Natalee Holloway Update - Corruption Alleged

Previous reports have touched upon the possibility of corruption within the Dutch Justice system as regards the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Now reports from multiple sources in Aruba have suggested to me that that could be one of the ways the Holloway investigation unfolds. In various reports I've received and retained over time while seeking corroboration, several potentially key items have emerged.

Some allege that individuals at Joran's school who could speak to his demeanor and possible statements the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared were purposefully omitted from the investigation when what they had to say may well have been relevant.

Additionally, it has been alleged that Steve Cohen has stated that Joran Van Der Sloot was playing tennis either with him, or near him, the day after Natalee disappeared. It has been alleged that that alibi is false but no effort was made to expose it.

The significance of that potentially ties into recent statements by Dompig which suggest the body may have been dug up and moved after an initial burial. If Joran's whereabouts can not be accounted for that following day, it could have freed up enough time to participate in such activity. Also, note, Joran and Deepak were together at the casino that second night, yet Joran's own statements have indicated that he did not usually hang out with Deepak as a matter of course.

Some believe their being together that second night is, if nothing else, a bit curious. You may also recall that there was a controversy and shake up early on within the investigation.

More than one individual with knowledge of the investigation has suggested that there may well be substance to previous speculations of high level Dutch corruption with regard to the Holloway investigation.

Comments

[RJ]

Absolutely! There is a figure on Aruba lets call him a Scientist of sorts. His son is a DJ the Dax. They both have enough knowledge of history and the electronic music or underground scene to know what has happened to Natalee. Why they do not come forward is not exactly clear, but I still think they know the truth.

[Truthinplainsite]

XXX -

The one part I'm trying to come to grips with is the involvement of Paulus. I was thinking along your line about his knowledge of the situation, but my gut is now starting to think he may be involved that night, especially if the other two boys were not home.

No eyewitness account of other family members coming out when BHT Group shows up and sirens going off...rumor on three Van der Sloots flying back on Wednesday, June 1st (Anita and two boys).

If he was home alone with Joran, I'm starting to think maybe he was involved more than we know.

TIPS

[COLUMBO]

TIPS

BINGO

[XXX]

TIPS,

At this point there is nothing I would rule out, but the reason I don't think Paulus was involved until after the fact is that EVEN, let's say she had been a virgin and at least two of the suspects had sex w/her, it would be difficult to prove rape or criminal wrongdoing, so a judge w/connections would have worked the system to get the death declared accidental before her family knew what hit them. I also don't think that a judge or an adult would have come up with such a bad and easily debunked first story...its possible he intended for the security guards to take the fall, but why would he needlessly complicate things? better if there were simply no body/no case and no other suspects who might happen to luck out and get a good lawyer.

I believe he coached them after the fact on how to bolster story number one and I believe the beach story is completely from Paulus..since it is impossible to disprove, no cameras, dark and late at night, very hard to prove it is a lie. If this had been Joran's first story the case would have been over from the start, no matter what Beth or Dave thought.

I do think he had to be responsible for moving the body a second time though, since the 3 nitwits are not smart enough to have done such a professional job of it.

[Truthinplainsite]

XXX -

Here are my thoughts on "why" I believe he may be involved that night...

1. I believe he helped with the HI story. I don't believe Deepak and Joran came up with this on their own. I agree that the story had holes, but I do not believe Paulus is the sharpest person.

2. I don't believe the younger brothers were at home.

3. The following night, he comes to the door, suposedly from being awakened by the sirens. He has a cell phone in his front pocket (everyone sleeps with their cell phones...right). No mention of other children being in the house or awakend by the sirens.

4. He brings the "Casino" into play the second night and says that is where Joran was. In Joran's interview with Greta, the description of the 2nd night is key and where was he when he received the call from Dad. Where did Deepak park? What happened to the other friends he was gambling with?

IMO - Paulus was involved night #1 and knew full details when BHT shows up.

TIPS

[Truthinplainsite]

XXX -

I forgot one....

I agree that Paulus would be able to get the boys off from this if it was just the boys having sex with NH, but what if the DNA showed more than the boys? What if it showed his DNA?

Body would have to disappear in this case...not the other.

TIPS

[Skye]

I believe PVDS is involved too. He said he has to protect his son. And I believe he would do anything to protect Joran. "No body, no crime". Truth is "get rid of body, no proof of Joran's crime" and that is PVDS part in it.

[Sweetie]

He is a liar who has done nothing but lie about everything related to May 30th and he is still lying.

And that's a fact, jack. So where now are all the Natalee bashers??????????????HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[xxx]

I just don't see it, the van der sloots have gone to enormous lengths to 'normalize' all of Joran's past behavior, he's a sporter, blah, blah, blah, all the girls love him, blah, blah, blah, if the father was having group sex w/Joran and his friends, why would they bother pretending that its normal for h.s. boys to be in therapy for aggression, and so forth?

The HI story was stupid for multiple reasons...too much detail, too many places where witnesses could have seen them, and why would you place the victim back at her hotel when you knew she never made it there? I don't see this is as being an 'adult' or 'rational' story, but a story made up by 3 immature guys who were just thinking 'let's make this someone else's problem..someone else who was the last to see her'...

The only way I can see Paulus having been involved from the very beginning is if Natalee was murdered, not just died but was murdered and he himself was shaken up enough that he wasn't thinking straight yet and hadn't expected the family or police to arrive so soon...and that is the reason the alibi didn't hold up.

[COLUMBO]

I reiterate:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
***Arawaks (A.L.E.) often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders(pimps)***

The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune

He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his Babylonian offspring

Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage

To ***agree to remain silent*** is to agree not to hum any tune

Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys distress
(Arawaks (A.L.E.) often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders: Paulus=Elder)

[COLUMBO]

PVDS has the goods on his satisfied customers

[mlskeens]

Posted by: COLUMBO | Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 01:35 PM

And that's why the cover up?

[COLUMBO]

no-he has other customers....therein lies the coverup

[IMHERE]

Hey I heard John Q Kelly said they are reveiwing the casino tape, it may be Paulus talking to Natalee at the table where Joran was? It this true?

Wow why is this been hiding all these months?

[astbury]

Reposting my post from a month or 2 ago. That 2nd night does seem strange.

Charles Croes seems to be a pretty straight shooter. I recently reread his interview with Greta from 6/30. My thoughts below.

One night later, Charles Croes goes to a beach that sounds near or perhaps the same one that Joran left Natalee, Sees 3 cars at approx 2:00am. Is it just dumb luck that he found young kids and cars near the beach that night? So one night before, nobody was out besides Joran? No local who could possibly vouch for Joran being at the beach or not? Or even hear Deepak's loud car coming and going at least twice. Wonder if these kids were ever questioned as to their whereabouts the night before, just to add or take away from Joran's story. And pretty neat that they knew Croes was talking about Joran once he described Deepak's car. Joran did tell Greta that he was never at the beach alone with Deepak and Satish before. And that he knew Deepak from 2 to 4 months.
Then, Paulus is slow to answer the door when the police arrive. Could be he's a sound sleeper, as he never heard Deepak's loud car pull up three times the night before (and Joran claims he heard Deepak's car halfway down the beach). It takes a knock, a beep of the police car, and several sirens, and then finally Paulus responds. Maybe he wasn't decent and needed to put on his boxers? Who knows, but seems slow to answer the door. Did Paulus when he heard the sirens try to contact Joran before answering the door? To determine if he was in his apartment asleep? To alert him? After answering the door wonder if he checked his apartment for him, and since he indicated he wasn't sure where he was (thought perhaps Wyndam playing poker), why didn't he contact Joran at that point via the cell phone to find out where he was? Did he try? Would seem to be a logical thing to do. Ok, in a casino, phone maybe wouldn't go thru, but why not at least try to contact? Ok, so he decides to later call Joran presumably from where...the police car? Anyway, he reaches him outside the casino, and somehow it's misinterpreted and Joran goes home while the rest of them expect to meet him at the casino?

[COLUMBO]

Paulus-the boyfriend from earlier in the week?...hmmmmm.....wonder if that was what everyone was hiding....why NH returned to Excelsior alone later before C&C....and who they met at Mamba's on the way to.....uhhhh.....the VDS home!!!

maybe she didn't get into a car with 3 men who were "strange" afterall...but, always the soldier, Deepak continued to tow the company line and said that that was exactly what she had done

[Truthinplainsite]

I would love to see the "Casino" video from the next night...IMO - if JVS and Deepak are involved in the death of a girl and possible moving of a body, they are not out with another group of friends the next night.

JVS says he is playing poker with another group of friends...where was he playing? when did he get there? was Deepak at work the next afternoon at 3:00pm like the story goes? Did he work until closing?

Too many trails and alibis for the ALE not to be able to piece this together, especially if these clowns were the ones out moving the body the next day.

TIPS

[COLUMBO]

TIPS:

Just need the body.....

[Truthinplainsite]

IMHERE -

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

Go to this site if you want to look at the casino pictures and try to determine if this is Paulus sitting next to NH.

I'm sure the ALE has more video to go bye and could determine for sure if this was PVS...at least one would hope. It would sure blow the story JVS spun on Greta about Daddy needing to go home because of the younger brother...here he is back at the casino playing BJ.

TIPS

[Truthinplainsite]

Columbo -

I'm not sure the "Body" solves this thing...they would still have a hard time at this point.

If Dompig believes they went back to the VS house, why can't they get a search warrant for the complete property? Makes no sense, unless there was a coverup?

ALE didn't have any problems arresting a couple of innocent security guards or searching their houses, yet they can't seem to convince the judges that a search warrant for the Sloot house is reasonable...

TIPS

[JL]

shango and simians posts are actually the ONLY ones i believe since this case started, so do many others.

[xxx]

The whole VDS property search is beyond insane. Since Joran has access to the entire property and since he never even admitted Natalee was on the property AT ALL the same rationale for allowing a search of his particular quarters...looking for evidence, should reasonably have included the entire house and grounds. Since he refuses to admit Natalee was ever in his apartment, logically, the search warrant would have allowed either a complete search of the property or no search at all.

More Aruban b.s. and corruption.

[COLUMBO]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339

[COLUMBO]

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.

[COLUMBO]

Simian Says:June 25th, 2005 at 6:47 pm
There are 3 vehicles.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pm
The phone call made in the small hours.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pm
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:36 pm
In the other car.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:44 pm
Not even a confession will help.

One witness is not a witness.

The body is needed.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Only one piece is missing.

[IMHERE]

Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 01:51 PM

Thanks for the link, makes you wonder what this is all about, what is the father, (if that is him) involvement in this?

Why'd this take so long to come out? I wonder if Dompig is giving them (VDS) coded messages to them to belly up and give it up?

I am speculating only of course.

[Kat_Gram]

Ben Voking was at the house when the search was made.

Or when the " no search " was made of the VDS main house.

There was a picture and Voking was identified. There were several other legal type people there.

If the ALE had pushed to search the VDS main living area there would have been legal injunctions and a search at that time would have been prevented. Paulus is a legal nit picker and there was some issue whether the search warrant covered the entire property or just Joran's apartment.
Because they felt that Joran would not have taken her to the main area, they caved.

In addition, Paulus and Anita were staying at the Ben Vokings' house for quite a period of time in the summer of 2005 as they were being hounded by the media.

I had suggested it before, that Paulus called in all his markers and hence the cover up. There was a big mess in the Voking case. Same as this one. Several different stories.

I never thought that some low level person was involved in the cover up. It would have to be someone at the highest level.
I also don't think that Deepak and Satish know where the body is. I am not sure about Joran, probably not, but he knows who did the cover up.
With so much at stake, the less those three knew the better .

I don't know if the discussion of the Voking case still exists on line, but the one of Paulus's early years as a lawyer in Boxtell is gone.

[xxx]

I stick with the Keep it Simple Stupid theory, which leaves us two alternatives, Joran left Natalee alive on the beach or Joran and K2 are responsible for Natalee's disappearance. The mob, drug dealers, sex traffickers and all the rest of those angles are irrelevant.

Since I don't believe anyone tells as many lies with as much gusto as Joran has, and I don't believe you recruit third parties to corroborate false alibis that are to cover up embarrassment only, I don't believe the suspects are innocent.

That leaves me with the suspects are guilty of directly harming Natalee and causing the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the question remains, exactly what did they do to her and where was she put.

[COLUMBO]

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint (MICKEY) John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.

The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. They thought they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened.

[CateKelly]

Hasn't the family and their investigators been saying the same thing for months? Corruption in that part of the world is a given.

[Truthinplainsite]

XXX -

I believe in the KISS theory and agree this is probably a alcohol-drug overdose...so when does NH pass out or expire?

Is she at the house?
Is she still in the car?
Who is there?
What actions are taken?
What actions have been taken?

If it is simply a alcohol-drug overdose, why wouldn't they just dump the body? I know they are in panic mode at this point, but there must be something more...IMO

TIPS

[xxx]

The "something more" is their DNA on her, at the least.

The entire series of events was all a sex crime, from beginning to end.

[JL]

If it is simply a alcohol-drug overdose, why wouldn't they just dump the body? I know they are in panic mode at this point, but there must be something more...IMO

TIPS

at this point, i feel like anyone who believes the kiss thoery, has just not researched this case enough.

[IMHERE]

I thought about this:

IF it was a drug/alchol overdose and Pvds is as powerful as some think, wouldn't it have been so simple to drop Natalee off somewhere or even back to her room to be found in that state of overdose?

Just a thought IF it was an drug od

Just a speculation

[anniekwa]

I have to admit after reviewing the photo of the casino, that really does look like Paulus. I even searched for further photos to see if the arm and watch match the person next to Natalee, and guess what? They do! I wonder why this has not been more public before?

[xxx]

Of course.

That is why drug overdose in the absence of other criminal behavior does not make any sense. There would be no reason to dispose of her in such a way that she never be found and no reason to lie so much...young people OD all the time.

[Truthinplainsite]

JL -

The case is not a KISS Theory, the cause of death could be.

I don't believe these boys set out that night to murder anyone, IMO it could have easily been an accidental death or a alcohol-drug overdose...what happens from there definitely isn't KISS.

[punkingale]

I'm going to post this yet again. The well on the van der Sloot property was cemented over shortly after Natalee disappeared. Before it was cemented, Paulus almost stroked out when it looked like it was going to be searched. An Aruban judge wouldn't sign a warrant, but if someone had nothing to hide, they would have allowed it to be searched. Knowing his buddies wouldn't let it be searched, Paulus covered it just to be sure. I think records from any place that sells concrete mix should be checked from May 30, 2005 til about two weeks after Natale went missing. If Paulus purchased some, make him show where he used it. Of course, he could have already had some. Does anyone remember Joran getting new furniture a few days after May 30? A new mattress, perhaps? I think Natale was raped & murdered at Joran's apt. and disposed of by Paulus. "No body, no case" because the body is at the bottom of the well..

[JL]

JL -

The case is not a KISS Theory, the cause of death could be.

I don't believe these boys set out that night to murder anyone, IMO it could have easily been an accidental death or a alcohol-drug overdose...what happens from there definitely isn't KISS.

Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 02:38 PM

well, of course you are entitled to your own opinion, but i just think that there is alot more to it then that. and i don't think she's dead.

[cheri]

ohhh...dirtyblogspot..

geeze..all the fruit loops..that picture is NOT paul, that tape has been gone over many times, it is an american who is about 30 years old

fact is...no evidence of anything

look at tara's case in georgia..that is true corruption and cover up

JMO this whole thing in aruba has been fueled by the fact Marcia Twitty is a PR woman

as for the MB kids and booze? since the stupid civil suit claims paul failed to supervise his kid, the pictures of these bama kids drinking underage are very relevant

get real...be fair..JMO>> cold case

poor aruba has gone above and beyond for this one drunken adult who acted irresponsibly

Joran left her on the beach?? after that? who knows...?

[anniekwa]

punkingale, yes I remember the furniture being delivered. I agree and have always felt that the well should be searched (now probably uncovered and searched).

Now, if Paulus had met Natalee that night, I would have to say his involvement is more strongly suggested after seeing those photos:

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/ and look at the arm/watch in this photo compared to those photos: http://hcgtv.com/item/1158

[xxx]

I think the whole "thing in Aruba" has been fueled by the fact that Natalee disappeared in Aruba never to be seen or heard from again and that the Arubans have been at best, totally incompetant.

I don't think its plausible AT ALL that Joran left Natalee alive on the beach, recruited K2 to lie for him, K2 recruited someone else to lie for him, he then turned on K2 and said they were the last to be w/Natalee and lastly determined that first Deepak and then Satish picked him up at the beach.

All of these lies..and this is the tip of the iceburg...to cover up EMBARRASSMENT?

What the f***k does he have to be embarrassed about if he left a sober 18 year old girl on the beach a few yards from her hotel? NOTHING.

The whole story is pure crapola.

[Sweetie]

Sure he did, cause HE said so.

[anniekwa]

Posted by: cheri | Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Gone over by who? By the ALE?

Cheri, you are entitled to your opinion, but you will not convince me there was not a cover-up from the get-go on this case. The family did NOT take 10 days to begin the forensics gathering. True, they made mistakes from a PR POV, but they didn't set the stage of this case. This case was botched from the beginning, most likely purposefully, and has continued to be botched since.

[Truthinplainsite]

cheri -

Why all the lies?

If they did leave her on the beach that night, she was long gone and not telling Joran to put her down.

Not one witness saw them?
Not one witness heard the loud car coming to pick JVS up?
Not one witness came forward with missing shoes?

And you believe what?

TIPS

[COLUMBO]

Dompig has discounted the beach story

[COLUMBO]

Paulus is the rumored boyfriend from earlier in the week....it is clearly him seen on the c@$ino video...lookin like a cool and crazy guy in c@$ino

[COLUMBO]

you can see where forensics were taken from his steering wheel on blogspot

[JL]

Paulus is the rumored boyfriend from earlier in the week....it is clearly him seen on the c@$ino video...lookin like a cool and crazy guy in c@$ino

Posted by: COLUMBO | Tuesday, April 04, 2006 at 02:58 PM

didn't they point to the 5th suspect as the boyfriend from earlier in the week? wasn't that lvr? how did you come to the conclusion it was paulus

[xxx]

What boyfriend? The boyfriend that Julia Renfro and Scubajap made up? The one who never existed? The blue eyed Dutch marine?

The dinner date with the 'boyfriend' that never happened? That boyfriend?

Gerald Dompig probably needs a map to find police headquarters.