Forensic Evidence In Holloway Case?

Update: VCB Security home page.

Update: ABC's Good Morning America has an image of Cromvoirt here.

Evidently he would have been patroling the beach that night in his role as a security guard for, among others, the Holiday Inn. Cromvoirt was employed in a family owned security firm.

Von Cromvoirt worked for a private security company that patrols beaches outside Aruba's hotels. Holloway was last seen leaving an Aruba bar with van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were held for 25 days before being released. Van der Sloot has said he left Holloway on a beach near her hotel after they had kissed.

Von Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Von Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

There may be, according to a new statement from Van der Sloot attorney, Joe Tacopina. It's unclear what that might mean. One circulating but unconfirmed identity of the 19 year old Aruban arrested is Godfried van Cromvoirt. Several articles of clothing were discovered during the search for Holloway's body. It's unclear which, if any, might have held some type of evidence.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba A lawyer for a former suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance says he thinks authorities in Aruba are taking the case in a different direction.

Joseph Tacopina tells The Associated Press the Dutch teen he represents "just doesn't know" the latest person detained in the case. And Tacopina says that's good news for his client (Joran van der Sloot) because it suggests the investigators are taking a new tack.

After talking with Aruban authorities, Tacopina says his investigators believe the suspect, identified only as "G-V-C," was picked up because of a T-shirt with "relevant forensic information." Aruban officials say only that the detained man is 19 years old.

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Comments

[anniekwa]

Let's just see. Joran's mother, Anita, claimed that Joran never really spent much time with the Kalpoe brothers and wasn't that close of friends with them, yet Joran claims that they are willing to jump in the car to pick him up at 3 AM just because he called and asked. Joran claimed he didn't know Steve Croes, yet there were photos on the web with the two of them (posted prior to this case). So do we honestly believe that Joran does not know this kid just because he has convinced Joe T. that and tells others he doesn't know him? I am not that easily convinced he doesn't know this boy and if he doesn't, maybe this kid has information on Joran and this is going to actually do Joran's team more damage than good.

[Gypzywingz]

Wow I had to post a response because I have been reading off and on about the St Guilen (spelling) case in New York about and how the bouncer/security guy was the one arrested and was the last to see Ms St Guilen as he escorted her out of the bar that a.m. and how so many killers, serial killers etc. have held security jobs and positions that would earn trust. Maybe this could be, hey she was sitting there alone on the beach, if he saw her sitting alone she would most likely trust him if he worked hotel security.

[Shady Grove]

Where is investigative reporter Tito Lacle when we need him the most?? He's the only one who can crack this mystery wide and gain access to the new suspect by infiltrating the prison and posing as someone "b*tch".

[anniekwa]

With regard to GVC, acc'd to MSNBC, Arlene says that "witnesses are not arrested in Aruba, only suspects are arrested".

Posted by: Shari | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:10 PM

Shari, that doesn't make sense. They have detained others before who were "witnesses" including Paulus. The use of "semantics" may be the problem. Our press may be calling this an "arrest", but I have also heard it called a "detainment". Time will tell I suppose.

[Arubaanse]

Do you really think that the ALE is telling all about this case to this person Rita? Don't let me laugh.

Posted by: sunshine | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:04 PM

How are you sunshine?
Ach, about that...people believe everything they hear or see on tv. I am just gonna wait and see...

[sunshine]

Source: Aruban Boycott blog

"www.magic965.com at 7am this morning. Aruba International School just took out the soccer team alumi pictures. They were there this morning. Joran knows GVC."

..Absolutely false information. I check the ISA site last night looking for a connection..none, zero, zilch

Posted by: katya | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:58 PM

The school was closed. Its Easter monday.

[Arubaanse]

According to the Bradleys, a young visitor to Aruba, a fourteen year old boy, went missing last year after taking out a rented jet ski -- and has never been seen or heard from since. Guess which company was guarding the beach? Guess which party barg was nearby?

Price in South america for good looking American Blonde slave - BIG $$$

Posted by: Ann | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:07 PM

OMG!! do me a favor take a valium and go to sleep...

[Shari]

Yes, they've detained witnesses, but that is different from arresting them. Arlene Schipper made that comment about whom they arrest, not me. Don't shoot the messenger.

[jh]

Sunshine's right.

Here's the school calendar:

http://www.isaruba.com/activities/Calendar%202005-2006/ISA%20Calendar%2005-06.pdf

They're closed. There's no one there to get out the old photos.

[Sweetie]

How are you sunshine?
Ach, about that...people believe everything they hear or see on tv. I am just gonna wait and see...
Geez you people need to flipping chill, I just made a GD comment......................

[Arubaanse]

Geez you people need to flipping chill, I just made a GD comment......................

Posted by: Sweetie | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:20 PM

Sweetie, you are right.I need to chill:) I am going to take a valium go to sleep...

[wowzer]

This case is nearly solved - she is in SA.
Croes is involved so is GVC they did this before - now they are caught.

They took her to a room until transport - she is not Aruba anymore - these guys might talk. JVS and the bros are just required to get the drugged girl to the beach.

[Shari]

yep, he has blue eyes, Joe Taco just said it.

[redhead]

Okay, what's with the blue eyes?

[windy city]

This case is nearly solved - she is in SA.
Croes is involved so is GVC they did this before - now they are caught.

And you know this how?

[Sweetie]

Sweetie, you are right.I need to chill:) I am going to take a valium go to sleep..
Go for it.

[wreck]

This case is nearly solved - she is in SA.
Croes is involved so is GVC they did this before - now they are caught.

They took her to a room until transport - she is not Aruba anymore - these guys might talk. JVS and the bros are just required to get the drugged girl to the beach.

Posted by: wowzer | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:23 PM

... and you know this because...??????

[wreck]

... and you know this because...??????

Posted by: wreck | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:27 PM
(...lol- it DOES go along with my own theory, though)

[Shari]

Sounds like my theory also.

[sunshine]

Do you really think that the ALE is telling all about this case to this person Rita? Don't let me laugh.

Posted by: sunshine | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:04 PM

How are you sunshine?
Ach, about that...people believe everything they hear or see on tv. I am just gonna wait and see...

Posted by: Arubaanse | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:13 PM

On this blog I get the impression they do Arubaanse. They believe everything.

[Sgt. York]

Re: i still blame joran and j2k. they lead the "investigation" away from the beach and towards the security guards at the HI.

Much worse than that.

# A girl is missing and there is suspician that she has been kidnapped - Joran denies even knowing her despite being with her the previous night. A normal person (ie, not a rapist-sociopath) would have responded, "Oh my gosh, a girl is missing... let me show you the exact spot I last saw her" so the police could start a search.

# Next, Joran is confronted with his lie - and fabicates another lie. He claims that he dropped her off at the Hotel... then he frames two black security guards and implies they kidnapped her.

# While in custody, Joran accuses Deepak of raping and killing her. Later he changes his mind and states that was a lie.

This guy is s steaming pile of lies. We are going on one-year and it's obvious that he is still lying.

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[sunshine]

Okay, what's with the blue eyes?

Posted by: redhead | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:25 PM

Blue eyes Frank Sinatra is dead long time ago..hehehehe

[TYLER]

(...lol- it DOES go along with my own theory, though)

Posted by: wreck | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:29 PM

and whats your theory wreck ?

[windy city]

On this blog I get the impression they do Arubaanse. They believe everything.

Posted by: sunshine | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Who is they? I beleive what I beleive, not what I read or am told.
Wreck,
I was on that theory initially. Then I thought she was dead. Now I don't know what the hell to think.

[Shari]

Dan put a new thread out.

[Arubaanse]

I don't know, that theory doesn't make sense to me...Why on earth does he want to kidnap Natalee and sell her to SA??

[scubajap]

www.magic965.com at 7am this morning. Aruba International School just took out the soccer team alumi pictures. They were there this morning. Joran knows GVC."

Hi Scuba,
What do you make of this? Do you think it is true?
very confusing!

Posted by: windy city | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:49 PM

news to me, but I will admit, I have been out of the loop today. so anything is possible, but I do know this kid has been in the work force for awhile. Lots of people hang out at c & c and I think that Rita Cosby will try to find anything that can back up her initial claim that they have been in contact for the last 10 months, but I would like to know how in the world she would know that. Has she been hacking into his computer and reading his e-mails? tapping his phone calls? How would she know that?

[redhead]

Someone, anyone, please

Why do you keep asking if the kid has blue eyes? I'm dying of curiosity!

[scubajap]

Okay, what's with the blue eyes?

Posted by: redhead | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:25 PM

Blue eyes Frank Sinatra is dead long time ago..hehehehe

Posted by: sunshine | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:33 PM

It was reported by Julie Renfro, Angela Munzenhofer and a holiday inn employee that at the beginning Beth said that Natalee called her from Aruba and told her that she was in love with a boy "with blue eyes"
also, a taxi driver says that some friends were arguing with Natalee in his cab about her being in love with some boy in only a day or two, that how could she be when she hardly knows him, or something to that effect. Also it is in the Vanity Fair article.

[scubajap]

Beth denies the phone call, but there are three witnesses that state she said it happened when she first came to Aruba, and then she said no, Natalee never called. It has been reported she was quite surprised when Joran did not have blue eyes. of course that is hearsay, so I can't swear to it.
Ok?

[redhead]

Thank you Scubajap

[windy city]

news to me, but I will admit, I have been out of the loop today. so anything is possible, but I do know this kid has been in the work force for awhile. Lots of people hang out at c & c and I think that Rita Cosby will try to find anything that can back up her initial claim that they have been in contact for the last 10 months, but I would like to know how in the world she would know that. Has she been hacking into his computer and reading his e-mails? tapping his phone calls? How would she know that?

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:42 PM
I thought she said she got the info from ale. But that doesn't make sense to me.

[Fab]

@ scubajap

I know I'm not making myself popular with my next post but what the hell it's just some theory. ;)
What if Natalee just needed a ride to the fshermans huts that nights? Her being a little drunk maybe said things that Joran took as passes at Himself. But she just needed a ride to the fisherman's hut's because she had to meet this boy. The blue eyed boy she was in "love" it.
Turns this guy is just a freak and joran told the truth all along.
Feel free to diss my theory. hehe

[scubajap]

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:42 PM
I thought she said she got the info from ale. But that doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: windy city | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:53 PM
the only information being given out by the ALE is in the AP articles and that is the extent of it. They are revealing nothing else. They are in Dutch, but I can get the faxes and send them to Dan if you want to see them. The ALE is being very, very quiet on this. What you see from the AP article is all that is confirmed by ALE, anything else is from the reporters themselves, or from the families. Not the police.

[Ruddy]

Scuba

Joran knowns this guy. I read it on the internet which means my references are as strong as yours (employee from H.I.)

hahaha

[windy city]

Scuba,
there seems do be some debate whether Rita is in Aruba or not. Do you know? TIA

[scubajap]

Posted by: Fab | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:56 PM

Fab, at this moment, everything is speculation. GvC's involvement, his realtion to the boys, or not, what he has done or whether he is only a witness, whether something came up that made them look at that shirt again. I do know this, they asked him in for what was supposed to be some routine questions, but indescrepencies in his statements led to them "arresting" him. In Aruba, there is no need for a judge to issue a warrant, the law allows a person to be held initially without substantiated charges. This has alway been the problem and misunderstanding from the beginning. This event could be very significant, or mean nothing. Perhaps he is guilty of something, or he could lead to other people or back to the boys, there is absolutely no way of knowing anything conclusive at this point.

[windy city]

know I'm not making myself popular with my next post but what the hell it's just some theory. ;)
What if Natalee just needed a ride to the fshermans huts that nights? Her being a little drunk maybe said things that Joran took as passes at Himself. But she just needed a ride to the fisherman's hut's because she had to meet this boy. The blue eyed boy she was in "love" it.
Turns this guy is just a freak and joran told the truth all along.
Feel free to diss my theory. hehe

Posted by: Fab | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:56 PM

It's as good as anybody else's. But what wouldn't make sense are the initial lies. But who knows at this point.

[windy city]

Fab, at this moment, everything is speculation. GvC's involvement, his realtion to the boys, or not, what he has done or whether he is only a witness, whether something came up that made them look at that shirt again. I do know this, they asked him in for what was supposed to be some routine questions, but indescrepencies in his statements led to them "arresting" him. In Aruba, there is no need for a judge to issue a warrant, the law allows a person to be held initially without substantiated charges. This has alway been the problem and misunderstanding from the beginning. This event could be very significant, or mean nothing. Perhaps he is guilty of something, or he could lead to other people or back to the boys, there is absolutely no way of knowing anything conclusive at this point.

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:04 PM

I read down in the dungeon that he will be detained another week. Does this now make him a suspect?

[scubajap]

Scuba

Joran knowns this guy. I read it on the internet which means my references are as strong as yours (employee from H.I.)

hahaha

Posted by: Ruddy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:03 PM

do I actually KNOW him, not that I recall, but he worked for a watersports company that I know well and where I spent a lot of time. did I ever say Hi to him? very possibly, as it is where my son got his SCUBA certification, and when he took his check out dives I went with him, so it is possible he was around, but I don't remember him at all.
But as for him personally, I don't recognize his face. People that do know him say he is a nice boy from a good family. Not one of those that would come to mind when considering what happened. So all is speculation right now. I have been making calls to get more information, but everyone has their phones turned off.
I know that CNN arrived yesterday, and that most of the news channels were on their way, so it is entirely possible that Rita Cosby and the rest are here by now. The flight from NY gets here at about 2 and there is another from Newark at 3:45 or so.

[wreck]

Tyler, I have stated my "theory" several times. Here is a brief synopsis:
My opinion from VERY early on is that there is someone (or some group) on the island that holds "the power." Most likely a drug lord or the like. I have always considered that Joran/Kalpoes have been involved -- but not necessiarly the ones that caused her final demise/disappearance. Are they perhaps young "soldiers" in the "underbelly" of Aruba? Are they merely in the business of "procurement" for someone higher up the chain? Perhaps, it may have started out as "fun" and "something bad happened." The higher ups either had to get rid of her -- or even may have helped their own "soldiers"
to cover their own "problem." This of course is just a plausible scenario to me -- that is really not hard to accept from what we really know.

Posted by: wreck | Friday, April 14, 2006 at 02:05 PM

again, it's just a "theory" that makes sense to me.

[scubajap]

I read down in the dungeon that he will be detained another week. Does this now make him a suspect?

Posted by: windy city | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:10 PM
First he is held for three days, and then they must bring him before the judge who will decide if there is sufficient reason to keep him for another 8 days. Each time he comes before the judge the prosecutor must show just cause to keep him longer, that there is the possibility of uncovering more evidence to remand for trial.
Most cases that I can recall the suspects have confessed, the case of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers is the first of its kind in Aruba, where they could not get a confession from the suspects, aside from Jones and Johns, of course. That is why we are all holding our breathes here, and why after the first month of incarceration many experienced island reporters (and I was not one of them, I like everyone else thought that J2K was guilty at the beginning, and it took me a long time and a lot of digging to change my mind, those that have followed the progression of my thinking can attest to that)anyway, after about 3 weeks of J2K not cracking, a number of Aruban crime reporters began to have their doubts. Aruban cops usually get a confession out of their suspects. They are not gentle with them.

[sunshine]

I read down in the dungeon that he will be detained another week. Does this now make him a suspect?

Posted by: windy city | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:10 PM

That we will know by tomorrow when the judge decide.

[scubajap]

Scuba

Joran knowns this guy. I read it on the internet which means my references are as strong as yours (employee from H.I.)

hahaha

Posted by: Ruddy | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:03 PM

ok, I won't argue with you. Sorry, I misunderstood your post. But how does your employee friend know this, is he close with Joran? with GvC? Has he seen them pass each other and nod? Everyone here does that, even people I don't know give me a "Bon Dia"
So could you be more precise? I am very interested. Again, this is not coming from the police. and Ruddy, are you from Aruba? how do you know HI employees?

[scubajap]

I will leave you guys to thrash this out. Wreck, I think your theory justifies you nickname. it displays a lot of melodrama, and will make interesting cinema, but shows little real knowledge of Aruba.
The people that "hold power" in Aruba are the Hotel General Managers, they are the real power brokers. Aruba has drug users and dealers, I will admit, but they are not a driving or ruling force on this island in anyway, only a small society that our police and many concerned individuals and groups are fighting very hard to contain and eliminate, and this I know about, because it IS one of the things I do report on.
Anyway, tomorrow we will know what is going on. If I find out anything of real consequence before then that is worth reporting, I will post it at FOB most likely.

[wreck]

will leave you guys to thrash this out. Wreck, I think your theory justifies you nickname. it displays a lot of melodrama, and will make interesting cinema, but shows little real knowledge of Aruba.
The people that "hold power" in Aruba are the Hotel General Managers, they are the real power brokers. Aruba has drug users and dealers, I will admit, but they are not a driving or ruling force on this island in anyway, only a small society that our police and many concerned individuals and groups are fighting very hard to contain and eliminate, and this I know about, because it IS one of the things I do report on.
Anyway, tomorrow we will know what is going on. If I find out anything of real consequence before then that is worth reporting, I will post it at FOB most likely.

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:31 PM

Well, I don't buy that Aruba is Disneyland. It is for a fact a major player in the burgeoning drug market and is home to offshore gambling and bookmaking. Posner has known ties to organized crime. Restaurants, Hotels, and gift shops are nice -- but the "big" money is in other ventures.

[windy city]

Anyway, tomorrow we will know what is going on. If I find out anything of real consequence before then that is worth reporting, I will post it at FOB most likely.

Posted by: scubajap | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:31 PM

thank you for your input.

[scubajap]

Well, I don't buy that Aruba is Disneyland. It is for a fact a major player in the burgeoning drug market and is home to offshore gambling and bookmaking. Posner has known ties to organized crime. Restaurants, Hotels, and gift shops are nice -- but the "big" money is in other ventures.

Posted by: wreck | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 05:47 PM

well then, wreck, don't come to Aruba, go to Disneyland.

[frenchymom]

Nicely said, Scubajap.

[punkingale]

Beth Twitty is NOT Marcia Twitty's sister!!! She's her sister-in-law. They are married to brothers, Jug & Jar.