Natalee Holloway Just News

There new articles out. One in English, one in Dutch - translation below - one from Diario ... could use some help here. Thanks in advance.

An item of which I feel confident - MB kids identified GVC from FBI photos shown to them earlier in the investigation as someone who was somewhat known to certain members of the group.

ORANJESTAD - The Aruban coastguard is conducting searches at sea in the
case of the missing American teenager Natalee. They've been searching
for 4 days now with sonar equipment, the public prosecuters office
stated.

[..]

The public prosecuters also stated that still witnesses are being
questioned. Also there are contacts with the criminal investigation
department of the city Utrecht, The Netherlands, with regard to some
tips that where phoned in.

ABC -- link above April 20, 2006— The 19-year-old man arrested last weekend as a new potential suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was first questioned by police in the earliest stages of the investigation almost a year ago, ABC News has learned.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested following "chatter" generated after the Dutch equivalent of "America's Most Wanted" aired a reenactment of Holloway's disappearance, sources told ABC News. Van Cromvoirt's sister, who is a police officer, played an on-camera roll on the program, ABC News has learned.

In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen long suspected in the case, the night of her disappearance. On Wednesday, a similar car was spotted parked in front of van Cromvoirt's gated home.

Van Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Joseph Tacopina, the attorney for van der Sloot. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway had been staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

Comments

[Sgt. York]

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RE: "In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot"

Wow. So was this a planned assault involving two cars and several additional people.

[Bob]

i feel the public is still in the dark here

[exilesanctuary.com]

RE: "In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot"

Wow. So was this a planned assault involving two cars and several additional people.

Posted by: Sgt. York | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 01:14 PM
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I have a hard time buying that. Maybe GVC was paged or called on cell to make a drug transaction, though, and he followed them to a more discreet place. GVC is very handsome, and seemed to have no trouble with his pick of girls. Natalee was an attractive girl, but, she isn't the hottest girl that they would have plotted to seduce or rape. I don't think JVDS or GVC were hard up for girls. If GVC was going to follow anyone, he had a bunch of those Alabama friends of Natalee, most of whom were more sexy.

[DoorMart]

This GVC arrest is just another PR stunt by the Arubes. None of the MB kids know of him, or saw him around Natalee...and that is from more credible sources.

Still doesnt explain Joran possibly "getting 15 yrs for that"

[Truthinplainsite]

We would all agree that JVS and GVC could get all the girls they wanted...that is why the answers lie with the Kalpoes...

Bring the K2 brothers, along with their alibi man back in for questioning...

TIPS

[offonatangent]

GVC HAS STATED HE DOES NOT KNOW AND IS NOT FRIENDS WITH JVDS OR K2.
There was no "planned assault" between the two groups. The new suspect does not know the old ones. If anything happened it was not because of a conspiracy among a bunch of 17-20 year old boys in 2 cars. THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN GVC and JVDS OR K2!!! If GVC did something to Natalee it was AFTER JVDS left her at the beach.
LETS STOP TRYING TO CONNECT THE TWO - GVC is a separate suspect and has no connection to the previous suspects - except he may have known Natalee was with them. It does not mean they were plotting together to harm her.
If GVC could blame anything on JVDS don't you think he would? He has already said publicly that he does not know them.

[IMHERE]

Do you think GVC can be held for protection as a witness?

[Freebrid]

Where did the info on the car following Joran & Natalee come from? And how do they know it was parked in from of GVC house the next day? I missed this part somewhere in all the stories or I forgotten it trying to keep up with witch lie came first......

[cricket]

Could the connection be between the fathers? Maybe Paulus and GVC's dad know each other.

[offonatangent]

Do you think GVC can be held for protection as a witness?
Posted by: IMHERE |
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A witness to what - that Natalee was in the car with them? We already have established that fact. And it wasn't like they didn't KNOW the other car was there - they sure weren't gonna do anything with an AUDIENCE.
And then there's that pesky search by Aruba Coast Guard with Sonar that has been going on since GVC was arrested.....one they were trying to keep hush hush. That can ONLY mean one thing, that somehow GVC gave them the idea that Natalee was in the ocean in that general area.

[bryce]

Everyone assumes their is a sexual component to this, mostly because the parents keep yelling rape. Maybe, it is a drug deal gone bad, or just a simple OD, where they got rid of the body.

[Sgt. York]

RAPE AND BRUTALIZING WOMEN IS NOT ABOUT - "GVC is very handsome, and seemed to have no trouble with his pick of girls"

SEE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

[punkingale]

The Birmingham News has an article in today's paper that Beth has received e-mails from different people of GvC & JvS together.

[IMHERE]

Posted by: offonatangent | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 01:42 PM

He was called in initially as a witness and came in on his own, if you recall, then came the drug charges and the exact words escape me now, to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

[offonatangent]

The Birmingham News has an article in today's paper that Beth has received e-mails from different people of GvC & JvS together.
Posted by: punkingale
Photos which have NOT been verified - lots of people (as you can see here) are DETERMINED to keep JVDS connected to this somehow. Because Beth is so invested in the guilt of JVDS and this new development seems to indicate he MIGHT not be involved at all they are merely trying to "help". GVC and his family say that GVC is not friends with JVDS, JVDS says they are not friends. No info has been released as to a connection of any kind between JVDS and GVC....except in the minds of conspiracy constructors.

AND there is a little thing called "Photoshop" - without independent verification by an expert there is no way to tell if any of the photos are "real". I am sure if Beth CAN establish ANY connection she will, but she is oddly silent at the moment.

[moey]

Punkingale Thursday 4/20/06 1:46 p.m.

Those pix are probably the ones displayed on several blogs and they do not show GVC and Joran together, at least not the ones I have seen. There are MB students who have described GVC as a person NH was seen with various times that week. Moey

[curious]

Lets throw this in there.... Fisherman interviewed
Said they NEVER saw anyone on the beach that night
Or and other couples for that matter.. it was stated they saw a white vehicle drive in ( not sure of type)
So if know one was seen , how would that place any of them at the beach?????

[splashtc]

perhaps...GVC was jealous that Natalee went with joran and GVC beat up Joran. That would explain why joran ran away and left his shoes behind. joran also had some marks on him-no?

[Truthinplainsite]

Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction. And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad. I really don’t know.

Kinda of wierd that GVC is being talked about as being a "Beach Bum"...was this an innocent comment from Joran...

TIPS

[Sgt. York]

RE: "GVC was jealous that Natalee went with joran and GVC beat up Joran"

And this explains Joran being a stinking pile of lies for eleven months and even willing to spend the summer in jail rather than tell the truth... how?

[Truthinplainsite]

Joran van der Sloot: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.

This is why he probably will not get an apology...

[windy city]

I am sure if Beth CAN establish ANY connection she will, but she is oddly silent at the moment.

Posted by: offonatangent | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 01:53 PM

I'm sure she id doing exactly what JQK advises her to do.

Keep Quiet until some sense can be made of all this!

[windy city]

Kinda of wierd that GVC is being talked about as being a "Beach Bum"...was this an innocent comment from Joran...

TIPS

Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 02:18 PM

Maybe a freudian(sp) slip?

[IMHERE]

Keep Quiet until some sense can be made of all this!

Posted by: windy city | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 02:23 PM
Always a quiet before the storm

[Bob]

here is my theory - pls let me know what u think

NH and GVC - get all lovee dovee during week - they break up that night at casino (there was an observed argument)
NH probably said she is going home to USA to GVC and their little affair will be over. GVC got all upset and heartbroken - wont hang with her on last night he so upset.

NH goes on a bender with frinds at C&Cs for the last night & leaves bar with JVS - a bit drunk - wanting fun after the breakup

N and JVS and brothers - drive back to hotel

GVC follows in his white car - been watching her - jelous

They stop - big fight - JVC takes off, brthers drive away

Then who knows what happened......

[mom]

In the Dutch reenactment, a mysterious white car follows the one Holloway is in with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen long suspected in the case, the night of her disappearance. On Wednesday, a similar car was spotted parked in front of van Cromvoirt's gated home.

someone please tell me how do they know about the white car? Who would have told that? I just don't get it. This is the first I have heard about this white car.

[Bob]

There is soo much we dont know - and what we know is probably lies

[windy city]

Then who knows what happened......

Posted by: Bob | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 02:30 PM

If this were the case the 3 boys would have had no reason to lie. And sit in the sh*t house for 3 months.

Doesn't work for me

[asking for it]

thank goodness althor is not in here. he is off his rocker a wee bit

[mylena]

@ mom, witnesses have seen a white car following the car where NH was in (this was shown on the Dutch tv show about NH disapperance), that's where it comes from

[not suprised]

I think the media is at a loss. The transcript just looks like the boys trying to put together the stories the cops had been telling them each other said while they were locked up. No one knows how GVC fits into this picture. Dan seems convinced that there is something to it though... I will be interested to see if the sonar finds anything different. Any news from Aruba?

[goodgirl.]

NH is a very pretty girl. but shes not "hot". theres no way i can beleive that she had to aruban guys fighting over her. if joran had known this new suspect had anything to do with it he would of surely played his cards.

i keep reading conflicting info.... was gvc employeed the day NH went missing?
i realise he worked for the company at some point.... but thats not so importiant as the dates he worked there.

if he had worked with the company at the time he could of erased what was on the tapes.
but ive herd he did or he didnt work durring that time.

if he wasnt working durring that time im betting they tie him to the whole deal by saying he supplied drugs.

or he could be sitting in there b/c he likes to run his mouth and show out so to speak and said some bogus line of crap about NH to someone who phoned him in to the tipline.

[DennisAOK]

Bob,

No one saw Natalee back at the hotel.

[mom]

Even with the sonar... after a year could there be anything left of her body if it was dumped in the water?

In regards to the white car again. Is this new or did we know about when this first happened? I just don't remember hearing anything about this car.

[Lexy]

thank goodness althor is not in here. he is off his rocker a HUGE bit.

Posted by: asking for it | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 02:37 PM

There I fixed your statement a wee bit. ;>))

[DennisAOK]

offonatangent,

I agree with you about the photos.

I don't agree with you that continuing to suspect Joran is subscribing to conspiracy theories. Beth's reaction is entirely reasonable. Joran's behavior is not consistent with innocence. We just don't know what the cops have on GVC. Until we do, it's still a puzzle and Joran remains a suspect.

[TJ]

"An item of which I feel confident - MB kids identified GVC from FBI photos shown to them earlier in the investigation as someone who was somewhat known to certain members of the group."

What makes you feel confident about this? Now with GVC photo posted all over the web - have any MB kids made any statements openly or on other blogs?
Just curious.

[DennisAOK]

The beach story was a lie made up after the boys got caught in the HI lie. No cameras at the beach. No one can disprove the story.

[asking for it]

you may be soooooooo right DennisAOK

[Skyboxx]

IMHO, the Dutch to English translation of the boys comments are much more condemning then those released by main stream media.

It's clear that the boys had been "worked over" verbally by ALE. Refrences by Deepak and Satish, saying we told that "Lie for you, we lied for you". This indicates some interaction with Joran and NH beyond a ride in the care, some heaving petting and a walk on the beach.

We also have Joe Taco now saying, without doubt that Joran left NH Drunk on the beach. Contrast that with Joran's comments on national TV earlier this year, when he said words to the affect "No, she was fine"

Clearly Joran is accustomed to lying regulary and it gets him tripped up. Lets say the death was accidental, no foul play at all. The girl did get washed out to sea as some claim. What now for Joran? Why is Joe Taco trying now to establish that NH is alive but passed out on the beach? Answer, Joran is a heel, but not a murderer. Can the case be summed up like that?

[Skyboxx]

Not buying the mysterious white car bit. I mean these boys told every story under the sun in the beginning. Wouldn't they have mentioned the White car right away to get the suspcion off themselves?

They Deepak or Satish, whomever was driving the car would have seen the car they were followed in.

Doesn't wash, believe its a red herring thrown in. Besides, friend called to say that GVC family working to get boy released sometime this weekend.

[Charles]

Damm MB Teens impeding this case more! It's enough to have stupid JVDS and Kalpoes throwing this case for a loop, you would at least think the MB teens would shoot straight. All they keep trying to do is cover up, you know this new guy sold them all x earlier in the trip and that's why they never brought him up till now. It's one thing to let your friend leave drunk with 3 strangers, it's another thing to impede this investigation!!!

[Skyboxx]

This is interesting news just reported in Expatica Dutch news. WWW.Expatica.com NOTICE THE COMMENT ABOUT JORAN.

"Aruban police arrested another Dutch person, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, on Saturday after the case was featured on crimestoppers programme 'Opsporing Verzocht' in Aruba and in the Netherlands.

The OM said van Cromvoirt, 19, is being held as a suspect not a witness, but Van der Sloot remains the main suspect."

[DennisAOK]

mom,

My understanding is that a body would need to be placed far out to sea - a mile or two - for it not to wash back to shore. To prevent this they would need to weigh body down or put it in a container. If so, there would be remains.

[Righty-Tighty]

WHAT IF.... Joran does know something, is innocent of Natalee's demise, but not so innocent of hiding evidence or information due to threats to himself, his father, etc. Maybe he doesn't tell the truth yet because he still is scared. I know I may be way off, but I recall in the early part of this investigation, I had a feeling they were all covering for someone (or something)---not out of loyalty, but fear. I think we all agree they are shallow cowards. And that Croes guy...something smells fishy about him.

[arubiano]

The article in Diario today references a SUPPOSED audio transcript of conversation between Joran, Deepak, & Satish, written up SUPPOSEDLY by a police officer on June 29 last year.

I don't put too much stock in what I read in Diario, but in essence what I found interesting was mention of the following:

Joran stating that the 2 bros can make this good, then Satish saying to Joran you need to just speak the truth..

Joran says don't you think the police would be interested in knowing that you hit the girl with the car. Then Satish says dont make me laugh, man.

Jorran stating numerous times he's gonna slap the 2 brothers in the face.

It's quite long and I dont have time to translate, only DIARIO publiched it, not the other 2 local papers, so I won't put too much stock in it yet..

[windy city]

Damm MB Teens impeding this case more! It's enough to have stupid JVDS and Kalpoes throwing this case for a loop, you would at least think the MB teens would shoot straight. All they keep trying to do is cover up, you know this new guy sold them all x earlier in the trip and that's why they never brought him up till now. It's one thing to let your friend leave drunk with 3 strangers, it's another thing to impede this investigation!!!

Posted by: Charles | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:10 PM

I think you are reaching here a bit. I've only heard rumors but not a credible source.

[IMHERE]

Posted by: Skyboxx | Thursday, April 20, 2006 at 03:18 PM

What is OM?

[iloveaustinames]

even if i did buy drugs from some guy, i would just tell the ALe OR FBI that "drug dealer geoff" was following natalee and they had been together all week, and i dont know for sure he was a drug dealer but thats just what i heard... i just cant believe that the MB kids would ALL collectively lie, too many people, one would have come forward and said that, thats if she had any real friends. or if the ALE knew this the whole time and never followed up on it then they should be included in that lawsuit.

[kat_gram_ aka_devil]

Whole bunch of nothing with GVC. Possession of drugs. ? Didn't
go to his house.

They are holding him to make him talk.

Maybe he was in the white vehicle. How many white vehicles are there in Aruba ? And where did that come from?

Ultrecht ? Hmmm. Someone that was in Aruba and now in Holland ?