Natalee Holloway - Quick Update

Can't say much but based on a few bits of info received today from sources I have good reason to trust, I'm somewhat optimistic for the first time in months that this mystery may eventually come to an end.

I also think some are going to play it close to the vest in the meantime, possibly for different reasons. While I know there is some controversy as to whether some in MB including Natalee knew the individual currently being detained, or not - I'm confident some, including Natalee, did. But remember, it was a large group of students from MB. Just because someone says they weren't aware of it, it doesn't mean they are lying.

My info comes from a reliable source not aligned with either group, side, or lawyer but in a position to know.

Comments

[Arubaanse]

Let's wait and see what's next...ach, and i'm getting sick and tired of the Media!

[david r]

Dan, any chance this is the guy who was the "Dutch marine" or some such that Natalee was supposed to have partied with ?

[Dan]

If you mean the guy NH was allegedly smitten with, I don't know.

[Taylor]

"VAN SUSTEREN: But you weren't here, so how would you be in a position to even know who this young man was?

HOLLOWAY: Through some of her classmates. And this young man had spent time with these children. He had been with them for a couple of days. They knew this young man. They knew his first name. They had spent hours with him. So it wasn't a secret. It wasn't a secret who she left with."

I'ts statements such as this that makes me feel as though they are not talking about Joran. Joran is younger than the MB "children", that would make him a "child" as well. So, the "young man" in question most likely is older than the MB "children".

[charles-1]

Dutch marines are usually only stationed on Aruba for 9 months and would have a very obvious look; They are (because of there selection and training) considered special forces by some and due tend to look very beefed up with a distinctive hair due. GvS does (to me) not look like one, although he has apparently been bragging a lot about himself and maybe he used the marine story to look more interesting.

[josh in china]

For GVC's sake, I hope that he has nothing to do with all of this. Seems like he had an ideal life down there.

[iwabwu]

I'ts statements such as this that makes me feel as though they are not talking about Joran. Joran is younger than the MB "children", that would make him a "child" as well. So, the "young man" in question most likely is older than the MB "children".

Posted by: Taylor | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 08:35 PM

Joran is about 9 months younger than Natalee. I think Joran was much larger than most of the MB kids ~ well over 6 feet tall. I recall that many thought he was a student from the Netherlands. He is in the same age group as the MB kids. Graduated last year from high school and went off to college, same as the MB kids did last year. Greta uses the term 'young man' ~ I believe all the MB kids, and people all over, are a year older than they were last year. Natalee has been missing for almost a year. After their experience in Aruba, I would think the MB children have grown up. My opinions.

[weet weet]

apparently rita "gotta clear my throat" cosby is playing a "secret conversation"between joran and deepak shortly.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Not this shit again ! !

Na na na na boo boo

I know something you don't . Pleeeeaaase don't do this ! !

[FloridaPatty]

Can split hairs over descriptions, can debate IF he worked on the beach in May-June (which would be more relevent) what I am curious about is what name he coughed up. That's the latest. My guess is we'll know by Saturday who that is.

Steve Croes?

They seem to have the blonde fellow related to drug selling. Could it be he supplied drugs, a source for anyone interested in something to enhance their vacation experience? Who remembers the face of a guy in the middle of a crowd when they don't really know him.

Easier for him to remember one then them to remember one.

[Dan]

apparently rita "gotta clear my throat" cosby is playing a "secret conversation"between joran and deepak shortly.

yeah. the one OReilly read earlier. There's nothing to it if you break it down.

[Dan]

or is this a new one recorded by Jamie Skeeters?? lol Whatever happened to him?

[Dan]

I think he had drugs on him when he was arrested, not sure about any selling charge.

[josh in china]

Or the drug charge, while legitimate, was included to help bolster the prosecution's effort to have him held the additional 8 days.

[David1017]

Rita "the horse" Cosby is the worst source of all the cable mongers on this story.
Cop car tapes exculpate JVS per JT. Interesting to see whats on the tapes.
Reiterates two new arrests coming. Joran off the hook? Seems more likely today than one week ago. This mystery deepens.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

GVC wasn't arrested. He went to the police station upon the request of the ALE. After they began their interview, they decided to detain him. They didn't go to his house and there has been nothing about his house ( parents house ) being searched.

Now does GVC look like a complete moron who would go to the cop shop holding drugs ?

And that's reliable ... because it came from Jossy Man.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Does this come from Simian ? ( Arubagirl )

[David1017]

Jossy Man is ANYTHING BUT CREDIBLE. Please no more Jossy. He is just as bad as Julia Renfro on the other side. GVC is up to his ass in alligators right now. And he's getting ready to have a couple of his patrol breathern join him.

[josh in china]

One interesting tidbit that is often overlooked is that Mickey John and Abraham Jones, the two security guys who were originally arrested, were found to have possessions of the MB students. Where did they get the possessions? Could it have been from the hotel rooms at the HI?

[Dan]

I think the guy is already talking. Just a hunch.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Compared to Julia Renfro and Joey T. Jossy Man is reliable.

I do mean that they didn't go and arrest him or go get him. GVC went there under his own steam.

[David1017]

Dan thats one thing that all sides seem to agree on. Both JT and JQK have indicated that GVC is talking. Now each have their own spin as to which way the train is heading. The new arrests should shed some light on that.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

I think that GVC was not working Beach Partol at that time.
He works for some watersports place on the beach.
Maybe Scuba knows him ?
It is quite possible that Natalee met him or hung around with him as part of a group.
He is in a perfect job / position to meet tourist girls.

[Arubaanse]

Hey Arubaanse! Sorry to hear you have sunburn.

Posted by: Skye | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 09:54 PM

Well, it doesn't hurt anymore:) so that is a good thing.
And how are you?

[afmomx3]

evening all;

check this out...
one little boo boo, too many knows...
two little boo boos, guess who's a goin'...

all the little pimp boys...
someone addy'd me earlier with that one... to the tune of 1little, 2 little, 3 little indians..

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

FROM the competition : at SM

Did anyone watch LKL???? John Walsh was on with Beth and the ALE has contacted AMW to get the word out about the car and about if anyone bought GHB from the GVC guy.

[Tosh]

"were found to have possessions of the MB students."

I keep seeing people here say that about the guards.

Can you point to one news source that says that?

It could be misinformation.

[James Cottlefinger]

We all know that this GVC is just set up to take the fall for the real culprits, who slipped right through the fingers of the authorities. I hope that the Dad pays for this just as dearly as his son and the two little Surinamese morons. I'd like to see how long those Surinamese hoods would hold up in a US prison.

[Truthinplainsite]

J.C. -

Stay away from the pipe...if Aruba was going to have someone take a fall for this, they wouldn't pick someone like JVC...some poor beach bum would be a more likely choice without any resources.

This kid appears to have resources - parents appear to have money...

I still believe that J2K knows more than they are saying...

Dan,

You appear ready to spring more information on us...what is your hunch?

TIPS

[Truthinplainsite]

Did I say JVC...hmmm...must be getting tired...GVC - Sorry :-)

[Truthinplainsite]

Did I say JVC...hmmm...must be getting tired...GVC - Sorry :-)

[Truthinplainsite]

Dan,

Any connection on the Red Sail Sports?

There are pictures of Joran making out with a girl on one of their boats and it appears this is the same Water Sports Company that GVC worked for.

Is this all one big coincidence?

TIPS

[James Cottlefinger]

Truthinplainsite,

Who is smoking marijuana here? I haven't. You've double-posted, and you refer to a "JVC". Who is that? Joran Van Croes? I have not heard of anyone with the initials "JVC." Perhaps you are the one who needs to put the hashish pipe away.

I stand by my belief. This lad is innocent, and Joran and his two Hindu sidekicks along with the Dad are the ones that need to be brought to closer scrutiny again.

[meso]

From GVC' Lawyer:

GVC was not working for the VCB Security firm nor the Visibility team in May or June

GVC's family is denying any involvement for statements GVC might have given that he participated in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The family doesnt want any involvement with said statements.

Doesn't look good for GVC...

[Stefani]

GVC IMO is simply the gateway to the
REAL perps.

He ran his mouth to everyone that he KNEW what happened to NH, so that is why he is there, and then of course the shirt....

I say string 'em all up, and be over with it. Enough is enough !

[windy city]

It's very easy to take this conversation out of context when someone else is reading it to you. Especially after being translated. I know Beth claims it was done to her on her original statements.

I would like to listen to it with a translator simulteanously to make my own judgement.

It still sounds weird though. Arguing with each other like that if they did nothing to her.

[lurking]

I say string 'em all up, and be over with it. Enough is enough !

Posted by: Stefani | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 10:23 PM

YAH! The higher the better! Forget about a fair trial! They don't deserve it!

[meso]

From those transrcipts it's obvious the friendship has gone bad and they are fueding with each other over information in those confessions. Was it ever found out wether the ALE typed up those confessions of their own accord and then attempted to get the suspects to sign them in agreement?

Nonetheless it would seem obvious that all 3 were not guilty possibly either Kalpoes or Joran but not all three.

[Truthinplainsite]

JC -

I don't believe this kid is taking a fall...that is all. I believe he has to be involved, some way, shape or form :-)

Dan's security box came up on the double post.

TIPS

[James Cottlefinger]

Meso,

Perhaps you have a point. I always wondered if little Satish was a semi-innocent, frightened bystander, while Joran and Shitpak the elder Hindoo did the dirty work on Natalee. Again, these are my educated hunches based on following this story, though I can't claim to be 100% rock sure of what happened. Just because one is guilty doesn't make the other the same by association.

What is frustrating to me is that I believe that Paulus and JOran and Shitpak the elder know what happened. What sort of inhumane person wouldn't help put a mother's mind to rest, even if the news was bad.

[David1017]

Jossy has NO CREDIBILITY in this case. Zilch. Joe T and JQK's credibility is still in doubt. Julia Renfro is right there with Jossy....full of nothing but propaganda and BS. The two lawyers are expected to be biased. Thats their job but the two others are supposed to be neutral and they are the worst of all.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Do you remember the tizzy over Freddie and Jaime
and sex tapes and rapes, etc.

What happened there ? It all fizzled flatter than pee on a platter.

Same thing could happen here.

[Truthinplainsite]

It doesn't sound like Joran knows what happened, but does suspect that K2 may...

He obviously knows more than he is telling...

Timing of transcript doesn't make sense? This must be some time during the time they had Paulus arrested..

[windy city]

From those transrcipts it's obvious the friendship has gone bad and they are fueding with each other over information in those confessions. Was it ever found out wether the ALE typed up those confessions of their own accord and then attempted to get the suspects to sign them in agreement?

Nonetheless it would seem obvious that all 3 were not guilty possibly either Kalpoes or Joran but not all three.

Posted by: meso | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 at 10:29 PM

Wouldn't it be interisting to know how these statements are formulated?

Do they interview them and then fill out a statement for them to sign or do they make up their own worst scenario and try to force them to sign?

the suspects might change their minds before signing.

My mom told me never sign anything unless you have to!

[meso]

I use to think Joran and Kalpoes had to be guilty due to all the lying but I'm actually more inclined to believe at this point that they were just scared kids thinking the other one raped and murdered the girl and trying their damndest to keep all suspicion away from themselves. Don't get me wrong, if this is true I still feel Joran should be accountable for leaving a passed out drunk girl on the beach at 3AM leading to her eventual death, However...

It just seems at this point as if there was a coverup for this kid GVC and Dompig was at the top of it all. Just look at the situation Dompig gets removed from the case and BAM a new arrest is made more arrests are about to be made, searches are ongoing in the deep sea, ALE is no longer shouting from the rooftops with information about their suspects. Seems more has been done in the short time since Dompig was removed than has been done during the whole 11 months before this. On top of it all this GVC guys family seems to be disassociating themseleves with their own son now.

The pieces of the puzzle would seem to be assembling themselves at this point.

[gemebwai]

JC, if I was to decide who gets blocked it would be you. Not because I don't agree with your ideas (I always assumed J2K were not guilty, for reasons I already stated in the past), but because of very low name calling of people you don't know that might as well be innocent of the crimes you depict them to have committed.
Something else, early on comm. van der Straten was in charge of the investigation. But at the same time, Dompig helt a key position in the investigation and tried to play a fastball on vdS through the Min. of Justice. That failed, but was close! IF there is a cover up, I suspect Dompig is heavliy involved in all this, maybe through his son?

[goodgirl.]

wheres the transcrip between the two guys at?

at least there checking out all there ducks in a row this time around.

[anniekwa]

I am still uncomfortable about this "secret conversation" in the back of a police car. Do you think Joran, who had been being coached by his father all through this, would openly discuss this case in the back of the car like that and be telling the truth? Yes, I am sure he was playing off of the "statements" made and such, but could he have been playing them? In one of the shows (Dan Abrams or Rita's I think) Joran and Satish seem to be arguing about whether or not Satish came back to pick up Joran. I don't remember the specific phraseology, however it struck me at the time that the conversation they were having was in direct conflict with what Joran had told Greta and CBS in their interviews had happened. I also thought it was rich him calling the Kalpoe's liars when he too is one. I just have to wonder if he really was prepared for the possibility that they may be being "bugged" or at least listened to by the cops in that backseat. I am certain Paulus would have warned his son to be careful what he says at all times, including when being transported as it could be being taped.

Based off of the tape, I would have to agree with many of the legal experts that it appears he knows nothing about what happened to Natalee. But, I do see some areas that make me wonder if he didn't suspect that they could be being taped and therefore made sure to "cover" himself in the conversation. Did anyone else feel that way?

[anniekwa]

Meso, I agree that there are different shades coming out with the GVC arrest. However, I am still not certain that GVC will be a true "suspect" as the case moves forward. THey are playing this close to their chest, but I think it is to entrap others more than to protect GVC's role in this.

[gemebwai]

During the detainment of J2K, the police has tried serveral times to "play the boys out", e.g. by showing phoney statements accusing each other. This is from a reliable source and I think common practice in this type of cases. In the end, the infamous statement BHT suposedly got might be one of them.