Dompig - My Son Misled ALE

Lawd, what a circus.

BIRMINGHAM, Ala., April 25 (UPI) -- The former leader of Aruba's investigation of the disappearance of Alabamian Natalee Holloway says his son falsely accused a man who was released Monday.

Gerold Dompig said accusations of his son, Michael, against Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, were part of a dispute among acquaintances that escalated out of control.

"He's a kid; he got confused and frustrated and he said things he shouldn't have said," Dompig told the Birmingham (Ala.) News. "It went too far."

Dompig said his son -- angered by media accusations -- responded with talk he had heard about van Cromvoirt.

"One started talking about the other and the other talked back and it becomes something worse than a soap (opera)," Dompig said.

Dompig said he apologized to van Cromvoirt's family and requested reassignment earlier this month since talk about Holloway's nearly year-old disappearance adversely affected his family.

Holloway's mother said she believes the three original suspects are at fault in Holloway's disappearance.

Comments

[abigail]

Oh, loverly.

[Duh]

Trixie Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:43 pm of~refugeesunleashed~

Did SandraK go to RWV???

Boy these folks are idiots. What do you post under here at RWV Sandra k?? lmao.
You people sure get around. So many nics so little time.
Rotf..

More of the garbage in garbage out over at refugees. They talk about RWV quite a bit !

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Will BETTY get BUSTED today?
Did JUG get JILTED?
DAVE's DILEMMA .. Book Sales OR Natalee?
Did ROBIN RUN yet?

Stay tuned ..

SMO2, Sandra, Glenda where are you?
The coffee's ready!

Stay tuned, to As The Stomach Turns.

YEP!

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[Stefani]

Holloway's mother said she believes the three original suspects are at fault in Holloway's disappearance.

I and many others agree with her. Get the show on the road and get some justice !

[Stefani]

Don't u KNOW by now, it is not "REFUGEES."
That site is commonly called, REFUSE, just like their posts, ALL trash !

[RstJ]

Beautiful. The Police Commissioner's son. Yeah, no conflict of interest there.

RstJ

[murph]

This is just a game for all of the players of Aruba. There plan is to keep this up until it goes away and then say we did everything to solve the case. They are going through the motions with no intentions of solving this case. I guess if you are arrested you just do not talk or just lie about everything and they give up!! This is exactly what paulus told joran to do,say nothing or just lie,lie,lie!!!!

[ChinbeardXIV]

I and many others agree with her. Get the show on the road and get some justice !

Posted by: Stefani | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 12:04 AM

I want justice for one dozen Pinnacle Gold golf balls, too, then! I bought them last summer and now they are MISSING...same as Natalee Holloway. They could be dead, but there's nothing to suggest that. They're simply MISSING!!!

[wreck]

Nice analogy, chin. Go away.

[RstJ]

Hah, you laugh, but when they dig her remains out of the big sand trap on 6, then you'll remember those golf balls. VCB security had the Tierra del Sol golf resort too, don't forget. And somehow I don't see the resort allowing a lot of searching, volunteer or otherwise.

RstJ

[Dontmatter]

This entire case makes me SICK!! It has made me sick from the beginning. The death threats. I am sure they are true. The lies. The more lies. And the more Lies. Trust me it is all true. I have been going to the island for years....what makes me SICK... is the lack of RESPONSIBILITY. Now we are going back to Square one...?? Nat ran away? Give me a break!! What happened to the statement SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED? What Happened to J2K stating "Don't get other people involved in "OUR PROBLEM"?

Just what problem is this boys? Time for a RE-Interrogation. America Needs to DEMAND THIS!!!! PETITION THIS!!!

[jh]

This entire case makes me SICK!! It has made me sick from the beginning. The death threats. I am sure they are true. The lies. The more lies. And the more Lies. Trust me it is all true. I have been going to the island for years....what makes me SICK... is the lack of RESPONSIBILITY. Now we are going back to Square one...?? Nat ran away? Give me a break!! What happened to the statement SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED? What Happened to J2K stating "Don't get other people involved in "OUR PROBLEM"?
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Truthfully? Dompig happened. Dompig. He's the one who said these boys said those things. And you still trust him, despite all his lies?

There's no telling what to believe in this anymore.

[Dontmatter]

The J2K stated Dont get other people involved in "OUR
PROBLEM" . Please look at the transcript of conversation.
Again I ask? What was there PROBLEM? Time for a RE-INTERROGATION!!

[jh]

Transcript? You mean the one leaked by the very trustworthy sources?

Gimme a break. Why are you trusting some things said but not trusting others.. especially by people who've known to lie.. both J2K and Dompig are liars, and so are ALE.

[kaycee77025]

The J2K stated Dont get other people involved in "OUR
PROBLEM" . Please look at the transcript of conversation.
Again I ask? What was there PROBLEM? Time for a RE-INTERROGATION!!
Posted by: Dontmatter | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 10:00 AM
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It appears that statement has already been before the courts. We are just seeing it now. It is NOT new and has already been taken into consideration.

[Lisa]

I think Daddy Dompig is the liar. Michael spilled some secrets that they don't want to be investigated.

[Stefani]

I think Daddy Dompig is the liar. Michael spilled some secrets that they don't want to be investigated.

Posted by: Lisa | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 10:23 AM

EXACTLY ! BINGO ! RIGHT ON !!!!!!!!!!!

[xxx]

How can anyone look at this mess, with the lead investigator admitting his own son lied and obstructed the investigation and think this case has a snowball's chance in hell of EVER being solved?

Dan Abrams said it best 'looks like a big mess'

The top cop in Aruba's own son appears not to care about the truth, to think its okay to insert himself into an investigation and tell a bunch of lies.

Yeah, okay, let's run this guy for PM.

[goodgirl.]

I personal think that due to the ongoing lies and misguidence by everyone in aruba is what makes beth want a case to happen in ny.
if it happens in ny and they lie they actualy go to jail not just have there name in the paper and a dad on the phone saying well it went too far.
her case might of or should have been filed in aruba but why take another case down there for the circus act again.

[xxx]

I agree, but the problem with that is that its very shaky legal ground...something bad might happen to me in China or Zaire or Serbia and I would have a much better shot at justice in the US...but that doesn't mean I get to move my case to where "I" think the system is fair....

I am pretty doubtful that the civil suit is going to move forward, though I thought Tacopina's filing was pretty lame, since it seemed to, again, be playing to his own audience and spent A LOT of time on why Beth shouldn't be afraid to go to Aruba, etc. etc. though I understand this filing is not about the merits of the case but the jurisdiction.

[rwilymz]

I prefer to shave with Occam's razor.

It's true that sometimes three guys will find a nice, nubile [and drunken] foreign floozy to screw on the beach so they can kill her, but ... honestly ... not all that often.

Most often they will find the drunken foreign floozy, screw her on the beach and then trotting off home and laugh at the drunken foreign floozy who let three strangers screw her on the beach.

Drunken people have a tendency to pass out, and if you're on the beach with the tide coming in and you're passed out ... can you say "shark food"?

This is Aruba and not an upper-midwest frat party; warm tropical breezes and cheap rum replace rohypnol quite nicely. No need for any conspiracy theories. Drunken foreign floozies abound in the tropics. None tonight? wait until the next cruise ship docks, and then visit Senor Frogs.

But even though drunken foreign floozies don their panties often enough, it's not something that the locals really want to admit to participating in ... so, "no, we didn't know her."

When told they were seen together ... "oh, HER... sure, we knew *her*... why?"

No conspiracy theories needed. Just the politics of sex and social propriety.

Most likely result: she was swept out to sea either after having passed out on the beach, or after having gone into the surf to clean herself off from vomit, the juices of sexual activity, sand fleas or all the above.

I personally think Aruba has bent over backwards to accomodate selfish and demanding Americans who insist on having someone to blame for every mishap and inconvenience they encounter.

[xxx]

The only problem is that in Aruba that tide isn't going to take the "floozy' out to sea unless she's already 100 yards off shore.

Otherwise your victim bashing theory would be just great,

[rwilymz]

Only problem with your blinder-wearing story is that you assume there's victim.

...of something other than self-indulgent foolishness.

[jh]

Two points regarding the case in NYC.

1) It's likely to get thrown out for three reasons.
a) The crime did not occur in the jurisdiction of NYC
b) The court does not have adequate jurisdiction over where the crime did happen
c) Natalee was an adult and so her parents do not have grounds to file suit for her.
2) Even if it doesn't get thrown out, it is a civil trial, and thus the best that can happen is that a monetary judgement gets entered against Joran and his family. At the very least, the result of THAT means that a Netherlands court has to enforce the judgement. It likely won't since there are extrajudicial questions regarding it.

In short, NO ONE is going to jail as a result of the NYC lawsuit.

[Marvin]

It is amazing that those who come here to post how sick they are of hearing about this case and Natalee, yet find it neccesary to come here and post?

Are they Oxymoron’s or just morons?

[xxx]

MY post simply stated that from a factual basis, the idea of Natalee passing out on the beach by the Marriott and being carried out to sea was not realistic or plausible based on the current in Aruba. There is nothing fanciful about it.

As much as some people want there to be NO victim, the idea that she drank or drugged herself to death and then vanished into thin air as a result of some natural phenomenon is NOT PLAUSIBLE by Occan's razor or any other theory of simplicity.

People who overdose and die of alcohol poisoning are generally found in the location where they passed out.

People who overdose and die of alcohol poisoning on a beach where the current brings you back to shore, never mind there aren't even any waves crashing on that beach that would take anything off the beach anyway, but logistically speaking of Natalee had died on that beach that is exactly where she would have been found.

I am sorry that your convenient theory of no bad guys and no victim isn't plausible but, that's about the size of it.

[xxx]

PS

Here is how Occam's Razor would really work:

4 people leave a bar together.

1 disappears, 3 come back.

When first asked about the missing person the 3 first attempt to deny knowledge of the 1 and then tell several elaborate false stories.

Answer: the 3 know what happened to the missing 1.

Very, very simple.

Does not require changes in the laws of nature, the odds of plausibility or anything else.

[kaycee77025]

I am sorry that your convenient theory of no bad guys and no victim isn't plausible but, that's about the size of it.
Posted by: xxx | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 10:59 AM
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There is no evidence of a crime, as much as some people want to generate some.

Until there is evidence ....

[rwilymz]

The current in Aruba which scuba and snorkel outfits say exists and can carry swimmers long distances from their intended dive locations?

Or were you talking the current in the Marriott swimming pool?

Even less than a hundred yards offshore, inside the surf zone, there are baracuda.

Occam's razor is still alive and well, thank you, and shaving just a tad too much off the intricate [and intricater] conspiracy theories that are necessary to accomodate what's known.

[jh]

xxx,

True, but Occam's Razor requires other scenarios too. It's JUST as likely that the three she left with could have harmed her as it is that someone else could have harmed her.

Plus, Occam's is overused and never really applied with the logic that Willem of Ockham had intended.

[rwilymz]

"Answer: the 3 know what happened to the missing 1.
Very, very simple."

Bingo: and what happened to the 1: the 3 left her, freshly screwed, on the white sandy beaches of Aruba, beneath a beautiful moon and being caressed by warm tropical breezes, ... groaning and sweating under the influence of too much alcohol.

[kaycee77025]

Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. Originally a tenet of the reductionist philosophy of nominalism, it is more often taken today as a heuristic maxim that advises economy, parsimony, or simplicity in scientific theories.

Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as:

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,

which translates to:

entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.

Furthermore, when multiple competing theories have equal predictive powers, the principle recommends selecting those that introduce the fewest assumptions and postulate the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.
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[xxx]

You are disgusting.

Done now.

[Truthinplainsite]

Good Morning All -

Chin - I found your golfballs...Natalee is still missing. It was easy finding the golfballs, I went by the information provided by the last known person to be with them and where he took them :-)

Maybe we should start over and try again with NH...who was the last known person to be with her?

TIPS

[kaycee77025]

xxx,

True, but Occam's Razor requires other scenarios too. It's JUST as likely that the three she left with could have harmed her as it is that someone else could have harmed her.

Plus, Occam's is overused and never really applied with the logic that Willem of Ockham had intended.

Posted by: jh | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:15 AM
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These scenarios seem to increase the number of assumptions, which seems to go against OR.

[kaycee77025]

xxx,

True, but Occam's Razor requires other scenarios too. It's JUST as likely that the three she left with could have harmed her as it is that someone else could have harmed her.

Plus, Occam's is overused and never really applied with the logic that Willem of Ockham had intended.

Posted by: jh | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:15 AM
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These scenarios seem to increase the number of assumptions, which seems to go against OR.

[DA MAN]

"Answer: the 3 know what happened to the missing 1.
Very, very simple."

Bingo: and what happened to the 1: the 3 left her, freshly screwed, on the white sandy beaches of Aruba, beneath a beautiful moon and being caressed by warm tropical breezes, ... groaning and sweating under the influence of too much alcohol.

Posted by: rwilymz | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:16 AM

yo, d!@k, rotten.com is the other way, a-hole.

[rwilymz]

"You are disgusting."

Funny. That's pretty much exactly my impression of people who want to accuse others of murder when there is no evidence of it beyond the coarsest of circumstantial and because it expedient to the sensibilities of the "blame-first" arrogant US mindset.

A woman in Alabama can't accept that her daughter, if not a drunken floozy in real life, acted the drunken floozy while on a foreign vacation, and so when she's known to have gone to a beach to screw three guys while severely "overserved", she was obviously raped and murdered instead.

"Disgusting" very accurately, if tamely, sums up my opinions of that kind of person, and those who support them.

[xxx]

I don't think it is 'just as likely' that someone else harmed her since I have to make MANY ASSUMPTIONS on the reason for the many lies and false alibis made by the last 3 seen with Natalee and I have to assume the existance of a perpetrator not in evidence.

Therefore, my read of Occam's razor says the 3 last seen with her who told many lies told lies because they are hiding the truth of what happened to Natalee.

What actually happened to Natalee is another matter, but the simplest answer to what happened to her and why the suspects lied is that they know what happened to her and whatever it was is not good or innocent.

[xxx]

A woman in Alabama can't accept that her daughter, if not a drunken floozy in real life, acted the drunken floozy while on a foreign vacation, and so when she's known to have gone to a beach to screw three guys while severely "overserved", she was obviously raped and murdered instead.
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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE SHE WENT TO THE BEACH TO SCREW THREE GUYS???????

Do you have any idea how many women of ANY AGE have had consensual sex with THREE STRANGERS??????????????????????????????????

WHERE IS ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT NATALEE HOLLOWAY LEFT WITH THE SUSPECTS TO HAVE GROUP SEX??????????????????????????????????

Oh, only in your disgusting dirty mind,

[kaycee77025]

Schroedinger's cat may apply best here, except we open the box and the cat isn't there.

[jh]

Kaycee,

OR was never meant to be applied to crime scenes or scenarios with more assumption than fact. A common phrasing of it now is:

Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred.

The problem we have with this case is that there are no scenarios at all where all other things are being equal, and we don't even know if we can trust the facts in this case. Point blank, Occam's doesn't apply to situations where the facts are assumptive entities themselves.

You can't use Occam's Razor on the Natalee Holloway case because there are far too many assumptions.

[jh]

Kaycee,

OR was never meant to be applied to crime scenes or scenarios with more assumption than fact. A common phrasing of it now is:

Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred.

The problem we have with this case is that there are no scenarios at all where all other things are being equal, and we don't even know if we can trust the facts in this case. Point blank, Occam's doesn't apply to situations where the facts are assumptive entities themselves.

You can't use Occam's Razor on the Natalee Holloway case because there are far too many assumptions.

[Truthinplainsite]

jh -

I would suggest that there are far too many Lies, not assumptions...

TIPS

[jh]

TIPS,

I'm just stating why Ockham's Razor is not applicable here. This case is devoid of too many facts to really use a logical construct to eliminate theroies. I mean now we have the lead investigator's son lying? So what do we trust of Dompig's statements regarding Joran's statements? What is true and what is false?

There is just no way to use Ockham's Razor here. None at all.

And lies are treated as false assumptions in the realm of logic.

[Marvin]

Posted by: Truthinplainsite | Wednesday, April 26, 2006 at 11:35 AM

From the title of this page, some one could easily think the national pasttime in Aruba is lying.

He MISLED (lied)?

[rwilymz]

"WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE SHE WENT TO THE BEACH TO SCREW THREE GUYS?"

The three guys who screwed her.

"Do you have any idea how many women of ANY AGE have had consensual sex with THREE STRANGERS?"

Actually, more than you think. There are resorts in "de islans mon" where you can go to do exactly that.

"WHERE IS ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT NATALEE HOLLOWAY LEFT WITH THE SUSPECTS TO HAVE GROUP SEX?"

She left with the suspects, that much is known. The three guys said she wanted to get in her last night of partying, or something along those lines.

Did they lie about knowning her? yes. Does ANY young male volunteer they they took advantage of an overserved bimbette? Not in my experience. And frankly, based upon basic risk analysis, what are the odds that the chicklet you took turns on *doesn't* sober up and find her way back to her room early in the morning, get on the airplane with a major hangover, and simply have a story to tell for years to come? Ans: extremely slim. Ergo, when someone asks, you lie.

When the bimbette turns up nowhere, oooopsy, "extremely slim" came up on the wheel, and now you need to admit that you're a punk not above taking advantage of a drunken floozy.

Suddenly they took her to the beach to screw her and that's the last thing they knew. They haven't deviated from that to any great degree since, to my knowledge.

And, also to my knowledge, Aruba is following their laws and procedures for investigation of *possible* crime properly. For Americans to demand that they have the same access to investigators and spokesmen and prosecutors and courts that they might have if it were a case in suburban Birmingham is grade-A arrogance, and for Foxnews.com and various other spontaneous affiliations to propose grand conspiracies to answer all the assumptions and claims does little other than to make America and Americans look spoiled, infantile and foolish.

[Truthinplainsite]

It must be alright to lie...you have at least two of the main three suspects having their final statements that do not match. These are not minor details...where did you go? How did you get home? What time did you get home?

The ALE has to know the answer starts with J2K and ends there...no body, no case.

Sad for HT family, but just as sad for the island of Aruba...

TIPS

[xxx]

I guess you forgot that the "three guys who screwed her" say that none of them had sex with her???

But I agree with you, the three guys did screw her, but in the real world, when you "screw" an unconscious, semi conscious over served drunk girl that is a GANG RAPE.

And that is what they have been hiding all along.

[Shelly]

It appears that there are a lot of intelligent people blogging here that might could possibly do a good service to this case if so much time wasn't wasted. Proving theories wrong (if you can do that) is good. Arguing opinions is a waste of time.

Texas05 - I believe the video and sketch you are refering to is the remake in Aruba of Natalee's last known hours and the sketch of a suspicous person in a seperate incident that was released during that remake. http://www.opsporingverzocht.nl/index.asp?ID=0

TIP - Regardless of which person we think most resembles the sketch, It would be interesting to know if Tracy Allen thinks either of them do.

Still wondering about the comment of "something bad happened". If I missed it, please catch me up.

Have any of the Arubans that "disappeared" around this time been located?

Have passports been reviewed during that time to possibly connect visitor and/or white rent car to this mystery?

This does look very much like PVS. http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/03/gottenbos-van-der-sloot-gottenbos-van.html
He seems to have a favorite shirt as well. Notice the watch tan line. Can anyone find another picture of PVS showing this tan line?

[rwilymz]

"...in the real world, when you "screw" an unconscious, semi conscious over served drunk girl that is a GANG RAPE."

Only if "the real world" == USA.

We Americans love to impose our sanctions on others in endless ways ... we pass laws saying that US businesses can't do business in nations which allow the use of DDT ... therefore, nations which rely upon US commercial ties to maintain eceonomic relevance have citizens die from malaria by the score-thousand annually just to get US $$. And the backbiters swarm: "US is racist; in order to get your precious money we must kill outselves."

Frankly, it was my impression that their first statements were, essentially, "we don't know who she is and never had sex with her" and then when they were seen leaving together [by the cabbie who was originally arrested?] they said, "oh, yeah, *her*; yeah, we took her to the beach for sex, and bo-o-o-oy was she wasted."

But ... maybe not. That's what I got out of it during the first round of Van Sustern whimpering last summer.