Natalee Holloway Just News

There new articles out. One in English, one in Dutch - translation below - one from Diario ... could use some help here. Thanks in advance.

An item of which I feel confident - MB kids identified GVC from FBI photos shown to them earlier in the investigation as someone who was somewhat known to certain members of the group.

ORANJESTAD - The Aruban coastguard is conducting searches at sea in the
case of the missing American teenager Natalee. They've been searching
for 4 days now with sonar equipment, the public prosecuters office
stated.

[..]

The public prosecuters also stated that still witnesses are being
questioned. Also there are contacts with the criminal investigation
department of the city Utrecht, The Netherlands, with regard to some
tips that where phoned in.

ABC -- link above April 20, 2006— The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested following "chatter" generated after the Dutch equivalent of "America's Most Wanted" aired a reenactment of Holloway's disappearance, sources told ABC News. Van Cromvoirt's sister, who is a police officer, played an on-camera roll on the program, ABC News has learned.

In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen long suspected in the case, the night of her disappearance. On Wednesday, a similar car was spotted parked in front of van Cromvoirt's gated home.

Van Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Joseph Tacopina, the attorney for van der Sloot. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway had been staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

Comments

[IMHERE]

Prolly alot of white vehicles in Aruba, in warm climates I noticed they have alot of light vehiles.

Hi Kat (devo)

[meso]

Arubiano the transcript is already all over the place even more interesting than the threats of punching each other in the face was Joran saying "I should have killed you" to Deepak.

[meso]

Also the news is now reporting that Polis have said the boys knew they were being taped...doesn't seem that way to me but that is being reported.

[Mom]

I think Joran knew he was being taped

[sunshine@hotmail.com]

It's quite long and I dont have time to translate, only DIARIO publiched it, not the other 2 local papers, so I won't put too much stock in it yet..

Posted by: arubiano | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:25 PM
True and especially The Diario from....Jossy M.

[strayze]

The Diario translation Papiamento to English is over at Scared Monkeys. Greta claims to have had her transcript which was in Dutch retranslated. I'm sure that transcript is now or soon will be available.

[b'hammom]

Damm MB Teens impeding this case more! It's enough to have stupid JVDS and Kalpoes throwing this case for a loop, you would at least think the MB teens would shoot straight. All they keep trying to do is cover up, you know this new guy sold them all x earlier in the trip and that's why they never brought him up till now. It's one thing to let your friend leave drunk with 3 strangers, it's another thing to impede this investigation!!!

Posted by: Charles | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:10 PM

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Charles, you lost me on this one. How are they impeding? (Please don't be confused by the fact that I too am from B'ham. I am WELL aware of how MB kids, specificaly, are a breed unto themselves in so many ways! When you're a kid with too much $$ at your disposal, you think you're 10 feet tall and bullet-proof!)

[Slogger]

Not buying the mysterious white car bit. I mean these boys told every story under the sun in the beginning. Wouldn't they have mentioned the White car right away to get the suspcion off themselves?

They Deepak or Satish, whomever was driving the car would have seen the car they were followed in.

Doesn't wash, believe its a red herring thrown in. Besides, friend called to say that GVC family working to get boy released sometime this weekend.

Posted by: Skyboxx | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:08 PM

It may be a red herring; or, they knew who was in the other car. If the other person was a weak-link, J2K might not have wanted the person revealed.

[dnichols]

They probably think Natalee's body, if in the water, is in a metal fishing trap or steel drum... remember, there is one missing from the broken into fishing hut. this is probably how Steve Croes fits in with his access to a boat, and why he may be the next arrest.

I heard Joe say there is blood on the shirt,(and I thought BHT said not Natalee's) and that he has had access to the FBI files, and had looked them over and had questioned why they did not follow up on the blood on the shirt last year when it was found. He said the Authorities in Aruba had alot of info and evidence that has not been followed up on, due to the fact the police and prosecutor were stuck on this taped conversation between the
3 suspects.

[Slogger]

I think Joran knew he was being taped

Posted by: Mom | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:46 PM

I think he knew. Joran is not dumb; and, he reminded 2K about the phonetap. Not reasonable that he could mention that and not think about current ears listening.

[meso]

I think its obvious ALE at the reigns of Dompig was covering this up. I mean you have a supposed murder case which was stated from the beginning to not contain one shred of evidence. How often does this happen? The perfect crime? please, the reason for the stigma is because there is no such thing as a perfect crime every crime has evidence. Now that you have Dompig removed from the case you have ALE supposedly investigating evidence that was in fact there all along. It is obvious there is some form of coverup the real question is why and what are they covering up?

[wreck]

They probably think Natalee's body, if in the water, is in a metal fishing trap or steel drum... remember, there is one missing from the broken into fishing hut. this is probably how Steve Croes fits in with his access to a boat, and why he may be the next arrest.
I heard Joe say there is blood on the shirt,(and I thought BHT said not Natalee's) and that he has had access to the FBI files, and had looked them over and had questioned why they did not follow up on the blood on the shirt last year when it was found. He said the Authorities in Aruba had alot of info and evidence that has not been followed up on, due to the fact the police and prosecutor were stuck on this taped conversation between the
3 suspects.
Posted by: dnichols | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 04:18 PM

Joe says a lot of things -- mostly hearsay from Julia Renfro and "Refugees".

It's also "hearsay" but JQK says KJ told him that there is NO forensic evidence on the shirt that contains relevance to Natalee or GVC. In fact, he says the "shirt" had nothing to do with GVC's arrest.

[meso]

Does anyone remember the news report that the body had been found and Beth Twitty being on the way to the scene as reported on FOX news? The video is out there still but I cant find a link to the site.

[Pearly]

Thank you Mom and Slogger!
Sheesh! I was wondering when someone would say that. Of course he knew he was being taped. Don't forget his father had just been released from his "visit" with Joran, and commented that he thought Joran would "hang tough". Anyone that thinks PVDS didn't alert Joran to the bugs in the pokey, believes all the lies Joran's spoon fed 'em.

I can hear the frustration and incredulousness in the Kalpoe's comments. LOL when he puts the onus on them for lying in the beginning, they both say "We lied for YOU!!?!!"

[wreck]

Does anyone remember the news report that the body had been found and Beth Twitty being on the way to the scene as reported on FOX news? The video is out there still but I cant find a link to the site.

Posted by: meso | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 04:31 PM

Well guess who gave her that info and raced with her to the courthouse to FALSE REPORT? -- Julia Renfro

[Slogger]

Meso,

Do you mean June 10? That was when the FBI called BHT; but, wasn't it DH who requested to see the body?

Arubadirtycops might have it. The site has the shots from the video (crime scene workers, etc.)

[dnichols]

remember this story?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63315

[meso]

It was reported that the polis and I believe FBI had told BT the body was found and Nat was dead and BT was on the way to identify the remains. I just watched it a few days ago but can't find it now. Was about 5 minute or so video Fox news reporting.

[windy city]

Meso,

Do you mean June 10? That was when the FBI called BHT; but, wasn't it DH who requested to see the body?

Arubadirtycops might have it. The site has the shots from the video (crime scene workers, etc.)

Posted by: Slogger | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 04:41 PM

I think these were called the "chicago videos"
http://www.arubassilence.com/chicago.htm

[meso]

Found it, check this out:

http://exposetheleft.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-is-dead/

[river45]

Deepak said to Joran "You're going to talk s**t about me that I have buried the girl by fisherman's hut."
Joran said to Deepak "Who said about burying, I said nothing about burying."
Deepak said to Joran "That's what you testified."
Deepak said to Joran "Stop with that bulls**t."
Joran said to Deepak "I said nothing about burying."

This is another compelling excerpt from this supposedly legitimate record of their police van conversation. If Joran had collaborated with Steve Croes to dump the body in the ocean, you would almost expect this type of reaction from him. It looks more and more as if the Kalpoes fled the scene of NH's death, and left Joran and Steve Croes to take care of hiding the body.

Regarding Steve Croes: on July 3rd, 2005, he was interviewed by CNN after being released by the ALE. His demeanour in this interview, particularly at the 3:08 minute mark of the interview betrayed a classic guilty expression. Basically, his facial expression, neck, and head, all froze for about three seconds, and it looked as if he was trying to stare down the interviewer, but without really wanting to. It was the classic expression of a little boy caught red-handed is really the only way I could describe it. It stood out like a sore thumb then, and I'll never forget it.

Does anyone know how to access this interview from the CNN archives? I've searched high and low for it on CNN, but to no avail. Based on what is now known about this case, it would be even more astounding to view this interview with Croes.

[anniekwa]

meso - I vaguely remember that video but for the life of me cannot remember what happened after. Can you refresh my memory? Obviously that wasn't her since her body is still missing, but I don't remember what happened after that report that led to the conclusion that she is still missing.

[jh]

Does anyone else find it very interesting to see all this stuff coming out AFTER Dompig has left and after Beth's done all she's done? I mean, it seems like Dompig left, the new person said "Ignore Beth", and suddenly there are all these leads coming out?

I'm not saying Beth is bad (just focused on her sequence of events that might have cost the truth) , and I'm not saying that JV2K didn't do something.. but.. man.. it's stunning how damn quick things are moving now that Dompig's out and Beth isn't on the nightly news and Dr. Phil

[anniekwa]

windy city - What are those chicago videos about? All I see are people painting rocks white for some reason? I don't understand what was going on and why are they painting rocks?

[anniekwa]

jh - I think that Beth's involvement either way may or may not have an impact on this case. What I suspect has happened is a combination of several things:
1. I think Joe getting his hands on documents made them revisit all the data they had because he clearly was going to work hard to "clear" Joran of the crime (that and the case that Paulus filed).
2. With Dompig removed, everyone was able to go back to the beginning and revisit the case.
3. I think the Aruban citizens are getting sick of the lack of direction in this case and they were beginning to put pressure for a resolution.
4. Karin has probably had a whole team of people studying this case over and over again, looking at the fine details and thus are revisiting information.
5. Dave's book (timing is everything)!
6. The show that aired in Holland allowed for new leads to be called in (although I am still unclear on what scenario they followed and how this "white car" fits in given I have not heard it come from any one close to the case before now).

Beth has remained more diplomatic about the case because she now has someone who can "buffer" between her and the ALE and Prosecutor's offices in Aruba. That probably has helped as well (removes all the emotionalism, but allows for more details information flow).

[justicefornatalee]

Of course Joran and GVC will deny "knowing" one another.

It depends on what you mean by "know."

They don't have to personally know each other or be friends for drug transactions to take place.

Perhaps GVS supplied the drugs to Joran (or K2 ) that overdosed Natalee.

[goodgirl.]

the whole white car bit is kinda throwing me for a loop here.... why is it that after months they say there was a white car. had they known about this in the past but just brushed it off as useless information.
if its new information, is it really crediable heavens knows how many times ... well you know what im getting at.

as long as they follow the true evidence, even if its not what beth wants to hear but is the truth i think things will pan out. as far as aruba getting back to its happy little island, sadly i think this might scar them a bit. its a shame that those who are due to protect you hurt you the most. i hope the people of aruba get justice as well and are more aware of the doings of there judicial and police departments from now on.

[Skyboxx]

The white care is red herring. Also, look at the release dialouge again and then re-read what the AP put out June 11th, 2005. We all remember them going out to see "something"

June 11, 2005
AP NEWS - "Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager in Aruba said one of three young men in custody has admitted “something bad happened” to her during her island visit. Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene."

June 11 was a Saturday and they were repporting what had happened. This was before the so called "taping of the boys which was released today, that was supposedly recorded in June 2005.

I don't think you can say the boys words were twisted, they apparently knew something.

[He_Knew]

I think Joran knew he was being taped

Posted by: Mom | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:46 PM

I think he knew. Joran is not dumb; and, he reminded 2K about the phonetap. Not reasonable that he could mention that and not think about current ears listening.

Posted by: Slogger | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 04:20 PM

And, is it possible that he intended for them to say things they shouldn't? I wonder who was run over by a car? A Chollar? When?

[Skyboxx]

We need an electronic time line on the site, so we can post all the reports as they came out and report who said what on what day ,up to and including Joran's National TV tour earlier this year and Joe Taco's comments of late.

[wreck]

Just a plea. I actually think the "shango posts" have a lot of possibilities. I subscribe to most of it. HOWEVER, we have all seen the actual riddles a thousand times now. If you are going to continue to post them -- PLEASE give us your OWN interpretation of them in LAYMAN'S terms when you re-post them. PLEASE!!!

[mylena]

On the Dutch television show "opsporing verzocht" de Dutch police were asking for leads, also they told the 'facts' as they know them. they run a movie telling about the last day, hours spent by nathalee. In there the police says multiple witnesses have seen white car following NH's car. whether this is old or new I don't know, but the police mentions it in this show. Dan has a link somewhere to this show.

[DennisAOK]

Perhaps GVS supplied the drugs to Joran (or K2 ) that overdosed Natalee.

Posted by: justicefornatalee | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:34 PM

That has been my contention. There could also be an intermediary between them.

anniekwa,

Add pressure from Holland to solve the case.

jh,

Beth IS still on the nightly news. The difference is the removal of the inept and possibly corrupt Dompig, not Beth.

[wreck]

Posted by: wreck | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:50 PM
God, I am getting senile -- did not mean to post that here. (too many tabs open) ;(

[mylena]

Also the Dutch police seen in the show (the utrecht police) were asked for help during the investigation in Aruba and in the interogation, so they are fully aware and knowing about the case

[windy city]

windy city - What are those chicago videos about? All I see are people painting rocks white for some reason? I don't understand what was going on and why are they painting rocks?

Posted by: anniekwa | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:21 PM
It was something I found awhile back. I think it had something to do with reports in early June that Nat's body had been found. And then the statement was retracted. There was talk that this might have been the crime scene.

Not really sure about any of it though.

[anniekwa]

windy city - thanks. I have to wonder why they were painting the rocks. Wouldn't that cover up crime evidence instead?

[windy city]

your OWN interpretation of them in LAYMAN'S terms when you re-post them. PLEASE!!!

Posted by: wreck | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:50 PM

Where has Columbo been?

[Truthinplainsite]

anniekwa and windy city:

The "Red Pickup" that is seen in the chicago videos, is the same type of pickup that is in the picture of GVC and his security buddies...coincidence, I'm sure.

It is kind of wierd that these vidos were supposedly taken in early June and they show the lighthouse area and a bunch of men painting rocks...maybe this is a common occurence in Aruba?

TIPS

[skyboxx]

Speaking of the Dutch, this was reported last October. It seems to me that Aruba official were wary of local ALE..

"Oranjestad – The Chamber of Commerce (KvK) wants an independent investigation to a possible political pressure to the police and the DA. The Chamber of Commerce wants this investigation after the statements of former commissioner Jan van der Straten, who can be considered as a well informed person of Judaical business at high level."

[kat_gram_ aka_devil]

The Natalee is Dead is on the Missing in Aruba website. It was a video from FOX. I'm at work, no time to get it. That websire was intersting, but then they didn't keep it up. Has a whole pile of video links .

[windy city]

windy city - thanks. I have to wonder why they were painting the rocks. Wouldn't that cover up crime evidence instead?

Posted by: anniekwa | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:58 PM

Maybe that was the point!

[hardyandtiny]

Why in the re-enactment video is there a Mexican guy who yells out to the car, "Natalee what are you doing?". Was he an authentic ethnic worker from CnC's who was hanging out with the MB kids?

[windy city]

Why in the re-enactment video is there a Mexican guy who yells out to the car, "Natalee what are you doing?". Was he an authentic ethnic worker from CnC's who was hanging out with the MB kids?

Posted by: hardyandtiny | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 06:03 PM

I also heard that the new suspects sister was in the re-enactment, and that she is a cop.

If true, very strange!

[exilesanctuary.com]

jh - I think that Beth's involvement either way may or may not have an impact on this case. What I suspect has happened is a combination of several things:
1. I think Joe getting his hands on documents made them revisit all the data they had because he clearly was going to work hard to "clear" Joran of the crime (that and the case that Paulus filed).
2. With Dompig removed, everyone was able to go back to the beginning and revisit the case.
3. I think the Aruban citizens are getting sick of the lack of direction in this case and they were beginning to put pressure for a resolution.
4. Karin has probably had a whole team of people studying this case over and over again, looking at the fine details and thus are revisiting information.
5. Dave's book (timing is everything)!
6. The show that aired in Holland allowed for new leads to be called in (although I am still unclear on what scenario they followed and how this "white car" fits in given I have not heard it come from any one close to the case before now).

Beth has remained more diplomatic about the case because she now has someone who can "buffer" between her and the ALE and Prosecutor's offices in Aruba. That probably has helped as well (removes all the emotionalism, but allows for more details information flow).

Posted by: anniekwa | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 05:28 PM
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I think you're assessment is perceptive and the closest to what I believe. Without a doubt, this investigation took on a new course when Tacopina came on board. His investigators weren't turning up every night on Dan Abrams shooting off their mouths in Armani suits. I feel confident that his own investigators have created the imperative to get rid of Dompig, and I now think there is quite a bit of corruption in ALE, and that they've been hiding the ball all along. Add Jossy Mansur, and his self-serving agenda, politics, and power on the island, and his manipulating the victim's family.....

What may be the most tragic is how all of these corrupt agencies, from the American media, to Jossy Mansur used Beth Holloway to serve their own evil enterprises and interests, while the probably perpetrator/s were laughing at the dopes taking the heat.

It will be a beautiful thing to see justice in this case.

Thank you Joe Tacopina.

[wreck]

Where has Columbo been?

Posted by: windy city | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 06:01 PM
... at the place I was trying to respond to! ;)

[windy city]

What may be the most tragic is how all of these corrupt agencies, from the American media, to Jossy Mansur used Beth Holloway to serve their own evil enterprises and interests, while the probably perpetrator/s were laughing at the dopes taking the heat.

It will be a beautiful thing to see justice in this case.

Thank you Joe Tacopina.

Posted by: exilesanctuary.com | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 06:05 PM

I'm not ready to exhonotate them just yet. We still have the fact that they all lied about the HI drop off, and changed stories a few times after that. After reading the transcript of the boys in the squad car I don't buy it was because they were scared. These guys have brass balls. I still feel they know more than they are telling. Hopefully we will find out soon.

[mylena]

they use actors for those movies, quess the sister was just coincidence. There has been a lot of talk about the actors uses, "joran" was suppose to be to black or something, but does it matter,it isn't about the people they use it is just to show what the last hours were like....

[Snoopy]

This could all go back to something bad happening on Croes boat and GVS was there too.

[Sgt. York]

river45,

The reason for that exchange between Joran and Deepak is because, while in custody, Joran asserted that he left Natalee asleap near the fisherman's hut. When Deepak arrived to pick Joran up, Joran stated that he got in the car but Deepak when back to where he left Natalee. The police then asked Joran what he thinks happened and Joran responded, "I think he raped and killed her."

Joran has now stated that was a lie.