Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance

Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.

Comments

[meso]

This is responsible blogging? We all saw this person post on here not a few hours before you post this. What have you done to determine this is credible? Why is it this girl is talking to you but not the ALE?

[charles-1]

Someone raised this question earlier: How or when did he got his ID and credit card back? Did she include this or were able to bring it up?

[Dan]

Did you read it?

They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him

[Dan]

meso horny, or meso dumb - lemme guess: This is responsible blogging? We all saw this person post on here not a few hours before you post this. What have you done to determine this is credible? Why is it this girl is talking to you but not the ALE?

Duh - she called the FBI first, dope! Right, (someone) posted. I dont often use such info until I know there is a particular person behind it, with contact info, etc. What, do you think Fox runs credit checks on all their guests??

[windy city]

Dan,

If the MB teens saw the two at the casino later that night after she was with Joran, Why do you think it is just coming out now? And if this info was out there, why did this young man spend 3 months in the joint?

Now I'm very confused.

sometimes when I used to read your posts I would get pissed, But you have been right about alot more than most.

[Dan the Flip flopper]

since when do you care about Natalee YOU asswipe -?

You are nothing but a whore dDan , using her story for you own fame

[charles-1]

Sorry Dan,

I’m multi-tasking and when I read the first part I remembered the comment.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

So, because he suddenly got quiet is a reason to call the FBI ?
Holy Shit ! !

When did she phone the FBI ?

It's come down to this ! ! !
He got phone calls and then he got quiet.

Maybe it wasn't his Mumma ! !
Maybe it was some other chiquita ! !

Jeeze, what a fabulous show stopping clue this is !

[wreck]

I too believed her story. Someone on another blog found a post from her back in August with the same exact information. This was on June 9th (the day J2K first arrested.) Now, the $10mm question -- who was frantically calling him to tell him of this big "development"?? Now, a step further: the 8 "Aru-bay" videos (taken June 10th) show what we now know is a "GVS" Security red pick-up truck at the dunes. IF he is involved -- he did not act alone. Who are the others and why did J2K getting arrested trigger fear? I still say they are ALL involved to some degree.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

So, five years ago, I met this real hot guy. We were getting along like a house on fire.
Then, he got quiet and went home after he got a few phone calls !

Jeeze, I wonder who he murdered ! !

[26ANDCOUNTING]

This is the type of thing I thought would happen if Joran was guilty.. Once girls saw his face if he was really a predator they would of came out and told their stories..

[SinCerely]

Thanks Dan. Perhaps the most promising lead in this whole case. This young woman was very intuitive, glad she contacted the FBI.

Watch out for the Pitbulls ;)

[SinCerely]

Then, he got quiet and went home after he got a few phone calls !

Jeeze, I wonder who he murdered ! !

Posted by: KAT_IS_DEVIL | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 08:22 PM

Ever try breath mints?

Evidently the info this young woman passed to the FBI was important enough for an arrest/detention to be made. Many cases are broken by something someone remembered about another person. And many times the police would have never made the connection.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

Gimme a break ! She called the FBI last year ! !
Let's crucify this guy now because he got quiet after he got some phone calls ! !

[chloe]

I don't know if this info would have alone caused an arrest but coupled with other things, seen in casino together, etc. along with this phone call, you'd think it would have. You'd think ALE would have contacted this woman though after hearing it from the FBI, but then again, should not be surprised if they did not. Just assuming they did not as she did not mention it earlier nor did she apparently mention it to Dan. Since she did not contact ALE, I seriously doubt she is the reason GVC was brought it and her story I would not think would be enough to detain him as a suspect. I was on earlier when she was talking and she seemed credible although being on line she could be anyone and could be making it up so I am leaving that possibility open.

[Kelly3]

Who may have been calling him to tell him of this "big development"? His sister the cop maybe?????

[StillDontBelieveJenna]

Dan,
First, understand that I am not bashing you at all. I have been a faithful follower of You and this Blog since last July (lurking and not posting). Something about Jenna doesn't ring true.

1. - Why would she-(if you re-read her posts)-say that she didn't want to be involved in the case, yet post and answer questions about her posts on the blog?

2. - What did she have to say-(if you asked)-about her posting boy-band gay erotic fantasy stories to an erotic story site?

3. - I find it hard to believe that she could not find a telephone number for the FBI. Being a graduate student studying abroad (must have SOME intelligence) and with her internet capabilities, slow though she claimed they were, she was still able to post her story and reply minutes later to questions. All this and she cant find a phone number on the internet?

I am not asking you to reveal her identity (as you promised), but SOMETHING must have trigured you to believe her. Is she really in Europe? This seems very sensationalistic and out of character for you. You (to me anyhow) have always seemed to approach postings with cautionary trepidation.

Again, I will continue to read (hope you don't bar me after posting MHO), but this whole story and how it came out is just a bit too hinky.

[Dan]

You are nothing but a whore dDan , using her story for you own fame

ha ha ha ha Fame?? Don't quit yer day job, swami. I aint planning on quitting mine because of all this fruhaha. lol If anything, apparently I'm famous in your own mind. ha ha ha

[Dan]

I am not asking you to reveal her identity (as you promised), but SOMETHING must have trigured you to believe her

Well, this confuses me. Yes, she "seemed" credible enough to believe, so I relayed her story. I have gotten on the phone with drunks, crazies, etc and have NOT posted what they said. But, really, what does it prove? Nothing. This isn't a court of law. In the end, those are the only facts that really matter. I just try and provide ones I gather which appear to come from credible sources. Most any reprter does the very same.

IN all candor, I'll stack my facts, posts, opinions and positions against say those of Fox News anyday. But that doesnt make me 100 percent right, either.

[StillDontBelieveJenna]

Thanks for taking the time to reply Dan! I hope this all gets solved soon.

[chloe]

I forgot about her asking for the FBI number. I thought that somewhat odd too especially since she had already called them last year and told them everything there was to tell as she put it, why ask for it now. And one would think if they wanted more info from her that they would have her contact info anyhow. That part does seem odd.

[SinCerely]

Gimme a break ! She called the FBI last year ! !
Let's crucify this guy now because he got quiet after he got some phone calls ! !

Posted by: KAT_IS_DEVIL | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 08:32 PM

Chill out for christ sake or up your prozac. We know she called last year. Nobody is out to hang this Dutch kid. We are all still looking for answers.

[windy city]

Dan,

Do you know if the info was out there last year about this HI tape being fudged? Seems to me along with MB kids saying they saw her later that night with GVC that Joran should not have been detained for so long, if at all.

I'm wondering if that info came out when the ALE visited the US?

They better not start casting for the movie just yet!

[DennisAOK]

I am with Dan on this one. It's hardly stop the presses evidence, but it's worth posting. Kat, if someone were talkative all night, you would not expect them to clam up at the mention of a very current missing girl case. One point I'm unclear on. In her post I thought I understood that GVC took the seven calls, but Dan seems to say he let the cell phone ring and didn't answer. I wonder if he looked at the phone to see who was calling?

[Dan]

That part does seem odd

Id suggest taking it in without over thinking it. Maybe it was one tiny item that helped put the guy into focus, maybe it was nothing. No one is claiming its grounds for proving guilt. It's potential background information, really, not much else. It's what the authorites have or develop that matters. And she isnt claiming he did it, just that his repsonse was strange. Maybe it means he knows somehting, maybe it means nothing. She isnt making any bold claims and netiher am I.

[chloe]

That part does seem odd

Id suggest taking it in without over thinking it. Maybe it was one tiny item that helped put the guy into focus, maybe it was nothing. No one is claiming its grounds for proving guilt. It's potential background information, really, not much else. It's what the authorites have or develop that matters. And she isnt claiming he did it, just that his repsonse was strange. Maybe it means he knows somehting, maybe it means nothing. She isnt making any bold claims and netiher am I.

I understand and agree. As I stated, I was on when she came along and although initially doubtful, her answers seemed detailed and quite believable as we asked her things and she responded. I agree that all it is is background info and I in no way think it was her report to the FBI triggered this arrest. It was simply interesting to hear of his behavior.

[DennisAOK]

She might have easily left the FBI number behind if she went off to school in Ireland, especially after not hearing from them for months. Also, she said she was caught off guard by the recent arrest; sounds like she hadn't thought about the matter much lately. FYI, I once filed a complaint with the SEC and FBI, and didn't hear from them for three years, at which point I was subpoened to appear at the perp's trial.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

This is a bit more reliable than Refugees or Joe or Julia or FOB. But then, I ran out of Prozac and also forgot to use breath mints, so I am not reliable either any more ! !

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Aruban prosecutors say a 19-year-old held in the Natalee Holloway case is also suspected of selling drugs.

Today's court appearance is the first for the Dutch man since his arrest as a suspect in the Alabama teen's case.

Up to now, prosecutors had only identified him by the initials, G.V.C., and said he's suspected in Holloway's disappearance last May.

A statement from prosecutors says he's "suspected of criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Holloway, and also "of offenses related to dealing in illegal narcotics."

The missing teen-ager was last seen leaving a bar with three local men. Those men were jailed and later released after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold them.

©2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed

[StillDontBelieveJenna]

Dennis,

While not disagreeing with you, I am playing this out a different way in my mind....
This kid tried for a few hours to impress the young woman with talk of money, properties, contacts, etc. After he realized that he wasn't going to score, things changed. I myself (please forgive me Lord) have used the alarm-clock mode of my cell-phone to get out of bad dates. If you hit "snooze" (on my phone anyhow) it continues to ring every five minutes. This may be just what the young man did. JUST SPECULATION. Maybe the kid clammed up and walked her back to the hotel/room just as a blunt and expiditious way to end their "date".
Sorry that there probably have been 20 replies posted already, but I am a very slow typist.

[RstJ]

"The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard."

I don't get it. His father's company ran security in this area. He was trying to get that other guard to acknowledge him. So why's he scared of guards now?

RstJ

[ann]

Don't we all want to believe Jenna? I know I do, I'm tired of the same old bashing of old information in this case. I live in Birmingham and graduated from Mt. Brook quite a few years ago, I just keep hoping there will be some end to this, it's weird to think this community is involved in a mystery that has captured the attention on a daily basis of people who are not from around here.

[Gman]

BHT just made a complete fool out of herself........again on HC on Fox; "We all know that J2K are the original perps of NHs disappearance". Oh really prune face. Even the fox hosts said...what about the forensic proof that appears implicate the detained youth? and she said oh he's just a witness. She is such an embarassment to her daughter. Get you a another round on the house Beth baby. She makes me sick

[chloe]

Below is what she said to us on line. I too thought it sounded like he took the calls but it really does not say that but refers to him knowing or thinking it was his mother calling him home. She also did make it sound as though he ran right out when she got into the motel, no mention of getting his cards, etc. but she may have just missed that. Sorry Dan, I'm trying not to overthing it, just wanted to show what she said to us earlier if anyone else wanted to compare it.

So we go down to the pool and hang around whatever, he gets about 7 phone calls on his cell like rapid fire, claims its his mother calling him home. I knew he was lying, whoever was calling him was in some sort of panic, and needed to get in touch with him. On the hurried walk back to my room I asked him what his opinion on Holloway was, at that time it was still occuring, so we didnt know if she was just missing or really gone. Everyone had their own theory. He, for the first time all night went dead silent. He refused to look or even acknowledge I was talking. Chatty Cathy all night, the meantion of Holloways name, and he gave off this extremely weird vibe. I asked if he knew the boys (theyre around the same age, they hang out at the same bar, his friends seemed to be absent that night) No answer. I asked if he thought she was alive, no answer. I began to really feel like i was with someone i shouldnt be. I got locked out of the hotel and had to go to the front desk to get let in. As soon as I got in he took off running.

[meso]

While this whole story seems laughable to me and I have a hard time believing you finding this credible let alone relevant somehow to this case I must admit you do take the criticism in stride and don't seem to crack the banstick as quick as most blogs seem to do when someone disagrees with them so cheers to that at least. We will just agree to disagree.

[chloe]

"The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard."

I don't get it. His father's company ran security in this area. He was trying to get that other guard to acknowledge him. So why's he scared of guards now?

RstJ

RstJ, my guess is maybe he was known for going after the tourist girls and had been warned not to, maybe by his dad or the hotels or someone, maybe particularly since he works in security, they did not want staff who was to make the tourists feel secure, hitting on people and maybe bothering them when they should be there to protect. So he sees a guard and gets worried his dad will hear, etc.

[Wentworth]

I agree Gman. Beth is clueless and refuses to let go of J2K no matter what. She will not like the ultimate truth and will live the rest of her life in the state of Denial, country of Guilt.

[raven]

Beth has every right to still believe the asshole & kalpoe bros are involved..wait and see

[DennisAOK]

Gman & Wentworth,

Beth is repeating exactly what her lawyer has been saying. Tacopina's interest in shifting blame to GVC is obvious. You are pretty confident your boy Joran is innocent. I'd bet against you. I hope we will get to see who is right.

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

I heard / read that he security shirt was GVC's shirt. The one that was found in the early days .

[Wentworth]

Beth is a mindless fraud. She needs to look in the mirror. I am so sick of seeing her on the cable shows spouting the same mindless chatter that has absolutely no substance. Evidence. Give me evidence. Here comes Beth again on Rasping Rita. She now says the MB kids said NH never met GVC.
Also disputes the blue eyed Dutch crush that NH supposedly had. But she wasnt there.
Rita now disputes Beth,,,,says her sources said there must be involvement. Beth still says no its only information. Denial Beth.

[DennisAOK]

I heard / read that he security shirt was GVC's shirt. The one that was found in the early days .

Posted by: KAT_IS_DEVIL | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 09:36 PM

Yes, with some of his blood on it. But no tie in to Natalee.

[minnesota dad]

Just a deflection....

PAULUS IS THE PERPETRATOR....

Tacopina is planting news in the NY Post, Aruba is creating a phoney shill.

Its as simple as this:

J2K kidnapped the girl for Paulus
All three have their way with her
J2K give girl to Paulus
Girl refuses Paulus' advances
Paulus kills girl
Paulus goes to ATM
Paulus calls his buddies at the security company
Paulus asks for big favor
GVC told to dispose of the body by his dad
GVC chops up body on mattress getting DNA on mattress and Shirt
Sloppily, GVC discards shirt, sunglasses and cleaning materials
Sloppily, GVC does a poor job of disposing of body
Daddy's company must come in and recover and move the body (see Chicago video)
GVC is haunted by his participation in this.
GVC is the witness who called Dompig stating he cannot take it anymore.
GVC is the one who told of the burial in the Dunes (yes, the famed painted rocks area).
Aruba brings him in and charges him with drug dealing....and...they will be charging him with drug dealing & murder....if he doesn't "sing".
Further pressure placed on J2K/PAULUS with the release of Paulus hitting on Natalee at the casino.
GVC is currently singing.

Don't buy what Taco is saying. Its a deflection to get his client out on a technicality. The timing of which GVC was arrested appears to be a last ditch effort to clear Joran. Joran is the buffer for the true perpetrator - PAULUS.

Tired of following this case, but will continue to do so as it is so fascinating to see how a government executes a cover-up...I also feel the cover-up is beginning to unwind. Should be fun!

md

[Wentworth]

The shirt was GVC's. Beth is now showing that she doesnt know any more than the people on this blog. The cable people are tiring of Beth. She now longer brings anything to the table. Its obvious that LE is playing this close to the vest. BHT, due to her antics, will find out with the masses what the evidence shows. Look in the mirror Beth. See your guilt. Live with it.

[Wentworth]

minnesota dad: man I give you credit for having a theory. John Grisham book material. Go for it.
"Truth is stranger than fiction." Judgie wudgie....."Curly Howard.

[Wentworth]

Now someone to watch on........hottie Arlene. 1. He is a suspect. 2. They have established "curious suspicion". Rumors flying around. Sense on Aruba is desire for case to be solved. Did you read that Beth??

[Shady Grove]

This story sounds too good to be true. Common sense also tells me that if this is all true and what not, this girl would be on FOX or CNN right now. No disrespect, but I think this girl is full of of a substance usually found in the lower portions of the large intestine.

[nelson]

Posted by: minnesota dad | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 09:39 PM

You are one sick puppy and I thought we had all the crazy ones here in NYC!!! At least most of the people here in the city have an excuse, but you I just guess has non, goes way back!!!. Maybe goes with the territory.

[nelson]

Beth has every right to still believe the asshole & kalpoe bros are involved..wait and see

Posted by: raven | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 09:32 PM

Watch your mouth the only A.. may be you.

[danascully]

It does appear by her performance on H & C tonight, Beth is having a hard time letting go of Joran BEING the perp & can't even entertain the thought that GVC MIGHT be it. Why is that? Her goal should be just to see the culprit(s) be nailed for her daughter's disappearance. By the looks of her face if there is something to this new arrest, she might have to have some "let-go-of-Joran" counseling.

[windy city]

Tired of following this case, but will continue to do so as it is so fascinating to see how a government executes a cover-up...I also feel the cover-up is beginning to unwind. Should be fun!

md

Posted by: minnesota dad | Tuesday, April 18, 2006 at 09:39 PM

I don't know how much "fun" it will be, but it sure is interesting and sad.

Your theory is as good as any though.

Are the pikes biting yet MD? Love the fishing up there!