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» Fox News: Fair And Balanced, Or Racist And Xenophobic? from The Moderate Voice
That's the question posted by a conservative blog -- who gives you an answer you might not expect here.

Dan,
I agree with you completely. I have watched Fox regularly from the beginning. But for the last several months, I have been increasingly turned off by their rants in primetime. I don't watch Bill O, H & C, or Greta at all, anymore. They may have picked up some viewers that will stay as long as they "cover" Holloway, but they have lost me while doing so. This constant attempt to make the Holloway case "news" may backfire. Last night I watched Brian Williams. There was not one mention of Holloway because NBC knows its not news.

Last night one topic on the O'Reilly factor was billed as "Dutch TV exploiting Natalee Holloway case".

Xenophobia, misinformation and hypocrisy to the max...

I think your comments are out of line. The Natalee Holloway and Duke cases receive so much air time from Fox because that is what their views show an interest in.

Face it, because there is no "direct" proof in either of these cases, that in it self causes a mystery and therefore interest. BTW, the same is true with the George Smith case. In all cases, I don't think it has a thing to do with color or race.

You state "only allegations" in the Holloway case. Well yes, and no. You see even in the case of a court criminal trial the standard is not proof but rather "beyond a reasonable doubt". I don't honestly see how Joran's lies, along with other circumstances and the few known facts could keep an honest person from going beyond a reasonable doubt. I can come up with NO reasonable scenario where Joran is not guilty of this case.

I totally agree with you, Dan. I can't make myself watch O'Reilly, H&C, or Greta anymore. They have shamelessly exploited the Holloway case, and I agree it may backfire. And it's just embarrasing as a US citizen how they have maligned Aruba & Holland. When will someone stop this media circus & say no to the Twittys. They are allowed to say whatever they want to on Fox. With no more evidence than there is Fox has evidently chosen to be complicit in the smearing of this beautiful island & its gracious people, our Friends and Allies the Dutch, AND the van der Sloots & the 3 boys.

Well, I just disagree with your assessment. Dan, in all fairness -- you have pretty much put your own credibility on the line for several months completely defending Aruba's investigation. You don't have to like the "infotainment" shows -- but in my opinion it is VERY difficult to argue that the ALE investigation has been anything near credible. The Holloway/Twittys have been on this wagon since at least September. Now you have Joe Tacopina (Joran's own lawyer) completely agreeing with them. They may disagree vehemently on who is culpable. But they BOTH agree this investigation is despicable. Aruba has only THEMSELVES for letting this fester.

Casting an Asian actor in the role of Joran is one of the most racially insensitive things I have seen in a long time!

Aruba has only THEMSELVES to blame for letting this fester. (should have read)

Seems like the Holloway obsession is alive and well.

The point is that both Joran and the Duke players are despicable, but that Faux news has no problem "convicting" Joran, while it does not do so with the Duke players.

That is unfair and unbalanced.

Dan - if you think Joran is an innocent young Dutchman, then I have a cattle ranch called FATCALVES in Bucks County PA that I'd like to sell you - along with its fat-calved inhabitants!

Totally dissagree. American conservative Holloway family vs corrupt Aruba/lying, gambling VDS. American conservative kids/Duke vs stripper/hooker. I think Fox supports what a reasonable person would consider the real wronged party. They are not self hating.

you have pretty much put your own credibility on the line for several months completely defending Aruba's investigation.

Wreck - that's incorrect. I have always maintyained the investigation was very flawed, though I didnt play it up as Fox did. But I am not questioning their dissing of the investigation. That's fair game. It is when you start declaring some guilty, or inferring some aren't and the only fact present is their class, color or country of origin.

When you come right out and say that you watch Fox because it represents conservative viewpoints, you're conceding that fox is neither fair...or balanced.

Truthful news reporting doesn't lean to the right or left.

if you think Joran is an innocent young Dutchman

DOnt put words in my mouth. All I said in both cases is there is no real evidence - THAT is a true statement. I have no idea who is guilty or innocent and neither do you. Though obviously you "think" you do.

When you come right out and say that you watch Fox because it represents conservative viewpoints

I never said it reppresents only that, I said fair - which it is. They allow libs on if you have noticed. Hume is extremely balanced and only looks otherwise because of the liberal skew of the big three.

you have pretty much put your own credibility on the line for several months completely defending Aruba's investigation.

Wreck - that's incorrect. I have always maintyained the investigation was very flawed, though I didnt play it up as Fox did. But I am not questioning their dissing of the investigation. That's fair game. It is when you start declaring some guilty, or inferring some aren't and the only fact present is their class, color or country of origin.

Posted by: Dan | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 11:26 PM

I do think you have recently admitted the investigation was flawed. However, everytime I questioned the investigation to you for months you defended it saying they were just a small Island with limited resources. You never really questioned them. That may be just my perception of your views -- but I bet I am not alone.
As for FOX, they have been much more critical of the INVESTIGATON than actually blaming Joran in my opinion. Many people here take bashing Aruban ALE as the same as bashing Aruba the island. There are a lot of good people from Aruba that post here -- unfortunately, the whole island suffers from the actions of it's leaders.

Sean Hannity said last night he was disturbed with the DA in the Duke rape investigation for rushing to judgement. Other than the first round of DNA tests not linking to the 46 lacrosse players, hannity has no idea what other evidence the DA may have, including possibly witness statements. My feeling is this prosecuter has 27 years experience as a prosecuter and has tried over 300 felony cases,if he thinks a rape occurred I have to put some faith in him.

One additional thought regarding the Duke rape investigation. There is no arguing that there is intense racial hatred harbored by several of those lacrosse players as evidenced by emails, overheard racial slurs, and other comments brought forth by people aware of the culture of the Lacrosse team.

So why would a group like this order black strippers for their party?? When you order a stripper for a party they don't just send you a black one, you have to specify you want black strippers. In my opinion they didn't order black strippers for erotic entertainment they did so to demean, abuse, denigrate and otherwise take out pent up anger on these two black women. Add copious amounts of alcohol and it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Then you have the sense of entitlement and invincibility that these kids feel and the environment is ripe for something seriously bad to happen. I would bet my house against all those Lacrosse players being completely innocent of the accusers alleged allegations.

Please watch the docu Outfoxxed which was broadcasted in Holland. Fox is unbalanced and unfair per se. http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/19365659/ (watch under 'video'at the right side on top of the webpage)

this would be that free-market magic you folks are so hyped up on, playing itself out in our body politic with a little technological help. the problem with ideologues is it never occurs to them that critical evaluation is a good thing. just "here's what i think and if you disagree you're insert epithet here."

OF COURSE fox behaves this way. they're selling ad space in a free market economy, not covering news. and then you pull out of your butt, "well after much consideration i have to conclude based on my observations..."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG!!! figure it out, wouldja?

Sean Hannity said last night he was disturbed with the DA in the Duke rape investigation for rushing to judgement. Other than the first round of DNA tests not linking to the 46 lacrosse players, hannity has no idea what other evidence the DA may have, including possibly witness statements. My feeling is this prosecuter has 27 years experience as a prosecuter and has tried over 300 felony cases,if he thinks a rape occurred I have to put some faith in him.
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What evidence?

She was already beaten up and intoxicated when she showed up at the party, based on photo evidence taken by the players.

She allegedly was also photographed AFTER the alleged rape took place smiling standing on the back porch.

It now comes out that the security guard and the first police officer on the scene described her as passed out drunk.

Is it normal to pass out drunk after just fighting for your life and being brutally raped by 3 guys?

It also looks like the other 911 call alleging racial slurs came from the other stripper.

This charge is totally bogus and the DA is pursuing it because he wants to get the black vote, no other reason. While he may have believed her in the beginning before it was known that her injuries were received prior to going to the party, he must know by now that the charges are not supportable based on the evidence.

DOnt put words in my mouth. All I said in both cases is there is no real evidence - THAT is a true statement. I have no idea who is guilty or innocent and neither do you. Though obviously you "think" you do.

Posted by: Dan | Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 11:28 PM

Actually, there is powerful evidence against Joran, including the fact that he has given police at least four false exculpatory statements (five if 2K are telling the truth about not picking him up). False exculpatory statements can be considered as evidence of consciousness of guilt.

Most people on Fox think Joran is guilty for the same reason that most Americans think Joran is guilty- they have enough common sense to realize that an innocent person doesn't tell police five different stories.



Fox was never any different from any other entertainment provider. If you really think they are fair/balanced, you are in a cloud. They have a target audience and push the buttons that cause that audience to respond.

I think it's about finding out about what happened to Natalee Holloway that night. Where is she? If she willingly had sex with the whole island, where is she? If she didn't willingly have sex with anyone, where is she? When a friend does something wrong, they say so and make things right. Friends help each other look for the truth. Sometimes, the truth hurts.

Sorry, but your complaints don't really hold water. Natalee Holloway is dead. The Dutch boys did not cooperate with the investigation. Her father is saying the Aruba police asked him for money. Those are facts.

The Duke stripper made an allegation. There is not much proof that any crime occurred, and a fair amount of evidence that one did not (DNA, timestamped photos, the reporting officer says she ws "not in distress" and was in fact "passed out drunk").

I think you're falling into the MSM perspective trap: since every other network reported the stories differently, ipso facto Fox must be wrong. In fact, generally speaking Fox has hewed closer to positions based on the facts.

Pew polls show unambiguously that the media tilts well to the left. If Fox is conservative, then at least now we have two balancing, arguing viewpoints instead of one imbalanced, uncontradicted narrative.


Interesting post. I do not generally follow these types of stories on the news, and am not following them now (people get murdered/raped/kidnapped all the time, why should I care about Natalie Holloway or the woman allegedly raped at Duke any more than I care about any one else who is missing/raped?)

That being said, I think splashtc's comment above is a perfect illustration of your point. splashtc wrote:

"American conservative Holloway family vs corrupt Aruba/lying, gambling VDS. American conservative kids/Duke vs stripper/hooker. I think Fox supports what a reasonable person would consider the real wronged party."

I don't think anyone deserves to be the victim of a crime, be they a conservative American family or a stripper/hooker. Splashtc apparently disagrees--anoyone accused of a crime by a stripper/hooker is "wronged" in some way, presumably because strippers and hookers aren't real people, so screw 'em (no pun intended).

my problem with Fox lately is they don't have as much reporting on international stories as they used to, beyond Brit.

I have never been able to take O'Reily: especially when he launched his rant against big oil for "price gouging" when any one with a brain knows oil prices are set by OPEC.

I feel that Duke is to blame because in their orientation they should have told all students if they even think of having an exotic dancers they will be dimissed. We would not allow this behavior in our homes, so why does the school.I also feel we always say the poor girl and the bad boy! I am a female and I would never think of dancing before all those young men. Did this girl have a brain in her head? Did her mother not discuss danger with her. Also the Holloway girl, I would not have let my sons go on a trip without us with a group of kids, they tried but we said no. The prosecuter and school principal handeled this in a very unprofessional manner.Someone may be guilty but I don't know how these kids are going to have a fair trial, it hasn't been fair to them so far.Fox should talk less about the Holloway story they have run it into the ground,. I like Fox though!

I've just been letting everything wash over me recently. So it goes. What can I say?

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I haven't gotten anything done lately. Not much on my mind recently. I just don't have much to say right now. My mind is like an empty room.

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