Forensic Evidence In Holloway Case?

Update: VCB Security home page.

Update: ABC's Good Morning America has an image of Cromvoirt here.

Evidently he would have been patroling the beach that night in his role as a security guard for, among others, the Holiday Inn. Cromvoirt was employed in a family owned security firm.

Von Cromvoirt worked for a private security company that patrols beaches outside Aruba's hotels. Holloway was last seen leaving an Aruba bar with van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were held for 25 days before being released. Van der Sloot has said he left Holloway on a beach near her hotel after they had kissed.

Von Cromvoirt's family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Von Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn's beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

There may be, according to a new statement from Van der Sloot attorney, Joe Tacopina. It's unclear what that might mean. One circulating but unconfirmed identity of the 19 year old Aruban arrested is Godfried van Cromvoirt. Several articles of clothing were discovered during the search for Holloway's body. It's unclear which, if any, might have held some type of evidence.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba A lawyer for a former suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance says he thinks authorities in Aruba are taking the case in a different direction.

Joseph Tacopina tells The Associated Press the Dutch teen he represents "just doesn't know" the latest person detained in the case. And Tacopina says that's good news for his client (Joran van der Sloot) because it suggests the investigators are taking a new tack.

After talking with Aruban authorities, Tacopina says his investigators believe the suspect, identified only as "G-V-C," was picked up because of a T-shirt with "relevant forensic information." Aruban officials say only that the detained man is 19 years old.

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Comments

[Shari]

They've had this shirt since LAST JUNE, why is it first surfacing now? Why didn't they test the blood found on that shirt early on? The company name is on the shirt...this should have been solved a year ago.

Simply frustrating.

Until she comes home...

[Sol Rosenberg]

Another smoke-and-mirrors tactic (yawn).

- Sol

[lindadanette]

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/04/16/arrest-made-in-natalee-holloway-case.php
One site that has been following the case says that the suspect, 19 year-old Godfried van Cromvoirt, has a sister who is an Aruban police officer and that he's a beach bum who is a friend of Steve Croes - the boat captain who attempted to provide an alibi for Joran van der Sloot last year.

The AP report does not mention of the story from last week about Aruban authorities looking for a 20-year-old man who allegedly harassed a woman on the same beach nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, but their proximity could be relevant.

[xxx]

I simply don't believe this guy's arrest has anything to do with a t shirt from June....this is another example of idiots involved in this case running with information they find ON THE INTERNET and assuming it is fact...

We know that is how Dompig got some of his crackpot theories and it seems Joran's lawyer is doing the same thing.

I believe they arrested this guy because they think he knows something, not becasue they found some kind of physical evidence or link.

[Sol Rosenberg]

I just love math. He's a really simple mathematical breakdown of the case:

(3) boys + (1) daddy = X

where

X = THE ANSWER!!!

[Shari]

just to clarify, they're now saying the suspect's first name is Geoffrey.

[Arubaanse]

I heard that the reason why they arrest him was because of a tip that came in after the show "opsporings verzocht". If that is true...I don't know!

[Sweetie]

Another smoke-and-mirrors tactic (yawn).

- Sol

I believe so also........................ Wait and see I guess.

[jh]

Sol wrote:

(3) boys + (1) daddy = X

===

Can you please really accept the fact that if evidence leads to someone else doing this, that what you think might be incorrect? This case has taken nearly a year to get to the point where something NEW is actually occurring. Why can't you have an open mind and let the actual evidence point to the crime, instead of letting the news media make the crimes up on page 1 to discount them later on page 10?

I can accept it if JVDS / 2K are guilty. I can accept it if someone else is guilty. Can you?

Seriously, pull your heads out of the sand. What's better, doing what feels good, or doing what is right?

[xxx]

Assuming the photo ABC posted is of the guy under arrest, he doesn't look like someone who would violently murder a STRANGER he ran across randomly on the beach...which would have to be where he encountered Natalee if we are to believe Joran.

He looks exactly like someone who would know either Joran or K2 to me.

I don't care if Joran is or isn't guilty, I would like to know what happened to Natalee.

But I think it very, very unlikely that this individual respresents an entirely new line of inquiry.

My guess is they think he knows something...either as a witness or as someone who was told information by one of the suspects or one of their friends.

[weet]

Oh, give me a break XXX, is that the best you got? "He doesn't look like a murderer, he looks like someone who would be friends with JVDS."

since when is appearance an objective way of determining who is a murderer, and who shoudl be friends with whom? ted bundy didn't look like a murderer. eric harris didn't look like a murderer. half of my friends don't "look like" someone who would hang out with me.

[xxx]

You guys can believe what what you want to believe, I do NOT believe this represents a new line of inquiry or a new theory.

I believe they picked him up to lean on him because they think/hope he has some info. about Joran or the Kalpoes.

I freely admit I may be wrong, but to me the idea of this totally hot golden boy randomly finding Natalee on the beach and then killing her is pretty far fetched unless he's a got a history of violent behavior.

[asking for it]

good post weet

[jh]

xxx,

True.. but where is Joran's or Deepak's or Satish's History of violence?

Frankly, we don't even know, for sure, that this GVC guy in custody is the GVC guy they showed pictures of. We don't even know his name for certain. So how can you assess his history of violence when you don't even know who he is?

[jon]

What's really annoying is that JQK said on NBC this morning that he was told by the prosecutor the arrest was for information and that GVC is not suspected of direct involvement, yet that's not being reported anywhere... all the quotes are from Taco talking about the T-shirt and how Joran doesn't know GVC, and the tone of all the media coverage is very Joran-friendly. I think this is an example of how the media are always natural allies of the defense, because a case where the prime suspect may be innocent is more interesting than one where he is obviously guilty.

[xxx]

It is because people are STUPID and they hear what they want to hear...I will say it again, the idea that this is a totally new line of inquiry is silly.

Of course the media like "bloody t shirt' better than 'someone told him something that someone else heard from Joran or K2'...its much more 'newsy'

Joe T. is paying way too much attention to the refugees and he is going to get burned eventually.

I stand by my belief there is NO WAY a t shirt found on June 6th is just now being linked to this person or to Natalee Holloway.

They picked him up because they think he has info on the prime suspects.

[Arubaanse]

They picked him up because they think he has info on the prime suspects.

Posted by: xxx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 02:30 PM

I agree with xxx...

[KAT_IS_DEVIL]

I did read what JQK said ... that KJ told him that this one was picked up for information.

He works for that secuity company now, but, he is only 19. Did he work there in May of 2005. The sister was sworn in as a polis in August of 2005.

Maybe he just did SEE something.

Why do the ALE in Aruba always talk in circles ?
They throw a " detention " out there and a " detainee " with initials and then talk without saying anything.

According to KJ via JQK, this was in the works for a while.

So, we can wait or wait and make accusations until
he is released or detained.

[xxx]

I am not accusing anyone of anything, my take is this is going to lead to nothing just like all other "arrests" of people associated with the suspects..Freddie, Jamie, etc. etc.

[DennisAOK]

I am with xxx also. The shirt found last June had no DNA from Natalee, and I find it hard to beleive anyone would be so stupid as to leave a bloody shirt behind at a crime scene.

[c]

old story........

even scubajab knows about it...

I guess Twitts know how to put pressure on Aruba.... except they are not on TV that frequently to talk nonsense.

[dreamquestrob]

There is one posibility here that hasn’t been discussed for a long time. And that is the alleged sighting of the three boys at the pond in the early moring hours. After studying satellite images of the area it seems to me that this would be a good vantage point to observe things going on at the beach near the fisherman huts…the area where joran allegedly abandoned Natalee.

What if the three boys really were there and what if there were watching what actually happened to natalee from that vantage point — potentially making the three very material witnesses — unless, of course they might have had a prearranged deal to drop her there for someone else (preditor) to pick up on her (the new arrestee?)…

This might explain why the boys have kept quiet, or the pointing of fingers at security people in the early stages, or even fear of reprisal since the security people are connected to the ALE through those contracts…

I have a feeling this will get even more bizarre before it is over….

[Tosh]

"and that he's a beach bum who is a friend of Steve Croes - the boat captain who attempted to provide an alibi for Joran van der Sloot last year."

Or the boat captain knew who did it and supported JVS's "black dudes did it" defense to help forbid looking further into who really did it.

Just idle thoughts...

[scubajap]

Posted: Mon Apr 17th, 2006 02:15 pm Quote Reply

Lawyer: Past suspect in Aruba case doesn't know person detained
MARGARET WEVER
Associated Press
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A lawyer for a Dutch youth detained previously as a suspect in the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway said Monday that his client did not know the latest person arrested by Aruban authorities in the case.

Joseph Tacopina, a U.S. lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, said the detention of a person identified by authorities only as "G.V.C." was good news for his client because it suggested the investigation was heading in a new direction.

"My client doesn't know him at all," Tacopina said in an interview with The Associated Press. "He just doesn't know him, period."

The detainee's name has been reported by some media outlets in varying forms, but Aruban authorities have declined to confirm his identity.

Tacopina, who said his investigators had been in contact with Aruban authorities, said "G.V.C" was detained because police recovered a T-shirt belonging to him with "relevant forensic information" from the south side of the Dutch Caribbean island.

The lawyer said he did not know details about the forensic information or how it related to the disappearance of Holloway, a vacationing Alabama teen who was last seen leaving a bar with van der Sloot and two other young men May 30 - the final night of her high school graduation trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot, now a college student in the Netherlands, has long maintained that he left Holloway on a beach near her hotel and has denied any wrongdoing.

"Anything is good for my client because we're not afraid of an investigation," said Tacopina, who is defending van der Sloot in a civil suit filed by Holloway's parents in the United States.

Aruban authorities have released few details on the latest development. Over the weekend, they said only that the detained man is 19 years old and has the initials "G.V.C." In Aruba, when an arrest is announced, officials usually release only a suspect's initials.

Aruban authorities declined to comment Monday.

The mother of Natalee Holloway, Beth Twitty, and other relatives in Alabama don't know much about the arrest in Aruba, according to an aunt of the missing teen.

"We were all together Saturday when (Beth) found out," Marcia Twitty, sister of Beth Twitty, said in an interview Monday. "She's been a little overwhelmed with people trying to call her and all."

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/14361976.htm

[scubajap]

and that he's a beach bum who is a friend of Steve Croes - the boat captain who attempted to provide an alibi for Joran van der Sloot last year."

Or the boat captain knew who did it and supported JVS's "black dudes did it" defense to help forbid looking further into who really did it.

Just idle thoughts...

Posted by: Tosh | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:15 PM
the police have not mentioned anything of Steve Croes, who is NOT a boat captain, but worked as a DJ on the Tattoo. Check back on Dan's articles

[IMHERE]

Does this guy have blue eyes?

[Shari]

Dreamquestrob...I don't think J2K were witnesses. I think they usually pass girls on to him, and that's why they said they thought "she'd turn up later". I don't buy into the theory that they don't know this kid.

[scubajap]

Does this guy have blue eyes?

Posted by: IMHERE | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:31 PM
we have been having a touch time finding a pic that give a definitive answer to that question. will have to get back to you on that

[iloveaustinames]

even if this guy is guilty, i still blame joran and j2k. they lead the "investigation" away from the beach and towards the security guards at the HI. if, say joran is telling the truth and left nat on the beach, then maybe all efforts would have been on the beach and who was at the beach that night etc. seeing that this guy was working detail at that specific local that night, maybe the police would have zeroed in on him faster. then again, even after joran tells his truth about leaving her on the beach, this guy should have been sought back then. this makes no sense.

[anniekwa]

Posted by: dreamquestrob | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:10 PM

That theory makes no sense to me. Why would Joran sit in jail for months for a kid he doesn't claim to know?

[anniekwa]

Does this guy have blue eyes?

Posted by: IMHERE | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:31 PM

Not sure, but is there a significance I am missing to do with blue eyes?

[windy city]

This kid is about Jorans age. I wonder where he attended school?

[scubajap]

interesting reading

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1849859

[scubajap]

He did not attend ISA-in fact he has been in the work force for at least 2 years already, so Joran would have been 15 or younger when he was out working on the beach. Joran's friends are mostly school chums, aside from Deepak, who is Satish's older brother, and Satish is still in school.
The interesting thing to note in this story is that he is reported to have been part of the patrol around the Holiday Inn. Whether this was at the time Natalee disappeared or not, I do not know, but I am sure that is part of what the police are checking.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Bene]

Joran says he doesn't know him but what about the other two? Do they know him? Anybody here know if they had a comment?

[IMHERE]

Scuba

Even JQK said that Joran and GVC were not friends, just said they had common friends, also stated on Today show GVC being held for information.

[iloveaustinames]

here is my question...how long have they had this shirt? i would go as far to guess that it would have to have been a long time to get forensic evidence off of it. i would think that after nearly a year, a shirt sitting outside, not found after the numerous searches would not be too much good for evidence. if they have had said shirt for a period of time, wouldn't a main focus be to find who owned the shirt? did the holloway/twitty's know about this evidence? i'm just not believing any of this.

[Justice for Natalee]

Source: Aruban Boycott blog

"www.magic965.com at 7am this morning. Aruba International School just took out the soccer team alumi pictures. They were there this morning. Joran knows GVC."

CNN reported that Geoffrey von Cromvoirt is a regular at Carlos & Charlies

Rita Cosby reported that Joran and Geoffrey von Cromvoirt know each other. She stated that this information comes from the ALE as she is in Aruba right now. She also states that it is a known that this new suspect was in contact with the three suspects, especially Joran over the last 10 months. Rita is adamant that "Aruban Officials" have said that Joran has "told Geoffrey von Cromvoirt after the fact" things about the "murder and disposal" of Natalee. They have followed this communication from "other witnesses" for at least 3 months.

[Shari]

wow, another lie - no surprise.

[Tosh]

"the police have not mentioned anything of Steve Croes, who is NOT a boat captain, but worked as a DJ on the Tattoo. Check back on Dan's articles"

Okay, whoever the guy was who supported the "black guys did it" story but turned out to have been dreaming it up, manbe to be part of the biggest story in Aruba's history, may have had some other motive beyond pursuing idle fantasies.

I have no idea that's true, or half-true, or anything else on this board is true, just idle gossip. Just hypothecising.

[windy city]

www.magic965.com at 7am this morning. Aruba International School just took out the soccer team alumi pictures. They were there this morning. Joran knows GVC."

Hi Scuba,
What do you make of this? Do you think it is true?
very confusing!

[Tosh]

Joran might know him and might have told the truth too, via his American lawyer (and you have to trust the lawyer had a full conversation with Joran).

Joran might know the guy as "Godfried" or "Geoffrey" and first heard the erroneous name first in the print media.

Which is the erroneous name? I don't know, I've seen both. Don't trust quickie English language reports from muirky Dutch/Papiamento rumors/reports.

[katya]

Source: Aruban Boycott blog

"www.magic965.com at 7am this morning. Aruba International School just took out the soccer team alumi pictures. They were there this morning. Joran knows GVC."

..Absolutely false information. I check the ISA site last night looking for a connection..none, zero, zilch

[Sweetie]

Rita Cosby reported that Joran and Geoffrey von Cromvoirt know each other. She stated that this information comes from the ALE as she is in Aruba right now. She also states that it is a known that this new suspect was in contact with the three suspects, especially Joran over the last 10 months. Rita is adamant that "Aruban Officials" have said that Joran has "told Geoffrey von Cromvoirt after the fact" things about the "murder and disposal" of Natalee. They have followed this communication from "other witnesses" for at least 3 months.
3 MONTHS!! What???? This is for now hearsay. Wow, if this is true then WOW.

[sunshine]

You guys can believe what what you want to believe, I do NOT believe this represents a new line of inquiry or a new theory.

I believe they picked him up to lean on him because they think/hope he has some info. about Joran or the Kalpoes.

I freely admit I may be wrong, but to me the idea of this totally hot golden boy randomly finding Natalee on the beach and then killing her is pretty far fetched unless he's a got a history of violent behavior.

Posted by: xxx | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 02:19 PM

You are talking about killing? How do you know if Joran and others wanted to kill her? We don't know if she is killed do we XXX.

[sunshine]

Rita Cosby reported that Joran and Geoffrey von Cromvoirt know each other. She stated that this information comes from the ALE as she is in Aruba right now. She also states that it is a known that this new suspect was in contact with the three suspects, especially Joran over the last 10 months. Rita is adamant that "Aruban Officials" have said that Joran has "told Geoffrey von Cromvoirt after the fact" things about the "murder and disposal" of Natalee. They have followed this communication from "other witnesses" for at least 3 months.
3 MONTHS!! What???? This is for now hearsay. Wow, if this is true then WOW.

Posted by: Sweetie | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 04:00 PM

Do you really think that the ALE is telling all about this case to this person Rita? Don't let me laugh.

[Shari]

I say they should put all these boys in the same room and watch them sing.

[Ann]

Steve Croes and CVS - interesting fellows

One of the band members of Blue Orchid, which was providing music and entertainment aboard the Rhapsody when Amy Bradley went missing, was nicknamed "Yellow."

The fourth person to be named as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is a Disc Jockey for music entertainment aboard a "party barge" which operates from Aruba, a man named Croes, who played for a band named "Yellowjacket". Croes was on board the ship.

According to the Bradleys, a young visitor to Aruba, a fourteen year old boy, went missing last year after taking out a rented jet ski -- and has never been seen or heard from since. Guess which company was guarding the beach? Guess which party barg was nearby?

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[anniekwa]

.Absolutely false information. I check the ISA site last night looking for a connection..none, zero, zilch

Posted by: katya | Monday, April 17, 2006 at 03:58 PM
katya, that doesn't make it false. It could be that the site only has more recent photos and that the school has on display (like most schools do) past sports photos that show Joran and Geoffrey in the same photo because they both play soccer. It may not be on the website because it is older than what they have up.

[Shari]

With regard to GVC, acc'd to MSNBC, Arlene says that "witnesses are not arrested in Aruba, only suspects are arrested".