Holloway / Van Der Sloot Update

Sources who claim to have been in contact with the Van Der Sloots have informed me that Joran Van Der Sloot does not know the individual recently arrested in the Holloway investigation.

The Van Der Sloot family claims to be as in the dark and awaiting more information about the arrests as everyone else.

Evidently what some of the cable cacklers are spouting for Easter Sunday is, as usual, incorrect. Who would listen to that on Easter anyway?? ; )

Have a happy Easter.

Comments

[Ruddy]

Well we know they are very honest people who teaches their son not to drink, gamble, or lie so it must be true.

[xxx]

Joran may not know this guy, but just because he and his mom say he doesn't know this guy doesn't make it true.

Anita also told us all her son did was try to get the girl back to the hotel and that he dropped her off at the HI and that he DID NOT DRINK...

Also, who is to say these "source" are real or not, Joe T. seemed to be implying that Joran DID KNOW this new person since he said 'all the teens on the island know each other"

[splashtc]

Hopefully this guy knows something and will finger the VDS.

[wreck]

Abrams is sticking with story that CVG DOES know J2K and has stayed in contact with him.

[TJ]

There is a connection between the security firm of Van Cromvoirt and a Birmingham construction firm (B.L. Harbert)which has an office in Noord.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=841

[TJ]

From: HYSCIENCE UPDATE DAVE'S BOOK

Subject: Holloway Book Analysis (Or Anal Cyst)
I have checked the sales at Amazon and Barnes Nobles for the last several days at exactly 11:00 am CDST with the following results.

Amazon Barnes and Nobles
04/08/06 757 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 6,153
04/10/06 590 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 924
04/11/06 116 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 166
04/12/06 63 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 40
04/13/07 67 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 46
04/14/07 86 Barnes & Noble Sales Rank: 66

Looks like the tide is ebbing.

Aslo of note at http://www.al.com/forums/natalee - a Birmingham News supported "hate" site they note that E bay is already selling used holloways (books that is) at asking of $0.15.
# Posted by paul at 04/14/2006 03:17 pm - reply- forum

Subject: And Now For Something Really Different
Dave Holloway Book Update
as of 4/16 10 am CDST

Amazon Rank 142
Barnes and Nobles Rank 96

Not listed in top 35 of NY Times Best Seller List -new list on 4/15/06

Birmingham News local book reviews and "best sellers' in local BAM stores etc. do not even mention Dave's book. http://al.com

With the nsold copies available Dave might recoop some of the loss by selling them at E bay for $1 with a title change to Fanny Flags.
# Posted by paul at 04/16/2006 11:55 am - reply- forum

[xxx]

Um, someone was just arrested in the case, who cares about Dave's book sales?

You are so totally pathetic.

And by the way, Rita Cosby says that this new boy, DOES know Joran, and that he has been arrested authorities believe to get information that Joran/K2 may have confided about what happened to Natalee...she says this person has been in contact w/Joran since he went to school in Holland.

So, EITHER Rita is totally full of shit, or Medley what's her name and Glenda are totally full of shit...

While I don't have a high degree of respect for Rita, I am picking Medly and Glenda as the one's who are either repeating lies or who are simply fakes and have been all along.

[yankee-in-france]

While I don't have a high degree of respect for Rita, I am picking Medly and Glenda as the one's who are either repeating lies or who are simply fakes and have been all along.

Posted by: xxx | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:07 PM

It is Easter sunday so I will be cautious with my words. XXX, wipe the egg off your face -- you wouldn't know how to pick the winner of a horse race already won -- oops, sorry XXX, that's not egg -- somethin' else.

[TJ]

XXX, you have been relying on Rita all along. What a bozo you are!!!

[xxx]

Gee, what intelligent discussion from you two....

Why oh why am I not surprised?

[yankee-in-france]

In your heart, you know we're right!

[wreck]

In your heart, you know we're right!

Posted by: yankee-in-france | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 01:19 PM
about what??? lol

[yankee-in-france]

I have actually attempted rational discussion with you. You are incapable of contributing to rational discussions -- thus the need to communicate with you in the only manner you understand.

[xxx]

No, really, in my heart when someone on TV says "authorities" tell us....I give that person the benefit of the doubt rather than some anonymous blogger who claims to know Anita and Joran van der Sloot and to have an email from Anita directing her to get the word out on the blogs...

Maybe this guy doesn't know Joran...or maybe, by about Wednesday the new line will be....well, when we said doesn't know, we meant not his best friend....

I didn't attack anyone, all I said was that if its a choice between a not too credible Rita Cosby and a couple of anonymous posters I am taking Rita.

[yankee-in-france]

For those of us who know medleyrelay, we know she neither lies nor is a fake.

[yankee-in-france]

As I said, you couldn't call a horse race that was already won --

[yankee-in-france]

how about asking me if I know Joe Blow who lives two blocks away and I don't know him and tell you that -- but gee, the village took pictures at the 4th of July fireworks and guess what I'm standing next to Joe Blow. I still don't know Joe Blow --

[xxx]

You mean like George Bush doesn't know Abramoff? Like that?

Like I said, maybe he dosen't know Joran, maybe he knows K2 instead and Rita is full of shit, maybe Joran has been telling the truth that he left her on the beach and Satish picked him up and maybe K2 are the guilty ones.

But, you might just want to prepare yourself for the outside chance that Joran is lying again, maybe he lied to his mommy who in turn, because if the sporter told her the sky was yellow she would believe it, passed on that lie to Medley.

[TYLER]

xxx ,
I respect you because you seem to be one of the very few sensible posters on this blog.

HAPPY EASTER !!

[DennisAOK]

It all depends on what the meaning of "know" is.

[COLUMBO]

sounds like the dude is pretty handy with video cams

[xxx]

I don't "know" him I would take to mean that (a) I have not been in touch with him since leaving Aruba (b) We never socialized together in small groups or went out together (c) No one who knows me considers this person a friend of mine (c) I never said anything to him in person, via email or another other way about the Natalee Holloway investigation.

[Wearenotstupid]

Any maybe what ever this kids know or doesnt know is nothing at all or just hear say
Maybe he knows Joran , maybe he doesnt We will find out later specuation as got us NO WHERE for 11 months

[DennisAOK]

So which is it, TJ? Dave is making all kinds of money by exploiting his daughter's demise, or he isn't because his book isn't selling? BTW, I would put too much stock in those sales numbers. The book hasn't been out very long (I ordered mine a few days ago and haven't received it yet). Besides, Tho at Hyscience lacks credibility. He has had a theory a week for months. Natalee ran away. No, she was cremated. No, the guy who Joran says looked him in the eye on the beach accosted her. Wait, she is a sex slave in Venezuela. No, she is in a barrel at the bottom of the sea. If the television ratings on the story are an indication, the book will do well. More people will read it than read Harry Tho, and for good reason.

[xxx]

And that is the truest statement we've seen on the case so far.

There is no doubt this person could be totally irrelevant, just another false lead, non lead or made up lead or convenience arrest by ALE...

Dompig might have had a dream about this guy, maybe he's another Steve Croes who injected himself into the case for no reason...my recollection of this case tells me Aruban police make arrests based on whatever they feel like is grounds at the moment.

[RstJ]

The clock is ticking on this one. If Joran knows him, someone's going to make the connection and soon. If they don't, then this arrest doesn't have anything to do w/K2J.

This guy is beach patrol. Maybe he knew Joran, but for certain he knew the MB kids. No way he just motored on past a beach full of teenage girls in bikinis day after day for a week.

RstJ

[DennisAOK]

xxx,

I was being sarcastic (and paraphrasing Bill Clinton), not serious!

Thanks for your excellent posts!

[xxx]

Why isn't it possible that Joran wasn't friends with him but one of K2 was?

I would be truly shocked if this person is arrested and he is not arrested based on some belief that he has information that came from the 3 suspects.

Unless ALE really isn't totally, completely, utterly incompetant that would mean they have had an alternative theory about the case that does not relate to the 3 suspects and there has not been a whiff of this idea or any other related evidence...

Other than the Dompig/Boatie fiasco, the ALE have always indicated they suspect the boys know what happened to Natalee.

[satchmo]

It is sort of hard for me to believe that Joran went through all that jail time and did not crack, has been doing interviews, and would then communicate with GVC about what he (they) did. I doubt seriously that the speculation that Joran has been communicating with GVC is correct or if it is, there was conspiratorial conversation.

There is a difference between friends, acquaintences and people you know of, but do not know.

As usual, there is an element that hate Joran and would not consider him innocent of murder if Natalee turned up alive.

I think it would be ironic it it turned out that GVC did it, and j2k are completely innocent of anything but lying under pressure from Beth's premature accusations. Beth may have misdirected the entire investigation away from the true culprit.

[xxx]

Blah, blah, blah.

Please provide a link that states Beth Twitty is now a member of the Aruban police force and in any way able to "direct" an investigation.

The suspects themselves misdirected the investigation when they lied to police. There is no getting around that fact. It is acknowledge by all parties.

It does not constitute conclusive proof that they are guilty of any crimes, but it is most certainly highly suspicious as are the rest of the fake alibis, fake witnesses and all the rest of it.

There are a ton of precedents of people confessing things to their friends that they do not tell police, and also of these same people failing to go to police with this incriminating information.

I have no idea if Joran knows this guy or not, but I would be very surprised if he is a totally separate suspect or is related to suspicious that are completely separate from Joran and K2.

But, most likely it is another random ALE arrest that will peter out into nothingness by Tuesday.

[satchmo]

Beth and Jug went to Jorans home with the police the night they arrived in Aruba. In the first conversation with Joran, he was accused by them of having done something to their daughter. This had a lot to do with these kids prevaracating. They may have had innocent fears of getting into trouble for just being with her and Beth, et.al, pushing them into a corner substantially contributed to the feeling of the need to lie.

After that Beth had it in her mind that they did it and you cannot tell me that her constant badgering and accusations did not influence the direction the inept ALE took.

[Gimme a Break]

HELLO PEOPLE>>>> Again SPECULATION
This Kid may or may not know Joran.. HE MAY or MAY NOT know anything...
He may know everything or nothing at all
Lets all wait and see...

[mylena]

well it could be that JVS meant was that he doesn't KNOW WHO was arrested (the name) because they don't release names in the Netherlands... officially you don't know that... That's the way I read it

[windy city]

HELLO PEOPLE>>>> Again SPECULATION
This Kid may or may not know Joran.. HE MAY or MAY NOT know anything...
He may know everything or nothing at all
Lets all wait and see...

Posted by: Gimme a Break | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:34 PM
I'm with you on this one! Everyone needs to sit back, enjoy some ham and family time and see how this thing plays out.

We've been down this road before.

[DennisAOK]

After that Beth had it in her mind that they did it and you cannot tell me that her constant badgering and accusations did not influence the direction the inept ALE took.

Posted by: satchmo | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 02:29 PM

They caught Joran in the Holiday Inn lie before they accused him of anything. And, if Beth was calling the shots, why did ALE not arrest these guys for ten days? They only did so when she went public and ALE's lack of urgency became apparent to the American audience. ALE's new line, as per Dompig, is that pressure from Beth sidetracked the investigation. I doubt many will buy it. Common sense would dictate you start with the three guys seen driving off with Natalee.

[TJ]

Posted: Sun Apr 16th, 2006 08:42 pm Quote Reply

Good news -- Joe Tacopina, in a live phone interview with MSNBC just now, has just countered the misinformation MSNBC has been reporting all day.

Joe wants MSNBC to stop reporting misinformation and clarifies that Joran has no connection to the person who has just been arrested.

Joe pointed out that the way MSNBC has been reporting this infers Joran is involved -- and that is simply not true.

[wreck]

Joe pointed out that the way MSNBC has been reporting this infers Joran is involved -- and that is simply not true.

Posted by: TJ | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 03:05 PM

...and Rita is back on ADAMANT that "Aruban Officials" have told her the opposite. I guess we will have to wait and see.

[mem]

Well I also know for sure that, that same security company is doing business with the Marriot Hotel. (My sis work there, she said they are one of them that do bussiness there.( Is it not near the Marriot Hotel that all this supposed to have happened?

[mem]

In Ducht law: One witness is no witness?

[Black Bart]

Where is the Charles Crowes fellow who helped Beth that first night on the island, the one who helped them navigate and quickly locate the VDS involvement? He gave one interview to Gretta, which spoke volumes as to what he "knew" went down. By this I mean he knew much of Natalee's actions that night, and, whatever eventually happened was going to be very bad news that some would not be able to handle(his words).

Why have we not heard or seen him again? He's the one who helped them first find the casino, then once there, learn about Joran.

And, of course, they needed to question Joran, as witnesses placed him as the last person with Beth's daughter. Police though seemed not so interested, as we all know (car and the three key prime suspects were not brought in for 10 days)and most blatantly of all, their interrogation consisted of changing statements with no followups.

This new "detainee" or person arressted, since his father has this company, might there be video available of some sort? Months ago, there was some talk about Joran posting online videos of other girls and "conquests", sex romps, etc. Hopefully, with the Netherlands having stepped in as law enforcement with this case, this person will actually be interrogated).

Clean interrogations is what this case has needed from day one. Without that, any child can get away with murder. Pun intended

I remember reading some thought there might be tapes of part of whatever went down, and there was some thought Natalee was at one point actually in the VDS house that night. I imagine this new detainee might have experience with all kinds of tapes, possibly.

[mem]

Hopefully, with the Netherlands having stepped in as law enforcement with this case, this person will actually be interrogated).

Posted by: Black Bart | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 03:33 PM

Hopefully, the Netherlands stop sending us European Dutch Judges, European Dutch Prosecuters, and European Dutch Polis Chiefs and stop telling us that we have to accept what they decide

[pam]

You all do realize that when they show Rita - that is a tape - she has been saying the same thing all day - and msnbc better stop running rita come up with new updated information or dont cover the case at all - at least the live part is accurate reflecting what Joe Tacopina is correctly saying.

[sick-of-the-lies]

RE: "maybe Joran has been telling the truth"

Which lie was the trueth?

# Joran's story that the K2's dropped him off at his house and drove off with Nat?

# Joran's story that Deepak raped, killed, and buried Nat on the beach?

# Joran's story that he left Nat on the beach unharmed?

WHICH OF JORAN'S LIES IS NOT A LIE? Likely, they are all lies and he took her to his apartment where he brutally raped her and bashed her head in with a lamp or similar object. At this point, I'm sick of hearing the Joran is a "nice guy" and that Nat might have died of an overdose. Joran is not a "nice guy" he is a lying pile stink.

[mem]

And if you do not know Black Bart, Dutch is Nederlands

So, what are you talking about

[wreck]

You all do realize that when they show Rita - that is a tape - she has been saying the same thing all day - and msnbc better stop running rita come up with new updated information or dont cover the case at all - at least the live part is accurate reflecting what Joe Tacopina is correctly saying.

Posted by: pam | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 03:50 PM

We DO know that Rita is on tape. We DO know that they do not agree. We DON'T know which is correct "yet."

[RstJ]

You're not seriously putting your money on Rita Cosby, are you?

RstJ

[TYLER]

We DON'T know which is correct "yet."

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 03:54 PM

I would say Joe T. is correct .

[sick-of-the-lies]

I would say Joe T. is doing spin control. I never hear him address all the lies Joran has spit out. What kind of sick bastard fabricates a lie when told the girl he was with last night is missing? What kind of sick bastard blames his buddy (Deepak) of raping, murdering, and burying a girl if that isn't true? He now asserts that isn't true. The lies never end.

[wreck]

You're not seriously putting your money on Rita Cosby, are you?

RstJ

Posted by: RstJ | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 04:04 PM

We DON'T know which is correct "yet."

Posted by: wreck | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 03:54 PM

I would say Joe T. is correct .

Posted by: TYLER | Sunday, April 16, 2006 at 04:05 PM

I don't "trust" either one of them. One thing is for sure -- one of them is DEAD WRONG.
Rita is citing "Aruban Officials" --- Joe T. is citing "Joran."

[kate]

during her first couple of interviews anita acted like joran barely knew the kalpoe brothers. she's still trying to protect her baby boy. joe t is just being a typical lawyer, he was just ranting about how everyone knew everyone on the island two nights ago. joran's side is spinning, nothing new.