Dompig - My Son Misled ALE

Lawd, what a circus.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala., April 25 (UPI) -- The former leader of Aruba's investigation of the disappearance of Alabamian Natalee Holloway says his son falsely accused a man who was released Monday.

Gerold Dompig said accusations of his son, Michael, against Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, were part of a dispute among acquaintances that escalated out of control.

"He's a kid; he got confused and frustrated and he said things he shouldn't have said," Dompig told the Birmingham (Ala.) News. "It went too far."

Dompig said his son -- angered by media accusations -- responded with talk he had heard about van Cromvoirt.

"One started talking about the other and the other talked back and it becomes something worse than a soap (opera)," Dompig said.

Dompig said he apologized to van Cromvoirt's family and requested reassignment earlier this month since talk about Holloway's nearly year-old disappearance adversely affected his family.

Holloway's mother said she believes the three original suspects are at fault in Holloway's disappearance.

Comments

[kaycee77025]

I guess you forgot that the "three guys who screwed her" say that none of them had sex with her???

But I agree with you, the three guys did screw her, but in the real world, when you "screw" an unconscious, semi conscious over served drunk girl that is a GANG RAPE.

And that is what they have been hiding all along.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:48 AM
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You're making this up, aren't you.

[Shelly]

Does anyone know if this is "Strawberry", "Allen Raphael", or another Aruban that looks like the sketch? http://album.pancayente.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=0&pos=6

[xxx]

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

If she had enough to drink to KILL HER, are you saying that she was sober enough to consent to group sex with three strangers?

You must be one of those people that think girls who pass out from drinking are 'fair game' and they must have wanted a few strangers to fuck them while they were passed out, otherwise they would have been more responsible with their drinking. Girls are just soooo messed up about sex that they can't say 'yes' they have to be passed out cold or so drunk they don't know their own name in order to have sex....

Nice attitude,no wonder you think Joran and the Kalpoes are innocent, nice guys who didn't do anything wrong.

[xxx]

You're making this up, aren't you.
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Making what up?

That having sex with someone who is passed out or passing out is rape?

Or that I think that is what the suspects did with Natalee?

No, I am not making it up, it is ILLEGAL to have sex with an unconsciouis person or a person so incapacitated they don't know what is happening and cannot then consent to any sex.

Yes, I BELIEVE that Natalee was raped.

[jh]

xxx,

See, this is what I mean by "assumptions." We don't even know if anyone had sex with Natalee. We can assume she is dead because she is not present nor has she presented herself, but do we really honestly know if she consented to sex with three strangers?

Where's the concrete evidence (no, not evidence linked by Dompig or Jossy's Politically biased paper) to prove that there was sex at all?

We know Natalee was drinking. We don't know a thing about sex.

[mylena]

But I agree with you, the three guys did screw her, but in the real world, when you "screw" an unconscious, semi conscious over served drunk girl that is a GANG RAPE.

And that is what they have been hiding all along.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:48 AM

how do you know that all three of them screwed her ?

[kaycee77025]

You're making this up, aren't you.
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Making what up?

That having sex with someone who is passed out or passing out is rape?

Or that I think that is what the suspects did with Natalee?

No, I am not making it up, it is ILLEGAL to have sex with an unconsciouis person or a person so incapacitated they don't know what is happening and cannot then consent to any sex.

Yes, I BELIEVE that Natalee was raped.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:04 PM
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What do they call it when we make up things that we don't know are true?

[xxx]

Of course it is an assumption, but in my OPINION, based on the general sexual activities of 18 year old girls, what we know of Natalee, haveing been UNIFORMLY described by her friends as not terrible experienced with boys when I have the following three options

1) no sex
2) rape
3) consensual group sex

I do not believe that consensual group sex is a very plausible theory, in fact I think it is disrespectful and VISCIOUS for people to come on an anonymous board and say that Natalee was a drunk floozy who got screwed on the beach by three strangers.

No, we don't if any sex occured, but it is MY OPINION that if nothing untoward really happened with Natalee and Joran and K2 they simply would not have lied. They would have said, we went for a ride, fooled around and I left her on the beach walking toward her hotel.

There would not have been any conceivable, plausible, fathomable, logical or even irrational reason to lie if Joran's current story is the truth.

Therefore, I conclude since it is fact that he lied, that he was not lying to cover up a non story with no wrongdoing by anyone, but he was lying at a minimum to cover up some kind of wrong doing..and when I see 3 guys 1 drunk very pretty girl it occurs to me that the most likely wrongdoing they would cover up is rape.

[xxx]

What do they call it when we make up things that we don't know are true?
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You need to work on your reading comprehension sister friend.

I said I BELIEVE they raped her, it is MY OPINION.

Therefore, unless my opinion is contradicted by known facts, it cannot, by definition be a lie.

[kaycee77025]

What do they call it when we make up things that we don't know are true?
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You need to work on your reading comprehension sister friend.

I said I BELIEVE they raped her, it is MY OPINION.

Therefore, unless my opinion is contradicted by known facts, it cannot, by definition be a lie.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:14 PM
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Thou shalt not bear false witness ...

[xxx]

It is my opinion that you are an idiot.

It is my opinion that George Bush is a moron, though I cannot prove it.

It is my opinion that OJ Simpson killed his wife despite being acquitted.

It is my opinion that human actions are accerating global warming.

It is my opinion there have not been weapons of mass descruction in Iraq since the early 1990's.

It is my opinion that there exists a double standard with regard to women and men when sex is concerned.

It is my opinion that Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe are guilty of harming Natalee.

There ain't no bearing false witness about it.

[mylena]

the police car conversation between suspects seems to suggest that all three could not have been simultanously involved in a crime against Natalee.

[sheesh]

kaycee....
I believe you are retarded.
He stated it was his OPINION, not a fact.
The only fact is that you're stupid.

[xxx]

Mylena,

I think the police car conversation indicates that K2 did leave Joran and Natalee somewhere and that they don't know what happened to her after that.

I also thought the Satish running over some girl could have been a reason why they helped Joran...they weren't necessarily cover up harm they had done to Natalee but some other prior bad act...I also think it is highly possible that they did harm Natalee and then left her at Joran's or wherever they really were, which I don't think was the beach.

[kaycee77025]

It is my opinion that you are an idiot.
It is my opinion that George Bush is a moron, though I cannot prove it.
It is my opinion that OJ Simpson killed his wife despite being acquitted.
It is my opinion that human actions are accerating global warming.
It is my opinion there have not been weapons of mass descruction in Iraq since the early 1990's.
It is my opinion that there exists a double standard with regard to women and men when sex is concerned.
It is my opinion that Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe are guilty of harming Natalee.
There ain't no bearing false witness about it.
Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:21 PM
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If your opinion is wrong, you are bearing false witness. The commandment demands just the facts, not weaselling with words.

[sheesh]

So you don't have any opinions about anything? You're a frickin idiot. Go somewhere you bible thumping lunatic.If you aren't interested in anyone's opinions, then there is no reason for you to be here in the first place.

[mylena]

I think the police car conversation indicates that K2 did leave Joran and Natalee somewhere and that they don't know what happened to her after that.

I also thought the Satish running over some girl could have been a reason why they helped Joran...they weren't necessarily cover up harm they had done to Natalee but some other prior bad act...I also think it is highly possible that they did harm Natalee and then left her at Joran's or wherever they really were, which I don't think was the beach.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:27 PM

those situations are not ruled out , but if all of them did RAPE Natalee at the same time and place , the police car conversation is inconsistent with that. dont u think ?

[tktk]

The case should be closed. Immediately. I believe that Aruba should call it "unsolved" and "closed". The more days pass by, the stupider and stupider this circus gets. Let's save face Aruba, and close the case. The PM and ALE should issue a letter of apology to the Twitty/Holloway camp for their inability to solve the case due to lack of a confession and/or lack of evidence, and MOVE ON ALREADY!! Like that person that earlier: "Aruba has bent over backwards to accomodate selfish and demanding Americans who insist on having someone to blame for every mishap and inconvenience they encounter." I couldn't have said it better!!!

[kaycee77025]

mylena, the whole cop car conversation was based on lies told by the police. It didn't get the confessions the police were looking for, and are meaningless.

[rwilymz]

"You seem to be contradicting yourself."

You are making another round of assumption, based almost entirely on your equivocating use of terms, which leads you to *presume* I'm contradicting myself.

"If she had enough to drink to KILL HER, are you saying that she was sober enough to consent to group sex with three strangers?"

a] I never said, nor even suggested, that she "had enough drink to kill her". This makes multiple times you've used this sort of reference [also including dying from alcohol poisoning] when I never made any such statements.
b] I suggested that she passed out.
c] then I said that people who are passed out on a beach with a tide or current might end up in Brazil [specifically I said "shark food" but this is to the ludicrous point of poetic license now].
d] frankly, she might also have merely drowned after passing out close to the ocean.

In any event, alcohol poisoning kills by causing multiple organ failure, which is not an immediate death. If she were to have died from something so prosaic, she could very well have been a stumbling-around drunk for several hours after last ingesting any alcohol, and talking while doing it. Or at least mumbling.

"You must be one of those people that think girls who pass out from drinking are 'fair game' and they must have wanted a few strangers to fuck them while they were passed out, otherwise they would have been more responsible with their drinking."

You must be one of those people who thinks that because others point out the f a c t that most of the world does not operate on US sensitivities or US sensibilities that I'm an advocate for whatever insensitive, insensible activity is being discussed.

You apology is graciously accepted.

The fact of the matter is, 'X', most of the world does not operate with our sensitive sensibilities and no amount of shooting the messenger is going to change that. What is a crime to us may be a day at the beach [pun acknowledged] for them. Not everyone is an American, y'know. Not all countries follow US law, either.

"no wonder you think Joran and the Kalpoes are innocent, nice guys who didn't do anything wrong."

You apology for these presumptions about me will also be accepted.

I've never hinted that anyone screwing a drunken bimbo on a beach is a "nice guy" or didn't do many wrong things. I have only said that presuming they are murderers because it is convenient to the emotional sentiments of a mother who doesn't want to think her daughter might actually have done what she did is a huge leap into conspiracies.

[xxx]

those situations are not ruled out , but if all of them did RAPE Natalee at the same time and place , the police car conversation is inconsistent with that. dont u think ?
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No, I found the comment, paraphrasing 'if they find the girl they will find that sh*t' to actually be pretty incriminating, because it could be seen that that sh*t is DNA from all three guys...

I can't think of anythinh that sh*t could be that would be good or why they would say such a thing if they didn't all know that there was something that happened to Natalee that if she were to be found would come out.

[mylena]

No, I found the comment, paraphrasing 'if they find the girl they will find that sh*t' to actually be pretty incriminating, because it could be seen that that sh*t is DNA from all three guys...

I can't think of anythinh that sh*t could be that would be good or why they would say such a thing if they didn't all know that there was something that happened to Natalee that if she were to be found would come out.

Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:37 PM

how can you conclude that the shit is DNA from "all three guys" . It was something that Joran said to Deepak and I thought he implied that he suspected Deepak of doing something bad to Natalee (possiby as a result of ALE 's brainwashing for confessions etc) and that Deepak would be in deep shit if Natalee is found. Deepak said , " I want them to find the girl . " If Joran knew positively that Deepak did something bad to Natalee Deepak probably wouldnt have said that. I dont think the K2 even touched Natalee that night.

[xxx]

You must be one of those people who thinks that because others point out the f a c t that most of the world does not operate on US sensitivities or US sensibilities that I'm an advocate for whatever insensitive, insensible activity is being discussed.
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As far as I know it is considered rape to have sex with someone who is unconscious or incapacitated from alcohol in the United States, Canada, England, Ireland, Japan, Aruba, Australia, New Zealand, Holland...

So, it certainly looks like a good portion of the non-American world also considers sex with someone who is passed out or passing out to be a crime.

I await your apology.

[Duh]

Interesting comments I saw on the net. yes this pathenry & sensible people are quite ignorant! Another one I noticed is the one called gagal_05. Dumb and dumber. Lol.
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RWV'S PATHENRY TAKES THE CAKE WITH THIS COMMENT!! HEY DAN, MAYBE YOU SHOULD START READING ALTTLE MORE AND GIVE VIVI THE DAY OFF!!!
The day they start locking up guys for screwing drunk girls will be a sad day for America.
Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 24, 2006 at 05:11 PM

Being drunk does not mean one can't give consent
Posted by: sensible1 Monday, April 24, 2006 at 06:55 PM

You articulated that much better than I did. :>)Posted by: pathenry Monday, April 24, 2006 at 06:56 PM
LOL - probably lots of regrets the next morning!
Posted by: sensible1 Monday, April 24, 2006 at 07:04 PM

HAVE THEY LOST THEIR MINDS???
After reading these statements posted on RWV, it took me a couple minutes to catch my breath. Are they really saying that someone who is intoxicated is able to make a decision that could change the rest of their lives? i.e.--STD, pregnancy
They should have just added "just because your drunk doesn't mean you shouldn't drive a car" because that's right up there on the list of careless misinformation that they seem to be giving. And they say WE'RE "Stuck on Stupid!" What a joke!
Ask any teenage boy that's been through Sex Ed what constitutes "consensual sex". They will HOPEFULLY tell you, if they paid attention, that they could be one step from a rape accusation just because the girl doesn't say "yes". Add some alcohol or drugs to that scenario, rendering the other party unable to communicate and BOOM, you've got yourself into a situation that could lead to a rape charge. It's not just about saying NO, you have to have the word YES. BUT, IF YOUR DEALING WITH ALCOHOL AND/OR DRUGS-----THE "YES" DOES NOT COUNT!!!!!!!
Read the following info taken from a rape counseling/studies site:

http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/Women_Studies/Project_SURVIVE/4_01.html
(11/20/01) Would you always have to say "no" to sex for it to be considered rape?
No. You don't always have to say "no" to sex for it to be considered rape. The law says that it is rape if you either do not give consent or are not able to give consent. The following are incidences in which a victim would not be able to give consent:
-the person gives consent but is underage (in California the age of consent is 18)=statutory rape (Note that if one or both people are under the age of 18 and there is less than 3 years age difference between them, the charge would be a misdemeanor, not a felony.)
-the victim is under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol and so cannot give consent
-the victim fears for her/his life or the life of someone they care about and so submits to the attack

You want to talk about "sad days in America", Pathenry?? A sad day for America is when people like you post hateful, vicious comments on a blog that REFUSES to do anything about it!!! Why Dan continues to let you spew hate all over his blog is mind boggling! And you can tell your little friend sensible1 that there would be more than just "regrets" the next morning---there would be handcuffs and a jail cell. STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES WITH STUPID COMMENTS! YOUR IGNORANCE AND LOW IQ'S ARE SHINING RIGHT THROUGH!
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES AND SHAME ON DAN IF HE LET'S THIS GO!!!!!!!

[rwilymz]

"I do not believe that consensual group sex is a very plausible theory, in fact I think it is disrespectful and VISCIOUS for people to come on an anonymous board and say that Natalee was a drunk floozy who got screwed on the beach by three strangers."

Beth Twitty also claimed that her daughter didn't drink, yet there she was, drunk, and according to some of the people she went down there with.

You may not know this, 'X', leading the sheltered life you've obviously led, but people who drink -- particularly inexperienced drinkers -- tend to do many things they would never dream of doing when not drinking.

Including consenting to group sex.

In places not nearly so romantic as the moonlit beaches of Aruba.

Being the messenger as I am, I shall don my bulls-eye t-shirt for you to presumptively dismiss me yet again ...

[mylena]

No matter how hard people have tried connecting the dots , the Skeeters tape , the police car conversation , and Joran's several interviews far from anything incriminating coming out of those things its get clearer to me after each such rabbit is pulled out of the hat that there was quite possibly NO INTERCOURSE , NO RAPE and NO CRIME on Natalee that the three suspects were involved in . Those who believe thats not true have only one basis to argue on , their lies and nothing else of substance to support their opinion.

[TJ]

A few weeks ago the talk on the tele was about a video of a natalee "look a like" in the holiday inn lobby at about 3 ish am. Did this video ever show up online anywhere or in the news?

[xxx]

You may not know this, 'X', leading the sheltered life you've obviously led, but people who drink -- particularly inexperienced drinkers -- tend to do many things they would never dream of doing when not drinking.

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I've led the farthest thing from a sheltered life, in fact I am quite sure I did things at 18 that Natalee Holloway never dreamed of, which is why I am quite certain that she did not consent to group sex with those three guys on a dark, deserted beach, not having had even a steady boyfriend for 3 years, according to her friends.

25% of 18 year olds are still VIRGINS, but I am supposed to believe that not only was Natalee not a virgin, but she was so wild that she not only wanted to have a vacation fling with some cute guy in Aruba [totally normal], but she wanted to have group sex, 3-1, with 3 virtual strangers who she had known for THIRTY MINUTES and then, coincidentally after this consensual sex orgy she happens to disappear.

No. Sorry.

Group sex is mostly a male fantasy, it is not common outside of Playboy and Internet porn.

In fact, it is more likely that god took her straight up to heaven than that she consented to group sex with these guys.

Beth Twitty has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. Obviosly Beth did not know her daughter as well as she thought she did, or Natalee was acting out of chracter during this trip.

None of that adds up to group sex with 3 strangers.

Approximately 11% of college age women have had a lesbian experience, I would say that far, far fewere college age women have had group sex experiences with three men.

Therefore, you would have to put Natalee in top most wild percentage there is, all of which is CONTRARY TO WHAT HER FRIENDS said about her...or do you want me to believe her first sexual experience was a gang bang with a bunch of strangers?????????/

Where are these other prior boyfriends? Where is this previous wild behavior? All the hate sites could come up wtih was ONE PHOTO OF HER WITH A DRINK IN HER HAND...and from this you extraopolate that she was a drunk, gang banging floozy.

Sorry, you are disgusting. If you want to discuss the merits of the case and the reasoning or lack thereof for suspecting the amigos of harming natalee that is one thing, but what you are doing is wrong and immoral and of course, based on much less evidence than there is against the suspects.

But I believe you come from the...getting in a car with boys=consent to sex mindset.

[kaycee77025]

No matter how hard people have tried connecting the dots , the Skeeters tape , the police car conversation , and Joran's several interviews far from anything incriminating coming out of those things its get clearer to me after each such rabbit is pulled out of the hat that there was quite possibly NO INTERCOURSE , NO RAPE and NO CRIME on Natalee that the three suspects were involved in . Those who believe thats not true have only one basis to argue on , their lies and nothing else of substance to support their opinion.
Posted by: mylena | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:49 PM
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For so many here opinion is fact.

[xxx]

Kaycee,

Since you don't even know the definition of opinion vs. fact...there isn't really anything you can say that has any merit.

You can't have an opinion, since it is bearing false witness, and there aren't many facts, so I suggest you go read your bible somewhere and keep your mouth shut, lest you express an opinion yourself and get punished for sinning.

[jh]

've led the farthest thing from a sheltered life, in fact I am quite sure I did things at 18 that Natalee Holloway never dreamed of, which is why I am quite certain that she did not consent to group sex with those three guys on a dark, deserted beach, not having had even a steady boyfriend for 3 years, according to her friends.
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I believe you are far removed from that age, then. I'm not an attractive guy, but even I was invited to group sex parties at peoples houses when their parents were "out of town." It's far more common than you might think.

I simply point you to this: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/chainspix.htm

Researchers map the entire sexual relationships of an ohio high school. In that example, many cases are .. shall we say.. not solo endeavors.

[kaycee77025]

Kaycee,
Since you don't even know the definition of opinion vs. fact...there isn't really anything you can say that has any merit.
You can't have an opinion, since it is bearing false witness, and there aren't many facts, so I suggest you go read your bible somewhere and keep your mouth shut, lest you express an opinion yourself and get punished for sinning.
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I think I know the difference between an opinion and an accussation. My opinion is simple, there is no evidence of a crime.

xxx, I guess I expected too much of you.

[DA MAN]

XXX, just don't dignify people with hate in their hearts with your intelligent responses.if you look at most sites that spew hate, they are basically talking to themselves and pointing out what they call facts for themselves. you know what the majority opinion is, no matter how they try to package their hate and sell it. it would be better for you to go somewhere that actually tries to pinpoint certain things in order to help solve the case. that's where your responses would be better served. imo. your too good of a person for this.

[kaycee77025]

XXX, just don't dignify people with hate in their hearts with your intelligent responses.if you look at most sites that spew hate, they are basically talking to themselves and pointing out what they call facts for themselves. you know what the majority opinion is, no matter how they try to package their hate and sell it. it would be better for you to go somewhere that actually tries to pinpoint certain things in order to help solve the case. that's where your responses would be better served. imo. your too good of a person for this.
Posted by: DA MAN | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 01:04 PM
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There is a hate group here? Who do they hate? How do you join? Is there an initiation? Do you have to write an essay, "why I hate"?

[xxx]

The chart shows NOTHING at all about group sex only MULTIPLE parners.

But whatever, I guess the haters are very, very disappointed with Joe T's filing yesterday.

They must have been expecting all that bombshell information about Natalee...her drug use, her other flings with guys on Aruba, her drinking and drugging in Mountain Brook, her known promiscuity....

And all they got was Joe saying he wasn't going to attack her character and Joe's own affidavit citing saying that Natalee was their MOST NAIVE friend when it came to boys.

And what do you know....all the freaks come out of the woodwork to go back to the storyline of Natalee Holloway the sex fiend who left C&C with three studs to go whoring around and get screwed on the beach.

Yeah, that sounds right, she talked to Joran for 30 minutes, K2 not at all and decided, hey, I think I will leave with these three guys, two of whome are extremely unattractive and I will go fuck all three guys on a dark, dirty beach, because I just that kind of a crazy, wild, drunk slut...and that is just what she did....she eagerly fucked all three of those nice young men and then, just disappeared, what a shame that dumb drunk slut got herself disappeared after fucking those nice innocent boys, otherwise she could have come back and said what a great time she had having a gang bang wtih three strangers and they all satisfied her immensely...in fact, maybe after Natalee fucked these three guys she was still so sexed up and slutted up that she went in search of other strangers to fuck.

That must be it....she is actually alive somewhere today getting fucked right this very minute she is such a slut and a whore that she couldn't even be bothered to let anyone know where she is and how much find she's having.

Enjoy, I truly hope that all of you who have denigrated and degraded Natalee deal with a similar situation in your own lives, where you or your loved ones are talked about, gossiped about and a bunch of strangers are convined that you or your loved one is a promiscuious, drunken, drugged up slut who got what he or she deserved.

[DA MAN]

There is a hate group here? Who do they hate? How do you join? Is there an initiation? Do you have to write an essay, "why I hate"?

Posted by: kaycee77025 | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 01:10 PM

IGNORE BUTTON PRESSED.

[mylena]

xxx ,
you must be hallucinating imagining all that all by yourself.

[jh]

xxx,

The chart isn't the full report. The full report goes into further details and is available in the OSU library. You can order it through interlibrary loan at most accredited colleges. Also, one thing to note about that chart is it only covers sexual encounters over a six month period of time. The report details a bit more. My point is that you are very disconnected from reality on this. The teenage thing is "sex." At least, for the most part, they're being safe.

[xxx]

JH,

It was mostly oral sex anyway...and perhaps I am wrong but weren't all of these people CLASSMATES? FRIENDS??? Not people who had known each other for a half an hour?

But I am done with this blog, if Dan doesn't ban me after my last post then it just goes to show that you can really say anything at all about Natalee and get away with it.

I give up. Natalee Holloway left the bar to fuck Joran, Deepak and Satish and after she fucked all three she went in search of more, rougher sex and got what she was looking for.

[kaycee77025]

I give up. Natalee Holloway left the bar to fuck Joran, Deepak and Satish and after she fucked all three she went in search of more, rougher sex and got what she was looking for.
Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 01:17 PM
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You shouldn't say that. There are enough creeps that do.

[DennisAOK]

xxx,

If you feel like it, send me note. I'd like to be able to send you info. BTW, I live in the Washington, DC area.

[rwilymz]

"I've led the farthest thing from a sheltered life, in fact I am quite sure I did things at 18 that Natalee Holloway never dreamed of, which is why I am quite certain that she did not consent to group sex with those three guys on a dark, deserted beach, not having had even a steady boyfriend for 3 years, according to her friends."

In other words, "because you, she." are you channeling Natalee now?

"25% of 18 year olds are still VIRGINS, but I am supposed to believe that not only was Natalee not a virgin, but she was so wild that she not only wanted to have a vacation fling with some cute guy in Aruba [totally normal], but she wanted to have group sex, 3-1, with 3 virtual strangers who she had known for THIRTY MINUTES and then, coincidentally after this consensual sex orgy she happens to disappear."

You are seriously deranged, you know that. You are so desperate to rationalize that she was murdered that you're bending over backwards to introduce all manner of idiotic logic. How many pretzels can you bend yourself into in one day?

I never said Natalee was wild; I said she was drunk -- which she was.

I didn't say or even imply that she would normally have sex with strangers, or multiple strangers; I said that inexperienced drinkers do many things they wouldn't otherwise.

"No. Sorry. "

That's how I would characterize your protestations, yes.

"Group sex is mostly a male fantasy, it is not common outside of Playboy and Internet porn."

Actually, it would be Penthouse Forum, but, hey, you're the experienced guy, not me.

Common or not, it can be found, and add alcohol, you can even persuade it to be found where it otherwise wouldn't be.

"Beth Twitty has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS."

She's the one leading the chorus of catcalls to denounce Aruba for not being the 52nd US state and thus obliged to follow US laws. She's got, in fact, almost everything to do with it.

"None of that adds up to group sex with 3 strangers."

Even less of it adds up to murder.

"Approximately 11% of college age women have had a lesbian experience, I would say that far, far fewere college age women have had group sex experiences with three men."

a] it is misleading to call it a "lesbian" experience, but I've read that it was 11% of all women under the age of 40, and 18-25 y.os it was closer to 20%.
2] in any event, you're right. But so what? that is all generalized data and not pertinent.

"Therefore, you would have to put Natalee in top most wild percentage there is,"

I've never said she was "wild" Mr Equivocator, that was you putting words in my mouth. I said she was drunk and that inexperienced drinkers do all kinds of things they otherwise wouldn't.

"all of which is CONTRARY TO WHAT HER FRIENDS said about her...or do you want me to believe her first sexual experience was a gang bang with a bunch of strangers?????????"

My my my. So many punctuation marks. How do you know it was her first sexual experience?

"Where are these other prior boyfriends? Where is this previous wild behavior? All the hate sites could come up wtih was ONE PHOTO OF HER WITH A DRINK IN HER HAND...and from this you extraopolate that she was a drunk, gang banging floozy."

I didn't have to extrapolate that she was drunk; all the statements about her on that night did that for me.

She was reported to have left the bar with the three guys in question [and for the record, these are three not-nice guys who did many immoral and wrong things, so you can unwad your panties about that], and she left voluntarily. What I recall reading last summer on the Foxnews "all Natalee all the time" website was that the intended purpose was for sex on the beach. I presumed it was all of them. It might not have been. I don't see as it matters, actually.

She was drunk and left to have sex. Whether she would normally have done this is impertinent as **SHE WAS DRUNK**. She was also 18 and not a seasoned drinker. ...Mr "experienced".

"Sorry, you are disgusting."

Again, I think you are as well. This is either a Mexican standoff where you try to outpunctuate me, or you do something besides issue endless equivocative denunciations.

"If you want to discuss the merits of the case"

At this point, there are few merits, actually. You've got a missing girl. Yes. Sad. She's missing in a foreign country, even sadder, because most foreign countries do not have the resources or capacity to conduct the forensic investigations that we can here.

It would be best for all concerned to allow Aruba to do whatever its own laws require it to do, and if that isn't up to Beth Twitty's standards, well, then she can just pout. I feel bad for her, since I'm a parent of children that age, and coming up to that age, but frankly, she's being selfish and arrogant.

"but what you are doing is wrong and immoral and of course, based on much less evidence than there is against the suspects."

ANd what am I doing? The emperor has no clothes, 'X', and neither did Natalee for at least part of the time. I'm not going to apologize for you thinking it's immoral for me to say that.

"But I believe you come from the...getting in a car with boys=consent to sex mindset."

And I believe you come from the "if you don't think like I do I'm entitled to invent all manner of accusations against you" mindset.

Again, a standoff.

[TYLER]

The sole purpose of Joe T 's filing yesterday was to propose that NY has no interest in this case and a non convenient forum for the defendants and some key witnesses. He included only those FBI statements which were from students who had last seen Natalee atleast an hour or so before she left CnC. The purpose of those exhibits was neither to denigrate nor glorify Natalee's character. So those statements are one of the least relevant ones in the investigation since there is no account of Natalee's late night activity in any of those , precisely why Joe T included them in his filing.

[xxx]

You shouldn't say that. There are enough creeps that do.
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You should be happy....I've changed my mind.

Natalee Holloway was a drunk, slut floozy who left C&C to have a gang bang with the three suspects, she was the sexual aggressor who knew exactly what she wanted and after they all had sex with her, they left her totally alive and fine...what they were REALLY embarrassed about was that they actually agreed to have sex with such a drunk, slut/whore as Natalee clearly was by the way she was acting and dancing, they should have never even let a slut like her into their car, let alone given her what she was asking for and demanding the whole time, I mean, what was I thinking all this time, any FOOL can see she got in the car with them for a gang bang....

Natalee got what she deserved whatever happened to her was her fault for drinking, dancing, flirting and being a gang banging slut who was more than eager to have group sex with three strangers.

I don't know how I could have missed this, it has been staring me in the face all the time.

[xxx]

She was drunk and left to have sex.
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You've convinced me. I stand corrected.

She was a drunk slut who left the bar for a gang bang.

The boys were just embarrassed they picked up such a skanky ho as Natalee Holloway and didn't want their friends and family to know they would associate with a whore like her.

She got what she deserved, whatever it was.

Who cares anyway, she was just a drunk slut looking for a 4-way with 3 strangers, no big loss...probably would have flunked out of college anway.

[mylena]

xxx ,
whats your point ?

[rwilymz]

"I don't know how I could have missed this, it has been staring me in the face all the time."

You know what's staring me in the face? You are another in a lo-o-o-ong line of people to whom there is only black and white. If it's not black, it must be white. Heaven forbid anyone suggests gray. Double-damn those who suggest, say, pink, or green, or puce, or magenta.

And curse to hell those who say plaid, splotchy, polka-dotted or cubist art.

People are desperate to find a crime here, because "nice girls with a straight-A average" simply do not go to foreign countries for a High School graduation fling, get drunk in nations to whom 18 is damn-near middle age, and then do stupid things because they're drunk ... and then once in a while disappear after doing stupid things.

And the short answer to that is "yes they do".

At the time Holloway disappeared there were almost 3 dozen such cases of American "kids" missing in foreign countries in just the previous 12 months. It. Happens. All. The. Time.

And no crime is needed.

[kaycee77025]

xxx, I've never said that. I don't think it is true. I just disagree about the evidence.

[DA MAN]

xxx ,
whats your point ?

Posted by: mylena | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 01:41 PM

i believe her point is to show how utterly stupid and ridiculous it sounds.

[DA MAN]

i disagree about the evidence also. i feel the evidence was destroyed and therefore no evidence.