Natalee Holloway - Quick Update

Yes, I know the FBI is re-contacting the MB students. As apparently someone is posting it around the Internet, it's true. But I also gather the FBI is asking for some disgression from individuals they apparently aren't getting, as some seem compelled to post everything out on the web.

A few less seeking their fifteen minutes and more honest co-operation with the investigation might do everyone interested in justice a little good.

My guess is that to some extent they are also trying to penetrate through some of the myths of this investigation in an attempt to get to the truth, some of which may not align with certain notions of what individuals were up to and involved with during their Aruban vacation last year.

I mean that in a very general way and it is not specifically directed at Natalee. But as some have always felt, it is plausible that some people talking of the trip may know a bit more than what was ever let on. Hopefully some sound investigation on both sides of the ocean will yield some results. If nothing else, the investigation certainly has a feel of momentum and possibly a direction it previously lacked.

Only time will tell. Like many, I am well past the point of wanting it to end, successfully, ofcourse..

Comments

[CindyLouWho]

....If nothing else, the investigation certainly has a feel of momentum and possibly a direction it previously lacked.

Only time will tell. Like many, I am well past the point of wanting it to end, successfully, ofcourse..

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Hey Dan... some of us are crawling back out of the woodwork so to speak!! I started reading back here a few days ago knowing you'd have the most honest and accurate "take" of what's going on. I'm looking forward to more news in the near future. Perhaps a lot of what's true and what has been pure speculation can get sorted out and the truth will come to light!!

[IamCanadian]

posting where?

[anniekwa]

Thanks Dan. It does the family disservice for the MB kids to not reveal all they know to the authorities in this case, even if it isn't going to be popular with the family. Bottom line, they need to know the truth, even if it hurts. The not knowing is far worse pain in the long-run.

So based on this re-questioning, what is your theory? Is this anything to do with the new suspect and would it help the J2K's out or does it still keep them under suspicion?

[Dan]

Not sure - but I think the new detainee may prove to be key. Just a hunch for now. But he was definitely in the mix with the MB kids in some way.

[IamCanadian]

Dan,
I've been lurking for quite awhile, and read the blog before going on to MSM for updates, it is more informative. Thanks.

[jimdandy]

Dan,
It amazing me that you are implying that the MB kids are hiding something, and are calling for them to be truthful and forthcoming.
Why aren't you insisting that J2K, Paulus, Anita, Dompig, etc, be truthful and forthcoming? That is the first degree of separation.......looking past that is??? The Truth starts with the last three known to be with Natalee....Only after that Truth is out there, then we can proceed...

[IamCanadian]

Not sure - but I think the new detainee may prove to be key. Just a hunch for now. But he was definitely in the mix with the MB kids in some way.

Posted by: Dan | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 12:48 AM

Drugs. seems most logical.

[anniekwa]

jimdandy and Dan - the truth needs to come from ALL sides or else this will never go anywhere. I agree with both of you, because I think the suspects and their families and lawyers need to be telling the truth as well as those from MB.

[Sharonywr]

Okay, I think that some of these kids from MB, now that they are away from home and not afraid of parental backlash, since they are on their own for a year or so, may be able to come forth and admit some "doings" that they were not willing to reveal a year ago, while they were still under the influence of their parents.

They still had a kid's mentality then, since they had just graduated. Now maybe they aren't so afraid of it. I have a son that has been in college for a couple of years now and it is amazing how he isn't afraid to tell me everything now that he isn't under my roof.

[jimdandy]

Found on another site that makes sense:
Bodo Says:

April 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 am
I am still haunted by the suspicion that there are clues
to what happened to Natalee in the transcript of that
secretly recorded conversation these boys had.

Well, my nephew, who is a Missouri Platte County
Sheriff’s detective in the investigative division, is in town
to attend his brother’s wedding Sunday afternoon and
both of them came by this evening. I am always curious
about his job an so we talked a lot about his police work
and then before they left I turned our conversation to
the Holloway case in Aruba and asked him if he would
read that transcript.

He spent about 15 minutes studying it and then smiled
and said that he believes the boys did not know they was
being recorded and that in his opinion those boys probably
did rape Natalee but probably did not kill her. He said they
probably covered their crimes against Natalee by ditching
her in a skid row area of the city where there is a high
population of vagrants, junkies and crack houses and
where she, in her intoxicated condition and probably
drugged, is almost certain to be victimized and raped
again. Police focus would then be on those offenders if
she was lucky enough to regain a sober mind and survive.
And the crimes of the boys against her would almost
surely go uninvestigated. He said it happens a whole lot
more than most people can imagine.

Damn! I think he might be on to something there and I
have read that transcript several times again after my
nephews left and it is like almost everything those boys
said to one another makes some sense now. I think they
did rape Natalee and I think they are responsible for her disappearance. But I also think they probably didn’t kill
her and probably really didn’t know if she was alive or
dead when they had that conversation. That is a 100
percent departure from all that I have suspected about
the J2K gang since last June but at least it makes some
sense.

I think Dave, Jug and the Alabama crew should have
stayed the course when they started raiding the crack
houses and it just might be that they could have rescued
Natalee before she was killed. And I still think the J2K
trio should be hung by their necks!

[seagirl]

GVC:
*Ran the watersports for the MB kids and had access to catamarans/boats.
*Sold drugs to the MB kids (they left this out when questioned for fear of getting in trouble).
*Was at C+Cs at least 1 night of the 2 that the MB kids were there.
*Is the blue-eyed Dutch boy NH was attracted to on her trip, and his DNA is probably the unidentified DNA on NH's toothbrush.
Don't know more than that, but this is all starting to piece itself together...so I'm cautiously optimistic....

[IamCanadian]

hmmmm, skid row. makes sense when it was said she'll show up in a crack house. but, its one of many exponded theories. food for thought. again. Notice that Satish is hardly ever in the picture thru out this whole fiasco.

[bryan]

Seagirl -

What is your source for all of those claims?

[David1017]

she dont like; she dont like...........cocaine.

[IamCanadian]

here they come.

[seagirl]

What is your source for all of those claims?

^^^^^

Just my take on things.

[camcneish]

I just had this thought after reading everyones post,
wonder if this could be the guy that joren said he passed on the beach? that looked at him strangly? remember? or am i loosing my mind??? what are your thoughts??

[camcneish]

scratch that! I can't believe I am thinking this way. Too many involved!! Too many cover ups!! After all, he is doing what his folks tell him to do, they know the law. The place is corrupt, and the boys are all gonna rat on the folks, well, then that would probably be covered up too, so the story of the crack houses, is what it will end up being, but I don't buy it!! just my opinion

[IamCanadian]

There was a full moon that night on the 30th, I've been reading that they have a full moon party between the Mariot and the HI.
Re: full moon party
Author: Scott (68.208.2.---)
Date: 06-16-03 12:00

The full moon parties are held at Moomba Beach, (between the Marriot and Holiday Inn) once a month. I think it is on the 11th next month, not sure. Not sure of the color either, last week was black and May was white FWIW.

[seagirl]

It has been confirmed that Michael Dompig, son of Gerold, worked on the Visibility Team with GVC.
2 weeks after she went missing, MD told DH he'd heard NH had been taken out to sea. Hmm...

[exilesanctuary.com]

GVC:
e*Ran the watersports for the MB kids and had access to catamarans/boats.
*Sold drugs to the MB kids (they left this out when questioned for fear of getting in trouble).
*Was at C+Cs at least 1 night of the 2 that the MB kids were there.
*Is the blue-eyed Dutch boy NH was attracted to on her trip, and his DNA is probably the unidentified DNA on NH's toothbrush.
Don't know more than that, but this is all starting to piece itself together...so I'm cautiously optimistic....

Posted by: seagirl | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:18 AM
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If he hung out at C and Cs, it seems even more likely that he had to have some familliarity with J2K. But, even if he didn't, his relationship with michael Dompig probably explains why GVC's name hasn't surfaced in relation to this case. I think J2k know more, but, that GVC is the key.

GVC's lawyers make a big deal out of his not being on the visibility team in May, but, his family owned the company. Just like Darryl Littlejohn, the accused murderer of Imette St. Guillen, wore US Marshall uniforms, GVC may have worn an official shirt to seem trustworthy. He was good-looking, and wearing a cop shirt would have put a possible victim completely off-guard. He also had access to boats.

[exilesanctuary.com]

she dont like; she dont like...........cocaine.

Posted by: David1017 | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:28 AM
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It's SHE DON'T LIE!! SHE DON'T LIE! Cocaine! ;)

[jill]

David: are you trying to say that Natalee didn't like cocaine?

[jalssl]

Joran admitted in the transcripts that they were all involved in something bad. He was pissed off at the Kalpoes for bringing his father into the fray. They all seemed on edge. They were all scared because they thought everyone had spilled the beans. The cops tricked them. They admitted indirectly that they were all involved to some point in the crime/

[IamCanadian]

You know what makes me sick, is that the posters on this blog are talking about their theories, calling each other down etc etc. its a forum to spew their hatred and ideas and whatever to whom ever that cares to respond, FACT IS a young woman-girl WHATEVER, is still missing or dead. So you guys/gals - get the f*** with the program! ALE coverups, aliens, drugs, this case may never be solved, but you will be still on this. As for Beth haters, she has kept her daughter in the msm and blog highlights-good for her! The J2K have some doings in her "disapearance", but until someone shoots off at the mouth, we will not know until Joran decides when its a time to tell all. good nite. I am gonna get another canadian beer and watch mythbusters.

[IamCanadian]

oh, one more thing, what if she was not that intoxicated. she would have had a horrible horrible shit ass experience before (if)she died, . anybody think about that while your dissing her for being an irronsible teen.

[Ruddy]

Reward money to big for her to be in some crackhouse. Someone would talk.

Your cousin is partially right, they did rape her IMO.

[srew]

Dompig's son told Holloway's father that he heard other kids talk about Natalie being sent out to sea. That may be the reason chief Dompig was let go. His son may be the next arrested person. He worked with Geoffrey on the beach.

[Carpe Noctem]

I WANNA BE A COWBOY, BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I CAN SMELL A DOMPIG FROM A MILE AWAY.

-- KID ROCK "COWBOY"
(my own special version)
;-)

[TuxedoJunction]

GVC:
*Was at C+Cs at least 1 night of the 2 that the MB kids were there.

Posted by: seagirl | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 01:18 AM
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And I received this in August from a Mother of one student on the trip:
OK - I'll cut to the chase. Here are the facts as I know them
Parents of student participants who were under the age of 18 yrs at the time of the trip, were required to sign a Waiver releasing www.Gotravel.com from liability during the trip. The Waiver also addressed the issue of underage alcohol etc.
The alcohol flowed excessively for four solid days.
Upon arrival, the kids received their room assignments. Roommate assignments were limited to same sex assignments. Moving forward, sleeping arrangements were managed independently.
The kids adopted Carlo's and Charlies's as the unofficial, but agreed upon, after hours meeting place EACH NIGHT during the trip.

[Berry]

On Greta, Dave Holloway described an encounter with Michael Dompig at the Holiday Inn. He said he was there and noticed some girls being begged or urged or bullied, by someone who turned out to be Michael Dompig, into going with him to C and C's. This alarmed Greta and she probed, asking Holloway to describe exactly how Dompig the junior, was trying to get the girls at the hotel to go the the bar. Apparently Dave noticed the group, heard the conversation and wondered if there was trouble - although now he downplays it.

Now Dave has been told that Cromfoirt was at C and C's at least one night when Natalee was there. His people are working to get more info - but it is a fact, according to him, that Cromfoirt was there with Natalee. He did not seem vague.

Jossie then came on and said Michael Dompig is rumored to be the next arrestee. It cannot be a coincidence that Domig was "give a new portfolio" 10 days before VanCromfoirt's arrest. It's pretty obvious cops are trying to avoid a further conflict.

[Curious]

Wonder what truth there is to Dompigs son being arrested in the near future ? What the hell
is going on on that drug infested, mafia controlled island anyway ? Damn, I guess money talks and they are all padding each other pockets.

[Curious]

Oh, by the way, i saw your post IAMCANDIAN. Love it. You tell em!! Hell yeah. agreed 100%.

[Berry]

If he hung out at C and Cs, it seems even more likely that he had to have some familliarity with J2K. But, even if he didn't, his relationship with michael Dompig probably explains why GVC's name hasn't surfaced in relation to this case. I think J2k know more, but, that GVC is the key.

GVC's lawyers make a big deal out of his not being on the visibility team in May, but, his family owned the company. Just like Darryl Littlejohn, the accused murderer of Imette St. Guillen, wore US Marshall uniforms, GVC may have worn an official shirt to seem trustworthy. He was good-looking, and wearing a cop shirt would have put a possible victim completely off-guard. He also had access to boats.

Posted by: exilesanctuary.com
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There is also the report that an attempted burglary (someone trying to get in the slider) of Natalee's room took place during the trip. When one of the girls heard the door and got up to look, she saw someone in a security shirt duck around the corner of the building. I'm assuming the person was wearing a security looking shirt.

I don't see a DNA match to the toothbrush, but maybe that blockbuster news would be kept quiet.

[Berry]

Joran admitted in the transcripts that they were all involved in something bad. He was pissed off at the Kalpoes for bringing his father into the fray. They all seemed on edge. They were all scared because they thought everyone had spilled the beans. The cops tricked them. They admitted indirectly that they were all involved to some point in the crime/

Posted by: jalssl
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No he didn't. They seem not to know what the hell happened except what cops TOLD them happened. All hearing a different version of events. Cops even tried to scare them with Natalee ghost stories. There was not admission of guilt, knowledge or anything. No one from Greta to Abrams sees that transcript as anything other than the trio sniping at one another based on having read declarations of each other which were creatively prepared by cops. It's really pretty obvious.

[heatherson]

Aruba is a very small island. The chances of the "baddies" not knowing of each other at all are remote.

The announcement that JVDS did not "know" a prospective baddie came out in the media very, very quickly. Who believes JVDS now anyway? Who believes a pathological liar?

By the way, a pathological liar is a sociopath. Sociopaths have very little conscience, if any. They fill the prisons of the world. They are centered on themselves and saving their own butts, no matter who else suffers. Check your college psychology textbooks. JVDS may not have committed ultimate crimes, but he did leave NH on a beach, in the dark,
by herself, in a possibly vulnerable state of consciousness, and that in itself constitutes a high level of negligence.

So-do you think JVDS knows of most "of" the baddies in Aruba? Bet you dollars to donuts he does- and has lied yet again. He will continue to lie over and over again to protect his butt, his family, and because lying has become a way of life for him.

[Kafka]

@ JIMDANDY

"I think they did rape Natalee and I think they are responsible for her disappearance. But I also think they probably didn’t kill
her and probably really didn’t know if she was alive or
dead when they had that conversation. That is a 100
percent departure from all that I have suspected about
the J2K gang since last June but at least it makes some
sense."

Not very logical: If she was raped and they did not know for sure she was dead, then they were at risk that - being alive - NH should point at them later on as the person(s) who raped her.

[josh in china]

It can rightly be suggested that there is a nefarious element to the powerful people, locally. Moreover, they certainly do not favor the unwelcomed limelight that potentially exposes just how untransparent the tiny self-governing island's government truly operates.

Sometimes in life, an incident like the Natalee one causes a chain of reactions that brings down the house. Investigating the whereabouts of the missing girl brings forth a deeper investigation of peripheral matters, and perhaps will uncover disturbing facts that are ubrelated to the case.

There may indeed be people who have nothing to do with Natalee, yet have reason to fear the implications of a wider investigation that might naturally expand outward from the Natalee investigation.

[heatherson]

josh- That seems so possible. Aruba seems to have changed since becoming self-governing. We were there before that time.

The island is beautiful in a desert-like way, has great beaches, but seems to have gone downhill since it gained more freedom from the Netherlands. We feel that the Dutch did a good job of governing the Netherlands Antilles. We resided in Curacao for several years. Aruba was our "neighbor." Now it has become a more unruly place.

[Berry]

So-do you think JVDS knows of most "of" the baddies in Aruba? Bet you dollars to donuts he does- and has lied yet again. He will continue to lie over and over again to protect his butt, his family, and because lying has become a way of life for him.

Posted by: heatherson |

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You are an example of a case follower who cannot get past Joran - no matter what. If there was a link to Joran every media hound, tab writer and the family would already be discussing it. And Joran would be in handcuffs in a jail in Holland.

Get over yourself. Shake off that ugly bias. Joran did not know Geoff. And while you are at it, do some research on pathological liar. He's not that either.

[Kafka]

O.K. Start cleaning up your own house!

Birmingham (AL) Crime Report

Murder: 85
Forcible Rape: 204
Robbery: 1,352
Aggravated Assault: 1,706

Data Source:
2003 FBI Report of Offenses Known to Law Enforcement

[heatherson]

Actually research has been done about "pathological" liar. He appears to be that, with continuous lies since the very beginning of this case. One lie after another- a huge pile of lies. Lies which have been used to try to confuse law enforcement or anyone seeking the truth, including detectives. It is the detectives who will eventually break this case wide open.

There is no bias, just the desire most people in the world today have for justice to be done in this case. This is a very, very high profile case. It includes leaders of states in the U.S., powerful media outlets, and many who are not yet known, who want to see justice for visitors to places like Aruba.

JVDS & the Ks may not have committed ultimate crimes, but they were highly negligent and that should not be overlooked just because GVC has been arrested. There is a difference between "knowing" someone and "knowing of" someone. It is highly unlikely that JVDS-the liar-did not know "of" another Hollander who was interested in female tourists.

Also, name-calling only shows the character of the person doing the name-calling. So people need not stoop to that! Sticks and stones, Berry.

[Skye]

Joran did not know Geoff. And while you are at it, do some research on pathological liar. He's not that either.

Posted by: Berry | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 08:26 AM

Joran is a compulsive pathological liar. Did you expect him to say he knows GVC? Joran has told so many lies he has to keep lying to cover up those lies.

[heatherson]

OK- A question- did JVDS, PVDS, or the 2Ks help in the search for Natalee Holloway?

[goodgirl.]

heatherson at one point joran offered but never actualy helped... unless you count the part where he told them she was in the ground by the FH.

[Skye]

Joran doesn't want her to be found. He is free as long as she is gone.

"when you have no body, you have no case" Paulus van der Sloot quote.

[DennisAOK]

If there was a link to Joran every media hound, tab writer and the family would already be discussing it. And Joran would be in handcuffs in a jail in Holland.

Posted by: Berry | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 08:26 AM

There IS a link and they ARE discussing it. What is lacking is conclusive evidence he committed a felony. That's why he's not in jail. Stay tuned.

[Kafka]

@heatherson

"This is a very, very high profile case. It includes leaders of states in the U.S., powerful media outlets, and many who are not yet known, who want to see justice for visitors to places like Aruba."
This is really pathetic!

Come and see how many visitors from the U.S. are enjoying their say at Aruba Paradise at the moment!

"...includes leaders of states in the U.S....

On 09 Dec. 2005 the U.S. Ambassy in the Netherlands informed Dutch
government that the U.S. government is not backing/supporting the call for boycot from governor Riley from Alabama!

"... powerful media..." Fox needs the ratings=money - just that!!!

P.S. You use the word "Hollander" ....makes me thinking...

[Mallowmar]

Joran doesn't want her to be found. He is free as long as she is gone.

"when you have no body, you have no case" Paulus van der Sloot quote.

Posted by: Skye | Saturday, April 22, 2006 at 10:02 AM

How original. A stunning development.

Uh, okay! Can we all go home then?

[Skye]

Is someone one preventing you from going home, Mallowmar?