. She was having fun, drinking and hanging out with the young crowd. She did not think leaving with Joran was putting herself in harm's way. You can argue she was too drunk to take care of herself - you'll never prove it.

But no one appointed Joran Vandersloot Natalee's keeper.

[jeff]

Make up your mind....either her judgement was impaired or she was so drunk she had to be helped back to her hotel twice...you can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Mike | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:40 PM

Mike , I said that she needed help to get back to her hotel on the night before she went missing and not on that night. This came from her friends' statement to the FBI . Her friends have also described her behavior at CnC before she took off with the 3 suspects and it doesnt appear anywhere in those desciptions that her behavior was impaired . So were are talking about 2 different nights. A more general point is however that Natalee was not drinking responsibly during her trip possibly because she never had access to so much alcohol unsupervised in Alabama because she was underage there. This is an important thing that parents should reconsider before sending their kids to exotic locations to let them party . Thats all i am trying to say.

[jeff]

Make up your mind....either her judgement was impaired or she was so drunk she had to be helped back to her hotel twice...you can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Mike | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:40 PM

Mike , I said that she needed help to get back to her hotel on the night before she went missing and not on that night. This came from her friends' statement to the FBI . Her friends have also described her behavior at CnC before she took off with the 3 suspects and it doesnt appear anywhere in those desciptions that her behavior was impaired . So were are talking about 2 different nights. A more general point is however that Natalee was not drinking responsibly during her trip possibly because she never had access to so much alcohol unsupervised in Alabama because she was underage there. This is an important thing that parents should reconsider before sending their kids to exotic locations to let them party . Thats all i am trying to say.

[lyannea]

OK- A question- did JVDS, PVDS, or the 2Ks help in the search for Natalee Holloway?

Posted by: heatherson | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 09:56 AM

'An idea: this may help the Aruban economy and restore tourism: have a televised show of JVDS, PVD, 2K bros, the new guy just arrested and Croes ( cell rental guy) search for Natalie, via a reality show. Mark their every move: that would be penance enough for me, until Natalee is found

[offonatangent]

Exactly Jeff
Natalee left with JK2 of her own free will. No-one forced her to go and her friends even tried to convince her to get out of the car. Natalee had no intention of going back to the HI with her friends. And while Natalee HAD most surely been drinking, she was NOT staggering drunk and IF she was given GHB (which I doubt) it certainly must have been a "funny" new kind because she walked out of C&C's on her own - GHB is very fast acting, if it was in her last drink there she would have shown the effects before leaving and have been unable to walk out on her own. None of the witnesses report that Natalee was impaired to the point of insensibility. She was laughing and talking and lucid and "fine" as they put it. I think if Natalee did drugs that night it was probably X and she did it willingly - it was her last night in paradise and I think she wanted to party, stay up all night, have a romantic encounter in the moonlight on the beach and watch the sun rise. If she was unfamiliar with X she might not have known it's true effects and certainly she had no idea how her body would react....especially WITH alcohol (which is a bad mix with X in many people). Natalee had worked hard in school, didn't even have a steady boyfriend all thru HS and her Mom arranged her prom date - I think she was a girl on a misson to find some excitement and romance in Aruba - safely away from Mom and Jug and Dad (what happens in Aruba, stays in Aruba?). We already know she loved the beach and the ocean. Was she interested in GVC 1st and when he didn't return her interest or wasn't available that last night she then turned to JVDS because he was available and handy? He did sneak out to go to C&C's that night - possibly because he planned to meet Natalee there. Did Natalee also invite GVC? Did she plan to meet up with him later on the beach? We may never know. But I STILL think the MB girls DO know. I also think they didn't tell because of their respect for their now missing friend and Beth's obvious obsession with keeping Natalee's good reputation intact. It would take a LOT of guts to contradict Beth and tell investigators Natalee PLANNED an encounter that night - if not with GVC with Joran OR that Natalee was high on purpose. I think there was plenty of pressure on ALL the MB kids who were close to Natalee to say NOTHING, and I am sure THEIR parents didn't want THEM on Nat'l TV making the Sr trip look like something from Animal House. It was embarrasing and southerners are not prone to airing their dirty laundry in public..."it just isn't done, honey".
None of this explains WHAT happened to Natalee but it does give a starting point and a cast of likely characters. ALE is right to start all over from the beginning and walk the invetigation all the way thru again - and maybe, with the passing of time, the REAL story of the MB trip to Aruba and Natalee's time there will come out. A sweet girl, stars in her eyes, longing for excitement and romance and magic and moonlight under a tropical moon with the waves in the background went to Aruba and didn't come home - the key to all of the mysteries could truly lie with her friends and classmates.... there is more that needs to be told and connections that have yet to be made.

[heatherson]

Yes, all cases of missing persons should be solved. This does not mean that Natalee's case should be given any less attention. From the point of view of many who care about this case, it is about justice for a woman who disappeared. It could be about any woman who disappeared- in any country.

We can't blame the person who is not here to defend herself. Other people have had almost a year to defend themselves. Natalee has not. That is the unfairness. She is being blamed for her behavior, but she is not here to tell us about that night herself. That is the tragedy.

[Bernard]

A case for useing fear and Physical pain as an interrogation tool .
If the Aruba Poliz really wanted to end this case they would use some of the torture and scare tactics that the Egyptions ( SP ERRIOR )utilize sucessfully .
Now this may seem harsh and possably terriostic but I do believe that the VDS's J&P and the Kalpos are not the big Bad criminals that people are makeing them out to be .
I do believe though that they are counting on the humanistic side of society to protect them and this they have shown that they can stand up to ( convientional interrogation tech )
I believe in all my heart and my knowledge base (Psychology )
that if their security base was pulled from under them and they believed that they were in imminate danger of Pain and or death
that they would all tell the rightious truth about what happened if they were absolutely convienced that if they lied and it was found out that the next step would be physical harm of almost unbelieveable proportions would be used on each of them but if they were found to be telling the truth that coud be backed up that they would be free from this fear and threat from harm .
If I were to be in charge of this interrogation I would begin with Lil Satish (The most like ly to crack first ) and then Paulis VDS then Depak and last of all Joran (Because ofhis sociopathic tendencies )
I know that this is almost an impossability but if these men were flown to a remote location and explained to them what was a
possability and even just shown films Sound and audio of past interrogations thatthis would lossen some tongues and brong back forgotten memories.
I am not saying this to bring myself any personal gratification but only to end this farce of an investagation and finally find out once and for all WHAT did HAPPEN on thate fateful night .
Jerry from Ohio

Jerry, I honestly feel your mind is sick!

[Mike]

Maybe Natalee wasn't drink...maybe she was...If her friends were trying to get her out of Deepaks car that may indicate they thought she may have been drunk.

Fact is the only ones right now that truly know Natalee's state after she left C&C's are Joren and the Kalpoes....3 confirmed liars. Shes gone and they lied...the only known undisputable facts.

[anniekwa]

Jerry - your psychological methods are frightening! No offense intended! However, I see a flaw in your theory. If they used these type of methodologies to try and gain "truth" they may actually get more "lies" if they are innocent. They may be so scared that they admit to something they didn't do to get the torture to stop because sitting in a jail cell would be far less painful. There have been reported instances of that as well. So I cannot condone your methodologies.

Berry - I just wanted to point out that the experts sent in from the Netherlands did find Joran to be a sociopath and a pathological liar. That came out on their reports when they came to study him. So heather and skye may be 'labeling' him that, aligning with the experts. BTW, I do agree with the experts, even just watching him during the recently taped interviews I would still label him that. Does that make him a killer in this case? By no means NO! But it he has obstructed justice in such a way that it has made it far less likely we will find out the truth. That is is a travesty.

It was mentioned above that the statements in the "taped" police car conversation were not in any way coming from them, but I beg to differ. The police did not make up any of the "threats" Joran spouted in the back of the car to the K2 brothers. Yes, they did "quote" some of the statements, but they also clearly were not surprised by some of the statements made either. There was some truth hidden in many of those statements. There are admissions of some level of guilt hidden in those, although I am not convinced they know where Natalee actually ended up. But I do believe they knew that she had been harmed very badly before they "fled the scene".

One part of the conversation still bothers me and that was the part where Joran is talking of his father with the boys (further into the conversation, not the earlier part) and he says he is just "doing what he was told to do". This could be a signal of some further implication for both Joran and his father, or again, it could be just another lie by Joran. That is the problem with a pathological liar. We all know he has been disobedient to his parents many times before, but why try and implicate his father then?

[Slogger]

I havent seen any statement which says anything about impaired judgement while she left CnC . Either its your imagination or you havent seen her friends statements.

Posted by: jeff | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:36 PM

Alana Jordan's statement indicated that she was walking, talking, but not verbose. IIRC, there was a reference to eyelids--slightly down or droopy, some mention of eyelids.

[anniekwa]

When I watch home videos of Natalee here are some impressions I get:

1. Natalee appears to be "shy". In photos and the videos she is often more the "outcast" in the group - often separated by space or sitting near the adult instead of kids her age.

2. The other girls seemed more "glamorous" and "outgoing".

I sometimes wonder if the MB girls didn't somehow "set" Natalee up to try and "hook up" with someone that week. It almost seemed like they were trying to ensure that the came back more "worldly" and encouraged the situation. Maybe that is why they are trying to stick with the "innocent Natalee" stories with Beth. They would have to then admit their own feelings in this because if they were part of this, then they may be feeling guilty as well.

[Pearly]

what I find stunning in that recording is the fact that none of the three stooges expresses confusion about Natalee, or shock that she disappeared. No "Oh my God, what do YOU think happened?" or "I can't believe it! She was right there on the beach where I left her!". It's a given she's gone, period.

These are very cool customers for 17, 18 and 21 year old "boys".

[anniekwa]

Something that came out in one of the shows the other night has still bothered me. At the time I sat there stunned and am just now just getting around to asking if anyone knows more about this supposed information. According to the news, Beth and Anita had a conversation about just how much "intimacy" occurred between the two kids (Natalee and Joran) - now how would either know that? Anita has Joran around and I suppose could have gotten the information through Paulus questioning Joran (or at least I hope it wasn't Anita asking him direct, ewwww). But how would Beth know anything from Natalee's side? Maybe it was more Anita telling Beth what she knew?

Did anyone else hear that report and sit up and go "WHAT????" I still cannot get that "delicious boy comment out of my head" - ewww -shudder!

[anniekwa]

what I find stunning in that recording is the fact that none of the three stooges expresses confusion about Natalee, or shock that she disappeared. No "Oh my God, what do YOU think happened?" or "I can't believe it! She was right there on the beach where I left her!". It's a given she's gone, period.

These are very cool customers for 17, 18 and 21 year old "boys".

Posted by: Pearly | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:33 PM

Or at least that we know of. But I think you are correct in that assessment because you would think they would want to have been part of the search party and had volunteered immediately, but NONE of them volunteered to search, not even Paulus! Now that I find interesting! If my son had been last seen with a missing girl, I would darn well want to be out there searching, especially if I truly believed in their innocence!

[Roxanne]

Just thought you, David Holloway and Beth Twitty would be interested in this article, that is an investigation by students of Garfield High School in Seattle into "Rave" parties and what goes on there: http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=garfield&date=20060402&query=rave+party
If you cannot bring it up, do an archive search of the Seattle Times for the Garfield High article on rave parties published in the Fall of 2005.

Roxanne

[Pearly]

Anniekwa,

I'd forgotten about the search, but you're right about that too. None of them have expressed any shock at the fact that their newfound friend went missing. "And shucks, right after I saw her!"

I guess that's another sign of a sociopath---forgetting to check how other people would react before performing their innocent routine. Like Scott Peterson.

[chip]

GVC arrested on drug charges....
last night cable news speculates date rape drugs ( still stuck on that )
where is aruba located....?.....what drugs are imported from that area of the world?

prior to the trip....
who in alabama had connections in aruba? (possibly from something like myspace or an older siblings trip?

where were the chaprones through all this....what did they see?

[nelson from new york]

Or at least that we know of. But I think you are correct in that assessment because you would think they would want to have been part of the search party and had volunteered immediately, but NONE of them volunteered to search, not even Paulus! Now that I find interesting! If my son had been last seen with a missing girl, I would darn well want to be out there searching, especially if I truly believed in their innocence!

Posted by: anniekwa | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:38 PM

After all the insult I have gotten the first night from the Twitty's gang you think I would be still friendly with these people!!! HELL NO!!!.
Its understandable that your daughter is missing and being all stressed out about but to start accusing people right away with no evidence what so ever is not the way to get a solution either just common sense and phycology.

[windy city]

I, and many other people like myself, no longer wish to read/hear/look at the Holloway case. We tried long and hard. She did make her own choices.

Posted by: Mallowmar | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 11:10 AM

there must be a reason you are here. I think you are addicted. I know I am!

[meso]

Someone was arrested today, not positively identified though because they had a white T-shirt pulled over there head going into the police station. I suspect Micheal Dompig but I dont think anyone knows for sure yet.

[nelson from NYC]

Chip first the date rape drug or what they call GHB does not exist in Aruba!!!. The media wants to compare Aruba to any streets here in the USA, does not work the same way, after 11 months you would think that the media has gotten the big picture, still they dont even have a remote clue of this island and seems like they dont care either. They can just go on ranting and pulling more stories out of a hat.

[anniekwa]

Nelson, they didn't accuse Joran of anything. They asked him where Natalee was. They only wanted to know her whereabouts. They believed this was alive (with all their hearts) at that time. They just wanted to know where she was. Yes, they may have been a bit stern because they had FEAR that they may never see their daughter again and guess what? It was validated fear! However, no matter how "nasty" someone might come and approach me when their child is missing, I would still want to help search for them. If nothing else it would "clear" my name, but more because I would CARE what had happened to that person. I don't like harm to come to anyone, especially if I thought I had left them in good health. Joran and Paulus don't show any compassion or concern for a missing young girl and that is pathetic. Sure they may not have been pleased with the approach the girl's family had made, but does that mean you loose all compassion for a young person like that? NO!

[meso]

Nelson, ALE asked John Walsh to run a segment in the US asking if anyone had ever purchased the drug "GHB" from GVC. That makes it a bit hard to believe it does not exist as you say.

[windy city]

Someone was arrested today, not positively identified though because they had a white T-shirt pulled over there head going into the police station. I suspect Micheal Dompig but I dont think anyone knows for sure yet.

Posted by: meso | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:56 PM

If Dompig's kid is involved in this, then Gerald needs to fry. It would explain many of his actions. Or lack of actions.

[meso]

It remains to be seen, it might not even be related to the case however there was talk from Jossy last night that Micheal Dompig would be arrested this weekend. I'm sure we will know by the end of the day if it was him.

[anniekwa]

meso - thanks for the heads up on the arrest today. I flipped on the news to see if they identify who it was. ALso, thanks for the info about John Walsh. That is interesting. The prosecutor is still saying Joran is the primary suspect so it sounds like they are looking at GVC as a drug supplier in this case and maybe trying to tie him to Joran?

[Pearly]

Anniekwa is right again. Though the Twitty's were aggressive, the VDS and Deepak should have been flabbergasted at the news! THEY should have been asking questions, not screaming "Don't say a word, Joran!" THEY should have invited the crew in and maybe even began a search THEN.

No concern whatsoever about the pretty blonde tourist Joran slobbered over the night before. Very telling indeed.

[windy city]

Chip first the date rape drug or what they call GHB does not exist in Aruba!!!. The media wants to compare Aruba to any streets here in the USA, does not work the same way, after 11 months you would think that the media has gotten the big picture, still they dont even have a remote clue of this island and seems like they dont care either. They can just go on ranting and pulling more stories out of a hat.

Posted by: nelson from NYC | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:57 PM

Nelson,
Drugs are readily available and cheap in Aruba. Coke is about a tenth of the price there vs. the us.
I've never seen ghb but if you can get it here, you bet your a** you can get it there.

[windy city]

No concern whatsoever about the pretty blonde tourist Joran slobbered over the night before. Very telling indeed.

Posted by: Pearly | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 02:06 PM

Something like "people with nothing to hide, hide nothing"?